Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[Rocky_Shorz]

Sparking the fears of Minister Serdyukov, he says in this report, is that based upon the new orbit calculations for Comet Elenin, it appears in “all likelihood” that this celestial object is under some type of “intelligent control” and will approach our Earth “much closer” than originally thought this coming fall season. link

this was from March 1st, now they've been watching it 3 months longer...

of course they wouldn't hold back info from us... would they?

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by bashi (here)

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
Hi folks, more info...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lycEGSV9hhY

This video is complete scientific BS! He does not even know the basic features of a photon. All these supposed effects are read out of a cup of cold morning coffee.

What makes you think that you actually 'know the basic features of a photon'? Care to elaborate...

Posted by bashi (here)
TSD: You and this guy are doing exactly what TPTB wants you to do: Scare, Scare, Scare

Who ever has eyes to see and a brain to think should do it.
The rest can follow the piper.
Enough said.

Bashi my friend, I just post videos for general info, therefore it's up to everyone who reads this thread to decide for themselves if it resonates with their beliefs, etc. You can debunk all you want, but at least don't accuse me or anyone else for that matter of things that are not true. Truth is respecting other people too. For you might be irrelevant, as for me is truth.

Knowledge is something you build by experience, using the information you receive. The information itself is not knowledge. To build your own knowledge, you can use information from different sources. Having checked the information out and having experienced it, you can say: I know. Until then you were believing, you did not know.

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by bashi (here)

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
More mysteries explained in this great documentary. An old goodie, also recommended for Bashi to watch.

Nice vid! Yes Sri Yukteshwar said a cycle is 24000 years and not, as stated mostly 25600 years.
Good that they now found out that he was right in the first place.

We are talking here about ELENIN and the "proof" that it is a BD, isn`t it?
We are not discussing whether our system is binary in general.

You might want to re-read the title of the thread again, and the post below...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...776#post234776

Peace and blessings

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
Hi All
I just got this and read it from Kerrys blog on Camelot, and if this is true and I think it is, then the ELENIN affect on earth are Bu££$hit, YOU MUST READ. http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima.html

regards to all
roman

careful of this link everyone, opens a BO and mirrors your browser...

I wonder if Skib would agree that the 9.0 never happened...

[ponda]

bashi said:

TSD: You and this guy are doing exactly what TPTB wants you to do: Scare, Scare, Scare

Who ever has eyes to see and a brain to think should do it.
The rest can follow the piper.
Enough said.

Hi bashi,

I don't see any evidence that anyone here is trying scare anyone else.We are all just trying to find out or get closer to the truth.

From what i've seen there is no definitive proof either way for what is going on in the solar system.

There could be a comet Elenin on its way,could be a red dwarf,could be a planet,could be a ship,could be none or all of the above.I don't think we know all that much about the bigger cosmic picture anyway to be honest.It is interesting trying to speculate though.

Some questions: Would the governments lie to us ? Can we believe everything that nasa,jpl tell us ? Do the governments,nasa,jpl know everything to start with ? Are there possible unknown components to all of this ?

Personally i think it's all part of the great game and is a good thing.Even if, say whatever is out there is a brown dwarf or large planet then there is still no guarantee that it will turn into a worse case scenario outcome anyway.

cheers

[truthseekerdan]

What is this second sun rising in the morning? Caught on May 31st. by he CFH observatory hosts a world-class, 3.6 meter optical/infrared telescope. The observatory is located atop the summit of Mauna Kea, a 4200 meter, dormant volcano located on the island of Hawaii. The CFH Telescope became operational in 1979.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zi-srNSUUq0

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zi-srNSUUq0

This is my last post on this thread, I don't want to scare anyone anymore.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Reading the comments on that last video, and looking at it a bit, I believe it really is the moon.
You can see it turn from orb to sliver as it raises towards the top of the screen.

[bashi]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Sparking the fears of Minister Serdyukov, he says in this report, is that based upon the new orbit calculations for Comet Elenin, it appears in “all likelihood” that this celestial object is under some type of “intelligent control” and will approach our Earth “much closer” than originally thought this coming fall season. link

this was from March 1st, now they've been watching it 3 months longer...

of course they wouldn't hold back info from us... would they?

From your link:
"A chilling report prepared for President Medvedev by Minister Serdyukov of the Russian Defense Ministry..."
this sounds very familiar. Where did i read that before?

Just google "Minister Serdyukov Elenin" and you will see that all mayor foren have picked up this fake story by Soorcha Faal.
Its typical disinfo: First quoting something real and establishing credibility. Then webbing into it the disinfo-story...
You will never find the original story about the Minister, because it does not exist.
.

[bashi]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)

What makes you think that you actually 'know the basic features of a photon'? Care to elaborate...

I care:
Quote from the video:
" ...which means ELEnin reflects on light on any wavelength at all. NONE"

He says people can not see it, but if you click on the link i provided, then you can see it:

http://gustavomuler.fotografiaastron...metas/C1010X1/

Take your time and watch the videos: Its a tiny bright speck... in a 12 inch telescope
which can display the rings of Saturn as big as a wall-paper.
This is the reality and no computer generated star map will change that.


"...by releasing extra photons that are causing Earth magnetosphere to collapse."
and here:
At 2:26 "...the photons following the magnetic lines away from the dwarf star"

Photons are not following any magnetic lines, because a Photon is not a charged particle.
A photon can therefore not collapse or influence a magnetic field.
Only moving ions/currents are influenced by mag. lines. This guy does not know that currents produce mag. fields. All this is basic science knowledge, which can be read everywhere - if you care to know...

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)

Posted by bashi (here)
TSD: You and this guy are doing exactly what TPTB wants you to do: Scare, Scare, Scare

Who ever has eyes to see and a brain to think should do it.
The rest can follow the piper.
Enough said.

Bashi my friend, I just post videos for general info, therefore it's up to everyone who reads this thread to decide for themselves if it resonates with their beliefs, etc. You can debunk all you want, but at least don't accuse me or anyone else for that matter of things that are not true. Truth is respecting other people too. For you might be irrelevant, as for me is truth.

You post videos to prove your Nibiru point, and when asked a question - like how the birds gets killed by Nibiru - then you do not answer.
You can not just throw these vids in and say: "If you still dont get it, then its your fault.."
At closer look most vids do not stand any objective questioning. It is DISINFO, not info.
You might think that you provide a service to others, but the effect is that :

1. You drive away more knowledgeable people, as they shy away from childish discussions.
2. You scare other people who come here to learn and have not knowledge-tools to discern
Disinfo from Info.

...and you are the cause, even if you do not want that to happen.

So, if you post, then face up to questions asked regarding your posts:
Questioning is not debunking.

Please explain how a Brown Dwarf can kill a flock of birds here on Earth!

Disinfo can be debunked. If you continue to post Disinfo, then i will
continue to debunk that...

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
Knowledge is something you build by experience, using the information you receive. The information itself is not knowledge. To build your own knowledge, you can use information from different sources. Having checked the information out and having experienced it, you can say: I know. Until then you were believing, you did not know.

Knowledge is something you build by experience and learning, using the information you receive, seek out and filter.

Sorry to be so hard on you, but you were also hard to the people...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by bashi (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Sparking the fears of Minister Serdyukov, he says in this report, is that based upon the new orbit calculations for Comet Elenin, it appears in “all likelihood” that this celestial object is under some type of “intelligent control” and will approach our Earth “much closer” than originally thought this coming fall season. link

this was from March 1st, now they've been watching it 3 months longer...

of course they wouldn't hold back info from us... would they?

From your link:
"A chilling report prepared for President Medvedev by Minister Serdyukov of the Russian Defense Ministry..."
this sounds very familiar. Where did i read that before?

Just google "Minister Serdyukov Elenin" and you will see that all mayor foren have picked up this fake story by Soorcha Faal.
Its typical disinfo: First quoting something real and establishing credibility. Then webbing into it the disinfo-story...
You will never find the original story about the Minister, because it does not exist.
.

I was already watching Sorcha and the Whales...

I brought it up for a few reasons, one to keep an eye on a new source that might be leaking important info disguised as a Sorcha spin-off.

I don't think it's a rock, more like a galactic escalator...

[bashi]

Posted by ponda (here)
Hi bashi,

I don't see any evidence that anyone here is trying scare anyone else.We are all just trying to find out or get closer to the truth.

From what i've seen there is no definitive proof either way for what is going on in the solar system.

There could be a comet Elenin on its way,could be a red dwarf,could be a planet,could be a ship,could be none or all of the above.I don't think we know all that much about the bigger cosmic picture anyway to be honest.It is interesting trying to speculate though.

Some questions: Would the governments lie to us ? Can we believe everything that nasa,jpl tell us ? Do the governments,nasa,jpl know everything to start with ? Are there possible unknown components to all of this ?

Personally i think it's all part of the great game and is a good thing.Even if, say whatever is out there is a brown dwarf or large planet then there is still no guarantee that it will turn into a worse case scenario outcome anyway.

cheers

You are right to some degree: Nobody DELIBERATELY tries to scare anybody here.
But intention and results were a bit divergent.
You have valid questions...

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by bashi (here)

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)

What makes you think that you actually 'know the basic features of a photon'? Care to elaborate...

I care:
All this is basic science knowledge, which can be read everywhere - if you care to know...

Bashi, it looks to me that you're trying hard to look like a scientist of some sort. Unfortunately for you, people these days are a lot smarter and know that today's main stream science is no better than religion for that matter.

If our physical being is used to attack other people, it will also harm us. However, if we willingly use our physical being in the service of others, it becomes a beautiful instrument of communication. This type of communication eliminates barriers and helps others, which in turn helps us as individuals.

If you want to turn this thread into a 'battle of who is right or wrong', I'm not going to allow you that favor. You are known for stepping on other people's toes, including the founder of this forum. Therefore I'm not convinced that you really have a benevolent agenda, and I'm done responding to you.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post180919

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Huff puff... I'll blow your house down
'cuz I'm nibiru and I'm gonna getchaaaaaaa

[Mandala]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
Wow, interesting video I found from this guy (professional photographer).

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yEmbj4n_TGU

https://youtube.com/watch?v=yEmbj4n_TGU

Very interesting video, especially pic 3 which appears to be global and reddish-brown in appearance from the picture. Worth having more information on.

[Vividity]

Like many people I read the Omerbashich paper and was extremely concerned about the possibility of a brown dwarf orbiting our sun on the JPL provided Elenin trajectory. I understood it would be visible only in the southern hemisphere at this time, so I sent emails to several astronomers in New Zealand and Australia. Dr. Andrew Williams of the Perth Observatory was kind enough to send me a lengthy reply:

"The 'paper', and all of the internet speculation about Elenin is complete nonsense. It's also not a refereed, published scientific paper. It has never been formally published, by anyone, in any form - the arXiv site is just a website, you can put whatever writings you want up there, with no review process or permission required. That arXiv website happens to be hosted at Cornell University - Omerbashich doesn't work at Cornell, and has absolutely nothing to do with Cornell, other than uploading his article to their website...

The article is full of meaningless pseudoscientific gibberish ('gravitational shadowing', etc), the statistics are ridiculous, and the data, as he's presented it, is useless to draw any conclusions from. By the time you consider the Earth, Sun, Moon, all the other planets, and this comet 'Elenin', there are dozens of combinations including the Earth and two or more other objects. If he's allowing each of these possible 'alignments' to last for three days (or an unspecified amount longer for ones involving the Sun), then an appreciable fraction of the entire year occurs just before or after one of these 'alignments'.

Look at the numbers. Earth can be paired up with any one of nine other objects, according to his table - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Elenin. Each of these 8 possible pairs 'sweeps out' an imaginary line, extending in both directions, around the rest of the Solar System, as both objects in the pair continue on their orbits. Then, out of these nine pairs, it's an 'alignment' if any one of the remaining 8 other objects happens to be in line with that pair - so there are 72 possible 'alignment' combinations, most of which happen many times per year, some less often, depending on the orbital period of the planets involved. If each lasts three (or more) days, I doubt there's a single day per year when he couldn't claim some sort of 'alignment'...

On top of that, earthquakes occur in clusters, by their very nature - typically a main shock and several aftershocks, or several shocks along the length of a fault, as the plate moves. Most of the 'earthquakes' listed in table 1 are aftershocks, or directly linked to a larger earthquake.

It might be possible to extract some meaning from his data if he'd presented a list of every possible 'alignment' of every combination of planets, comets, Sun and Moon, and counted how many of them coincided with major earthquakes (discounting aftershocks) - and more importantly, how many of them didn't.

As for comet Elenin being a moon of a brown dwarf, that's even more ridiculous. A brown dwarf is, as you point out, just like Jupiter, only heavier. It would be hotter - radiating a lot more infrared - and slightly larger. Like Jupiter, it wouldn't actually generate much visible light, however, like Jupiter, it would be perfectly good at reflecting sunlight - which is how we see Jupiter in the sky, and why it looks so bright.

If there really were a brown dwarf in the Solar System, 270 million kilometers away from Earth (as of May 4, according to JPL - closer now), it would look just like Jupiter, only three times closer, and nine times brighter. After the Sun and the Moon, it would be the brightest thing in the sky, by far, and even a toy telescope would easily show a disk, and bands of cloud. It would have been noticed...

Even if there was some mysterious jet-black non-reflective 'brown dwarf', which is physically impossible, the effects of its gravity would have been obvious for years - asteroids and planets would have been flung out of their orbits as it came in through the Solar System."

Andrew Williams

Ian Musgrave of Australia sent me to his blog for a rebuttal of the Omerbashich paper:
http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/201...rthquakes.html

For me, this topic has now been put to rest.
Cheers

[yiolas]

Dr. Mensur Omerbashich was given the opportunity to explain in detail his hypothesis and ultimate conclusion that strong astronomical alignments as relative to earth cause earthquakes in a written question and answer session by Marshall Masters and his team.

Here is a short summary (Link to entire interview)

Q.1. In your paper, ASTRONOMICAL ALIGNMENTS AS THE CAUSE OF ~M6+ SEISMICITY, you present Comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin) as a georesonator causality for an increased pattern of major earthquakes, all across the planet. What is a georesonator and how does this apply to Elenin?A.1. A forced mechanical oscillator is akin to soldiers step-marching across a bridge. The bridge eventually collapses when the critical resonance magnification is reached matching the grave period of oscillation of the bridge. Georesonator is one such concept in which the whole Earth is thought of as a closed mechanical oscillator forced externally by celestial bodies. As I showed back in 2003, Earth gravity responds strongly to alignments with the Moon and the Sun. Such alignments disturb Earth masses systematically and measurably so much so that magnification of mechanical resonance gets set off. I now tested the concept empirically, by using all celestial bodies in our solar system’s "plane". I was thus able to demonstrate that most bodies (when aligned in a specific fashion; for longer than around three days; etc.) are also capable of setting off the resonance magnification, thus causing earthquakes.

Q2.What was it that first drew your attention to Elenin and has incorporated this object into your research? Has it compelled you to revisit any of your previous theories?

The Elenin was suitable for testing of my concept because its trajectory, with inclination of around 1º, is virtually coplanar to our solar system. It also approaches the Sun relatively slowly, traveling along the legs of a hyperbola. These characteristics are enabling long alignments amongst the Elenin, the Earth and a third body.

The Elenin also drags gravitationally locked particles spanning 30k+ km, but neither its relatively small mass nor relatively low density constitute forbidding factors for causing strong earthquakes in the georesonator. No other object with similar properties has been noticed in our solar system in the past few decades, to the best of my knowledge.

Q3. Your georesonator concept, as applied to the Elenin, is based on your hyperresonator equations. What inspired you to first conceive your hyperresonator equations?

Clearly, the georesonator was just a special case, as it applied to a specific set of closed mechanical oscillators. I wanted to see if generalizing the concept to the absolute realm would have a physical meaning too. So I developed absolute generalization in 2006 and 2008, and called it the hyperresonator.

Q4. Your hyperresonator equations also challenge the validity of Einstein's General Relativity theory and Planck's Quantum Physics. As a former geologist for the Berkeley National Laboratory in California and the Geophysics Institute of Hungary in Budapest, how have your peers responded to your hyperresonator equations?

Hyperresonator equations do not simply challenge, but immediately invalidate both Einstein's General Relativity and Planck's Quantum Physics theory as fundamentally flawed. Newton’s assumption on constancy of G, and the faked "physical units" he attached thereupon to G only in order to close his theory physically as well as mathematically, have made his theory obviously flawed to begin with.

Q6. Many are concerned with the ongoing changes in the Comet Elenin's orbit and some have speculated that it is "under intelligent control." Have you found any evidence whatsoever to corroborate this intelligent control theory and if not, what do you believe accounts for these orbital changes?

I was not concerned with such changes, be them real or not. I used the Elenin’s latest trajectory solutions. All I can say is that the Elenin has been behaving as postulated by my concepts, just as all planets in our solar system do.

Q7. You mention 'Gravitational Shadowing' throughout your research paper. Could you explain what is meant by that term and how it applies to the discussion of Comet Elenin?

Gravitational shadowing is explained and illustrated in my 2008 paper titled ‘Scale Invariability’ (http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0876). Recall that Newton saw gravity as an unexplainable "attraction between mass objects acting upon each other at distance". Scientists nowadays would call it a paranormal phenomenon and most certainly would stay away from it. ................So, I asked myself: what if gravity is actually a mechanical vibration along the masterfully tuned aether (also known as fabric of Space, vacuum energy, etc.), coming from all directions simultaneously to the observed body? Such a generalization turned out fruitful indeed, as I was able to derive my hyperresonator equations demonstrating that an oscillating-orbiting system is not structured in an arbitrary fashion but is instead tuned, from scale to scale.

Q11. When compared with the Comet Halley, the coma of Elenin is half the size. Likewise, when compared with Comet Hale-Bopp, which was a bright magnitude 0 comet, Elenin will at best, be a magnitude 4 or 6 - just visible to the unaided eye. Lacking the size and brightness of any number of great comets and by a substantial factor, how is it that Elenin qualifies as georesonator causality.
The trajectories of other significant (relatively sizable and relatively slow) celestial objects, including those you mention, all have forbidding inclinations. Obviously, not being coplanar to our solar system, it is thus impossible for such objects to ever align with any of the bodies that compose our solar system. ........Furthermore, most other objects make no significant gravitational shadow, i.e., they do not drag a sizeable amount of gravitationally locked particles, etc.

Q12. Given the present ephemeris for Comet Elenin, it will be 0.2 AU from Earth when the next planetary alignment happens on September 27, 2011. Assuming we fix September 27, 2011 as the peak of a bell curve, what do you see as seismic event possibilities, preceding and following this high point on the curve?

As I already mentioned, mass plays no role in my concepts, so the same goes for distance as related to mass in the Newtonian-Einsteinian magical view. As mentioned in my alignments paper, the Elenin will speed up significantly from August-October on its sling-shot pass about the Sun. During that time, the Elenin will not have enough time to partake in long alignments, and all that it will be able to produce in terms of setting off the resonance magnification (earthquakes) is some mild seismicity as predicted by my concepts, mostly due to the size of the Sun when the Sun is involved in the alignment.

Worth noting is that I do neither modeling nor prediction of specific earthquakes. Based on the pattern of resonance magnification for strong seismicity during long alignments, I provide only the status of our planet's overall oscillatory excitation from the mantle's magnified resonance as set off by celestial alignments. You can find this status at: http://sites.google.com/site/omerbashich/.

[yiolas]

As a follow up to my previous post, please note that Dr. Mensur Omerbashich's web site http://sites.google.com/site/omerbashich/ has stated a 6+ earthquake watch for the period of May 26 - June 5. As explained on his site this is due to the long alignment of Elinen-Earth-Neptune during this period.

Suffice to say that there in fact have been 2 such earthquakes so far in this period: Bio-Bio,Chile and Honsh Japan.

[greybeard]

Hi Yiola
Volcanic activity in Chile --- first time since 1960 with these.
Coincidence--- who knows.
Chris

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13657187

[yiolas]

Hi Chris, thanks for the info., which by the way concurs with Dr. Omerbashich's hypothesis. It certainly is interesting and I believe deserves to be tracked. This is something that can be done without any extensive scientific background. Just take note of the long in duration alignments made with the earth and two other objects in our solar system plane.

[DoubleHelix]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Hi Yiola
Volcanic activity in Chile --- first time since 1960 with these.
Coincidence--- who knows.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13657187

Hey Chris I appreciate your efforts to connect the dots! But in regards to the Volcanic activity in Chile, Chile's one of the most volcanic countries in the world (as stated in the link) and that was the first time since 1960 that that very chain of Volcanoes erupted. As Volcanoes/Earthquakes are very difficult to predict it's good to note that Volcanoes are often accompanied by Earthquakes and visa versa so it could just be a bi-product.

Posted by yiolas (here)
Dr. Mensur Omerbashich - I used the Elenin’s latest trajectory solutions. .

Yiolas the doctor you quoted stated that he used JPL's tracking data which for me is a major red flag and doesn't bring anyone reassurance. I think for this case to have any validity we would need to have a secondary source supporting the tracking data. It's my honest opinion that this is a well funded Psyop that the Alternative Media's grabbed a hold of with both hands and continues to run with.

Posted by Vividity (here)
so I sent emails to several astronomers in New Zealand and Australia. Dr. Andrew Williams of the Perth Observatory was kind enough to send me a lengthy reply:

If there really were a brown dwarf in the Solar System, 270 million kilometers away from Earth (as of May 4, according to JPL - closer now), it would look just like Jupiter, only three times closer, and nine times brighter. After the Sun and the Moon, it would be the brightest thing in the sky, by far, and even a toy telescope would easily show a disk, and bands of cloud. It would have been noticed...

Vividity went ahead and did some fine research, this makes a lot more sense to me.