Galactic Federation Of Light and Ashtar Command - Are they AI? Negative ETs?

[Omni]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)
My personal opinion is the GFoL is a US government/TPTB psy op to continue the saviorship model of inaction. And to increase judgmental behavior. It also has a side job to discredit ET contactees. I'm sure it's more complicated then that.

Posted by DNA (here)
Why does Val Valarian warn against the dangers of the Ashtar collective/command an ET channeled group, but,,,gives his full endorsement of the chanelling of these andromadans by Alex Collier?

At least get your information right. Alex Collier adamantly discounts that he channels anything. He speaks of alleged face to face and telepathic contact, and does not channel messages.

Billy Meier advocates taking children away from their parents if the parents are too young(I forget the exact age, I think it was 30 years old for males if I remember correctly).

I hold opposing views to you DNA. I think Alex Collier is light years ahead of Billy Meier in terms of actual tangible messages. I also think he(Meier) is full of it and not to be trusted. Not that I'm saying he wasn't involved in some sort of legit psy op or ET contact.

But out of what, 30,000 pages of information, what of it has value? One explanation of telepathic hypnosis is the only thing I've ever seen gained from Billy Meier in terms of valid information. And I had already experienced it and spoke of it prior to hearing it from him. I just know it's legit.

Well you seem very passionate about your ideals I'll give you that.

I am not too passionate about Billy Meier or Alex Collier. My post was written with very little emotion.

In all of the Wendelle Stevens contact books, Wendelle looked for documentable evidence. Billy Meier has more than anyone out there. Billy has made multiple scientific and exploratory obervations before earth science ever even had a clue. This is proof of genius in my opinion.

First of all, being TOLD something and repeating it, does not take a genius...

Secondly, Billy Meier also has a lot of evidence of fraud against him.

If the words of Alex Collier sooth you with their promises, (unfullfilled) and their predictions (unfullfilled) and his tangible evidence (non-existant) then by all means continue your path as a devotee of Alex a disciple to his pleasent sounding voice. He does have a pleasent sounding voice, I will give you that.

What promises are you talking about? Both have things to discredit them. I think you have a bias TBH

By the way Here is A MESSAGE FROM THE ANDROMEDANS CHANNELLED BY ALEX COLLIER

Did you even read the beginning of the article? Quoted from the very beginning of the article:

"I would like to share something with you that Vasais had to say on the subject of intention. Vasais said, “the smallest piece....."

He is clearly talking about a conversation. Not a channeled message. If you knew much about Collier you would know he doesn't channel messages. The website made an error.

Your taking the Billy Meier message out of context, he is saying that child rearing should have much more thought behind it, and that people should be of a certain age before they have children, and they should show a level of responsibility in that regard before they do have children.

Unless what I read about him was false, he also wanted to incorporate rules, that a child gets taken from their parent if the parent is below 30 for males, and like 27 for females. He sponsored implementing this unless what I read was wrong(which I doubt). I took nothing out of context.

I personally think the most important difference in the messages of two is this.
The Billy Meier contacts say they are "not going to save us, not coming to our rescure, that we will only devolop autonomy if we learn these lessons on our own"
The Alex Collier contacts make promises, and in my opinion disempower through talk of "saving mankind".

The Andromedans speak of mentorship. Alex Collier himself has said numerous times they told him they aren't going to save us if I remember correctly. I've never heard a single time Collier say they were going to save us. You clearly have been getting your info from sources like Michael Horn. And clearly never even listened to Alex Collier. I've heard pretty much every video that has been released of his. Never heard him once say we are going to be saved by Andromedans. And especially nothing even close to anything disempowering. You have a right to your opinion regardless, but at least get your facts right.

If you seek further discourse and dialogue on the issue I suggest we do so at a specialized thread such as this one, or one of your choosing. Billy Meier VS Alex Collier
I appreciate your input on the GFL. It very well could be a government disinfo campaign, and that was my intuition when I met Barbara Marciniak face to face.

Sorry. Responding here as this is where the reply would be relevant, displacing it from this convo would probably not make sense, and also not be read by the same people reading the development of this thread. I've already spoke in the VS thread you made. I'll try to not post again though about this in this thread(Unless you post misinfo about Collier again).

[DNA]

Brother, I would like nothing more than believe Alex Collier. I have listened to his speaking engagements. He sounds like a nice guy. And I personally think Val Valarian is a genius (of sorts), one of the reasons I started the Billy Meier VS Alex Collier thread was in the hopes of learning valuable new information about Alex, in hopes that Michael Horn's accusations would be proven invalid.
But instead of folks showing me why I should give Alex a chance, all I heard were folks pointing out Meier's flaws. And Granted he has them.
But no one could give me documented cases as to enligten to the genius behind Alex.
People can post pictures of Billy's cheesy ray gun, cheesy wedding cake ship and faked dinosaur pictures all they want.
But, bottom line, Billy has the best pictures of UFOs out there that have gone through profesional spectral analysis and stood the test.
Metel alloy samples said to not be from this planet, and a host of amazing predicitons from his book written in 1975 that was reproduced by Wendelle Stevens in 1981 (I have a copy) telling of two IRAQ wars started by the USA.

And as far as this is concerned.

Posted by Omniverse (here)
Unless what I read about him was false, he also wanted to incorporate rules, that a child gets taken from their parent if the parent is below 30 for males, and like 27 for females. He sponsored implementing this unless what I read was wrong(which I doubt). I took nothing out of context.

This was an advised implementation to be phased in over decades if the world wanted to addresse it's overpopulation problems and faulty parenting problems.
On a personal note, before I ever heard of the Meiers material,,,,,I wrote a paper in college damning the welfare system of the united states, saying how it only enables child producing by faulty parents and I went on to taut a plan in which a license had to be obtained before legal child birth would be allowed.
Such a license would only be granted if sanity of the would be parents and economicle viability could be established.
I didn't even suggest taking children away from parents, just that they have a state sponsored guardian over see the goings on, and be responcible for funneling subsidies to the family if they be needed.

[Calz]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
There is light and dark. Answers are often found more in the dark than the light. Our wounded shadow self has darkness but we have to go there and examine it to bring the light in.

Hence the true beauty and power of your Margarita Lounge

All travel weary light workers can slide up to the dryer and quench their pallets with a few of those succulent salty ones.

The "dark side" can start to flow and balance is restored to the Universe and all is well.

[DNA]

Hi MoSh
You've given me quite a bit to comment on here.

Posted by MoSh187 (here)
Whether it's, plaideian aliens, Andromedans, ascended masters, dead spirits, ad infinitum... If you stop looking at these entities that come out of channeling as different beings... but instead look at them as the same beings!

I don't understand if you are stating this as a positve reflection of what is channelled or a negative reflection of channelling as a whole.
Regardless, I personally disagree with this statement.
I think there is a huge chunk of channelled information I think is negative.
I also think there is some decent stuff out there.
I think it important to be discerning,,,,,and to NOT treat it like one size fits all.

Posted by MoSh187 (here)
You have to put this in context with the very first types of channeled information which comes from Maddame Blavatsky, and Alice Bailey of the Theosophical society. Bailey, founded the Lucifer trust now Lucis trust, which prints and publishes Unite Nations Literature... Also Obama's campaign symbol was based on the Lucis trust symbol.

I personally think Jordan Maxwell's use of the rising sun in trying to create symbolic connections between everything is a tad stretched in my opinion.
The rising sun represents a new day,,,this is Jungian collective unconscious 101,,,we all live on the same planet.
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I also can not make a clean correlation between Blavatsky and what is going on now. Blavatsky said she was in telepathic communication with ascended masters who's then incarnation was in Tibet. So, she was telepathically talking to living people.
Blavatsky being hugely influenced by Gnostic literature, as I myself am, you can't take the whole satan thing at face value.
The Gnostics believe that the old testement god Yehwah was the blind idiot godling
who inslaves the spark of mankind by forcing us to reincarnate here.
The Gnostics also believe that the snake in the garden of eden was the first incarnation of Jesus.
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The entities that Delores Cannon talks to when her subjects are in deep hypnosis.

I don't trust that message. Just a personal thing.

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The truth movement is littered with "new age," concepts that comes straight from Luciferian Theosophy

Again, I don't know if you understand how gnostic scripture differs in major viewpoints here. Are you using Luciferian as a negative conontaiton?
Personally I'm a fan of Blavatasky.

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Michael Tsarion (Who thinks Blavatsky is one of the greatest scholars of all time),

As do I.
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This stuff all comes from the one world Religion of the New world order... And we ALL KNOW that the NWO Worship satan and do child sacrifice, bohemian grove, chapter 33, etc and on and on

Oh here we go. I finally understand you now.
Yea,,,,you are really getting caught up in this whole lucifer/devil thing.
It's the one knock on alex jones as far as I'm concerned,,,but hey,,,,it's tough looking at the world without a foundation belief system with which to rely on.

The error of your analogies and comparisons is that you don't understand Gnosticisim, and as such,,you don't understand Blavatsky.
Blavatsky's teachings have nothing in common with NWO bohemian grove stuff.
The word Gnostic is greek for "internal knowing" and the whole premise is more shamanic than religious.
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Again for the record I do appreciate and use some channelled material. I don't think it is all service to self, negative entitites.
There is some really good stuff out there.

Thanks for the input.
I appreciate your thoughts

[9eagle9]

Lol. Everything 'off' planet isn't an ascended master.

Or has been proven in anyway proven to be 'better' than humanity. Which further dehumanizes us.

People who have no concept of what ascended is are hardly qualified to determine what is ascended or mastery when they haven't yet learned to master themselves.

[greybeard]

I quote Dr David Hawkins.
Everything that you need to know about spirituality is to be found in form.

In other words any enlightened soul from the ancient vedas till now. That includes Shiva The Buddha Christ and others.
All saying the same thing.
No ancient secrets, all clear, God is to be found within.
The Father and I are one.
Every enlightened sage has said exactly the same thing.

Im not saying there is not extra terestial beings who may be more advanced than us spiritually.
Being more advanced does not mean they know more than a sage here in embodiment.
It just means they have taken on board the spiritual teachings.
Ascended masters were Masters here --- their word is documented here or they are not Masters.

We are all equal souls -- in this world are or else where.
We are God.
Why do we want to follow something lesser than ultimate truth?
God is within.

Chris

[Calz]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Lol. Everything 'off' planet isn't an ascended master.

Or has been proven in anyway proven to be 'better' than humanity. Which further dehumanizes us.

People who have no concept of what ascended is are hardly qualified to determine what is ascended or mastery when they haven't yet learned to master themselves.

Edgar Cayce's "dead Presbyterian" comments come to mind

[9eagle9]

YAY, your back!! I was afraid Jimmy Buffet flew down in his UFO and whisked you off to that fake commerical money making stuffed parrot margarita planet .

You were gone a long time I had time to perfect the skinny margarita and an orange one. The Tide with a touch of Febreze margarita was an utter fail.

Dark margaritas all around!

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
There is light and dark. Answers are often found more in the dark than the light. Our wounded shadow self has darkness but we have to go there and examine it to bring the light in.

Hence the true beauty and power of your Margarita Lounge

All travel weary light workers can slide up to the dryer and quench their pallets with a few of those succulent salty ones.

The "dark side" can start to flow and balance is restored to the Universe and all is well.

[DianeKJ]

, I am quite fond of Blackberry Margaritas. My sister and I are perfecting the recipe. It's an ongoing taste-test study, we have been working on it for years!

[MoSh187]

Interesting DNA. Usually people who are Pro Ascension will say things like... you just don't understand it etc. I just don't buy that at all. I haven't articulated my explanation yet but I will at some point. I can't remember which David Icke video it was... but in it he was talking about the ascended master which he thinks is controlled by the same force that the Illuminati are. He was in touch with ascended master in his early days and they were responsible for his two first books. some of what's in his first book closely mirrors almost word for word what was in Bailey's material. I don't think he ripped her off... I really think that whatever entities she was talking to also talked to him. Keep in mind this is also the time he was going on television making all of these end of the world predictions that never came true.

So even by David Icke's experience... he never really openly talks about it but I think he knows he was a victim of these entities posing as ascended masters. His first two books reflect them so well... but nowadays he says they are controlled like the Illuminati. I just find that interesting.

[9eagle9]

PRO or CON ascension?. That's like saying there's pro or con breathing. Ascension just happens when one allows it to happen. To some people it begins to happen until they are misled by a bunch of gobbedly gook and the process halts, and some are well under way in the process but they are still normal breathing human beings. And they will admit to being as such. They uncovered a few facets of themselves that have previously not been expressed.

I'm sure lots of people are con Ascension because of all the BS out there about it. Good for them. They are at least not buying into even more dense construct making. But pro ascenscion people are often times the ones spreading it around so it makes them con ascension by default. I assure you that people in the process don't turn into saints, cooing Sweetie, Baby love and Darling we are coming to save you and pirouetting about with magick wands like their in a girdle commercial.

Its a very simple precept that can be shown in five minutes, and then its up to the person who desires it keep practicing it. Some one gobbedly gooked the concept up to make it appear mystical or that people are shrouded by crystal clouds or they are 'masters at ascension' which further interrupts the process. Who is going to go to a higher level of expression when one keeps cluttering themselves up with a lot of density.

I doubt that anyone who is all hyped up on the Ascension train could even tell me what their expectations of it are. The same way Lightworkers can't give an apt description of the light they claim to work in. Its something you do for yourself not something that happens to you. . One has the abiity to access other levels of existence , to see this 'reality' for what it really is, NOW here in our own density, which is why SOME people know that the GFL is-a construct. Among MANY of them and lots of people have been deceived by them daily, hourly, minute by minute which just creates more density . You can't tell them that because its literal brainwash and we know that you can't break brainwash simply by telling people they are conditioned.

But to explain the process is mundane and boring and not all magical unicorns and etheric clouds so people go chasing rainbows and gurus on flying carpets which means they want rainbows and flying carpets not an ascension process. They want what they don't want. And thats fine. But they have to muddy the waters of what Ascension is for the rest of the people who want something real and DEMONSTRATES itself while they are off looking for their genie in a bottle.

A lot of people have been taken in by psuedo Ascended Masters which is why we are discussing the topic.Some people have risen (ascended?) above it and see it for what it is.It doesn't make them masters but they have at least that particular portion of the matrix game. We are examining things that are constructs, that pose as ascended masters.

We have a lot of people on earth that we have actual access to higher expression to that are mastering ascencion. Like Chris. Why do we not nominate him as an Ascended Master?

Because he wouldn't allow it understanding what humility is, and that people who are expressing on a higher level don't walk around in a light ship or robe with one finger pointed to the sky proclaiming "'Im an ascended master."

Yeah and I'm this months' playmate of the month.

Oh gawd not plain old boring Chris who doesn't ride a magickal pegasus but just speaks a lot of higher expression (HIGHER=Ascended)wisdom, we can't have that! How dull! We have to invisible people hovering in the mothership flown by blue unicorns and proppelled by faery wings.

If we need people to coo 'beloved and darlings' at us why don't we go find a mommy? Because I'm thinking that is what people are looking for a parental figure to keep them safe (save them), not their own higher self authority. Its an internal process and there's nothing 'out there' that is external that is going to change that or help it along The only people currently preventing themselves of entering this process...is themselves. By their own choice.

Ascension means what it means. HIGHER . Higher expression. If it was a matter of climbing up a ladder the local roofing contractor with his butt crack hanging out for all the world to see would be an ascended master.

[TWINCANS]

Redezra, does your computer use anything other than italic case? Just wundrin'

[9eagle9]

Posted by DianeKJ (here)
, I am quite fond of Blackberry Margaritas. My sister and I are perfecting the recipe. It's an ongoing taste-test study, we have been working on it for years!

That was what I had in mind precisely for a dark margarita, Blackberry or Blueberry....

Plus I like that 'sinister' aspect. A sort of Darth Vaderish cocktail...

[Calz]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
YAY, your back!! I was afraid Jimmy Buffet flew down in his UFO and whisked you off to that fake commerical money making stuffed parrot margarita planet .

You were gone a long time I had time to perfect the skinny margarita and an orange one. The Tide with a touch of Febreze margarita was an utter fail.

Dark margaritas all around!

Not back yet but working our way there ... have better (but not yet good) net connection.

Any reason for margaritas on the house sounds great to me though

Did you let the server go who kept mistakenly adding detergent to the complimentary salsa for chips???

[DNA]

Posted by MoSh187 (here)
Interesting DNA. Usually people who are Pro Ascension will say things like... you just don't understand it etc. I just don't buy that at all. I haven't articulated my explanation yet but I will at some point.

I apologise if I came off assuming.
Ascension isn't really in my vocabulary.
I'm not ascended and I don't know anyone who is ascended. I picked up Blavatsky because her creation mythos is identical to Edgar Cayce's, and because of her immense influence on one of my favorite authors HP LOVECRAFT. She doesn't seem to be overly preocupied with asension.

Posted by MoSh187 (here)
I can't remember which David Icke video it was... but in it he was talking about the ascended master which he thinks is controlled by the same force that the Illuminati are. He was in touch with ascended master in his early days and they were responsible for his two first books. some of what's in his first book closely mirrors almost word for word what was in Bailey's material. I don't think he ripped her off... I really think that whatever entities she was talking to also talked to him. Keep in mind this is also the time he was going on television making all of these end of the world predictions that never came true.

Maybe we could find common ground if instead of the word ascended master we used the word astral entity.
I think there are ALL kinds of vibrational or dimensional levels if you will,,,,,,,,,,for ease of reference folks ussually term them the fourth dimension and above.
Lots of astral parasites and strange entities formally of the third dimension (our lovely dimension) stay in 4D rather than move on to the fifth dimension or above where they would be subject to universal law (the house rules) and continue on their paths of learning by returning to the third dimension to reincarnate.
Fourth D astrals have the most to gain by slobbering around in our D, and that is why one should look before you leap when channellers are concerned.

Bailey and Blavatsky could have been talking to different folks.
I've never personally read any of Bailey's material.
I also don't really have a stance on David Icke. I'm familiar with his work, I just don't know if I agree with it.

Posted by MoSh187 (here)
So even by David Icke's experience... he never really openly talks about it but I think he knows he was a victim of these entities posing as ascended masters. His first two books reflect them so well... but nowadays he says they are controlled like the Illuminati. I just find that interesting.

For the record I absolutely think there are negative things going bump in the night.
And the bohemian grove stuff,,,,,I don't doubt that stuff is going on.
Scares the crap out of me really. Going in depth about all the documented cases of pedophilia, sex abuse, ritual murder.
Are there 4D monsters inhabiting such men? I think so. I really do.
Again,,,,,the ascended master thing,,,,,,,I just don't use that word,,,,too confusing for me to use in a negative sense.


Take Care MoSh
Thanks for the input
DNA

[sshenry]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I quote Dr David Hawkins.
Everything that you need to know about spirituality is to be found in form.

In other words any enlightened soul from the ancient vedas till now. That includes Shiva The Buddha Christ and others.
All saying the same thing.
No ancient secrets, all clear, God is to be found within.
The Father and I are one.
Every enlightened sage has said exactly the same thing.

Im not saying there is not extra terestial beings who may be more advanced than us spiritually.
Being more advanced does not mean they know more than a sage here in embodiment.
It just means they have taken on board the spiritual teachings.
Ascended masters were Masters here --- their word is documented here or they are not Masters.

We are all equal souls -- in this world are or else where.
We are God.
Why do we want to follow something lesser than ultimate truth?
God is within.

Chris

Thank you for this Chris.

History has shown that there are always those who are willing to turn over this knowledge and the power that it invests in each and every one of us for the assurance that someone else is taking responsibility for their well-being and to avoid having to take responsibility for themselves.

I don't understand it, but I suppose if that is where they are on their individual journey, then perhaps they have to experience what they are NOT before they can actually accept who and what they really are.

[Omni]

Posted by MoSh187 (here)
Interesting DNA. Usually people who are Pro Ascension will say things like... you just don't understand it etc. I just don't buy that at all. I haven't articulated my explanation yet but I will at some point. I can't remember which David Icke video it was... but in it he was talking about the ascended master which he thinks is controlled by the same force that the Illuminati are. He was in touch with ascended master in his early days and they were responsible for his two first books. some of what's in his first book closely mirrors almost word for word what was in Bailey's material. I don't think he ripped her off... I really think that whatever entities she was talking to also talked to him. Keep in mind this is also the time he was going on television making all of these end of the world predictions that never came true.

So even by David Icke's experience... he never really openly talks about it but I think he knows he was a victim of these entities posing as ascended masters. His first two books reflect them so well... but nowadays he says they are controlled like the Illuminati. I just find that interesting.

Mosh I have the same theory myself, and I believe I am dealing myself with these forces. So it's no baseless theory.

They even blatantly told me they had sabotaged and infiltrated to some degrees David Icke. They said that he was chosen [or foreseen] for his role in humanity before it happened(like they claimed I was). Often the people chosen or foreseen to have an impact will be mind controlled to majorly character assassinate themselves before they are fully aware of the full picture of who they are up against. And before(but sometimes after) they become well known.

The AI said that 'the same group that does things to me' is behind Icke saying he was "the son of the godhead". They tried to convince me of similar things. You can usually tell who these forces have infiltrated. They often claim they are Jesus reincarnated. Or quetzalcoatl(sp). Things like that. They have tried to get me to believe I was related to Jesus, and also WAS Jesus(although they did these two different illusions at different times). It's conclusive to me they do these things. And when I see it popping up(or something similar) it speaks to me the same tactics are in place.

The point of getting someone to claim they were Jesus is to discredit them in a major way. Even if they were Jesus, stating who one was in past lives if it speaks of greatness is not a wise thing to do. I would keep it to myself if I knew I was Einstein or something(which they have also tried to make me think with fabricated[or I suppose real but not likely] past life cognitions).

[MariaDine]

Someone saying he is Jesus ? ....LOL....You mean that Maitreia guy ? the guy that appears in a video in one of Avalon threads ? ....Oh, that guy is hilarious. I haven't laugh so much since I saw Monty Python « Life of Brian».

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by cellardoor (here)
The interference was done to an already evolving terrestrial 2d mammal this was done in the times of lemuria, and atlantis untill the great flood.

Can you explain to me an animal living in just two dimensions?

I'm really amazed people throw around these terms, without thinking about it at all.

Posted by cellardoor (here)
There is no archaeological evedence to suggest that we were dumbed down, only that miraculous mass evolution, occured.

Oh no?

Explain how your hipocampus is the size it is today, and as potent as tooth on its bad day. If the manipulations continued, it would reach a size of a grain of rice.

Also, care to explain how we have ended up with organs in our body that don't have any function at all?

Why we use only 8% of our brain potential no matter how much we try to advance?

I think the evidence is overwhelming.

Posted by RedeZra (here)
why believe what modern people tell without a shred of evidence ?[/I]

And there is evidence of angels or fallen angels for that matter?

I'm not well versed in angeology and demonology (I should pick up these subjects soon, as recently my mind has been revolving around topics like history, anthropology and human evolution, and its been a mindf*ck to be honest, I could use some chilling out with biblical poetry).

What I have heard, of some people who claim to be experts in this field is that angels really do have wings and they are born from eggs. I used to be fascinated by this as a kid, till bringing it up to some who have been to 'heaven' and back laughing in my face about it. Nevemrind that though.

Is there an angel feather I could analyze? Assuming their wings are as real as its said, by flapping them like all other animals a feather or two should fall, at the very least.

Or maybe the egg shell?

I know a thing or two in terms of biology, I might put out the basic data before others, more competent than me, confirm or deny this.

I also would find it weird that angels are born from eggs, if I were you. Reptiles are born from eggs as well. Just saying ...

[RedeZra]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

And there is evidence of angels or fallen angels for that matter?

I also would find it weird that angels are born from eggs, if I were you. Reptiles are born from eggs as well. Just saying ...

angels are not physical and therefore they are not born from eggs ; )

every culture and religion on earth share this tradition about the existence of ethereal entities

but there is no way to hold an ethereal feather in the hand

Posted by TWINCANS (here)
Redezra, does your computer use anything other than italic case? Just wundrin'

; )