Intro to Timelines for Dummy's 101

[Bhusunda]

Posted by greybeard (here)
For the serious spiritual aspirant Ego is like whiskey to the alcoholic.
They are both addictions.
They are both mistakenly seen as a support when the opposite is true.
If you want to come back here for another lifetime just let the ego direct your life.

Every enlightened sage without exception is an ego less state.
You cant have unconditional love and ego.

Chris

I agree greybeard, ego is like alcohol, but you know, I do intend to come back. And why not?
My time of no return is not yet there. I am too much enjoying this.

During 8 years living as a monc I tried to become enlightened, only to realize at one stage, that I have to let go any trying, even that.
That I have to let go any aversion or attraction. Even the attraction towards enlightenment and the aversion towards living in in this world.
Nothing you can do or aspire can make you enlightened anyway. Let go and be, and don't judge your being.
Since I realized that, I kind of feel free and most of all, I feel normal and more at peace with myself. The search before that was like a fever.
I do not want to become enlightened anymore because, we all are enlightened anyway, we just forgot.

So I really enjoy the love and ego in its boundaries, but I am aware of them.
And nonetheless, I think everyone got some unconditional love inside him, those moments when the ego drops completely, just because at some moments everyone of us remembers his true being as an enlightened soul.

And I wouldn't dare to measure that as either complete or uncomplete, serious or unserious.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by greybeard (here)
For the serious spiritual aspirant Ego is like whiskey to the alcoholic.

Every enlightened sage without exception is an ego less state.
You cant have unconditional love and ego.

Chris

lucky I'm not spiritual aspirant... I'm capable of unconditional love without crushing my Ego...

so leggo my Eggo...

[Belle]

I don't know why I keep thinking about stew...maybe it's because it's dinnertime and I'm hungry.

There's nothing like a big bowl of hearty stew to satisfy your hunger. I love munching on the fresh veggies and meat...reminds me of the mind/ego. Give it food (thoughts, ideas, reactions) and it will munch away for hours and hours, thinking of things this way and that way...how shall I approach this...what is the best way to make it happen.

But the best part is at the end of the bowl when nothing but the gravy is left. I like to take a big hunk of fresh baked bread and sop up every last bit of the flavorful juices...reminds me of the spirit. Spirit drinks in every bit of the 'essence' of the food, is filled with understanding and new possibilities.

Some things cannot be understood with the mind/ego...it must be absorbed by the spirit.

It requires a 'letting go', a release of thoughts and questions and judgments...frightening to the mind/ego, but welcomed by the spirit.

There's a line from the old book "God Calling" that has remained with me for the better part of 30 years..."Jesus said, 'Be ye, therefore, perfect as my Father in Heaven is perfect.' He did not say do perfect things. Just be."

Sometimes enlightenment comes when you have given up working toward it and when you least expect it. That is the way of the spirit.

[greybeard]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
For the serious spiritual aspirant Ego is like whiskey to the alcoholic.

Every enlightened sage without exception is an ego less state.
You cant have unconditional love and ego.

Chris

lucky I'm not spiritual aspirant... I'm capable of unconditional love without crushing my Ego...

so leggo my Eggo...

Unconditional love is not something you do or are capable of.
Its what you are as an enlightened being--- a bit like gravity -- powerful but just being itself-- constant it does not come and go.
We can all love very deeply but there seems an element of choice in it -- or a relationship.

Taming the ego is very beneficial.

Time lines can only apply when you are unenlightened--- the enlightened is in a timeless state.

Anyway it is as it is, we all do our best to make our way through the world.

Love to you Rocky.

Chris

[Belle]

imo, unconditional love is what we are. Feels like a vulnerability. Just let go and be unconditional love. It is our nature and our strength.

It enters into hiding when we are children learning to function in this world. Let go of the 'learning'. Trust spirit. Be love.

Sometimes the simplest things are the most difficult to achieve.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Unconditional love is not something you do or are capable of.

Love to you Rocky.

Chris

if that is true you wouldn't have been able to set down the last drink and never pick it back up. It starts with yourself...

Enlightenment comes from knowing truths, not banging your head on the floor for 4 hours a day trying to knock sense into it...

maybe that is why Confucism followed...

[Bhusunda]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

maybe that is why Confusism followed...

love that

[Rocky_Shorz]

Love, Peace and Laughter is the key to happiness...

[thunder24]

Where do premonitions, or "seeing" the future fit in with this?

Lately, I've been thinking about something or someone and later that day or two, the very thing I thought happens. yesterday drove through a town and thought me and buddy odda come over here and eat. I called him, who lives an hour and half away and he was headed to my town, He came to see family and as we drove around was like "you wanna get some food, lets try out Boone" so we went and ate.

That was just an example. I give another in my last post on -The-GOOD-THINGS-YOU-EXPERIENCE

Am I seeing a certain timeline, if my choices go down? or Am I seeing glimpses of what will happen that day? What definitions would we give these experiences so that all of us are on the same page as far as use of words?

peace

[Rocky_Shorz]

or is it your gifts are becoming more apparent as you are connecting outward to all of your friends?

[PurpleLama]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Timelines do not exist, it's just a foggy concept!!!!!! There I've sad it.
Your present was created by your past. If you do not evolve your understanding, your future will be the same as the past - going round in circles. The past does not exist. the future does not exist. And get this...NOW does not exist. Find now? When people tell you to rest in the now, you are holding now as a state. It is mental gymnastics. Change takes place after a great deal of practise and training. Choosing to go left instead of right is only a geographical event, that is all.

Change takes place when consciousness is aware of its true nature... emptiness. Once that is realised there is only one way to go - where it will benefit others!
So they too can stand on their own two...minds! They have understood the unity of the two truths, relative and absolute.

Do not let anyone put you to sleep!

Tony

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Dear Sir,


Ho'oponopono.


Very Sincerely,

PurpleLama

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Belle (here)
I don't know why I keep thinking about stew...maybe it's because it's dinnertime and I'm hungry.

There's nothing like a big bowl of hearty stew to satisfy your hunger. I love munching on the fresh veggies and meat...reminds me of the mind/ego. Give it food (thoughts, ideas, reactions) and it will munch away for hours and hours, thinking of things this way and that way...how shall I approach this...what is the best way to make it happen.

But the best part is at the end of the bowl when nothing but the gravy is left. I like to take a big hunk of fresh baked bread and sop up every last bit of the flavorful juices...reminds me of the spirit. Spirit drinks in every bit of the 'essence' of the food, is filled with understanding and new possibilities.

Some things cannot be understood with the mind/ego...it must be absorbed by the spirit.

It requires a 'letting go', a release of thoughts and questions and judgments...frightening to the mind/ego, but welcomed by the spirit.

There's a line from the old book "God Calling" that has remained with me for the better part of 30 years..."Jesus said, 'Be ye, therefore, perfect as my Father in Heaven is perfect.' He did not say do perfect things. Just be."

Sometimes enlightenment comes when you have given up working toward it and when you least expect it. That is the way of the spirit.

Isn't it fun glancing back over a thread and spotting a hidden Gem that was somehow missed...

thanks Belle,

to me I'm surprised that anyone would consider living without ego, and thinking unconditional love isn't possible... for it takes both to survive...

at a state of 100% unconditional love for everyone, watching a man walk up and shoot a child, wouldn't faze them, they would just worry about forgiving the offender...

sorry but that's when my ego would kick in and snap me out of the spiritual coma...

God didn't give me Spirit not to use it and seriously I can't imagine being at a point of enlightenment beyond where I am... and I didn't do anything to get here except believe...

[Belle]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
to me I'm surprised that anyone would consider living without ego, and thinking unconditional love isn't possible... for it takes both to survive...

at a state of 100% unconditional love for everyone, watching a man walk up and shoot a child, wouldn't faze them, they would just worry about forgiving the offender...

sorry but that's when my ego would kick in and snap me out of the spiritual coma...

We are spiritual beings having a human experience...in this world, but not of this world.

Balance in all things is a necessity, imo, since we live in both worlds. Ego and spirit can walk through life together positively as long as one does not overwhelm the other.

Unconditional love is not blind to error. If you bear unconditional love for others, you have the ability to love another enough to see that they are harming themselves in harming others.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)

Unconditional love is not something you do or are capable of.

Love to you Rocky.

Chris

if that is true you wouldn't have been able to set down the last drink and never pick it back up. It starts with yourself...

Enlightenment comes from knowing truths, not banging your head on the floor for 4 hours a day trying to knock sense into it...

maybe that is why Confucism followed...

I know how deep you go into thought over little heart nuggets Chris, but remember if your Ego didn't tell you to put down that drink and stand Proud, you would still be drinking, it is love of yourself that has kept you from starting again... They are both very important, all our pieces are or we wouldn't have them...

God has much bigger plans for all of us than adding the energy of our Spirit to dirt...

[Tony]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)

Unconditional love is not something you do or are capable of.

Love to you Rocky.

Chris

if that is true you wouldn't have been able to set down the last drink and never pick it back up. It starts with yourself...

Enlightenment comes from knowing truths, not banging your head on the floor for 4 hours a day trying to knock sense into it...

maybe that is why Confucism followed...

I know how deep you go into thought over little heart nuggets Chris, but remember if your Ego didn't tell you to put down that drink and stand Proud, you would still be drinking, it is love of yourself that has kept you from starting again... They are both very important, all our pieces are or we wouldn't have them...

God has much bigger plans for all of us than adding the energy of our Spirit to dirt...

Dear Rocky.
Your ego seems to be a little aggressive towards Chris.
Ego is the over reactive emotions taking control of the mind.
It's hall mark is a lack of empathy.

Ones spirit is that intelligence which see all this going on.
Working from spirit doesn't mean one is a door mat.

Spiritual work is really painful, having to face ego's clinging
to habitual patterns. This inner conflict make evolution
possible.

All the best
Tony

[Rocky_Shorz]

Tony, you don't realize how good of friends we are, he knows I'm sharing from the heart...

the best teachers are always willing to be students when the occasion arises...

now you on the other hand...

[Carmody]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)

Unconditional love is not something you do or are capable of.

Love to you Rocky.

Chris

if that is true you wouldn't have been able to set down the last drink and never pick it back up. It starts with yourself...

Enlightenment comes from knowing truths, not banging your head on the floor for 4 hours a day trying to knock sense into it...

maybe that is why Confucism followed...

It might be better to say that enlightenment is when you can know truth when it comes to you... or when you attempt to release it into the world.

For we are, from this viewpoint, stuck in time, therefore this time thing intrudes....you see...

Think of it as a near universal or universal tool (we have limited views so the expression is more correct to call it 'near universal') for discernment and interaction. We should not endeavor to call it universal, as this can bring in dogmatism, which allows ego an opportunity, a crack or crevasse of access ...to sneak back in. Full or true enlightenment is not something this one would say is possible for this realm so the observation of the self needs stay about and around. It simply becomes easier over time.

[Bhusunda]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Your ego seems to be a little aggressive towards Chris.
Ego is the over reactive emotions taking control of the mind.
It's hall mark is a lack of empathy.

Posted by greybeard
Anyway it is as it is, we all do our best to make our way through the world.

Actually I feel addressed here and would like to apologize to Chris!
In my overboarding feelings I sometimes forget to be balanced and polite.
Since I am here at Avalon, I am quite amazed on how emotional I can become.
I surely have something to experience and learn down that road.

So bear with me Chris, if I was a not very empathic. I value your posts and your dedication here very highly.

[Rocky_Shorz]

you are fine my friend he was talking to me...

and Carmody, I agree, but I am trying to translate from New Age to Christianity in this thread so Chris brought forward a very important aspect of what needs understanding. He knows I am using it to help teach others, but Tony needs to understand much is to be learned from his words too...

creating dreams of emptiness and putting readers to sleep even while telling them to stay awake is Confucism, not enlightenment...

Enlightenment is tapping an Angel on the shoulder and saying wake up...

true energy is understanding the source...

a teacher you might want to listen to, has been there...

[Carmody]

This morning I found some data where Nikolai Kosyrev confirms Dolores Canon, and I'll have to start a thread on that. But first I have to write out approximately 10 pages of text from a book. I read the pages and found, as usual... that one single sentence which connected the whole aspects and stories together.

It's in this book here: