Comet Elenin, C/2010 X1

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I was under the impression that to see a brown dwarf you needed a very high-powered telescope or an infra-red telescope - neither of which would be in the possession of amateur astronomers.

It did intrigue me, however,when the Vatican unveiled it's new infrared telescope which they named LUCIFER, which supposedly is an acronym for: "Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research"!!?! - shortly after NASA launched "WISE" which is also infra-red, I became curious as to what was up and wondered what prompted all this attention again for something that could only be seen with infra-red.

[Bollinger]

Posted by JoeNashville (here)
WOW again. Do you even read your own writing? Or should I say do you understand it?

I'm starting to wonder. But to answer your point, I'm not recycling anyone's research, and I am frustrated by those that do, including you, but that's another thread. In fact your attempt to ascribe other peoples theories and ideas is hereby uncovered and flatly rejected.

What is being put before us is the idea that a comet with sufficient mass is making its way towards the orbit of Earth and depending on a certain alignment with its trajectory, there is significant gravitational field effect to cause large earth-quakes.

The only person 'putting forth' that argument is you. That's your recycled BS that you're trying to fit in here. In fact I don't think anyone in this thread has said anything like that. So why are you?

I don't think gravity has anything to do with it and have never said that. Nor if you understand what you are quoting about Newton's law does that. You're trying to make the only theory you know fit this for some reason.

'Comet' ELEnin doesn't have the mass to either sustain a 10,800 year orbit or cause gravitational effects on anything. In fact it's so small it would be subject to being affect by other bodies rather than causing them. And that is part of the mystery.

That none of the characteristics you mentioned even apply and if you had studied the matter you would know that. All of the behavior of the 'comet' is outside established patterns and theories and known data.

And I never said anything about random alignments. Though AGAIN, other people and their flawed research have which YOU are recycling. I'm talking about specific alignments on specific days linked to specific events. And those dates and those events are beyond refute.

Moreover, you clearly haven't done any research yourself, because if you had at least looked at the NASA JPL data closely, you would have to admit something is strange. And if you had a curious mind that would motivate you to seek more real data. That is how I got interested in this. So if you want to live in denial, which is fine for you, but don't waste the time of others who are open minded and seeking answers.

And once again you're wrong with your assumptions. A large number of people still trust NASA. Though personally, I'm on the fence and take it with a grain of salt. Whether or not the NASA data is legit is another thread and perhaps a worthy one if you want to explore why JPL would create all this data. Sadly for the discussion of ELEnin and it's parameters is really the only game in town.

The point is the activity doesn't fit into any theory and is anomalous and so the question is why? And if not what could else could it be? And we're open to anything, including a dwarf/binary star, or wherever the evidence leads us.

What we're trying to do here is understand the anomalous aspects of this 'comet' and to the extent possible predict what the future events may be.

I do agree with your point as to why people say what they say. It is especially interesting in your case.

My own feelings about this in general, and forgive me if it goes somewhat off topic, is that people are not so much waking up (to coin an overused and tired phrase) but more likely we appear to be on the cusp of a significant evolutionary change. I fully admit that it is just an assumption driven by the desire to explain an observation.

No forgiveness is required because you were never really on topic, but I would like to answer your question with a question:

Why would 'we' be on the cusp of an evolutionary change or even an awakening when people aren't even using a fraction of the real ability they already have? The universal consciousness is to smart to waste an 'upgrade' on those who aren't even close to understanding in their current position? Never mind, I don't want this to turn into a thread jack...

Tut. tut. It doesn’t take much to rattle your cage. There is far too much emotion in your words and anything I say is bound to exacerbate your agitation. That unfortunately leaves little or no hope of discussing anything with you, especially as the insults start flying and the debate descends into the gutter.

So, I take my leave and wish you the best in your endeavours in proving that we are all about to die. Your mind is definitely open but which way is it facing? The funny thing is that if your “the end is nigh” banner turns out to be true I won’t be here for you to tell me “I told you so”. However, when this fizzles out like all the other baseless assertions that litter the “awakened” thinker’s brain, I might be tempted to come here and tell you the very same. Bye.

[kersley]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I think that if elenin is not a comet as some surmise, then some of their scouts are surely around here watching?

It's all good scouting around and watching, But how about doing someting about it? like diverting it's course? Failing that, maybe just blow the thing up.
If they have the technology, why not?

[Tony]

I thought the Georgia Guide Stone had this in mind.
That's why I bought a hat!

Tony

[Cjay]

Posted by kersley (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I think that if elenin is not a comet as some surmise, then some of their scouts are surely around here watching?

It's all good scouting around and watching, But how about doing someting about it? like diverting it's course? Failing that, maybe just blow the thing up.
If they have the technology, why not?

Blowing things up is rarely a good option.

[fradda]

hi vividty, with all the info that's going on one cannot be troubled or confused with it all. I read your post regarding Dr William's email and I too emailed Dr William's regarding my concerns. There are 3 different types of dwarf stars to which one he was referring to. As far as being able to see a dwarf star with the naked eye or binoculars it is virtually impossible, one would need IR technology to capture footage or to visualize the event. He's a link for more info regarding dwarf stars they are not as simple as one would think and are very elusive to find without the IR technology. http://cass.ucsd.edu/~ajb/papers/physicstoday.pdf
Please I'm not into debating only finding out whats good for me an my love ones...
as well I found this video a few hours ago regarding DR Omerbashich research papers he explains at length how he came up with his findings...all this just makes the water even more murky. I emailed Dr William regarding this well please read the link on the brown dwarfs it will enlighten you Dr Burgasser has a PhD in these findings. https://youtube.com/watch?v=RMES5...el_video_title

Really if something is coming which it is not much time left to see it for what it is...finally with all the Geo events and solar hick ups I tend to be on the side tha Elenin is causing this...

Posted by Vividity (here)
On another thread (GD) "Proof that Comet Elenin..." I posted the following last night, but it should be posted here as well:

Like many people I read the Omerbashich paper and was extremely concerned about the possibility of a brown dwarf orbiting our sun on the JPL provided Elenin trajectory. I understood it would be visible only in the southern hemisphere at this time, so I sent emails to several astronomers in New Zealand and Australia. Dr. Andrew Williams of the Perth Observatory was kind enough to send me a lengthy reply:

"The 'paper', and all of the internet speculation about Elenin is complete nonsense. It's also not a refereed, published scientific paper. It has never been formally published, by anyone, in any form - the arXiv site is just a website, you can put whatever writings you want up there, with no review process or permission required. That arXiv website happens to be hosted at Cornell University - Omerbashich doesn't work at Cornell, and has absolutely nothing to do with Cornell, other than uploading his article to their website...

The article is full of meaningless pseudoscientific gibberish ('gravitational shadowing', etc), the statistics are ridiculous, and the data, as he's presented it, is useless to draw any conclusions from. By the time you consider the Earth, Sun, Moon, all the other planets, and this comet 'Elenin', there are dozens of combinations including the Earth and two or more other objects. If he's allowing each of these possible 'alignments' to last for three days (or an unspecified amount longer for ones involving the Sun), then an appreciable fraction of the entire year occurs just before or after one of these 'alignments'.

Look at the numbers. Earth can be paired up with any one of nine other objects, according to his table - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Elenin. Each of these 8 possible pairs 'sweeps out' an imaginary line, extending in both directions, around the rest of the Solar System, as both objects in the pair continue on their orbits. Then, out of these nine pairs, it's an 'alignment' if any one of the remaining 8 other objects happens to be in line with that pair - so there are 72 possible 'alignment' combinations, most of which happen many times per year, some less often, depending on the orbital period of the planets involved. If each lasts three (or more) days, I doubt there's a single day per year when he couldn't claim some sort of 'alignment'...

On top of that, earthquakes occur in clusters, by their very nature - typically a main shock and several aftershocks, or several shocks along the length of a fault, as the plate moves. Most of the 'earthquakes' listed in table 1 are aftershocks, or directly linked to a larger earthquake.

It might be possible to extract some meaning from his data if he'd presented a list of every possible 'alignment' of every combination of planets, comets, Sun and Moon, and counted how many of them coincided with major earthquakes (discounting aftershocks) - and more importantly, how many of them didn't.

As for comet Elenin being a moon of a brown dwarf, that's even more ridiculous. A brown dwarf is, as you point out, just like Jupiter, only heavier. It would be hotter - radiating a lot more infrared - and slightly larger. Like Jupiter, it wouldn't actually generate much visible light, however, like Jupiter, it would be perfectly good at reflecting sunlight - which is how we see Jupiter in the sky, and why it looks so bright.

If there really were a brown dwarf in the Solar System, 270 million kilometers away from Earth (as of May 4, according to JPL - closer now), it would look just like Jupiter, only three times closer, and nine times brighter. After the Sun and the Moon, it would be the brightest thing in the sky, by far, and even a toy telescope would easily show a disk, and bands of cloud. It would have been noticed...

Even if there was some mysterious jet-black non-reflective 'brown dwarf', which is physically impossible, the effects of its gravity would have been obvious for years - asteroids and planets would have been flung out of their orbits as it came in through the Solar System."

Andrew Williams

Ian Musgrave of Australia sent me to his blog for a rebuttal of the Omerbashich paper:
http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/201...rthquakes.html

For me, this topic has now been put to rest.
Cheers

[bennycog]

how many earthquakes do we get when saturn, or jupiter line with earth and the sun? or is their relationship with earth totally different?

[DoubleHelix]

Consider this - Could this be a smokescreen in order to trigger HAARP based Earthquakes on dates where the apparent Elenin is aligned with earth and other planetoids ? ? ?

[bennycog]

Just like using lord rael to blame god for other other harrp related activities..
opinion only.

either way they are using them dates for some kind of mischief the cheeky sh#ts.

[Shocking Display]

Posted by Vividity (here)
On another thread (GD) "Proof that Comet Elenin..." I posted the following last night, but it should be posted here as well:

Like many people I read the Omerbashich paper and was extremely concerned about the possibility of a brown dwarf orbiting our sun on the JPL provided Elenin trajectory. I understood it would be visible only in the southern hemisphere at this time, so I sent emails to several astronomers in New Zealand and Australia. Dr. Andrew Williams of the Perth Observatory was kind enough to send me a lengthy reply:

"The 'paper', and all of the internet speculation about Elenin is complete nonsense. It's also not a refereed, published scientific paper. It has never been formally published, by anyone, in any form - the arXiv site is just a website, you can put whatever writings you want up there, with no review process or permission required. That arXiv website happens to be hosted at Cornell University - Omerbashich doesn't work at Cornell, and has absolutely nothing to do with Cornell, other than uploading his article to their website...

The article is full of meaningless pseudoscientific gibberish ('gravitational shadowing', etc), the statistics are ridiculous, and the data, as he's presented it, is useless to draw any conclusions from. By the time you consider the Earth, Sun, Moon, all the other planets, and this comet 'Elenin', there are dozens of combinations including the Earth and two or more other objects. If he's allowing each of these possible 'alignments' to last for three days (or an unspecified amount longer for ones involving the Sun), then an appreciable fraction of the entire year occurs just before or after one of these 'alignments'.

Look at the numbers. Earth can be paired up with any one of nine other objects, according to his table - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Elenin. Each of these 8 possible pairs 'sweeps out' an imaginary line, extending in both directions, around the rest of the Solar System, as both objects in the pair continue on their orbits. Then, out of these nine pairs, it's an 'alignment' if any one of the remaining 8 other objects happens to be in line with that pair - so there are 72 possible 'alignment' combinations, most of which happen many times per year, some less often, depending on the orbital period of the planets involved. If each lasts three (or more) days, I doubt there's a single day per year when he couldn't claim some sort of 'alignment'...

On top of that, earthquakes occur in clusters, by their very nature - typically a main shock and several aftershocks, or several shocks along the length of a fault, as the plate moves. Most of the 'earthquakes' listed in table 1 are aftershocks, or directly linked to a larger earthquake.

It might be possible to extract some meaning from his data if he'd presented a list of every possible 'alignment' of every combination of planets, comets, Sun and Moon, and counted how many of them coincided with major earthquakes (discounting aftershocks) - and more importantly, how many of them didn't.

As for comet Elenin being a moon of a brown dwarf, that's even more ridiculous. A brown dwarf is, as you point out, just like Jupiter, only heavier. It would be hotter - radiating a lot more infrared - and slightly larger. Like Jupiter, it wouldn't actually generate much visible light, however, like Jupiter, it would be perfectly good at reflecting sunlight - which is how we see Jupiter in the sky, and why it looks so bright.

If there really were a brown dwarf in the Solar System, 270 million kilometers away from Earth (as of May 4, according to JPL - closer now), it would look just like Jupiter, only three times closer, and nine times brighter. After the Sun and the Moon, it would be the brightest thing in the sky, by far, and even a toy telescope would easily show a disk, and bands of cloud. It would have been noticed...

Even if there was some mysterious jet-black non-reflective 'brown dwarf', which is physically impossible, the effects of its gravity would have been obvious for years - asteroids and planets would have been flung out of their orbits as it came in through the Solar System."

Andrew Williams

Ian Musgrave of Australia sent me to his blog for a rebuttal of the Omerbashich paper:
http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/201...rthquakes.html

For me, this topic has now been put to rest.
Cheers

I agree. Stop building your bunkers. Mods close thread and .....out

[greybeard]

Regardless of the truth of it.
Its a question of priorities.
We are in this world for a short time.
So I think it is important to take care of one self and family and others as best you can.
Have extra food in etc in case the solar max creates problems getting money from cash machines and therefore food.
If nothing happens it wont go to waste.

My priority apart from that is to raise my personal spiritual energy as best I can by
Being kind to all life, including my own, no matter what.
Not always easy-- if it was everyone would hopefully do it all of the time..
So comet or brown star I am prepared as best I can be.

Chris

[giovonni]

from the thebarcaroller site
https://youtube.com/user/thebarcaroller

here's his outlook and perspectives in regards to this incoming cosmic object...?

Video checklist of the proposed key dates for the rest of 2011 from the passage of comet Elenin, with upto date JPL tracking and other alignments i have found.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pfsevq1Neww

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pfsev...re=uploademail

[JoeNashville]

Posted by nearing (here)
Here is Dr. Richard Muller's site:

http://muller.lbl.gov/teaching/physics10/pffp.html

If I had the time right now (my Board exam is on Friday!) I'd write to him to see how he feels about all of this, especially the Omerborish's paper about the earthquakes and alignments.

I read Muller's book Nemesis and it was great! I bought Physics for Future Presidents and look forward to reading that. I think I'll take the online course as well!

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
giovonni has graciously given the green light to post this here.

Check out the pdf for *very* interesting reading regarding the topic(s) here:

Posted by giovonni (here)
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Has anyone else read this paper? It is a good summary of the ins and outs of the ELEnin story, but has a couple of errors. One in particular says June 15 is a date of interest because that's when ELEnin enters the solar system. When in fact it entered our solar system over 10 years ago. Moreover it doesn't pass Mars to enter the inner solar system until about June 25, so I'm wondering what he meant by the June 15 date.

Personally I'm watching for June 14, because on that date ELEnin will be equal distance from the Sun and Earth and in the past that has caused several events. So I'm looking forward to that.

Posted by Vividity (here)
On another thread (GD) "Proof that Comet Elenin..." I posted the following last night, but it should be posted here as well:

Like many people I read the Omerbashich paper and was extremely concerned about the possibility of a brown dwarf orbiting our sun on the JPL provided Elenin trajectory...

... The article is full of meaningless pseudoscientific gibberish ('gravitational shadowing', etc), the statistics are ridiculous, and the data, as he's presented it, is useless to draw any conclusions from. By the time you consider the Earth, Sun, Moon, all the other planets, and this comet 'Elenin', there are dozens of combinations including the Earth and two or more other objects. If he's allowing each of these possible 'alignments' to last for three days (or an unspecified amount longer for ones involving the Sun), then an appreciable fraction of the entire year occurs just before or after one of these 'alignments'...

As for comet Elenin being a moon of a brown dwarf, that's even more ridiculous...

... Even if there was some mysterious jet-black non-reflective 'brown dwarf', which is physically impossible, the effects of its gravity would have been obvious for years - asteroids and planets would have been flung out of their orbits as it came in through the Solar System."

Andrew Williams

For me, this topic has now been put to rest.
Cheers

I came to the same conclusions about the Omerbashich paper when I read it some time ago, as he failed to prove a clear hypothesis.

Willams' additional comments are interesting because any 'scientist' who says that something is impossible is clearly not open minded. IMO a scientist should be open minded though skeptical, but not close minded. Making an ultimate decision based on one paper would be a flawed approach anyway. While a theory may seem 'ridiculous' it would appear like many others in modern science he has lost his objectivity. I personally, don't buy the planet alignment theory as the primary cause there could be more to it and I'm still open to the idea.

The reality is we still know squat about the way things really work in the cosmos and almost anything is possible. It could be another kind of dwarf planet or something totally different that is causing the events. Or it could be just coincidence.

I wish someone would ask these people how they explain the earthquakes that occurred on the alignment dates. I'd like to hear that. These 'scientists' seem to completely opposed to the idea before it happens, then completely silent afterward. I like to hear Williams' thoughts about the alignment events.

There is still much to learn and understand and for me I still need more data. I look forward to the next 6 months to see what happens!

[nearing]

JoeNashville:

Personally I'm watching for June 14, because on that date ELEnin will be equal distance from the Sun and Earth and in the past that has caused several events. So I'm looking forward to that.

Good one. I am also going to watch the alignments with the other planets as it is so close now. We may see NASA 'discover' some storms or other strange events on those planets on those days...

[greybeard]

Scientists rarely agree it would seem.
As said a true scientist has no agenda but to know the truth even if it it conflicts with their own training or theories. (a rare quality)
Pictures of twin suns seem to be of better quality now-- it seems that something is reflecting light from behind our sun as it rises.
True or not I dont know

Chris

[JoeNashville]

Posted by nearing (here)
JoeNashville:

Personally I'm watching for June 14, because on that date ELEnin will be equal distance from the Sun and Earth and in the past that has caused several events. So I'm looking forward to that.

Good one. I am also going to watch the alignments with the other planets as it is so close now. We may see NASA 'discover' some storms or other strange events on those planets on those days...

There is also an alignment of ELEnin, Mercury and the Sun on July 7, with Earth at almost 90 degrees, while Mars is at 120 degrees on the opposite side. There was some research in the 1950s by RCA into radio waves affected by planetary alignments with 120 degrees being significant. Those kind of alignments are big in astrology which I don't know much about. But it will be interesting to see if anything happens.


Something else I stumbled on today. I'm not sure what to make of it, but he makes the case it's evidence that ELEnin is a dwarf star...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=I8dxNKU8rws

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

The alignments will be and have been used as an alibi for earthquakes and such.

They have us by the balls as usual and who knows? this could be the big one. Checkmate or the F.F.E.T. event. Or something totally new that we haven't touched on yet. I'm leaning more to something new. Too many distractions are at play.

So before any more games are played or another earthquake comes and catches me this time round (which wouldn't surprise me)

My friend Steve has something he'd like to say to the guy who authorizes any mass killing for games sake. (30 seconds, please watch)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=H0cJBEMiN1c

Warmest regards

Ski- lol

[truthseekerdan]

For people who care to take notice...

Please try this exercise for yourself! You'll need to upload Google Sky's Infrared Viewer to see this. I wasn't as convinced so I had to see this for myself to believe it. If you've been sitting on the fence like me about ELEnin being a brown dwarf then try this and you will be completely convinced. You'll see how this dark object lines up perfectly with the trajectory of ELEnin from JPL's current coordinates.

There was a massive dark object captured by IRAS in 2007, and it's enormous in size! When you toggle off the infrared mode in Google Sky, it disappears from view indicating that ELEnin is indeed a brown dwarf star!

When IRAS mapped the entire sky in 2007, it mapped/captured this massive object, and we now have infrared footage from IRAS that proves this is indeed a brown dwarf star! Again, it's trajectory aligns perfectly with JPL's ELEnin coordinates and calculations. So, there's no denying this isn't a brown dwarf star anymore.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TOBLb2ZeACs

Much Love

[nearing]

Posted by SKIBADABOMSKI (here)
The alignments will be and have been used as an alibi for earthquakes and such.

They have us by the balls as usual and who knows? this could be the big one. Checkmate or the F.F.E.T. event. Or something totally new that we haven't touched on yet. I'm leaning more to something new. Too many distractions are at play.

So before any more games are played or another earthquake comes and catches me this time round (which wouldn't surprise me)

My friend Steve has something he'd like to say to the guy who authorizes any mass killing for games sake. (30 seconds, please watch)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=H0cJBEMiN1c

Warmest regards

Ski- lol

Hear, hear, Ski!

[nearing]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
For people who care to take notice...

Please try this exercise for yourself! You'll need to upload Google Sky's Infrared Viewer to see this. I wasn't as convinced so I had to see this for myself to believe it. If you've been sitting on the fence like me about ELEnin being a brown dwarf then try this and you will be completely convinced. You'll see how this dark object lines up perfectly with the trajectory of ELEnin from JPL's current coordinates.

There was a massive dark object captured by IRAS in 2007, and it's enormous in size! When you toggle off the infrared mode in Google Sky, it disappears from view indicating that ELEnin is indeed a brown dwarf star!

When IRAS mapped the entire sky in 2007, it mapped/captured this massive object, and we now have infrared footage from IRAS that proves this is indeed a brown dwarf star! Again, it's trajectory aligns perfectly with JPL's ELEnin coordinates and calculations. So, there's no denying this isn't a brown dwarf star anymore.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TOBLb2ZeACs

Much Love

How strange. I just tried to search for C/2010 X1 at the JPL site and got 0 results...

Can someone give me the coordinates for Elenin sometime in 2007 (while IRAS was working)?