Galactic Federation Of Light and Ashtar Command - Are they AI? Negative ETs?

[9eagle9]

There's enough channeled information from Archangels Tootsie and Bambie that has been posted recently on this forum that one should be able to determine for themselves.....

[loveandgratitude]

TO ALL AT AVALON

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

And there is evidence of angels or fallen angels for that matter?

I also would find it weird that angels are born from eggs, if I were you. Reptiles are born from eggs as well. Just saying ...

angels are not physical and therefore they are not born from eggs ; )

every culture and religion on earth share this tradition about the existence of ethereal entities

but there is no way to hold an ethereal feather in the hand

Answer me this then:

1 - Why do ethereal beings have the need to display wings or winged appendages?

2- Why do ethereal beings have the need for starships?

3- Why do ethereal beings have the need to mess with our civilization to the degree where they would punish somebody to an eternal torment for non-compliance?

4- Why do ethereal beings keep pushing religious indoctrination like many cult leaders?

[Meadowlark]

Posted by DNA (here)
It was then that I realized that these flowery types who claim to channel angelic/aliens and the sort, can be very dangeous.
For one thing, aliens who respected your autonomy would never present themselves as something superior to you in any form(angelic), for they would never want you to subjucate your autonomy in any way by having you elevate their voice above your own.

I'm also suspicious of any so-called benevolent ETs who don't fully respect our sovereignty and autonomy. I'm not saying they're all bad, but I'm wary of the messages they give.

I've followed Miriam Delicado and I've generally been impressed with her. She says she's in contact with the Pleiadians also, but she says they've been very clear about encouraging our autonomy and saying the they aren't here to save us-- we'll have to do that ourselves. So I'm curious about what DNA, OnyxKnght, and Omniverse think about her.

[Calz]

Riddle me this Avalonians.

What is everyone's opinion of whether or not there is a *BALANCE* in the Universe???

Perhaps it not answerable on this level ... but seems a reasonable query in lieu of the train of thought in this thread.

[TWINCANS]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

And there is evidence of angels or fallen angels for that matter?

I also would find it weird that angels are born from eggs, if I were you. Reptiles are born from eggs as well. Just saying ...

angels are not physical and therefore they are not born from eggs ; )

every culture and religion on earth share this tradition about the existence of ethereal entities

but there is no way to hold an ethereal feather in the hand

Posted by TWINCANS (here)
Redezra, does your computer use anything other than italic case? Just wundrin'

; )

Thx for straightening it out for me.

[Lazlo]

I rarely see it mentioned that all of the references to the GFL, Ashtar, higher dimensional entities, etc is analagous to how we view "primitive" tribes in the Amazon.
They have been existing quite happily for a very long time before the "technology superior visitors from far away" came along and put them on a reservation, tried to convert them to the worship of foreign gods, and then started stealing their resources. Are their lives fundamentally better now that they have been contacted and interfered with by an "advanced" group?

It's all cultural relativism.

How about they leave us alone and let us work this out on our own, for good or bad. Chris is absolutely right. The answers come from within and we don't need, nor should we expect, any saviour.

[9eagle9]

Rest assured they will leave us alone. Mostly.

The are only real to the people who invest in that sort of thing. For people who invest in what is real...different story. They create their own destiny.

I have to admit though as much as that crap grits my teeth, when the ufo lands and the adherents walk in one by one I will be the first to give them my blessing as they wave bye bye.

[Calz]

Posted by Lazlo (here)
I rarely see it mentioned that all of the references to the GFL, Ashtar, higher dimensional entities, etc is analagous to how we view "primitive" tribes in the Amazon.
They have been existing quite happily for a very long time before the "technology superior visitors from far away" came along and put them on a reservation, tried to convert them to the worship of foreign gods, and then started stealing their resources. Are their lives fundamentally better now that they have been contacted and interfered with by an "advanced" group?

It's all cultural relativism.

How about they leave us alone and let us work this out on our own, for good or bad. Chris is absolutely right. The answers come from within and we don't need, nor should we expect, any saviour.

Cannot speak first hand ... but allegedly the aboriginal tribes in oz do (or did) a lot of oobe to visit folk all over the universe.

Not a rarity or limited to the tribe shaman ... what they did for "entertainment" (sounds a helluva lot more fun than television)

[Lazlo]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by Lazlo (here)
I rarely see it mentioned that all of the references to the GFL, Ashtar, higher dimensional entities, etc is analagous to how we view "primitive" tribes in the Amazon.
They have been existing quite happily for a very long time before the "technology superior visitors from far away" came along and put them on a reservation, tried to convert them to the worship of foreign gods, and then started stealing their resources. Are their lives fundamentally better now that they have been contacted and interfered with by an "advanced" group?

It's all cultural relativism.

How about they leave us alone and let us work this out on our own, for good or bad. Chris is absolutely right. The answers come from within and we don't need, nor should we expect, any saviour.

Cannot speak first hand ... but allegedly the aboriginal tribes in oz do (or did) a lot of oobe to visit folk all over the universe.

Not a rarity or limited to the tribe shaman ... what they did for "entertainment" (sounds a helluva lot more fun than television)

Graham Hancock took it right to the edge in "Supernatural", but stopped short of saying that this was extraterrestrial, but the book definitely leaves the impression that he believes that it is trans-dimensional. Used by Shaman the world over, in every place you look, and even back to the paleolithic. Accessed through altered states of consciousness, be they induced by ritual or chemical means. There is a very interesting section in the book where he discusses the entities who control the switchboard. I uh, ahem, cough, cough, experimented when I was much younger, and while I didn't make any small talk with "others", I definitely felt like I hooked into someone who was watching.

[loveandgratitude]

A good interview to describe the difference between angels, humans and the different frequencies that allow each of us to receive our own perceptions of reality. A great interview by posted by Daviddallany.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...553#post243553

Angels are all around us, most of us know this.
Some are too cynical or busy to notice.
Some think they just have wings and fly.
but others don't even question why.
They look like you and me. They all have a purpose.
They are only here to guide us and serve us.
How many times have we said,"That was close!"
and went on to feel depressed and morose?
We never even thought of how lucky we are
to have these angels provide us with care.
So next time you see the beggar on the street
remember to greet him and be real sweet
For it just might be a test from God
to see how loving you'll be to this sot.
So get in your car or catch the bus
But please don't forget whose watching over us.
Thank them and cherish them and give them the praise
and you will be blessed the rest of your days

[DNA]

Posted by Meadowlark (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
It was then that I realized that these flowery types who claim to channel angelic/aliens and the sort, can be very dangeous.
For one thing, aliens who respected your autonomy would never present themselves as something superior to you in any form(angelic), for they would never want you to subjucate your autonomy in any way by having you elevate their voice above your own.

I'm also suspicious of any so-called benevolent ETs who don't fully respect our sovereignty and autonomy. I'm not saying they're all bad, but I'm wary of the messages they give.

I've followed Miriam Delicado and I've generally been impressed with her. She says she's in contact with the Pleiadians also, but she says they've been very clear about encouraging our autonomy and saying the they aren't here to save us-- we'll have to do that ourselves. So I'm curious about what DNA, OnyxKnght, and Omniverse think about her.

I for one would like to hear some more substance from Delicado so I could make a more informed opinion about her.
I've listened to her first Camelot video, and this is all I got out of it. She likes the Hopi. She thinks that the four corners area will be a safe area if/when sh!t starts hitting the fan.
She could have said that in like five minutes yet she goes on and on and on about,,,,well,,,,,,a whole lot of nothing.
If anyone else got anything out of her videos please let me know.
I for one thought listening to her was about as pleasent and entertaining as getting my teeth pulled.

Posted by Lazlo (here)
Graham Hancock took it right to the edge in "Supernatural", but stopped short of saying that this was extraterrestrial, but the book definitely leaves the impression that he believes that it is trans-dimensional. Used by Shaman the world over, in every place you look, and even back to the paleolithic. Accessed through altered states of consciousness, be they induced by ritual or chemical means. There is a very interesting section in the book where he discusses the entities who control the switchboard. I uh, ahem, cough, cough, experimented when I was much younger, and while I didn't make any small talk with "others", I definitely felt like I hooked into someone who was watching

.

Graham Hancock is so the freaking man. If I ever was to go homo for a guy, it would be Graham.
Did I share too much?
Graham took the vine of dimensional fortitued in South America.
That takes balls in my opinion.
I have got to read this book. Supernatural and Entangled go together like PB&J from what I'm hearing.
Entities that control the switchboard?? That sounds a lot like the stuff we are talking about at another thread.Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings (shamelessly looking for a bump)

Through meditation and experimentation myself.
(You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs,,,,or in this case social constraint(chains)paradigms)
I have broken through and seen what seem to be those at the switchboard myself.
Second post here. Holographically Projected Human/Alien Healers (I'm really shamelesly looking for a bump here as well)

Appreciate you input Lazlo.

[MariaDine]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

And there is evidence of angels or fallen angels for that matter?

I also would find it weird that angels are born from eggs, if I were you. Reptiles are born from eggs as well. Just saying ...

angels are not physical and therefore they are not born from eggs ; )

every culture and religion on earth share this tradition about the existence of ethereal entities

but there is no way to hold an ethereal feather in the hand

Answer me this then:

1 - Why do ethereal beings have the need to display wings or winged appendages?

2- Why do ethereal beings have the need for starships?

3- Why do ethereal beings have the need to mess with our civilization to the degree where they would punish somebody to an eternal torment for non-compliance?

4- Why do ethereal beings keep pushing religious indoctrination like many cult leaders?

1 - The light that comes from energy centers and spread sideways give the impression of wings.
2 - Acording to Urantia book there are multi dimensional beings in our universe. Galactic, planetary...each «star» has a evolucionary «conscience». Ethereal beings , but denser because they are closer to 4D, need denser veicules to space travel. Density seems to be a question of vibration.
3 - Not all beings chose the same thing. What you see as eternal torment, for them is a source of energy.
4 - Bellow as Above. (Hermes Trismesgistus) Consciences in evolucionary process.

[RedeZra]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

1 - Why do ethereal beings have the need to display wings or winged appendages?

2- Why do ethereal beings have the need for starships?

3- Why do ethereal beings have the need to mess with our civilization to the degree where they would punish somebody to an eternal torment for non-compliance?

4- Why do ethereal beings keep pushing religious indoctrination like many cult leaders?

there are ethereal entities in the terrestrial infernal and celestial spheres

since they are not bogged down by physicality then how much mentally superior do you think they are compared to us ?

they can mess with your sense of reality big time ; )



angels are portrayed with wings as they are lightbodies

humans imagine they must have wings to traverse space


it's in Hollywood we see starships and in a virtual reality ; )


today we have an infernal infestation in the world since the PTB are in leauge with them and invites them

they do not preach religion but nuage ; )

[Fred Steeves]

I finally saw all I needed to see of GFL about a year and a half ago when they just couldn't help "themselves" and touted Obama's health care scam as a promising sign for the future of mankind.

Fred said bye bye to these enlightened saviors.


Cheers,
Fred

[9eagle9]

This is how a part of this is constructed and that is through ourselves--media, Hollywood, etc etc.

People in a state of arrested development. Some portion of their maturation process was halted. I've experienced this myself but it exhibited in a different way. Not a fascination with channeled material but an inability to manage my life very well. Instead of allowing myself the notion that someone was going to manage my life for me , things were just in shambles all the time, like a college dorm room because that's where an aspect of my development got stalled at. Once I kicked stared it again I could manage my life much better, I ran it instead of it running me.

I was in that half way place. I knew enough to know that no one was going to manage MY life and all that that implies, but I wasn't doing such a hot job of it either.

We have been given this life to manage. For US to manage not some airy faery crap hovering conveniently in some invisible place like the OT God, and not some PTB group that just encourages this crap, not because they hate us, but because they prosper and grow wealthy from the inability of people to manage their own lives. Now when you express a vapid slavish belief in this crap you are sending a clear message. " I don't want to manage my own life." Hey face it, if our kids burped up a thousand dollars every time they failed to manage the responsibilities we've given them to manage how anxious would we be to encourage them to manage their life. If we are honest and not come back with pious dishonest statements like "I don't care about money." People who claim they don't care about money care very much about it because the care enough to have to remind people of that pious fact of their existence repeatedly. People who don't care about material things don't mention money hardly at all good, bad or indifferent.

So..when you are tacitly shouting out to the universe that you don't want to manage your life, .something will step through that door and manage it for you. The PTB, something, someone will take up that empty space. Law of attraction call it that, call it whatever, that's what it is. And people who don't want to manage their lives come off as what....? Very immature?

Yes. You've noticed this. We've noticed this.

This is why this flowery bs , is so faery tale sounding, and is presented in this fashion. It operates through peoples arrested development. If one has noticed much of this drivel reminds one of feminine hygiene product commercials or cartoon characters it is because.....people in a state of arrested development identify with stuff like that. First in youth when we are inundated with cartoons, and commercials, and then again as adults we are inundated with subliminated media.. Its keyed into our psyche LONG before we ever hear or see the channeled material, and when the channeled material hits it 'it resonates' it pings on what the mind has already been conditioned with. So it sounds familiar. It may even evoke the 'safe' feeling of childhood which is very tempting. Childhoods when our lives were managed for us. Which is deliberate emotional manipulation.

two) Much of this channeled garbage has a core value of 'savior'. Most of us where conditioned with messiah and savior religions and conditioning. Not all of us but quite a lot of us. The core value is the same as Christianity" a magickal being is going to save you." Just the names have changed and some 'lite' embellishment has been added to make one think they are not in a partiachal belief system again. But they are. 'Lite' patriachal. These magickal beings could exist

So that too resonates because it pings on our pre conditioned belief it resonates because its familiar seeming, therefore 'comforting', even if its not in anyway truthful or even credible when you break it all down. And you can break ALL Of it down and find its core values in things we've already been conditioned with. Religions, advertising, cartoons and other media. Clean all those crap and filters out of you and you really get an eyeful of what is ACTUALLY going on.

Now when you start doing inner landscape work and find out where the aspect or aspects of one self has been arrested via core values core beliefs, one begins to see this stuff for what it really is. YOU SEE IT on all levels, not just the words and voices but all of it, for what it is because our conditioning drives our perception.

Those who never had the core value, belief or arrested development see it for what it is right out of the starting gate.

Does anyone know where the text that I just posted came from?

[Omni]

Posted by Meadowlark (here)
I've followed Miriam Delicado and I've generally been impressed with her. She says she's in contact with the Pleiadians also, but she says they've been very clear about encouraging our autonomy and saying the they aren't here to save us-- we'll have to do that ourselves. So I'm curious about what DNA, OnyxKnght, and Omniverse think about her.

I haven't been subjected to her info yet. I am wary(but open minded) of all sources that have gained notoriety as to possibly not having all truth involved. There are capable illusionists at play in the game of reality and explaining reality. I couldn't say any opinion on Mrs Delicado's information. But if she has everything right I'd be very surprised(and pleased).

[amalie65]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by cellardoor (here)
The interference was done to an already evolving terrestrial 2d mammal this was done in the times of lemuria, and atlantis untill the great flood.

Can you explain to me an animal living in just two dimensions?

I'm really amazed people throw around these terms, without thinking about it at all.

Posted by cellardoor (here)
There is no archaeological evedence to suggest that we were dumbed down, only that miraculous mass evolution, occured.

Oh no?

Explain how your hipocampus is the size it is today, and as potent as tooth on its bad day. If the manipulations continued, it would reach a size of a grain of rice.

Also, care to explain how we have ended up with organs in our body that don't have any function at all?

Why we use only 8% of our brain potential no matter how much we try to advance?

I think the evidence is overwhelming.

Posted by RedeZra (here)
why believe what modern people tell without a shred of evidence ?[/I]

And there is evidence of angels or fallen angels for that matter?

I'm not well versed in angeology and demonology (I should pick up these subjects soon, as recently my mind has been revolving around topics like history, anthropology and human evolution, and its been a mindf*ck to be honest, I could use some chilling out with biblical poetry).

What I have heard, of some people who claim to be experts in this field is that angels really do have wings and they are born from eggs. I used to be fascinated by this as a kid, till bringing it up to some who have been to 'heaven' and back laughing in my face about it. Nevemrind that though.

Is there an angel feather I could analyze? Assuming their wings are as real as its said, by flapping them like all other animals a feather or two should fall, at the very least.

Or maybe the egg shell?

I know a thing or two in terms of biology, I might put out the basic data before others, more competent than me, confirm or deny this.

I also would find it weird that angels are born from eggs, if I were you. Reptiles are born from eggs as well. Just saying ...

Oh my goodness! I have never heard from anyone that which you have heard: angels hatched from eggs, with real feathers, etc. I believe that some people cannot believe in another plane of existence and simply must make reference to that which they are comfortable like wings of real feathers. The hatched from egg thing....seriously I would question their motives behind, in a sense, satirizing angels. WOW.

[MoSh187]

Posted by MariaDine (here)
Someone saying he is Jesus ? ....LOL....You mean that Maitreia guy ? the guy that appears in a video in one of Avalon threads ? ....Oh, that guy is hilarious. I haven't laugh so much since I saw Monty Python « Life of Brian».

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA

The Maitreya from Benjamin Creme is, I think just a distraction. It's to build hype about the anti christ. Although Creme has destroyed his reputation MANY MANY times by saying he was already on tv and made himself public.... when none of it is true.

[RedeZra]

Posted by MoSh187 (here)
The Maitreya from Benjamin Creme is, I think just a distraction. It's to build hype about the anti christ. Although Creme has destroyed his reputation MANY MANY times by saying he was already on tv and made himself public.... when none of it is true.

the Adversary of humanity is called Satan by Christianity and Mara by Buddhism

these are just two names of the same evul


Mara (Satan) is well aware of the Prophecy concerning Maitreya and tries to trick us and create confusion and ridicule by presenting false Maitreyas ; )

Maitreya is destined to overcome Mara and become a Buddha