Intro to Timelines for Dummy's 101

[Rocky_Shorz]

Karma says be good do good and your return will be good...

so why do only the good die young?

how rotten does someone have to be to live 5000 years...

how much pain have they poured out on others...

a timeline change leaves the dust where it is meant to be...

[Tarka the Duck]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
Dear Rocky

Thanks for starting this thread in an attempt to clarify for those of us unfamiliar with the word "timeline".

I wonder...is this just a new way to speak of karma? Please could someone explain -
A) how it is different from the idea of karma and
B) why there is a need to come up with a new theory, when the law of karma has made sense to most of us for centuries?

Many thanks
Tarka

Ask yourself why are you needing for anything to "make sense"?

I understand as I was once there myself, but when the good stuff started to happen nothing made sense anymore....

I dumped the old cup of Karma along with the bottle of Sense,

and both were refilled with the wine of astonishment.

Thanks for that, Ulli!

As I am still at the stage of still needing things to make sense, could I ask you to elaborate a little?

Do you mean you have exhausted all your karma? Or do you consider there is no such law as karma?

What do you mean by "when the good stuff started to happen..."?

And what happens for you when the bad stuff comes along?

Many thanks
Tarka

[ulli]

By the good stuff happening I mean unexpected smooth unstressed sailing through life, with lots of love, fun, laughter, happiness, joy, creativity, abundance.

When things get difficult it's because a state of imbalance on my part attracted it, I had been either too cocky, or else too fearful.

Once while thinking about all the problems I was having it came to me that consciously and subconsciously I enjoyed solving problems, hence they kept coming.
I believed in the problem-solution paradigm.

The idea of Karma is based on ripple effect, or a cause and effect paradigm, if I did anything drastic I would most likely get a wallop, but I've been making sure that I don't do anything drastic.

If I could just press a button to make others happy in a permanent manner I would.
I can't give it to them other than suggest to follow a few simple steps of advice.

Find out who you are, through self observation.

Work on yourself.

If you notice a feeling of aversion towards someone else's behavior check carefully in case it exists in you but you never noticed it. Pluck it out.

Find an occupation that fascinates you, using your hands and body as much as possible.

Take note of coincidences, think about them.

Choose your friends carefully.

Welcome bad stuff that comes your way as an opportunity or gift.

Develop virtues.

[Bhusunda]

Thanks Rocky and ulli for this thread and your insights.
It really lightened up my evening!

:-)

[PurpleLama]

For me the concept of karma is fallacious unless one is referring strictly to the unawakened. To be unaware of ones lessons, of acausal causes, then one continues to be subject to them. Then, Ah-HA! One gets it, the karma metabolizes and one is on the fast track to learning new lessons, with the potential to recognize how one chooses them with the very thoughts one thinks. Hence the sudden choice of miracle vs disaster. Ones understanding of fundamental laws beyond mere karmic law, such as the law of grace, which I would sum up as the understanding that as we move our own perspective closer to what would be a reflection of the creator's perspective, then the more the infinite smiles upon us. Understanding with the heart that the infinite does indeed know each and every one of us, and cares, then we can in turn make it our own sense of love for others. Which brings me to what I consider the most salient point in any discussion of timelines, namely that when one is using this intention solely to the benefit of others, not concerned for the condition of self, this is where the true power lies in affecting change upon the timeline. Until one sees clearly the truth and reason for that, then ones ability is severely limited. We can't all be king of the world, nor really should we ever want to be. It's a closer reflection of the infinite perspective when the avatar is just an avatar and the work is to be done to assist the other beings in the other avatars, and the whole universe will bend over backwards to help one who works it this way. Basically, the law of three fold return should replace the notion of ever attempting to benefit directly by changing a timeline.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well PTB have controlled all of us by the timelines... creating disasters, wars and diseases that aren't natural, they are man made.

the world is being run by lunatics, but all pain could pass with acceptance of Destiny.

it sounds so simple, but it is like stepping off into an abyss of the unknown...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Star (here)
Dear Rocky,

Thanks for that wonderful example of "timelines"........I guess it is just about making choices each day about what is right for us and listening for that "small Voice,

Love & Light,
Star

I'm proud of everyone that tossed aside ego to get by the title of this thread and explore what was inside...

[Belle]

I've had difficulty understanding timelines. A 'coincidence' today changed that for me.

A friend just returned a book I had lent her..."The Divine Matrix" by Gregg Braden (subtitled, 'Bridging time, space, miracles and belief'). Been a while since I read it, but had a flash of insight when she handed me the book. I couldn't 'think' my way through that book to understanding, like I hadn't been able to 'think' my way through timelines to understanding. Once I let go and allowed it to 'sink in', it became a part of me. Opening my 'view' of timelines with my 'understanding' of "The Divine Matrix", I had a "Eureka!" moment...it makes perfect sense.

The difficulty functioning as I do is words are never enough. If I were to try to explain it to others, it would be like trying to explain 'colors' to a person who was blind.

Thank you Rocky, ulli, and all who have contributed to this thread, for sharing so openly and guiding me to understanding. I am grateful.

[Tony]

Timelines do not exist, it's just a foggy concept!!!!!! There I've sad it.
Your present was created by your past. If you do not evolve your understanding, your future will be the same as the past - going round in circles. The past does not exist. the future does not exist. And get this...NOW does not exist. Find now? When people tell you to rest in the now, you are holding now as a state. It is mental gymnastics. Change takes place after a great deal of practise and training. Choosing to go left instead of right is only a geographical event, that is all.

Change takes place when consciousness is aware of its true nature... emptiness. Once that is realised there is only one way to go - where it will benefit others!
So they too can stand on their own two...minds! They have understood the unity of the two truths, relative and absolute.

Do not let anyone put you to sleep!

Tony

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Belle (here)
I've had difficulty understanding timelines. A 'coincidence' today changed that for me.

The difficulty functioning as I do is words are never enough. If I were to try to explain it to others, it would be like trying to explain 'colors' to a person who was blind.

Thank you Rocky, ulli, and all who have contributed to this thread, for sharing so openly and guiding me to understanding. I am grateful.

why is it I feel you would have no problem describing colors to the blind?

many times to grasp a concept it needs to be explained in terms we understand, and I prefer adding a little humor to make it fun.

I would explain what happened to Inelia very differently than the words she uses to allow for a wider audience to go now I get it.

remember the clumsy little angel balancing on a beach ball juggling 3 hourglasses? Well, when it was time for Inelia to be born, she was the angel on assignment and she slipped and inserted her spirit to the conscious instead of subconscious... before she could change it, Inelia was born...

being a fully awake Spirit comes with many amazing gifts and understandings that a normal conscious being has trouble understanding...

she has a Saint watching over her...

to Christians, I want you to look at this image because there are billions of you looking for a sign of the beyond...



When I described meeting Woodward, I told of a shimmering Circle around him, the gateway to heaven.

He can turn at any moment and walk through but instead wants to stay to help his people, miracles have happened all over Chile from his presence and Inelia he realized at a very young age she was special. you would be looking at a child, but hear responses of those of an adult. The tragedy hit her at the same age my daughter was when her best friend was kidnapped and murdered. I understand the pain she went through, and why it locked in her resolve to change the world.

now Bill, you are sharing this moment in a Language most don't understand, but the real story you have is one of a Miracle that could be shared with the world.

[Tarka the Duck]

Quotation from a response by Ulli to a question from Tarka the Duck:

"Ask yourself why are you needing for anything to "make sense"?
I understand as I was once there myself, but when the good stuff started to happen nothing made sense anymore."

I have been pondering this, Ulli - and to be honest, I have been feeling a little bewildered by it.
But, after much reflection, I am proud to stand up and say " I DO NEED THINGS TO MAKE SENSE!!!"
To make any claims that I have 'gone beyond' that need would be a complete lie...and so I embrace my powers of intelligence (limited as they may be)!!

Even practised teachers such as the Dalai Lama are constantly asking questions and seeking internal and external clarification: the journey is extremely subtle, and not as simplistic (as opposed to simple) as we are sometimes lead to believe.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

Love
Tarka

[Tony]

One has to be very clear where one is going. It's like knowing the end of a book, to see if it is worth reading. Going in hope does not work....I've tried it, with the wool pulled over their eyes,trying to pull wool over mine. Our paths are individual, one does not have to follow the flock.

Free will is good as long as you know the choices available.

Tony

[Rocky_Shorz]

I see Timelines as a pile of books, flipping through each until I find the one with a Happily Ever After ending...

the PTB sees the book I chose, and they continuously toss obstacles up to get the whole grid to shift away from the timeline we desire...

all subconscious at a spiritual level, they can't grab the timeline and change it on us, it has to be our choice as a group collective in where we will go...

individuals are all flowing down the main timeline tugging right and left but going with the flow

Free Will has nothing to do with timelines if you understand what they are...

Free will is your EGO saying you matter...

[Carmody]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
Dear Rocky

Thanks for starting this thread in an attempt to clarify for those of us unfamiliar with the word "timeline".

I wonder...is this just a new way to speak of karma? Please could someone explain -
A) how it is different from the idea of karma and
B) why there is a need to come up with a new theory, when the law of karma has made sense to most of us for centuries?

Many thanks
Tarka

This is due to the need to have 'science' re-converge with the heart of the worthwhile aspects of 'religion'.

Essentially, the linear mind needs an answer as well, if balance is going to be achieved.

[ulli]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
Quotation from a response by Ulli to a question from Tarka the Duck:

"Ask yourself why are you needing for anything to "make sense"?
I understand as I was once there myself, but when the good stuff started to happen nothing made sense anymore."

I have been pondering this, Ulli - and to be honest, I have been feeling a little bewildered by it.
But, after much reflection, I am proud to stand up and say " I DO NEED THINGS TO MAKE SENSE!!!"
To make any claims that I have 'gone beyond' that need would be a complete lie...and so I embrace my powers of intelligence (limited as they may be)!!

Even practised teachers such as the Dalai Lama are constantly asking questions and seeking internal and external clarification: the journey is extremely subtle, and not as simplistic (as opposed to simple) as we are sometimes lead to believe.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

Love
Tarka

Hello Tarka,

You don't have to be intelligent all day long...there are moments and there are moments...

I have no further thoughts on the matter, as neither thought nor explanation will clarify this...only the discovery.
I didn't make the universe, but I can certainly appreciate it's wondrousness.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Star (here)
Dear Rocky,

Thanks for that wonderful example of "timelines"........I guess it is just about making choices each day about what is right for us and listening for that "small Voice,

Love & Light,
Star

now let me share the difference between new age and Christianity

New Age teaches you to find your inner light and make it grow, once you are shining share it outward...

what happens when you reach the pedestal and are the Brightest spot-light in the universe and shine it on another light bulb?

it makes that light bulb dim...

thus the lesson in Love and Light...

now Christians on the other hand see a different answer, we share love, peace and laughter with the light bulbs around us, each shining brighter because there is no fear when you are surrounded by all III... our goal is to light up everyone...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
I see Timelines as a pile of books, flipping through each until I find the one with a Happily Ever After ending...

the PTB sees the book I chose, and they continuously toss obstacles up to get the whole grid to shift away from the timeline we desire...

all subconscious at a spiritual level, they can't grab the timeline and change it on us, it has to be our choice as a group collective in where we will go...

individuals are all flowing down the main timeline tugging right and left but going with the flow

Free Will has nothing to do with timelines if you understand what they are...

Free will is your EGO saying you matter...

now for all of you that sat thinking of this all night, let me continue...

what is wrong with having an Ego? Without Ego we are slaves...

listen to your Ego, it isn't always wrong...

[Bhusunda]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

now for all of you that sat thinking of this all night, let me continue...

what is wrong with having an Ego? Without Ego we are slaves...

listen to your Ego, it isn't always wrong...

I agree, the ego will always be there. The very fact that you incarnated is already a proof of that.
So why fighting it? By fighting you will give it power.

Its much better to step back and watch it, get to know it. There is nothing to fear. After all it has also brought you to where you are.
Just pay attention that his continuous judgement does not takes precedence over your heart.

[Rocky_Shorz]

the good news is, Ego doesn't direct your timeline, your spirit does...

[greybeard]

For the serious spiritual aspirant Ego is like whiskey to the alcoholic.
They are both addictions.
They are both mistakenly seen as a support when the opposite is true.
If you want to come back here for another lifetime just let the ego direct your life.

Every enlightened sage without exception is an ego less state.
You cant have unconditional love and ego.

Chris