Good & Bad, does it really exist ?

[crownme]

Waves o/

Good & Bad

oh i hear the objections of this thought

but does it relly exist ?

how do you know its bad ? how do you know its good ?

if you do not experience a murder, how can you know its bad? if it were never to have happened, how would you know ? you see the animals do it all the time through nature. so from a viewpoint were you have never been told what is bad and good, how would you know ?

if you werent pumped full from your TV and internett with this word love and finding your spouse, would you ever pursue it ? would you still dream of it ?

if money was never created, and you never herd of it, would you instinctly know that this has meening and can make you greedy ?

is there such a thing as good & bad ?

if you never experienced what is being told to you is bad, how do you relly know its bad ? without the experience of this "bad" thing, how would you know ? and beside when you experience the bad thing, not until then you really understand the "good" of it.

ive been bad to humans in my life, im far from perfect, and i never want to be perfect. that is the time when it is all over and i have no need to go on, im at the end if i ever become perfect, and then what do i have left to exist for ? nothing.

but my point is when ive been bad and "suffered" from it, ive said stuff i didnt meen, or i smashed something in anger. only then ive come to understand why i am that way, why i did it, it let me see the whole situation and not just this "good,love" thing. i got the whole spectre and then i could grow from it. and only after all i that i could show up and apologize for my actions and see that its ok.

was it bad ? was it good ? did god smithe me ? no, it was my experience of life, that i chose to experience to understand. to let life go and not judge it. its was neither good or bad.

its all an experience, either its war or love, povererty or greed. if you remove what you deed as "bad, would it be bad anymore then ? you have nothing to suport and hold love up. and it would cease to exist. would it not ?

as i say, how would you know without ever knowing about it ?

you can sit and say here and know, but we got all this, we have our history, we have evidence.... now.....

but would would the 50'th generation of this species know ? what if you travel 1 000 humans to another planet without any books or knowledge. you think their grandgrandchildren would know what war and poverty is ? a xbox ? beutiful sonatas that make your emotions flow ?

some of you humans deem youself as only good humans, righteous ones, clean ones, enlightened and ever loving light.
but did you know that light does create the shadows when you walk life ?

how can you claim this without claiming then also that you are the worst bastard to on this planet ? you have to even out the scale dont you ? and if you stand there judging bad and pointing your finger at it, you are indeed at the same level as the thing you are pointing at.
when you judge others you are no better, becouse that is a sign of never have experiencd what you are judging. couse you do not know. becouse the lack of experiencing it.

were ever you look on this planet were "civilization and society" have reached you see the billboards splitting apart and separating love and hate, poverty and rich, war and hippie.
dont you all see why you dont understand the world when you are willingly being programmed to choose sides of something thats man made and doesnt really exist in the universe..

it all is needed to come into creation, both this "good & bad ", the other would fade into the night without the other. so if you want to feel good, you better be ready on this planet to get hurt.

is there such a thing as good & bad ?

namaste

[RedeZra]

Posted by crownme (here)
is there such a thing as good & bad ?

if human consciousness is the highest authority then that question can be resolved by a poll ; )

but I'm afraid our ordinary consciousness is not the highest authority and so whatever we vote

we will not have the last say about it

[ulli]

If you have planned to go on a diet then "bad" is eating a big piece of cake.
If you find your child gone and a kidnapper is asking you to hand over your hardearned money, you would not be posting this thread.

If you want to contemplate being God and you divided your energy into two opposing forces which are when put together, the originators of fresh life, or else the short circuit of destruction, then the answer is "it's all good"

Context and consequence is everything.

[yaksuit]

"Good" and "bad" are just words with arbitrary value.

[jupiter]

As far as I know ,there are two trains of thought ,one being there is no good or evil just experience and the other being there is good and evil with the obligitory perpetual battle between the two.
Me personaly,I probably fall somewhere in between the two,however I do have one strict rule,the old do unto others number , there is a few more, no lying cheating or stealing .
You posed the question,if you didn`t know about murder would it be bad,that brings us back to the do unto others ,if you wouldn`t like to be murdered yourself,I guess it would be bad ,certainly not good.
However if you were a canibal and after a quick feed ,then thats another story
Kind regards James

[Tony]

This will depend on motivation and capacity/understanding.
There are varying levels of perception.
They are stepping stones.
One can use the same words but at each
level the meaning can change, become more accurate.

People need encouragement, when they reach a certain level of understanding,
then it's time to refine. What was satisfying, is no longer satisfying.

Tony

[ulli]

Refinement. If I have one belief, it is this: refinement as the ultimate goal.
It's opposite would be courseness?

Once you have determined your opposite poles and stated your preference you can start moving forward.
Until such time you can have fun looking at the world from the 360 degree position of the mountain top, but there is little room for movement up there.

[Tony]

No, room?......................... there is the whole of space!!!..........so I'm told!

[WolfRgue]

I believe Good and Bad exists. Just like Up and Down, Left and Right, Night and Day. How would one know what is good or bad without the other to balance it out? Its a point of view by which to determine your being. There are many examples of this in one's life. I can see things in my youth I thought were good, but today not so good, and vice versa. Just my simple take, I welcome other points of view.

[Jake]

We are amazing creatures with the ability to live and strive within a plethora of dualities. There can be no light without the dark, and vice verse. I often ponder this question when considering the realities of karma and reincarnation. Perhaps a karmic tie to a past life in which one has embraced the 'dark', does not get him 'punishment' in the next life, but the balance of learning about the light, now that the soul has learned about the dark. And vice verse. We all enter at our own levels of consciousness and awareness. I think it is more of a question of consciousness being at 'rest' or at 'play'. Somewhere out there, we are immersed in the light of pure being. We could not be focused and gathered in the light, were there not a darkness that surrounds. IMOE. I do not believe in a 'one size fits all' understanding of 'good and evil'. These concepts are merely points of view, and the journey is different for each of us. I read a book recently that tackled this subject, among others. The Key, a true encounter,,, by Whitley Streiber. (Fascinating read, I would recommend it to anyone)

[manny]

no one has the easy answer to good and bad.
all wars are fought with each side thinking they are good.
someone always wants to better the other person.
good ,bad is a way of perception to self.
you have to make your own mind up.

[Lefty Dave]

As cold and hot ...is all one thing...temperature
As up and down is all one thing...direction
So goes good and bad...behavior.

blessings

[ulli]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
No, room?......................... there is the whole of space!!!..........so I'm told!

You can keep it. The way I see things I am still connected to a body of 70% water, and I don't plan on becoming a frozen chicken.
As far as leaving the body goes in order to leap about in those frozen regions...
not my cuppa tea either.

Going to have some green tea right now, and later maybe go down to the river, I'm a valley person.

[DeDukshyn]

"good" and "bad" are mere variable constructs of the dualistic mind, held in place over time and between consciousnesses through agreements between those points of consciousness of a predetermined behaviour of how to react in given situations.

Is it real? As real as any other mental construct I guess. Awareness of what it really is makes it far less real - not understanding the big picture fully makes it more real to the observers, ironically enough, which adds to the trapping of our consciousness in a lower state of awareness.

This is why through the controlled media we are only ever fed stories of "good" and "bad" -- ever. everything is exposed to you in such a way to make you choose a side - the controllers don't even really care which side you take - they are looking to maintain the duality in your consciousness.

There's a point of trying to be as expanded in consciousness as possible - and this seems "good" or in the direction of "good", but at some point you have accept "good" and "bad" for what they are and accept them as just the mental constructs they are as they will limit conscious expansion if clung to.

I have replaced those words in my dialogue with much more accurate ones -- "desireable to me currently" / "Not desireable to me currently" / "desireable to the whole (in my opinion)" / "Not desireable to the whole (in my opinion)"

This is far more accurate and allows further expansion of consciousness beyond the limitations of a mind that still seees "right" or "wrong"

My 2 cents ;-)

[crownme]

hello

if i plan to go on a diet you say. you kno in my life it would be goodoo to eat me cake if i needs the sugar and sweets mby even a cookie too

so i do not consider that bad

what a scenario you put there, if i was in that situation i would do that and this.. you have no idea what this mind has seen, so why do you even dare to pretend you know ? but again, i do not see that as bad becouse i do not know the scenario you are trying to paint. i do not know if the envirorment to the kidnapper was the reson he was doing what he does. i do not know if someone is holding his family and dearest hostage and forcing him to kidnap others. i do not know anything. what if the ones getting kidnapped deserves it ?
or better yet, wants it ? what if its just a game and a dirty secret ?

the possibilities are endless. i could ramble on good and bad scenarios, but do i see that man who kidnapped in your scenario as bad ? no.

again you assume you know me. i do not play god. not do i belive in such a vain thing as a "god". so petty, so small. the want and ego to have something to worship you. not my cup of tea.

and furthermore i do not split this. i ask simple questions. and i certantly do not divide good and bad and put em against eachother. you humans can handle that buissniss fine alone

i do not see good and bad in the manner you describe. and i do not want to stand on this planet being forced to choose bad or good, god or the devil. thats madness

i chose it all when i chose to come here. i will not stand there pointing my finger at the president or fbi that they are bad. nor will i take the other side and use you for your naive loving beings.

i will not stand in the military and fight for freedom and peace.
i will not comply and join your loving naive herd of sheeps.

and i certantly dont wanna cover it all up and split it down to "Good & Bad" .

and if you tell others that you are all good and never done wrong and hate bad so much. then your a lieng pice of you know what. and by the standards on this planet that meens bad right ? then all is bad becouse all humans lie at one or another point. so if you are gonna split hairs with me i gots scalpel and lotso hair

namaste

[shijo]

Poison must be turned into medicine right?Out there and inside of ourselves.You know your own poison as do i know mine.And whats left when the poison dries up? Heaps more comes reigning down. Were all a work in progress , best to live in the present moment and enjoy... practise helps.Regards to all sincere and insincere seekers.

[Davidallany]

This will depend on motivation and capacity/understanding.
There are varying levels of perception.
They are stepping stones.
One can use the same words but at each
level the meaning can change, become more accurate.

People need encouragement, when they reach a certain level of understanding,
then it's time to refine. What was satisfying, is no longer satisfying.

Tony

How can one refine perception and reach the other levels, Tony? can you please explain more for our benefit. When you talk about motives I am thinking thus" Is it good to have a bad motive if the action is trivial or the thing one says is to hurt others in a very small way? "
Thank you.

[WolfRgue]

Posted by Lefty Dave (here)
As cold and hot ...is all one thing...temperature
As up and down is all one thing...direction
So goes good and bad...behavior.

blessings

I agree with the concept, but how do you measure?

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by WolfRgue (here)

Posted by Lefty Dave (here)
As cold and hot ...is all one thing...temperature
As up and down is all one thing...direction
So goes good and bad...behavior.

blessings

I agree with the concept, but how do you measure?

"Measure" is a simplified judgement. If you look at comparisons or judgements or measurements as merely the simple and temporary tools that they are, then they cease to be harmful. It's when we unconsciously apply those measurements in judgments of our surroundings and others, that they use us as their tool rather than the other way around. They just need to be kept in their place in the toolbox and only pulled out and used properly and with control, then cleaned and put away for the next time so they don't start causing trouble ;-)

[FrankoL]

Good and bad are the same thing. Like two sides of the same coin. You were born into current paradigm in order to experience and learn polarity.

If you are love and light type person it doesn't mean that you are positive. Also war and destruction is not negative. Both might have collateral effects on something/someone else. Therefore you can never tell what your actions were (positive or negative). In fact are both at the same time.

So, step by step you learn. In the end, if you are lucky enough, you may realize that it is/was so. There is no polarity. It is action/reaction/solution.