Was Sitchin wrong?

[Tony]

I need some help!

Perhaps you have already done this, I have just looked a site called, Sitchiswrong.co
If you go to THE ELECTRONIC TEXT CORPUS OF SUMERIAN LITERATURE and press advanced search, then type l=a-nun-na t=DN ( the first letter is el) you get the translation of Sumerian text from the clay tablets.
(The Sitchiswrong site has a video to show you what to do.)

He is suggesting that the whole Annunaki/Niribu is a fallacy. You are invited to ready for yourself.
I have no idea, and there is a lot to read! Perhaps there is a code, but it does make one wonder!

Below is a sample of what you might find. Life is never simple is it?




ETCSLtranslation : t.1.6.2


Ninurta's exploits: a šir-sud (?) to Ninurta

1-16. {(1 ms. adds before line 1 An, king of the gods, majestic one:} O king, storm of majestic splendour, peerless Ninurta, possessing superior strength; who pillages the mountains all alone; deluge, indefatigable serpent hurling yourself at the rebel land, hero striding formidably into battle; lord whose powerful arm is fit to bear the mace, reaping like barley the necks of the insubordinate; Ninurta, king, son in whose strength his father rejoices; hero whose awesomeness covers the mountains like a south storm; Ninurta, who makes the good tiara, the rainbow (?), flash like lightning; grandly begotten by him who wears the princely beard; dragon who turns on himself, strength of a lion snarling at a snake, roaring hurricane; Ninurta, king, whom Enlil has exalted above himself; hero, great battle-net flung over the foe; Ninurta, with the awesomeness of your shadow extending over the Land; releasing fury on the rebel lands, overwhelming their assemblies! Ninurta, king, son who has forced homage to his father far and wide!
17-23. Inspiring great numinous power, he had taken his place on the throne, the august dais, and was sitting gladly at his ease at the festival celebrated in his honour, rivalling An and Enlil in drinking his fill, while Bau was pleading petitions in a prayer for the king, and he, Ninurta, Enlil's son, was handing down decisions. At that moment the lord's battle-mace looked towards the mountains, the Šar-ur cried out aloud to its master:
24-47. "Lord of lofty station, foremost one, who presides over all lords from the throne dais, Ninurta, whose orders are unalterable, whose allotted fates are faithfully executed; my master! Heaven copulated with the verdant Earth, Ninurta: she has born him a warrior who knows no fear -- the Asag, a child who sucked the power of milk without ever staying with a wet-nurse, a foster-child, O my master -- knowing no father, a murderer from the mountains, a youth who has come forth from ……, whose face knows no shame; impudent of eye, an arrogant male, {Ninurta} {(1 ms. has instead Ninĝirsu}, rejoicing in his stature. My hero, you who are like a bull, I will take my stand beside you. My master, who turns sympathetically towards his own city, who is effective in carrying out his mother's wishes: it has sired offspring in the mountains, and spread its seeds far and wide. The plants have unanimously named it king over them; like a great wild bull, it tosses its horns amongst them. The šu, the saĝkal, the esi (diorite), the usium, the kagena (haematite), and the heroic nu stones, its warriors, constantly come raiding the cities. For them a shark's tooth has grown up in the mountains; it has stripped the trees. Before its might the gods of those cities bow towards it. My master, this same creature has erected a throne dais: it is not lying idle. Ninurta, lord, it actually decides the Land's lawsuits, just as you do. Who can compass the Asag's dread glory? Who can counteract the severity of its frown? People are terrified, fear makes the flesh creep; their eyes are fixed upon it. My master, the mountains have taken their offerings to it."
48-56. "Hero! They have appealed to you, because of your father; son of Enlil, lord, because of your superior strength they are looking to you here; since you are strong, my master, they are calling for your help, saying, Ninurta, that not a single warrior counts except for you! They wanted to advise you about ……. Hero, there have been consultations with a view to taking away your kingship. Ninurta, it is confident that it can lay hands on the powers received by you in the abzu. Its face is deformed, its location is continually changing; day by day, the Asag adds territories to its domain."
57-69. "But you will force it into the shackles of the gods. You, Antelope of Heaven, must trample the mountains beneath your hooves, Ninurta, lord, son of Enlil. Who has so far been able to resist its assault? The besetting Asag is beyond all control, its weight is too heavy. Rumours of its armies constantly arrive, before ever its soldiers are seen. This thing's strength is massive, no weapon has been able to overturn it. Ninurta, neither the axe nor the all-powerful spear can penetrate its flesh, no warrior like it has ever been created against you. Lord, you who reach out towards the august divine powers, splendour, jewel of the gods, you bull with the features of a wild bull, with a prominent backbone, …… this fellow is clever! My Ninurta, whose form Enki contemplates with favour, my Uta-ulu, lord, son of Enlil, what is to be done?"
70-95. The lord cried "Alas!" so that Heaven trembled, and Earth huddled at his feet and was terrified (?) at his strength. Enlil became confused and went out of the E-kur. The mountains were devastated. That day the earth became dark, the Anuna trembled. The hero beat his thighs with his fists. The gods dispersed; the Anuna disappeared over the horizon like sheep. The lord arose, touching the sky; Ninurta went to battle, with one step (?) he covered a league, he was an alarming storm, and rode on the eight winds towards the rebel lands. His arms grasped the lance. The mace snarled at the mountains, the club began to devour all the enemy. He fitted the evil wind and the sirocco on a pole (?), he placed the quiver on its hook (?). An enormous hurricane, irresistible, went before the hero, stirred up the dust, caused the dust to settle, levelled high and low, filled the holes. It caused a rain of coals and flaming fires; the fire consumed men. It overturned tall trees by their trunks, reducing the forests to heaps, Earth put her hands on her heart and cried harrowingly; the Tigris was muddied, disturbed, cloudy, stirred up. He hurried to battle on the boat Ma-kar-nunta-ea; the people there did not know where to turn, they bumped into (?) the walls. The birds there tried to lift their heads to fly away, but their wings trailed on the ground. The storm flooded out the fish there in the subterranean waters, their mouths snapped at the air. It reduced the animals of the open country to firewood, roasting them like locusts. It was a deluge rising and disastrously ruining the mountains.
96-118. The hero Ninurta led the march through the rebel lands. He killed their messengers in the mountains, he crushed (?) their cities, he smote their cowherds over the head like fluttering butterflies, he tied together their hands with hirin grass, so that they dashed their heads against walls. The lights of the mountains did not gleam in the distance any longer. People gasped for breath (?); those people were ill, they hugged themselves, they cursed the Earth, they considered the day of the Asag's birth a day of disaster. The lord caused bilious poison to run over the rebel lands. As he went the gall followed, anger filled his heart, and he rose like a river in spate and engulfed all the enemies. In his heart he beamed at his lion-headed weapon, as it flew up like a bird, trampling the mountains for him. It raised itself on its wings to take away prisoner the disobedient, it spun around the horizon of heaven to find out what was happening. Someone from afar came to meet it, brought news for the tireless one, the one who never rests, whose wings bear the deluge, the Šar-ur. What did it gather there …… for Lord Ninurta? It reported the deliberations of the mountains, it explained their intentions to Lord Ninurta, it outlined (?) what people were saying about the Asag.
119-121. "Hero, beware!" it said concernedly. The weapon embraced him whom it loved, the Šar-ur



Who's for reading more?

[Calz]

Nice timing. Going down that trail in another thread as well:

Posted by DoubleHelix (here)
In the name of truth, let's throw a curve ball in the mix - How accurate was Zecharia Sitchin's deciphering of ancient Anunnaki texts ? ? ?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aIwZKJK4IJc

[Tony]

I'm just listening to it! How that for synchronicity!!!!

[Calz]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
I'm just listening to it! How that for synchronicity!!!!

Makes a compelling presentation.

[Teakai]

Hi Pi n eal - Arizona Wilder who is apparently an illuminati escapee (? is that the right term?) did an interview with David Icke and in it she told him that Zecharia Sitchin was a disinfo agent.

The interview is quite long and it's up on you tube. I would have posted the relevant part only it was a while ago that I saw it and I don;t recall which part it's in.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I believe Sitchin did indeed 'embellish' a lot of his Sumerian translations and just down right made some of them up!!
For instance some of the translations he made were using modern terms which simply did not exist in Sumerian times.
I have some major issues with Sitchins work but having said that his work is very enjoyable and i have great respect for the man.
He was one of the people who played a major role in my awakening and opened my eyes to a lot.
For this reason alone i am very grateful to Zechariah Sitchin.
You know what they say, a Sitchen in time saves nine (sorry about that)

Hurritt

[christian]

To put it in a nutshell:

Sitchin compiled a giant load of literature on the Sumerian tablets etc.
How could his every last word and interpretation be correct?
But the major message of an alien race genetically engineering seems clear, as mainstream science cannot account for the sudden birth of the Sumerian civilization and not least for their immense feats in science, art, etc.

[Teakai]

Ooh, la - I found a small video where Arizona tells David Icke about Zecharia Sitchin:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gzxIzx32GDo

Link: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gzxIzx32GDo

Warning: contains mention of shapeshifters.

[Tony]

Posted by chiquetet (here)
To put it in a nutshell:

Sitchin compiled a giant load of literature on the Sumerian tablets etc.
How could his every last word and interpretation be correct?
But the major message of an alien race genetically engineering seems clear, as mainstream science cannot account for the sudden birth of the Sumerian civilization and not least for their immense feats in science, art, etc.

Seems clear??? To who? None of us "know."

[Calz]

Perhaps someone can help me out as well.

I remember hearing from what I thought to be a reliable source that Zecharia was actually channeling annunaki (automatic writing) on at least some of his material.

I am still trying to backtrack and find that source.

I did find a *hint* of sorts in that direction with the Jordan Maxwell Camelot interview.

Anyone???

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by DoubleHelix (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
I accepted Stitchin hook, line and sinker until it later came out (I think from Jordan Maxwell who was a good friend of his) that a lot of his material was "channeled" (automatic type writing) from the Annunaki.

Like always probably a shade of grey ... no doubt still a lot of good information.

Oh no you didn't say the "C" word did you... that's like a shot to the groin.

from credible too incredible in the space of 9 letters.

Thou the waters are muddied I will still review his material.

Trying to follow up on this without much luck so far. Here is some text in Jordan Maxwell's Camelot interview from 2009 talking about Stitchin. At that point Jordan would not come out with it since it was revealed in a private conversation. It must have been later when he did.

KC: I understand. Now, I don’t know if you’re willing to talk about this, but Zecharia Sitchin and you sat down and you asked him to tell you a secret. Based on all your time with him, the things that you had done for him, etcetera, etcetera, you basically said: Tell me something that I don’t know.

JM: Yeah.

KC: Are you willing to talk about that?

JM: No.

KC: Because I think that that is a clue that people would really benefit from knowing.

JM: Yeah. I don’t think I want to talk about that.

KC: Okay.

JM: Because...

KC: Do you feel that Zecharia would not like that information out there?

JM: No. It was that it was a private conversation and when I asked him... Because, like I said, at one time I was in business with Zecharia. I had a contract with him, and so we were business partners, and so I felt a little bit more of a leeway to talk with Zecharia in private. So I asked him one time some very personal questions about his work and it was absolutely mind-blowing and staggering, the things he was telling me.

And then... Well anyway, then he told me some things about myself and I was amazed. I never heard such a thing, that what he was being told, or wherever he got it from, he had a view on me, who I am and what I’m doing. But at that time we were talking, it was a private conversation, and I think it’d be better just left private.

KC: Okay. Fine.

JM: All I will say is this: Zecharia Sitchin is a fascinating man and a brilliant writer, and I love everything he’s doing, and I love the man. He’s a very dear friend and I love Zecharia Sitchin. He’s a very, very gentleman kind of guy, and so... I like that.

http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/jo...erview_en.html

[Calz]

Posted by HURRITT ENYETO (here)
You know what they say, a Sitchen in time saves nine (sorry about that)

Hurritt

Ooooh ... well played HURRITT

[christian]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

Posted by chiquetet (here)
the major message of an alien race genetically engineering seems clear, as mainstream science cannot account for the sudden birth of the Sumerian civilization and not least for their immense feats in science, art, etc.

Seems clear??? To who? None of us "know."

Let me put it in different terms:
Mainstream science accepts only the dogma of evolution, this is everything evolved by itself gradually.
But mainstream science cannot account for the birth or the feats of the Sumerians.
So it is clear as daylight, that there must have been some boost or outside influence.
So when it came to finding the spot in human history, that needs to be examined further, Sitchin hit it, as the Sumerian tablets give a lot of possible answers to that riddle, of course none of us know. But it's safe to say that you must start somewhere when you unravel the history of humanity and he made he great contribution.

What you quoted from Sitchin goes into the more convoluted stories, where errors in translation/interpretation are most likely to occur, but the basic message I derive from Sitchin's books is: The clay tablets tell the story of the genetic engineering of modern day humanity by an alien race and these stories were alterated and adopted in the bible and other ancient books. I still don't know, if the stories on the tablets are true, but they provide a sufficient answer for the flaw in the mainstream theory of evolution.

[Calz]

Posted by chiquetet (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

Posted by chiquetet (here)
the major message of an alien race genetically engineering seems clear, as mainstream science cannot account for the sudden birth of the Sumerian civilization and not least for their immense feats in science, art, etc.

Seems clear??? To who? None of us "know."

Let me put it in different terms:
Mainstream science accepts only the dogma of evolution, this is everything evolved by itself gradually.
But mainstream science cannot account for the birth or the feats of the Sumerians.
So it is clear as daylight, that there must have been some boost or outside influence.
So when it came to finding the spot in human history, that needs to be examined further, Sitchin hit it, as the Sumerian tablets give a lot of possible answers to that riddle, of course none of us know. But it's safe to say that you must start somewhere when you unravel the history of humanity and he made he great contribution.

What you quoted from Sitchin goes into the more convoluted stories, where errors in translation/interpretation are most likely to occur, but the basic message I derive from Sitchin's books is: The clay tablets tell the story of the genetic engineering of modern day humanity by an alien race and these stories were alterated and adopted in the bible and other ancient books. I still don't know, if the stories on the tablets are true, but they provide a sufficient answer for the flaw in the mainstream theory of evolution.

I have not (yet) visited the site in the OP but I suggest you give a listen to the youtube(s) (there are 13 in all) posted by DoubleHelix (if you have not already).

He suggests Zecharia varies from the scribes of the time on a number of issues. I am not a linguist ... but sounded reasonable to me.

[christian]

Sitchin used terms in his translation, that were not known in Sumerian times.

He's entitled to do so as an author, when it appears to be appropriate. When Nostradamus made his predictions first, there were a lot of things he could not label precisely and he would surely appreciate someone in more modern times to interpret his quatrains appropriately with the terms that we know today (of course I'm referring to Dolores Cannon here).

Sitchin channeled from the Annunaki.

Saying the Annunaki is like saying the Asians. There are lots of different factions among them. So it might be true or not, might be good or not...

[christian]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
I suggest you give a listen to the youtube(s) posted by DoubleHelix.

He suggests Zecharia varies from the scribes of the time on a number of issues. I am not a linguist ... but sounded reasonable to me.

I bet he does.
I read stuff from "Sitchin debunkers" before and the way I see it, it's to be appreciated that there are peer reviews of his work, but saying that his entire work is a hoax and all the rest of it, because he made mistakes in his translations, is nonsense. Of course there are mistakes, what would you expect? You will not find a "proper" translation anywhere, but that doesn't turn every last effort to provide one into garbage.

So of course it's a good thing to bring more clarity into the translation, interpretation, value and validity of the clay tablets.

Sitchin jumped to conclusions, some of them are surely wrong. But that doesn't make it right to jump to the conclusion that all he did was wrong.

It's very odd that his work is hardly peer reviewed in a sober way, but instead going into the extremes of either believing his every last word of condemning him as a pseudo-scientist, neither gives him the right credit.

[Davidallany]

Regardless of whether or not the late Mr. Zecharia Sitchin was wrong or was dis-informer, he did move many people with the work he presented regarding Sumer. Thus opening the door not known by many to look into the legend and investigate it further. What if he was telling what he knew to the best of his knowledge, what if he was discredited by Charles's people?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QJDjAPNMfBM

[Steven]

Yes, he has been wrong on many things. That is why it is important not to buy anything already, but to keep searching to increase the data available. I guess he has been wrong on thing we actually think he is right, and right on things he actually was wrong.

But on the other hand, if that was not Sitchin, we would not even talk about the Sumerian tablets.

Namaste, Steven

[Fred Steeves]

Sitchens also showed a lot of very interesting pictures from the tablets and such in his books. A picture paints a thousand words. In any language or translation.

Cheers,
Fred

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Posted by chiquetet (here)

Sitchin used terms in his translation, that were not known in Sumerian times.

He's entitled to do so as an author, when it appears to be appropriate. When Nostradamus made his predictions first, there were a lot of things he could not label precisely and he would surely appreciate someone in more modern times to interpret his quatrains appropriately with the terms that we know today (of course I'm referring to Dolores Cannon here).

Sitchin channeled from the Annunaki.

Saying the Annunaki is like saying the Asians. There are lots of different factions among them. So it might be true or not, might be good or not...

If only it were a simple matter of semantics or getting a interpretation wrong the fact of the matter is that a lot of Sitchins work is just that, HIS INTERPRETATION.

For instance nowhere in the Sumerian tablets does it say that Nibiru is a planet (and that's a pretty big detail to get wrong or 'interpret'.
When these things were pointed out to him he either refused to discuss it or stuck to his version of the tablets being the only version that was true.
All i am saying is that it is more than mere miss translations.

Hurritt

[Calz]

Posted by Steven (here)
Yes, he has been wrong on many things. That is why it is important not to buy anything already, but to keep searching to increase the data available. I guess he has been wrong on thing we actually think he is right, and right on things he actually was wrong.

But on the other hand, if that was not Sitchin, we would not even talk about the Sumerian tablets.

Namaste, Steven

Nothing is written in stone ... (couldn't resist)

But we don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Most everything comes to a shade of grey and that is certainly the case here.

I had heard there was a number of other researchers who did not agree with Zecharia but I didn't really research it. Anyone that has something of value to offer will have debunkers of all sorts ... to be sure.

And that is why we have a forum like this ... and a thread like this.

Should be an interesting one