The Inelia thread

[EileenCookies]

Personally, I have stopped investigating the other dimensions that we live with simultaneously. I've had my fill of them. They arn't what I wanted them to be....an escape.

It is actually easier to live in the one we are all in currently.
Perhaps we should work on making it livable/viable instead of trying to live in the 4th/5th and so on.

For example, the fourth dimension feels like falling. THe place you can go if you are a deep mediator. There the ether exist and you can co-create, ...if you have the stupidity to try (any trying is hell).

Fifth dimension....that is like actually being in a human body, but having to be in a deep state of relaxation...all the time (so no more working jobs you are tired of....as you need to stay present to exist here).

Sixth dimension you got people with god like abilities wandering around (pretend you are one of Harry Potter's gang, if that helps). Do you really want to be able to move things with your mind? YOu know how much energy you will have to have? You don't want to spend half your day's meditating now, can you image if you had too?

All this fuss and then I find out that this isn't some amusement ride, where you get to get off the ride at the end. Oh no, it just keeps going.....

Ascension just gives me headaches.

eileen l.

[Catsquotl]

Yesterday I wrote this...
Growing home the bottom line.

So what constitutes growing home, what exactly does it mean and what do you do. Growing home or ascension is nothing more than raising the vibration of your being and in doing so assist the earth mother and her kingdoms in raising the overall vibration. In doing so we create a consensus reality where the overall vibration is one of light and unity.

There are a myriad ways of doing this. Myself and **** found a way when we were part of a group. Speaking for myself I found the methods we used there to be rather rigid. That said however i have learned a great deal there where it comes to trusting one's own guidance and insights.

Still i feel that anyone who just sits and meditates for a few minutes each day or week just to center him or herself and with some attention intends to become more peaceful and loving is contributing to the growth towards home.

with Love
Eelco
I'd like to add that i rather enjoy this 3d reality, I have not experienced 4th and 5th dimensions so I cannot comment on your experiences there.
I would like this 3d reality to lighten up though and if possible make it a more loving place for all species here...

[sirac]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

EElco, I have always had the ability to see dead people at times, or to sometimes get unsolicited communications from them. Any believable theory of non-reincarnation would have to explain I’ve observed to happen in the “lives” of dead people (i.e., after their physical death). Unfortunately, I haven’t as yet found a way to make such sense of any non-reincarnation theory, including yours – not without all sorts of explanations that would need to be provided with it, but so far haven’t been, as far as I know.

Part of the problem is that some of the issues involved are so abstract (to us in the physical world) and so subtle. For instance, the true nature of time is utterly different from what many people imagine. It has only tenuous links with what the variable t used in physics refers to. Again, the ability to distinguish between an individual after death versus that individual’s personality after death is a very subtle one. A few years ago I had a conversation with one of the most well-known teachers of astral travel. It was very clear he didn’t know there was any difference between them at all! He strongly denied that the two were anything but the same thing.

On the other hand, I would love to hear a theory of non-reincarnation that stands up to the facts as I know them. One reason is that the main (or only) explanation of “dimensions” is that they are like veils, or curtains. So, only when the 3D curtain gets lifted, at death or in astral travel or meditation, do we see the 4D world clearly, and so on. Yet I know that in some sense all the dimensions are already right here, despite the “curtains”.

So, if you can come up with detailed descriptions of what "life" is like for a dead person, I would find that very interesting. What did you see on the cinema screen after you'd come back from intermission, so to speak?

(Apologies to Inelia since this thread is primarily for her responses.)

very cool traineehuman,
what i highlight in the first paragraph,
it would seem that your mode has been to delve into your observations, and that you have put a unified theory of your observations saying ...... reincarnation true.
then when you see a microcosm of your observations being presented with a theory positing nonreincarnation,....in the first paragraph you basically say...make more observations and then you'll see my theory(reincarnation true)_____ but even taking an observation in isolation, it still has to be provided with explainations [fitting it into {what}]............{logical demand...clarify a bit more}
---sorry that you find your thing regurgitated--...this is question{}...this is implication[]-

this is my thing about reincarnation.
before exposed to a mainstream which posited reincarnation,
i knew that exercised consciousness was underbound by a system of i die now, i go to heaven (or a plain i can continue my spiritual evolution)
my first revelations is that the amount we can access now is so little, that we would have to continue within the larger bound ... created things are un-understandable without this,
its just that the thing about now, is that it is like a test to see what you are entitled to carry on with

by the way Traineehuman,
does your theories (u say they self reinforcing by your observations) allow for us to escape from the reincarnation cycle?

so if i take that i will just continue reincarnating on this plain, i might aswell give up now,..or i'll crash or something like that.
also to be downright dirty,...if inelia says she won't be reincarnating again, then i also don't want to reincarnate again (i'll find a way)

that way
consider, if we know that people can manifest their own timeline, & if enough pure people already put themselves into a 'never reincarnate again thing' (not considering the scum who only do this as a crutch)......then their might be a way.
i'm almost 30, almost over the apex of my hill,..i don't know if its my oldness speaking now...but i'd like to see my spirit and movement in a future breed of data-analyzers...
like we have airplanes now, a joy generations before us never had....so to one day the functionality given an analyzer....well that would be like a plane compared to the stone-age we are in now
have more things to say...but my spirit ain't burning now....i hate the sumugness of satisfaction.
at this stage i'm not to worried about 2012, or any immanent event,...just whether i can get out of here alive (with my spirit intact as now)
if things as in a reincarnation model have to depend on the crowd....do not be surprised if i set myself to fully destroying everything {not caring who's tried before or how evil they may have been, i'm beyond good&evil, & when my mind is set to an aim i will go}

[Jake]

Posted by EileenCookies (here)
Personally, I have stopped investigating the other dimensions that we live with simultaneously. I've had my fill of them. They arn't what I wanted them to be....an escape.

It is actually easier to live in the one we are all in currently.
Perhaps we should work on making it livable/viable instead of trying to live in the 4th/5th and so on.

For example, the fourth dimension feels like falling. THe place you can go if you are a deep mediator. There the ether exist and you can co-create, ...if you have the stupidity to try (any trying is hell).

Fifth dimension....that is like actually being in a human body, but having to be in a deep state of relaxation...all the time (so no more working jobs you are tired of....as you need to stay present to exist here).

Sixth dimension you got people with god like abilities wandering around (pretend you are one of Harry Potter's gang, if that helps). Do you really want to be able to move things with your mind? YOu know how much energy you will have to have? You don't want to spend half your day's meditating now, can you image if you had too?

All this fuss and then I find out that this isn't some amusement ride, where you get to get off the ride at the end. Oh no, it just keeps going.....

Ascension just gives me headaches.

eileen l.

I have tried my whole life to NOT live a life where I am completely aware of other lives, demensions, states of existance, and/or vibrational realities. Truth is that I cannot seem to stop it. It breaks through, no matter what.
Giving up is not an option for me!!
To me, Inelia represents (among other things) having the courage to embrace your personal experiences. Being AWARE of different aspects of self is not enough! not in my opinion! Understanding and becoming aware of the multidemensional realities that surround us, is our birthright. There is an awakening occurring. Meditating is not about charging your batteries so that you can move things with your mind. By the time one experiences the 'I AM',,, Telekenesis, OBE, Clairvoyance, etc,,, will not impress us any more. All things pale in comparison to the discovery of the truth of our own souls. 4th 5th 6th 7th etc,,, (density realities) are only '4th 5th 6th 7th etc.' from OUR perspective. From a much higher perspective, they are more unified than seperate. Ascension is a word that we made up to try and explain the multidemensional reality that we live in. We are alive and well at each level! Ascension is a point of view. Jake.

[BigDreamer]

I am truly grateful to know that you and Inelia have such a fantastic working relationship. There is so much disharmony in the "Truth (Ascension) Movement". It is a breathe of fresh air to see that hard-working and knowledgeable champions as yourselves are locked arm-in-arm. while disseminating the most important information known to man-kind to-date, in my opinion. Thank you again. I love you both so much.

[StephenW11UK]

Inelia, Since (about a month ago) first watching the video where Bill interviews you I've
learned a great deal from your posts, and also quite a bit from other Avalonians, and for
that I'm very grateful.

All my life I've been sabotaging my efforts at growth due to the presence of the 'firewall'
that I feel pretty sure that some part of me created for my protection when I was probably
still a baby. Over the last 15-12 years I've been quite aware of what that inner voice has
been saying: "others can do it but you won't be able to".

Helped by having immersed myself in the vibes of many on Camelot Library and CMN
and of Drunvalo Melchizedek, I now feel pretty free from the goings-on of the Elite, I'm
not often troubled by a lot of mental chatter, I'm very healthy and I can go fairly well with
the flow. So things have gradually changed for the better.

Recently I've found no difficulty in using these exercises: calling on the 5th Dimensional
Beings (even though I don't yet feel anything), the one on Perpetrators of Darkness, on
Dreaming it into your Reality, and the work of the 'Introvert',

For the rest I rely on the truth of these words of yours: "as more and more of us move
into that expanded awareness, that information, data, is made available more
readily to the rest of the human collective. [Inelia Thread #550]

Thank you particularly, Inelia, for having gone public.

Stephen.

[Anchor]

Posted by Jake (here)
We are alive and well at each level! Ascension is a point of view. Jake.

Yes, that is why it is a shift of consciousness. Same old multidimensional reality, different conscious perspective.

[Catsquotl]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
So, if you can come up with detailed descriptions of what "life" is like for a dead person, I would find that very interesting. What did you see on the cinema screen after you'd come back from intermission, so to speak?
(Apologies to Inelia since this thread is primarily for her responses.)

What makes you think I can come up with a description? The karma clearing I done was with a pendulum and some charts. A karma would present itself over time. Through questions, hunches which i then penduloomed for there invlovement in this particular story etc etc. The visioning I did was usualy no more than a few moments for clarification or guidance. Also that was not anywhere near High definition quality..

With Love
Eelco

[Ernie Nemeth]

on reincarnation: I sometimes "see" my male anscestors all lined up, like a reflection of a mirror facing another mirror, receding into the past.

on keeping the focus on the work at hand: I rarely remember my dreams but I had a vivid one about a month ago. In it I was shown a massive construction site, and without blabbing on was slowly made aware that it was the new home we were building for ourselves. Everyone seemed very excited and I was surprised to learn that I was also helping build this world. Was the dream figurative or dimensionally literal - I don't know.

StephenW11UK:

Over the last 15-12 years I've been quite aware of what that inner voice has
been saying: "others can do it but you won't be able to".

I feel I also have this "firewall". For me I have made it mean that I must not strive for things of this world because it is not why I am here. To measure my success "at my efforts at growth" by societal standards is fruitless, unfair and discouraging.

Once I knocked on that cosmic door and no one answered. So I pounded on it and nothing happened. After several unanswered attempts, each more vigorous than the last, I gave up and fell into despair. Then in the midst of my darkest moment I mused this sideways thought, "Maybe I should open the door and see who is so eager to get in."
That immediately sent a chill up my spine. And I quickly dismissed the notion.

I think maybe I am on the other side, thinking I am on this side trying to get to where I already am - and I don't know it...

[korstemplar]

Hi all. I just finished the interview with Bill and Inelia and I must admit that I was'nt expecting very much as far as content is concerned. That all changed about 40 minutes into the interview. As I was watching I could'nt help but notice a subtle change in the way I started viewing this interview and the way I was seeing and "FEELING" it at the moment it started to change for me. This lady has definitely touched me in a positive way and absolutely raised my vibrations as well as heightened my awareness to even a higher level. Thank you, Inelia. I will be looking forward to seeing more of your work in the future.

Ja Ne;-)

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by sirac (here)
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On the other hand, I would love to hear a theory of non-reincarnation that stands up to the facts as I know them. One reason is that the main (or only) explanation of “dimensions” is that they are like veils, or curtains. So, only when the 3D curtain gets lifted, at death or in astral travel or meditation, do we see the 4D world clearly, and so on. Yet I know that in some sense all the dimensions are already right here, despite the “curtains”.

So, if you can come up with detailed descriptions of what "life" is like for a dead person, I would find that very interesting. What did you see on the cinema screen after you'd come back from intermission, so to speak?

(Apologies to Inelia since this thread is primarily for her responses.)

very cool traineehuman,
what i highlight in the first paragraph,
it would seem that your mode has been to delve into your observations, and that you have put a unified theory of your observations saying ...... reincarnation true.
then when you see a microcosm of your observations being presented with a theory positing nonreincarnation,....in the first paragraph you basically say...make more observations and then you'll see my theory(reincarnation true)_____ but even taking an observation in isolation, it still has to be provided with explainations [fitting it into {what}]............{logical demand...clarify a bit more}
---sorry that you find your thing regurgitated--...this is question{}...this is implication[]-

this is my thing about reincarnation.
before exposed to a mainstream which posited reincarnation,
i knew that exercised consciousness was underbound by a system of i die now, i go to heaven (or a plain i can continue my spiritual evolution)
my first revelations is that the amount we can access now is so little, that we would have to continue within the larger bound ... created things are un-understandable without this,
its just that the thing about now, is that it is like a test to see what you are entitled to carry on with

by the way Traineehuman,
does your theories (u say they self reinforcing by your observations) allow for us to escape from the reincarnation cycle?

so if i take that i will just continue reincarnating on this plain, i might aswell give up now,..or i'll crash or something like that.
also to be downright dirty,...if inelia says she won't be reincarnating again, then i also don't want to reincarnate again (i'll find a way)

that way
consider, if we know that people can manifest their own timeline, & if enough pure people already put themselves into a 'never reincarnate again thing' (not considering the scum who only do this as a crutch)......then their might be a way.
i'm almost 30, almost over the apex of my hill,..i don't know if its my oldness speaking now...but i'd like to see my spirit and movement in a future breed of data-analyzers...
like we have airplanes now, a joy generations before us never had....so to one day the functionality given an analyzer....well that would be like a plane compared to the stone-age we are in now
have more things to say...but my spirit ain't burning now....i hate the sumugness of satisfaction.
at this stage i'm not to worried about 2012, or any immanent event,...just whether i can get out of here alive (with my spirit intact as now)
if things as in a reincarnation model have to depend on the crowd....do not be surprised if i set myself to fully destroying everything {not caring who's tried before or how evil they may have been, i'm beyond good&evil, & when my mind is set to an aim i will go}[/QUOTE]
In my earlier post I believe I wasn’t really assuming reincarnation in order to prove reincarnation, as you claim. Part of what I was saying, though, was that I (and others more clairvoyant than I) do sometimes have direct communication from people who have died. Such (dead) people have not "dissolved" completely at any point, but retain their major flaws after death. My direct, detailed experience is they are not thought forms or personalities, but human beings after death. Some of them certainly claim to be waiting for a rebirth in human form. My point was that a theory of non-reincarnation needs to explain in detail how I can have such direct experiences and communications. These communications don't presuppose reincarnation, but they are evidence that seems to suggest reincarnation. It's up to you to explain why they aren't evidence for reincarnation, and as far as I’m aware, you haven’t done so.

Actually, if I understand your post correctly, you yourself could be accused of assuming non-reincarnation in order to prove non-reincarnation if you aren’t willing to find an explanation for my apparent evidence for reincarnation. Also, I’m not actually a believer in reincarnation. I’m just someone who hasn’t as yet found a theory of non-reincarnation that stands up to scrutiny. As I said, I’d find the latter extremely interesting.

As far as how to transcend (apparent) reincarnation goes, I believe Jake has already explained that eloquently.

[sirac]

greetings Traineehuman,....promptness, impressed,...{promtness:generally a mark of genuity}
getting beyond how we preceive each other (your second last paragraph above)....
....well it would seem all of us jump from an end assumption then into the priors.
(i'm not a freaky academic, they get to fly so low in this life)
oh who's Jake........i'll search for him at a later time within this {thread}....but if he is not, do you mind leaving a full name and link(anyone?)

mine are not observations,
yours are observations.
it would seem in society that we have throughput nodes for rendering stuff. the teachings of a node should not be given out to the 'general public' as many learn within the general public, & the need for them is that they in the correct orientation when they become aware of their node function. (that is why i am against generalizations like the no judgement thing naively considered)

how i read your paragraph of your observations on being able to see dead people i assume Jake might expand on a theme context of acheiving An Aim before passing to another plain.

Greetings. lets not talk to much past each other. we are not so horrible.{if u understand this better, a way to deal with an attack is to know it is against the spirit not the man; now i insult you, subsuming such a general teaching to a man of the node}...actually don't have the energy now for a full evaluation, i'll return at a later point to see if we fully junctured

[Ade]

I've just finished watching the interview WOW! The air positively crackled with the energy between the two of you. The part when Inelia points her finger at the viewer nearly knocked me over! She was suddenly PRESENT right here in my study. Has anyone else experienced this? I was quite literally blown away. Thanks Bill for making me aware of this quite awesome being.

[sirac]

Posted by Ade (here)
PRESENT....................... Has anyone else experienced this? I was quite literally blown away.

yes, all of us have, and we have deeply engraved Inelia on our path.
to Inelia we say greetings from us old to you new.
(but most of us oldies seem amnesic,...i could say i am old, cause i draw on old traditions...but i'm not sure if this greeting applies for the rest of you)

[EileenCookies]

Reading the this thread today, I got a hit that Inelia has finished whatever she intended to do (with her video). ie reached the people she needed too!

Note: She, Inelia, is doing an free teleconference with Rene Lucia later this week, the 9th.
www.unplugfromthepatriarchy.com

It isn't mention on the front page of this website. You have to dig to find the part of the website devoted to teleconferences.

I assume it will be made into an audio pod cast for later review. But if you want to ask Inelia a question, you can go to the website and find out how (as a small part of the teleconference will be Q&A with Inelia.

[Camilo]

I would say that Inelia has just began her journey, by going public. Just wait.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I wrote a short post but it was denied by the universe.

I was not to say a certain philosopher made his carreer on declaring that God was dead.

Nor to say that it is time that does not exist - which makes re-incarnation a moot point.

And certainly, I'm not to say that it is not God who is dead but that in fact it is we who are, as we currently live our lives. We are dead to our true reality.

Well, I said it anyway...

Peace

[Curt]

The interview was incredible, and one of the very best put out by Bill or Kerry. I hope there will be more.

[Titan Orion]

Hi Inelia

I was just wondering, are you able to do viewings of people in any fashion? Can you read peoples auras? And if so, is this something you can do from a distance or only when that person is physically present?

[WhiteFeather]

Thanks Bill and Inelia. I watched this video several times and need to watch it more, simply breathtaking to say the least, the more i watch it the more i feel connected to everything with the perspectives of what our mission is from source. Inelia is an amazing soul, her voice her information and the values she will bring to each Lightworker, Gaia and The Universe. Thank You Bill for a wonderful video, And May I say you are amazing as well with all the work you do for us in helping to connect the dots and put all into perspective in this timeline. And Thank You Inelia, you are inspiring many of us From The Collective Of Light To The Collective Of Light.

PS My Gratitude to Project Avalon for making me a full time member today.

~Be Love And One With The Universe, Infinitely~ In Light, ~*Whitefeather*~