The Progenitors

[OnyxKnight]

Quite a few people asked about them, so I decided I should answer. But the answer would be in a form of a thread, as they suggested it may develop some discussion.

Now, the 'Progenitors'. A civilization as mysterious as they are old. They are known through various names from other cultures (The Precursors, the Protoculture, Mother Race, Alpha Civilization, Firstborn, etc).

Through analysis of the mythology that has been built around the story of the 'Progenitors', by various races, both old and new (in relative time terms), who were directly, indirectly or in some other way a result of their actions throughout the local corner of the universe, and through real historical records of old and new, extant, and old and new, extinct civilizations, there has been some general picture created about them. But even with this, many questions still remain open, and no alien race has the answers to. Just speculations and theories.

The 'Progenitors' are considered as the oldest civilization in probably the entire universe. They mysteriously appear 11.3 billion years ago in the center of Andromeda Galaxy and start to model star systems and mold planets out of basic matter and elements. They seem to appear instantly, in full form and shape, complete with advanced technology, and they start to seed life on various planets that they have made. They are known among other races as creating a lot of aquatic life around. This is why when we humans will explore other star systems, the majority of both living alien life forms, and extinct ones, will be of aquatic form. I know of another ancient race, who was created by them, referred to by some as Varunar (after the name of their homeworld). Probably one of the first, and successful aquatic civilizations to roam Andromeda. They have expanded their work around other galaxies, such as our Milky Way, the Triangulum galaxy, and other dwarf galaxies in between these three, that comprise the Local Group. They might have been busy quite further away than this, but the civilizations that I have had contact with thus far, with the farthest communications that they have with their friends in other, intergalactic cultures, far away, have pinpointed that the "life expansion" is centered around this radius. In other words, it starts in Andromeda, and spreads very, very fast in all directions from there.

Some remnants and tech-relics of their technological advancement are certain, dark-colored objects, with strange geometrical shapes, usually regarded as terraforming machines. Others, more commonly, feature glass-like spheres and rods. These spheres sometimes have a silver-like color. There have been other anomalies and enigmatic things found in space (anomalous and enigmatic for them even), usually most being attributed as work to these 'Progenitors'.

They are regarded also as the first humanoid form of life that has appeared in the Local Group as well. There have been drawings of some of the oldest civilizations (who are not necessarily humanoid - in fact a lot of them are not) who claim to be their creation, that feature the depiction of their creators to be humanoid in form. Although beyond that is not very well known how they looked like. Some theorize they don't even have recognizable facial features. What is evident though, is that they have "programmed" certain genetic codes in some of the life forms that they have created to change into a more humanoid form as they age as a species, or evolve. One of the explanations my contacts have given me for the insane number of humanoid cultures out there, and many of which, also look quite like humans as well.

On one of the planets that they have worked on, the biosphere there has produced a very peculiar creature, not larger than a hamster, that was the prototype for not only all the various forms of mammal life out there, but also all the humanoid, human-looking aliens. This creature first appears around a small planet in a star system that is today known as the 'Helix Nebula'. It is also referred to by some people as the "Eye of God". It was allegedly transported to a few other former star systems, like the present day 'Butterfly Nebula', 'Eye Nebula' and 'Ring Nebula'. The last of which, the Ring Nebula, is the star system where the famed "Lyran races" emerged. The star system that was once there is called by others as Amufar. And the planet as Apex. Its not fully understood what happened to the other star systems, but wherever this creature was taken to, in other planets, the star systems there soon go nova and kill all life on the planets. According to some of the history my contacts were taught involved a skirmish with an alien race from Thuban. After destroying a few of the planets in that system, they hurled up an iron-silicate asteroid in the star, and ended its life cycle rapidly. This forced the Lyran races to go to other star systems and colonize them. A period in time known to them as the "Great Exodus".

These colonies on other planets have developed cultures of their own, and even started to divide into many different groups genetically (that involved many factors: stellar radiation, and amount of exposure to it, minerals and chemicals ingested by food consumption, and planetary conditions and weather). These groups, some of them, were involved in our creation as a species as well. The last place where the lemuroid creature was seen was Mars, who today, along with Earth, is considered to be artificially created planets by these 'Progenitors'. After Mars's surface destruction the creature was brought here and genetically tinkered with by many different races, and thus creating us as a species. I will explain more of this when I will talk about Ancient History (I'm waiting for the delivery of some notes still).

Some of the oldest civilizations, among them, one who has a temporary stay in the Omicron Scorpii system, claims to have witnessed one of these silver orbs hovering around the planet Apex as a moon, before the emergence of the Lyran races there. They were not able to approach the system within ~5000 AU. Today, there is no silver sphere there, but there is one around a planet in the star system of Matar, in the Pegasus constellation. The planet there has produced 17 native intelligent civilizations, but none are humanoid though. They seem, very ... alien-like. Bizarre physical forms, and even nitrogen-phosphorus biochemistry, instead of carbon biochemistry like us. The object is referred to as the "Genesis Sphere". Its possible that at the creation of our planet, at least in very old times, as it was cooling off, the first life forms here were produced by a "Genesis Sphere" of our own, orbiting the planet like the one that orbits Jar-kara. The one in Jar-kara is still an enigma. None of the races know how it was built or what it is made of.

This might be some kind proof that they are still "active" in some way.

There are several theories as to what happened to them:

* They have gone extinct (this theory is not very supported among them, as there are no bodies found, but a lot of littering of technological remnants);

* They have traversed to another universe, completely different to ours;

* They are still alive and active, but a lot more covertly, as many civilizations start to pick up interest on them, and are becoming mature enough technologically to be able to analyze data sufficiently;

* Last, but not least, they have laid out a very crazy theory, in my last contact, that at least part of them, has reincarnated as us, and that we are the 'Progenitors';

Recently, other star systems have had these silver spheres 'pop up', like in a world named Kalonus in 14 Fornacis, and Drennea (HD 98292). I'm personally more in favor to support the theory that they are still here, doing what they do, only more secretively, in contrast with the other theories they laid out, that I do not personally support. Again, they can't approach these star systems any closer than several thousand astronomical units.

There were some people who have claimed that the 'Progenitors' are the same culture as the culture they claim as Rokat. I don't think this is correct, because the 'Progenitors' among all those who know about them, regard them as a peaceful civilization. The only war they ever fought was with the Thubans, because the Thubans tried to make themselves look like the oldest culture in the universe, by eliminating the ones who were older then them.

The reason the Thubans resorted to genetic engineering was because the 'Progenitors' with their weapons managed to genetically cripple the Thubans and they had their reproductive organs atrophy. So they started collecting other life forms and alter them genetically/biologically, and create hybrid races of them. Eventually they regained their ability to reproduce, but the philosophy behind bending biology to their own will and intent has remained with them and has become a crucial part of their philosophy.

The Thubans didn't find Apex in Lyra by accident, they followed the shiny glass-like spheres. And I believe the wars they had with the Lyrans, was because they were product, or in a way, genetic offspring, of the 'Progenitors'.

The Rokat seem similar to those who created the Thubans, that I know as Oros Nimura. They are aggressive, hostile, and arrive the same way, in full form, from another universe possibly, and also have created many forms of life, including the Thubans (Alpha Draconians).

But I have found correlation with other cases:

Alex Collier's Paa Tal - appears as almost identical material, only with a different name. Paa Tal being originally a Thuban word for this ancient race. The Andromedans call them the 'Founders'.

Arthur C. Clark's super-advanced civilization, called, interestingly enough - 'Firstborn', just like the old aquatic alien cultures refer to it. They appear in the Space Odyssey novel series. Enough similarities to suggest that he knew a great deal about life out there, before he died.

The Forerunners from Halo. I don't know who developed the stories, but they nailed it.

Its also possible that the 'Wingmakers' and the 'Progenitors' might be one and the same. I'm still researching this last one, and have not made up my mind.

If you find any other correlations with the 'Progenitors' and a reference in somebody else's contact, a TV Show/Movie, a book, or a video game, anything, let me know. I'd like to analyze the data.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
* Last, but not least, they have laid out a very crazy theory, in my last contact, that at least part of them, has reincarnated as us, and that we are the 'Progenitors';

What would happen if they found this to be true?

Could this explain why some ancient artifacts don't seem very " foreign"? As in taking a glance and understanding what they do?

Would those who have reincarnated have the ability to control these devices?

[Flash]

Oxynight, how much is information coming from ETs, how much coming from your own researchs? You do mention that you want to research new information we could provide, and then I assume that you correlate with what is told to you. Or are you using your research to ask further questions to your extra terrestrial contacts?

I am curious to know how you usually proceed. Thank you

[Hughe]

Alien Mind, by George LoBuono

[Flyswim]

Hi OxK,

Masses of info and I second Flash in asking how much research is furthered by you as opposed to directly shared?

You stated, 'Last, but not least, they have laid out a very crazy theory, in my last contact, that at least part of them, has reincarnated as us, and that we are the 'Progenitors';'

Is this what 'we' have to remember or are the reincarnated progenitors in full receipt of that memory i.e.The Elite, PTB, missing capstone stuff OR 'they' think it's the rest of us who have forgotten who we really are?

Enjoying your info;adore your avatar.

:-)

Flyswim

[jcocks]

I remember playing "Star Control" (a computer game) as a kid, and being strongly drawn to one of the quests in the game where you travel the universe looking for artifacts from the "precursor" race. For some reason I've always strongly resonated with that idea... I feel there's a certainty the whole premise is true. My feeling is that the "firstborn", or whatever you wish to call them, are an evolved race of beings from another universe who were asked to help seed life in this one. They've assumed a kind of "administration" role here - they're watching from the sidelines and may even still be seeding life on other planets (although my gut feeling is that the seeding of life here is over - at least for them).

As for their "technology" - I doubt we'd even understand it if we did come across it, let alone recognise it as such. Just my feelings on this subject. With a race as old as they are and as advanced as they are, we're unlikely to find anything about them that is understandable on our level.

But our future is their past in that, one day, we may become the creators of life in another universe ourselves.

[Ria]

hi
have any of you hared of the Yanihis.
My information say they where the first androgynous beings on earth with six fingers and toes on each appendage male/female soul quality only of a less dense substance to us that helped terraform this planet.

[Flyswim]

Hi Ria,

Sorry to be Scroogle lazy but do you have any links on the Yanihis. First I've heard of them......

Thanks.

Flyswim

[the trojan]

research Jack kirby..the new gods...the eternals.
for those who do not know,Jack Kirby was possibly the greatest comics writer/illustrator of the last century.
The progenitors theory sounds very similar to the premise laid out in his series of books, The Eternals.
There are a good few articles at ,The secret Sun, which provide an intro on the concepts presented by Jack.

http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2008/1...ack-kirby.html would be a fine place to start.

[MariaDine]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xOzuU...eature=related

https://youtube.com/watch?v=RKcTZ..._order&list=UL

Maybe this will give you some clues...the first video is an brief introdution, but the other videos integrate the other info.

...the info was obtained, throught many, many rishis (seers) along centuries...
Namasté


https://youtube.com/watch?v=0hXRPw9rVFk&NR=1

[Newlyn]

Some remnants and tech-relics of their technological advancement are certain, dark-colored objects, with strange geometrical shapes, usually regarded as terraforming machines. Others, more commonly, feature glass-like spheres and rods. These spheres sometimes have a silver-like color. There have been other anomalies and enigmatic things found in space (anomalous and enigmatic for them even), usually most being attributed as work to these 'Progenitors'.

This reminds me of 2001 - A space odyssey. Theese tall dark objects that appear for the humans in some special time of development.

[Newlyn]

Arthur C. Clark's super-advanced civilization, called, interestingly enough - 'Firstborn', just like the old aquatic alien cultures refer to it. They appear in the Space Odyssey novel series. Enough similarities to suggest that he knew a great deal about life out there, before he died.

Did not really notice this when I made the post above.

[BMJ]

Hi Onyxknight,
Firstly thank you for all your efforts.

Some names the Progenitors are know by rang a bell for me in anime and PS2 gaming:

Protoculture in the Robotech series.
In the fictional history of Macross the Protoculture was the first sentient humanoid race to evolve in this universe, about one million years ago. According to the official chronology of The Super Dimension Fortress Macross series,[4] the Protoculture became also the first advanced humanoid civilization in the known universe 500,000 years ago. The Protoculture's first space colonization began with the use of sub-light-velocity spaceships 2400 years after their civilization was created.

Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocu...ch_definitions

The Percusors in PS2 gaming.
The Precursors are an ancient race consisting of ottsels(half otter, half weasel), they are the central deities of the Jak universe. The Precursors assumed that if the people knew that their "gods" were a bunch of fuzzy little rats, they wouldn't be admired or venerated. So they created exaggerated myths in which they depicted themselves as humanoid beings made of Light Eco (that PILOT huge robots that look like Anteaters and communicate with Jak through statues with the same design) The Precursors are worshipped by the Precursor Monks, who protect Precursor technology from the Metal Heads. They communicate with Jak through most of the games and give him advice and various powers.

Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precurs...ing_characters

[Agape]

Hello Onyx,

the idea is excellent but your information sources are inaccurate. You've probably missed my threads on the ET Origin of Mankind / Witness section ,

if you want to discuss more please let me know .

[Lefty Dave]

In the WingMakers' saga, they are known as the Central Race...

thanks for the update, Onyx...

[swoods_blue]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Quite a few people asked about them, so I decided I should answer. But the answer would be in a form of a thread, as they suggested it may develop some discussion.

How did this thread get abandoned? What an interesting start.

[Nasu]

Posted by swoods_blue (here)

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Quite a few people asked about them, so I decided I should answer. But the answer would be in a form of a thread, as they suggested it may develop some discussion.

How did this thread get abandoned? What an interesting start.

Agreed. Bump!

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by swoods_blue (here)

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Quite a few people asked about them, so I decided I should answer. But the answer would be in a form of a thread, as they suggested it may develop some discussion.

How did this thread get abandoned? What an interesting start.

Its possible that people lost interest in it, as its often the case. Thank your for bumping this up and expressing interest in it. In case there is anything you wish to ask about this, feel free, I'm quite active on the forum lately so you should get a quick answer

[Wolfen]

What I just read. It oh man it got me super excited! I feel a connection to the precursors. I even remember seeing one of the spheres once. I thought it was just a weird dream but now that I read this. I don't think it was a dream.

[Wolfen]

I would like to know more about the progenitors. I think I might have seen one of the spheres once. In a dream I um..I don't know if this is the right place to post it but I would like to talk about my dream.

It starts I'm in a room a chamber of some sort. I think I'm on a starship. But I'm not alone there are four others with me. There is a holographic image of a sphere similar to what you spoke of above. They are wearing white hazmat suits is what they look like to me. There visits are grey tho I can't see there faces. They are humanoid in appearance but they only have four fingers. I'm in one of the hazmat suits to. Except my visor is silver. I think we where working on something they all where busy working at places around this holographic sphere. I seem to be watching them. I get this feeling that the hologram is just a representation of a much larger object outside of the ship. But the spheres you talk about they seem similar to the one I saw in my dream.

I just thought I share this as this thread has gotten me excited. I keep reading it over and over. I just I'm not sure but I feel like I've found a peace of something big that I have been looking for for as long as I can remember. I'm sorry if this is in the wrong place.