E.coli cucumber scare: Germany seeks source of outbreak

[Bhusunda]

If this E.coli is a natural mutation or not, how it is handled in Germany is important:

1. Official government ministries and the media plunge on it and are spreading fear, all in the context of 'protecting' us.
2. People do not eat fresh food anymore, thereby weakening there immune system even further. Canned food is suddenly thought to be a blessing.
3. It diverts the attention of the political agenda in Germany and Europe. A welcome diversion from the approaching default of some EU countries (or further bail-outs) and the colossal amounts of money Germany is printing in this regard.

I think, this E.coli might be a test balloon.

Cheers,
Bhusunda

[astrid]

This whole thing - VERY FISHY.

Watch this space and see them roll out a "solution"

[Bhusunda]

Posted by astrid (here)
This whole thing - VERY FISHY.

Watch this space and see them roll out a "solution"

Yeah, that looks really like a perfect "Problem, Reaction, Solution" scenario. Lets see what the "solution" will be.

[Rocky_Shorz]

this sounds bad...

Deadly E. coli mixes common toxin with rare "glue"

(Reuters) - Scientists probing the deadly E. coli strain in Europe are finding the bacteria combines a highly poisonous, but common, toxin with a rarely seen "glue" that binds it to a patient's intestines.

It may take months for the global team of researchers to fully understand the characteristics of the bacteria that has killed at least 17 people in Europe and sickened 1,500. But they fear this E. coli strain is the most toxic yet to hit a human population.

Most Escherichia coli or E. coli bacteria are harmless. The strain that is sickening people in Germany and other parts of Europe, known as 0104:H4, is part of a class of bacteria known as Shiga toxin-producing Escherichia coli, or STEC.

This class has the ability to stick to intestinal walls where it pumps out toxins, causing diarrhea and vomiting. In severe cases, it causes hemolytic uremic syndrome or HUS, attacking the kidneys and causing coma, seizure and stroke... link

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now is everyone starting to understand why it is important to get started on vertical farming?

now all European food is going to quarantined, it is in Milk already passed through grains grass etc...


the News just announced Russia just banned all fresh foods from the affected areas, next livestock...

[witchy1]

This is warm blooded mammalian only bug (well......... it used to be when I was nursing) and it can ONLY come from one place - botties. Its also not communicable - so you can ONLY get it from eating these products. You wont get it from another person

Humans could not live with out e.coli - they convert Vit K for us in our intestines (well some of them anyway, some of them are not that friendly)

So its either in the water supply or effluent has gotten on it. Its easily tracked so not sure what they are doing, this should only have taken a couple of days to figure out the source!

They dont say if its in the food or on the outside tho, and thats a worry. My understanding is that it cannot live outside the warm body for exteded periods - around 8 hours and will double population in 20 mins (other useless information HIV lasts only seconds outside the body and others like some virus's will last a 100 of years)

Also great to see the establishment "trialling" new anti-biotics for this fresh strain of bug..... easy way to test new medicines. Doctors were experimenting with a new type of monoclonal antibodies drug, Eculizumab, which, while not officially approved, has been administered to 11 patients in a bid to save their lives.
"The infection source remains active and we have to reckon with a growing number of cases," Bahr said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110531/ts ... sehealtheu


it appears e.coli is remarkably easy to re-engineer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli

They can tell the type of infestation for example in water by the type of e.coli is - like from cows or humans.
I also dont think its IN the veggies, I think its on the skin. If it is in the veg, then I would say for sure manipulation - they're doin it anyway, maybe some got loose.

........ Crucial experiments that illuminated the details of fundamental biological processes such as DNA replication, transcription, and translation were performed for the first time or with greatest success in E. coli. The bacterium is still a primary resource in many modern laboratories. Even research efforts that focus on other organisms, including humans or crop plants, often use E. coli extensively as a tool to facilitate cloning and DNA sequencing.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/escherichi ... z1O0epgXbN

Alcohol will generally kill it - so drink lots with your salads. (NO - Im kidding)

[witchy1]

I just read on another forum that it has become communicable? (i.e. spreads person to person) Does anyone have an update please or a link

[astrid]

3 Cases Of Deadly European E Coli Detected In United States

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rl80WXqPrHI

[witchy1]

I have a really bad feeling about this. If its not contained and is communicable - we may potentially have something similar to ebola. That is a haemorragic disease and spreads like fire. 99% fatal. Please everyone keep your eyes open on this.

I also struggle with the fact that they allegedly dont know where its come from.

They can get on top of these outbreaks within days (look at bird flu) something just does not add up if it is in fact e. coli

[astrid]

"How to protect yourself from e.coli

On the practical side, what can you do to protect yourself from e.coli contamination of vegetables? There are FOUR simple things you can do:

1) EAT LOCAL. Grow your own food and / or buy from local farmers' markets.

2) WASH YOUR VEGGIES. If you wash them well, even e.coli won't be a problem. The e.coli is only present in those veggies that aren't adequately washed.

3) TAKE PROBIOTICS. The more "friendly" bacteria you have in your gut, the less space there is for toxic e.coli to take hold. The secret truth about these infections -- that you're not being told -- is that virtually everyone infected with toxic e.coli is someone with compromised digestive flora. Taking probiotics gives you a buffer against invading nasties.

4) AVOID ANTIBIOTICS. Most antibiotics are prescribed to humans by clueless doctors who prescribe them for things like viral infections and asthma, none of which are treated in the least by antibiotics.

These four simple steps will protect nearly everyone from e.coli infections acquired through food. So why doesn't the mainstream media teach people these four simple steps? Because they're too busy blaming cucumbers, tomatoes and spinach, I guess. They're utterly ignorant of the simple dynamics of e.coli superbug mutation and propagation.

Food safety isn't rocket science, folks. It's simpler than you've been told. And it's based on the fundamental idea that you shouldn't raise cattle, hogs and chicken in dirty, inhumane conditions requiring a constant dose of chemical antibiotics just to keep them alive."

from here........

http://www.naturalnews.com/032590_ecoli_superbugs.html


ALSO.........

"Complete blackout of the obvious source of this new strain

The mainstream media is predictably pretending it has no idea where this new strain came from. They're all scratching their heads and just focusing on the "killer cucumbers" which is of course a particularly lame bit of disinfo.

Want to know where this e.coli really came from? The abuse of antibiotics in factory animal farms.

Factory animal farm operations, you see, raise cattle, pigs and chickens in such atrociously bad and dirty conditions that they have to pump them full of antibiotics just to avoid the rapid spread of infection. This constant dosing with antibiotics creates the perfect breeding ground for superbugs in the guts of these animals.

Then, these animals defecate and drop billions of e.coli bacteria with their stools which are then collected and used as crop fertilizers. So the crops are actually grown in this stuff that's contaminated with animal fecal matter containing antibiotics-induced superbugs.

The veggies grown in the e.coli fertilizer then get shipped to supermarkets, where people buy the produce and fail to wash it properly. Once they consume it, the e.coli goes to work in their own guts which are largely devoid of friendly flora because many people are also on antibiotics which wipe out their own intestinal flora, creating a perfect environment for food borne infection.

That's when people start dying, you see. It's all basic cause and effect.

So, you see, antibiotics play a double role in this tragedy: They're widely abused throughout the animal ranching industry, and they're also widely abused by doctors treating human patients. And yet the media is just strangely reluctant to print this obvious fact. They almost outright refuse to tell readers the truth: E.coli superbugs are an antibiotics problem, not a vegetable problem!"

[witchy1]

It sounds like they have NO antibiotics to fight this with - hence the use of trial drugs. Your advice is good Astrid.

From a few days ago...... Doctors were experimenting with a new type of monoclonal antibodies drug, Eculizumab, which, while not officially approved, has been administered to 11 patients in a bid to save their lives. "The infection source remains active and we have to reckon with a growing number of cases," Bahr said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110531/ts ... sehealtheu

If it is communicable - we are playing in an entirely different league and if this is in fact correct - no amount of washing your veg will keep you safe. We really need to find this out and fast. Is it transferred via respiratory system (droplet, coughing etc where the next person breathes it in) or transferred by fomites - on surfaces ( table tops, chairs, money etc where we touch something and put our fingers in our mouths/eyes) You get the picture

Good greif they can grow this bug in 8 hours in a petrie dish - what are they doing

If it is already in another country contracted from within that country - (like could not have got it from travelling to Germany or Spain) there is real reason for concern. We should start to see no travel areas etc if this is the case watch for signs. It sounds reasonably fast moving at this stage anyway.

PS: Im not trying to be the harbinger of doom and gloom, just stressing the importance of watching out for it and doing what you can to keep yourselves safe as possible. Especially if you are in Europe.

[astrid]

I think this thread needs to be



IMPORTANT.

[Black Panther]

I'm very thankful for all the posters to keep this thread alive.

Problem: Poisonous vegetables
Reaction: Population frightened of poisonous vegetables
Solution: Make growing vegetables illegal and bring in GM foods

This has got PTB written all over it.

I like mister Icke too
It's very helpful to understand what's really happening (or happened in the 'past')

The whole thing reminds me of the movie 'Outbreak'.

[witchy1]

WHO confirms this is a new strain

new and more virulent strain of the E coli bacterium caused the outbreak that has killed 17 people and left more than 1,500 ill across Europe, the World Health Organisation has announced.

Hilde Kruse, a food safety expert at the WHO, told the Associated Press it was "a unique strain that has never been isolated from patients before ... [its characteristics] make it more virulent and toxin-producing".

According to the Health Protection Agency three British nationals have been infected as well as four Germans in the UK. All are believed to have caught it in Germany. Three are believed to have developed haemolytic uraemic syndrome, a rare and severe kidney complication that destroys red blood cells and can affect the central nervous system.

The HPA has said it is working with the Food Standards Agency and there is no evidence of suspect produce being distributed in the UK.

As the number of cases continues to rise , Russia has extended its ban on imports of raw vegetables from the European Union – a move condemned by Brussels as "disproportionate" – and Spain is threatening legal action over the initial attempt by Germany to blame the outbreak on imported Spanish organic cucumbers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... intcmp=239

[heyokah]

Scientists from the Beijing Genomics Institute in southern China said Thursday the new E.colistrain responsible for the outbreak carried genes that made it resistant to some antibiotics.

“This E.coli is a new strain of bacteria that is highly infectious and toxic,” said researchers from the Shenzhen-based centre who are collaborating with scientists in Germany.

The WHO confirmed the enterohaemorrhagic escherichia coli (EHEC) 0104:H4 strain had never been seen before in an outbreak situation, adding the body was waiting for more information from laboratories.

http://www.dagorret.net/2011/06/03/e...-is-dangerous/

[golden lady]

Possible Aspartame connection?
Aspartame is made from toxic waste could it be that in the production not all the bacteria was iradicated or a new strain of ecoli born!
This new outbreak seems to be affecting more women. Could it be that as more women tend to consume Aspartame laden products this is the reason?
Being a new mutant strain could also be the reason why it may be communicable.
However it has come to be this is defiantly one to keep an ever watchful eye on. Be alert
Love and peace

[witchy1]

Gotta admit Im leaning toward a bio-engineered thing. It looks like 2 different strains of e.coli brought together into one virulent strain.

These guys have been around for at least as long as us - and now, all of a sudden they have decided that they are in fact genetically compatible, quite fancy each other and decide to have babies - hmmmmm

I dont think so

[Arrowwind]

This outbreak will be contained as soon as they find the absolute source of contamination.

E-coli is not highly contageous from person to person and good handwashing is generally all that is required so you will not be seeing a "plague" of this disease... only those who came into direct contact with the pathogen on the food will be higly susceptible... the family members risk who did not eat the food is minimal, but of course not impossible to catch it from them.


Since microbes are ever changing according to the environmnet that they reside in we will be seeing more of this and it will continue as long as we feed antibiotics to cattle and chickens, etc. Antibiotics force microbes to change and in that change they can become more toxic for humans.

e-coli in general is not all that dangerous to people.. only these mutated varieties.. after all we all have e-coli in our gut and if normal e-coli could make us sick and die we would all be long dead. Ultimately antibiotic usage is the cause in ALL cases of toxic e-coli contamination.

this is a lesson for organic farmers... they should never use composting products from animals that have been fed antibiotics unless those composted products have been absolutely composted properly but facilities that assure all the materials reach 160 degrees throughout. STudies in the US show that all farms that use routine antibiotics in feed have animals that have resistant pathogens, even the people who care for the animals carry these pathogens and often are sickened by them or carry dangerous diease home to their families. The sloppy production of animal based compost can cause lots of problems if the animals are contaminated.

Now MRSA was first discovered in the UK in 1962 and they have been dealing with e-coli there for a long time.. Most cases are confined to the hospital of e-coli.. this issue with farms and gardens is more new but certainly not new, at least in the US. Many ranches in EU are significantly contaminated with MRSA and I just read the other day of a new and more deadly strain found in animals there... so beware EU!.... and this is why they want to irradiate all the meat products.

[Arrowwind]

It is certainly time to elicit the help of MMS1 and MMS2 and Grapefruit seed extract.

I would be washing, with full emersion of all veggies into a solution of MMS2

Intelligent people with a high E.Q. will be moving into right and sensible action, not fear.

[witchy1]

This outbreak will be contained as soon as they find the absolute source of contamination

Hi Arrow, not sure if you have read the whole thread, but the problem is that there is some conjecture that this strain is not acting like "normal" e.coli and has become communicable. WHO (if you can beleive them) have identified it as a "new" strain that combines 2 already known strains. It is being listed as epidemic on some sites. There is no confirmation that all victims have contracted it via eating these veg either - so they are not sure even how its spreading (droplet/ fomites etc)

I dont think anyone is fearful, but most are watchful. Its important for everyone to keep an eye out for developments and watch the spread. I know that the blood service here in Aust are keeping a VERY close watch on it, as Im sure most health professionals are.

It may all just go away without any further cases, however but the hospital in the above video in Germany have over 120 cases there and noting a 30 - 40% mortality rate. There are 3 new cases in the States and its in 5 EU countries

[Rocky_Shorz]

The Western Kansas Weather Modification Program has two main objectives: reduce the size of hail in storms and increase rainfall by seeding selected clouds in the absence of severe weather.

The program, which has been in existence for 34 years, operates from April until September and designed to protect as much cropland as possible.

With a budget of $550,000, the program is funded by the state and has eight participating counties: Greeley, Wichita, Gray, Scott, Lane, Hamilton, Kearny, Finney and Haskell. The counties pay the weather modification program 5.2 cents per acre of cropland and 2.2 cents per acre of rangeland. The program has planes based in Lakin, Syracuse, Scott City and Leoti.

For every dollar spent on the program, there's an economic benefit of $10 to $35 in the form of better crop yields. link

A hedge was needed against the weather events that drove energy demand, and the first instrument was structured in a transaction between Koch Industries Inc., and Enron Corp. based on a temperature index for Milwaukee in such a way that Enron would pay Koch each day the temperature fell below normal (per degree), while Koch would pay for every degree above normal on warmer days. Then in 1999, the Chicago Mercantile Exchange introduced exchange-traded weather futures and options on futures based on temperature indices. The market for providers of weather-related risk and information services is booming, and this growth will continue with the increasing volatility of local weather (widely agreed to be an effect of global climate change), and the reduced maneuverability of corporations following the credit crunch. link

so how deep does Koch go into cloud seeding is the question and was this formula to replace the Thorium one?