Multidimensional demon lords

[ktlight]

Posted by DNA (here)
I'm glad to see my post two days ago had such an impact on you Ktlight. On your thread you opened Your Mind is Controlled
I posted this,

Gnostic Parallels in the writings of Carlos Castaneda


“Human beings are on a journey of awareness, which has momentarily been interrupted by extraneous forces.” Carlos Castaneda


To the horrified astonishment of his apprentice, the elder sorcerer explains how the human mind has been infiltrated by an alien intelligence:

We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don’t do so...

Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary and egomaniacal.

According to Don Juan, the sorcerers of ancient Mexico called the predator, the flyer,

“because it leaps through the air... It is a big shadow, impenetrably black, a black shadow that jumps through the air.” Carlos Castaneda


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I'm glad it caused you to make the reptillian connection, and I appreciate the thanks you left for me,,,but,,,,if it spurred this thinking,,,why not post it in the original thread and have a dialogue about it. Unless your more concerned with starting theads than engaging in usefull dialogue.

Before I post, I check in 'advanced search' to see if I would be duplicating. I see how easy it is to presume my activities, I suppose. I get into actual dialogue only when I feel it is appropriate to. Hope you understand now.

[ktlight]

Posted by charlesfrith (here)
Thanks very much for this. I want very much to put together a presentation on the credibility of multidimensional reptilians so if anyone has more of this sort of content I'd be very interested.

We have the reptilian aspect in our brain. It's a part of the brain and resides at the back, joins up to the amygdala, which is where experience first enters and affects decisions as to what we will do about it, our immediate reactions.

[muxfolder]

Posted by Carmen (here)
I read these books years and years ago, with a faint glimmer of understanding. Now it is understandable. Thanks for this thread.

Same here. I think I need to read them again.. It was so long ago.

[Teakai]

Posted by ponda (here)
The bad guys aren't the only game in town.Help or evolution might be on its way.The sun has been emitting some new 'stuff' of late.The great game is starting to get interesting.

I agree, Ponda. What we perceive as the negative is only one small version of things. It feels to me like we're tottering on the edge of something amazing.

[Teakai]

Posted by ponda (here)
Hi fox.mulder

Yeah i agree.You rarely if ever hear any mainstream discussion about what is a sustainable population for the planet and how this could be implemented.The governments live in the perpetual illusionary world of never ending growth and high consumption levels that are impossible to sustain in the short/medium/longer terms.

I think this world is able to sustain quite a lot of humans - the thing is, though, is that people wish to keep the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed. We have a throw away society that is out of tune with nature.
It would be an immense change both physically and psycologically to change that - and governments and mainstream are what are standing in the way of doing it.

It's my take that the old system must fall and from that a new one will arise. Only we have to be awake and aware enough to make sure it's the correct system and not more of the controlling system.

And, I don't think the system that is going to arise is going to be anything close to how we picture society as being.

[Teakai]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It reduces itself back down to that part of us they can manipulate us through. The mind, particularly the ego.

Reptilian dominance and multi dimensional influence is just another part of the Matrix game. Its just played out on level that is unseen to most except for the shamanic community. But you can find physical expressions of that game, that battle, here on earth every day.

This game has been played out for such a very long time. And these sorcerers and shamans have engaged in this resistance to stop it but its not just reptilian influence they have to fight, its the people they are working for. They ignore the solution so become the problem.

For every web that a shaman can reveal the crowds lift another guru, belief, or fear onto their shoulders and parade it around further feeding the influence the shaman is attempting to prevent.

And that's the truth of it for sure.

[Teakai]

Posted by fox.mulder (here)
I dont understand the incarnating thing, however it does fit the facts particularly with the testimonies of many people who recall past lives. I dont understand that if I am smart enough in my so called non corporeal consciousness form why do i need to learn? Ickes theory of "a human experience" seems logical but I would have to be hard up for experience to live here on earth. But it could be like a game of halo where you die and respawn over and over and over.....

I would like more investigation into whether we are hijacked and if so, then more about the hijackers.

How ridiculous is it that we dont really know who we are.

Hi Fox - I guess you could loosely equate soul evolution being as of a human child going through the school system - only on a much grander scale.
And soul has the disadvantage of consciously forgetting each prior grade until it disconnects from ego (lower mind) and reconnects with it's higher self.

[Teakai]

Posted by charlesfrith (here)
Thanks very much for this. I want very much to put together a presentation on the credibility of multidimensional reptilians so if anyone has more of this sort of content I'd be very interested.

Hi Charles - have you listened to Arizona Wilder's interview with David Icke? It's in parts on you tube if you're interested.

[Teakai]

Posted by ktlight (here)

Posted by charlesfrith (here)
Thanks very much for this. I want very much to put together a presentation on the credibility of multidimensional reptilians so if anyone has more of this sort of content I'd be very interested.

We have the reptilian aspect in our brain. It's a part of the brain and resides at the back, joins up to the amygdala, which is where experience first enters and affects decisions as to what we will do about it, our immediate reactions.

Exactly - and if we are aware of it and aware that we can control it - we then have the conscious choice to decide for ourselves to remain in higher mind.

[Carmen]

Yeah, me to, Muxfolder. Probably be an entirely new book now!!

[johnf]

"The active side of infinity" has long been the most intriguing description of the human/spiritual condition I have ever heard.
There is a description in there of the difference between our natural energy which is circular, and the energy of the flyers, which darts back and forth like a pendulum.
I was once reading the book Centering, by Laurie and Tucker. I went to a coffee place to practice what they call detachment exercises. It consisted of making a visual inventory of the room I was in and the other people in the room and to periodically notice that I was also there.
I had an experience where I focussed on a problem that was bothering me at that time (addiction related) and my mind slowed, then I experienced the sensation of a voice that I had heard before, saying you are experiencing these maddening cravings because you have been invaded.
My cravings for alchohol and tobacco subsided for quite some time after that, and I think that this was the highest level of awareness, whilst retaining perceptions of my physical surroundings that I have ever experienced. I have repeated the exercise many times since and have not had any notable experiences since that one time, but I
would very much like to reproduce that state. The idea of the flyers didn't come my way till years later (the book wasn't published till six years later).
I believe that my experience of any useless and driven thoughts are from some sort of invader, and I have resisted the idea of actual physical reptilian invaders ever since I read the passage quoted in the beginning post of this thread. And whether they really exist outside of us or not isn't important something in our percieved minds moves constantly to hold us to our lowest thought processes and there are things we can do to regain control back from them.

[9eagle9]

In regards to Carlos...

The luminous coating he describes in infants is reactivated, repaired, and brought forward by a plant the Mexicans shaman's use called salvia divinorium. Shaman's Sage, or Shaman's weed. Upon smoking it, the coat becomes apparent...to anyone . This plant purifies and helps to bolster that coating. I, personally , use it for the abatement of chronic depression in people because that is how the reduction of luminious coating is expressed= in depression of some sorts, the kind that no chemical treatment will abate.

However with that statement, one enters into a moral argument with the uneducated about the use of 'drug's to assist in the reconstruction of one's luminous coating (or body). That is opinion and has nothing to do with the plant. That too is conditioning, this moral judgement about using spirit plant helpers.... so ... these are the many battles that the folks like Carlos have encountered. No from reptilian influence directly but by those influenced by their form of conditioning.

But those who educate themselves, the plant isnt a drug, one needn't get high from it to benefit from it, but 'they' conditioned us with the falllacy that 'drug's' are bad when this plant is actually, among others, their worst enemy.

[Teakai]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
In regards to Carlos...

The luminous coating he describes in infants is reactivated, repaired, and brought forward by a plant the Mexicans shaman's use called salvia divinorium. Shaman's Sage, or Shaman's weed. Upon smoking it, the coat becomes apparent...to anyone . This plant purifies and helps to bolster that coating. I, personally , use it for the abatement of chronic depression in people because that is how the reduction of luminious coating is expressed= in depression of some sorts, the kind that no chemical treatment will abate.

However with that statement, one enters into a moral argument with the uneducated about the use of 'drug's to assist in the reconstruction of one's luminous coating (or body). That is opinion and has nothing to do with the plant. That too is conditioning, this moral judgement about using spirit plant helpers.... so ... these are the many battles that the folks like Carlos have encountered. No from reptilian influence directly but by those influenced by their form of conditioning.

But those who educate themselves, the plant isnt a drug, one needn't get high from it to benefit from it, but 'they' conditioned us with the falllacy that 'drug's' are bad when this plant is actually, among others, their worst enemy.

Which is of course illegal here in Australia.

You can bet your bottom dollar if a natural substance is illegal - it's good for you somehow or other. Or your taking it will do the system out of dollars.

[ulli]

All these stories are based on myth.
Ideas are the building blocks of 3 D reality...
Then each person choses the myth that suits them best, whether consciously or unconsciously.

If they chose to go down into the deception game where densities get more and more oppressive,
but still keep going, lured by lies, they'll wake up one day
and find the game has been controlled by deceptive monsters.
But still, those monsters or people or dragons or oppressors are nothing but myth....
simply projections of the collective unconscious. Soulless beings, not real.
Only soul beings are real.


The Castaneda path is already determined by it's name...the path of the warrior.
It's great for people whose personalities need to be challenged to a struggle, with great force.
These people usually have the power to break their molds.
Tests are relative to someone's capacity as the universe is set up in perfect balance.

Like, when I was young, this stuff was perfect to get me started...just the right medicine.
Later on in my life I dumped the evil monster scenario, and began seeing my challenging restrictions not as entities,
but something more abstract....like time processes needed to make wine...for my inner essence to emerge.
And it was here that the myth ended. Something real began to appear, yet had always been there...

At that point real people started to manifest on the screen of my life, people who had a lot of light and wisdom,
and who became wayshowers.
The time of synchronicities had arrived.
After that those teachers vanished, too. Dark night of the soul, like a baby that was put down by mother
and only wanted to get back into her arms, insecurity reigned. Yet mother was closeby and was waiting for the first steps...

Then one day all was up to me...no more bosses, no more competitors, no more enemies...
also no more parents, relatives. Only dependents.
The time of my mission had arrived. Service.
The only force that I still fear sometimes is nature itself.
But regular earth tremors here are helping me confront that too.
I'm sharing this to give an idea how everything is a process and the spiritual journey becomes easier with time,
as certain responsibilities are accepted.
And there is always help, exactly when needed, unexpected help...
and far more powerful than a whole army of demon lords.

[DNA]

Posted by Teakai (here)

Posted by ponda (here)
Hi Teakai

Yes exactly.

This is why the bloodlines are so important in regards to the control of the planet through the easily manipulated ruling elite etc.

Also i would imagine that the collection of our energies and the lessening of our higher abilities would be a large part of the dna manipulations.

Ta for the vid

Mmmm, I wonder what we could do if we only knew we could

There's this guy called Neil Slade who talks about clicking your amygdala forward. This is something you can do consciously - and every time you do it you are connecting to your higher brain and everytime you do that you are rewiring connections.
I think in this society we spend a lot of our time in lower (reptilian/survival/fear)brain mode - which is where and how we can be controlled by their methods - and as such higher mind is atrophying.
Perhaps if we all started madly clicking our amygdala's forward we would raise ourselves out of 'their' reach?

That reminds me - Christ consciousness is apparently located in the higher mind. I think this is what the message of the bible might be all about - only it's been personified and coded and all messed up and a lot of people are missing the real message - staying in lower mind and hoping for someone outside themsleves to save them from themselves.

Neil Slade amygdala chart: http://www.neilslade.com/chart.html

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Posted by fox.mulder (here)
Hi I find such ideas the most horrifying, but the only ones that seem to fit most of the facts. This is similar to the ideas put forward by David Icke. The fall of man was possibly more of a "hijacking" by another entity. The ridiculous conflicting beliefs of man which is associtated with "cognitive disonance" is so prevalent in our society that it begs belief. Man can be manipulated by fear/hope to believe anything.

Why people believe that procreating and new birth is such a beautiful and precious thing astonishes me. At one level you are only bringiing a new soul into a bad situation and at another level you are only creating energy food for "them". Parents really only have their own self interest at heart when it comes to procreation, that is...the icon and illusion of "family". This builds the "us and them" within our society which is a level of "divide and conquer"

The best thing anyone could do to bring some respect back to humanity is to reduce the population, and maybe someone with some actual wisdom built the georgia guide stones.

I think ideas put forward by Carlos Castenese and David Icke really need more investigating. Yes we have been hijacked.

Hi Fox. I tend to agree with you on a human perspective in regard to people possibly being seen as selfish by bringing life into this world - especially when you realise how things really are re: the way of the world and whose running it, but from a soul perspective we know what we're getting into coming here. I think this is why earth has such a high learning potential.

I disagree with the culling part, though. These people have not evolved into their human positions, they have been manipulated into them - by those who would design their version of Utopia.

Hi TeaKai

Very fascinating the clicking forward part. Have you ever done anything like this? I need to read what this person you have referenced has said in the matter.
It seems to me,,,that if it is possible to click forward,,,it may be possible to click down. Could this possibly be utilized by the PTB as some kind of psychic weopon?
Just a thought.

[TWINCANS]

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Posted by fox.mulder (here)
Hi fox.mulder

Yeah i agree.You rarely if ever hear any mainstream discussion about what is a sustainable population for the planet and how this could be implemented.The governments live in the perpetual illusionary world of never ending growth and high consumption levels that are impossible to sustain in the short/medium/longer terms.

Have to disagree that we have any right to interfere with population. IMHO our minds are too small to contemplate playing gods in this way.

In fact it would be a good thing if the people of earth remind those agencies who have population reduction as their objective that this is murder, and that those persons taking part in 'population reduction efforts' such a chemtrails and haarp will be brought to trial, whether they are 'just following orders' or masterminding.

[Teakai]

Posted by DNA (here)
Hi TeaKai

Very fascinating the clicking forward part. Have you ever done anything like this? I need to read what this person you have referenced has said in the matter.
It seems to me,,,that if it is possible to click forward,,,it may be possible to click down. Could this possibly be utilized by the PTB as some kind of psychic weopon?
Just a thought.

Hi DNA -I think they most definitely use it as our society is pretty much devised to keep us connected to that fear part of our brain. To give an example - if you are happy, or if you are doing something you enjoy, then your amygdala is in the forward postion and connected to the higher brain, but if you smell a foul smell or step barefoot in some doggy doo - your amygdala will click backwards as a reflex. If you're feeling fear or anger or any emotion that is not a postiive emotion - then your amygdala is in the lower brain connection.

So, even though we may seem to have an advanced society - we really are so afraid of losing it all or not being able to survive effectively within it. We need to make the money to merely exist in our society. Fear fear fear. Of not fitting in, of not having enough, of losing what we do have, of not living up to the Joneses, of being found wanting, of so many things. Our society for the most part functions on the level of maximum ego/lower brain identification. By design.

Just to say - I've been consciously clicking my amygdala forward ever since I read about it.

[ponda]

TWINCANS said:

Have to disagree that we have any right to interfere with population. IMHO our minds are too small to contemplate playing gods in this way.

In fact it would be a good thing if the people of earth remind those agencies who have population reduction as their objective that this is murder, and that those persons taking part in 'population reduction efforts' such a chemtrails and haarp will be brought to trial, whether they are 'just following orders' or masterminding.

I'm not talking about population reduction.

It's more about awareness of sustainability.Prevention is better than cure etc

The way things are now there is going to come a time when severe problems will occur because there are too many people on the planet.Some of the problems are already occurring.Clean water is running out,food shortages,pollution,deforestation,energy shortages,resource depletion etc

Common sense would tell us that we can't continue this way but no it's not like that.It's full steam ahead here as the rest of the world tries to live the western lifestyle.

[TWINCANS]

Sounds like Al Gore talking. I don't buy that. The planet can work with a surprising number of incarnating intelligences. It's the plunderers she has no space for.

[ponda]

Posted by TWINCANS (here)
Sounds like Al Gore talking. I don't buy that. The planet can work with a surprising number of incarnating intelligences. It's the plunderers she has no space for.

Anyone who lives the western lifestyle is a plunderer imho.There's no way we can keep on doing the same things that we are doing now.No way.