Consciousness Calibration - Spiritual & Personal Growth inside

[modwiz]

Posted by Jayke (here)

Posted by Eternal_One (here)
Personal belief when i calibrated you and others without knowing anything about you?

Lmao

this isn't a cattle market, if you brand a person with a few numbers it doesn't give you any authority or insight into the totality of who they are as a human.
You calibrated a part of us maybe within a small snapshot window of time but did you really calibrate the whole of us...honestly? being in the highly intellectual band does that mean I can't move into a state of love, Joy, forgiveness...anything on those levels above the band you you placed me on. We're all divine beings we can move into any of those higher levels and back down again with the snap of our fingers once we learn how. Even a Jesus was able to experience rage, a buddha knows the sorrows of pride...it's through their experience of those things that they get to teach us the importance of transmuting those aspects of our reality. We contain within us the totality of everything and there's no getting around that, we each have to accept that we're gods in our own right and any attempt to label our current experience of reality may give us a small amount of insight but it can also hold us back and put barriers up where their wasn't any before.

The most tragic mistake any human can make is to believe their perception of reality is reality itself - Richard Bandler

By Richard Hawkins own admission we're all high enough on here to calibrate our own realities with a high level of integrity. There is a way we can prove this calibration empirically right now and that's for everyone who's received a score of over 200 to do their own readings and everyone post all the results they've found. I guarantee everyone will have varying results based on their own subconscious beliefs and information they've picked up about each other. I did a reading on you eternal one and it came back 621, how does that fit in with your current self image? This kineseology is just too subjective to be of significant value when it comes to discerning the character of others...on yourself it's a perfect tool for change but like I've said a few times already, on external reality it falls way short to be of any real value IMO

I smelled this this point of view coming. The Elite watch as we complain about giveaways rather than not taking them or taking them and walking away.

Thank you Eternal One for being selfless enough to offer something that you had to know would produce this effect in a few here.

Love compels us to do no less.

[Jayke]

Posted by modwiz (here)
I smelled this attack coming from this one. First to ask for a sample though. The Elite watch as we complain about giveaways rather than not taking them or taking them and walking away.

I am guessing this one did not like his score.

Thank you Eternal One for being selfless enough to offer something that you had to know would produce this effect in a few here.

Love compels us to do no less.

Was it really an attack or just a point of view, no one has addressed any of my concerns regarding this calibration game being nothing more than projection games...I'm wielding the sword of truth at the process of calibration not against any individuals involved, if people want to take sides thats fine but I have geniuine concerns over Hawkins calibration methods and i'm looking for deeper insight, which no one has yet been able to offer because they're too busy projecting attacks of their own.

[Jayke]

i was first to ask for a sample because I had a strong intuition that this calibration process was based on projection. When the reading came back and didn't match up to my experience of reality then I knew my intuitions to be true. And now I'm addressing my intuitions, opening myself up to attack to resolve the misgivings I have about the process and I end up getting attacked in return. Lets address the concerns and not make this personal shall we, there's still questions that deserve to be answered.

[ceetee9]

This is the first I've heard of David R. Hawkins and kinesiology, but I was highly skeptical of this "consciousness calibration" so I did a quick search and came up with the following assessment of claims made in his book Power vs. Force http://www.spiritualteachers.org/david_hawkins.htm--for what it's worth. My intent is not to refute his claims, but just to provide another point of view.

[greybeard]

Leaving aside the calibrations.
Having studied the teachings of enlightened masters for years I will say that his teachings are virtually identical in essence to the rest.
I could not fault him on any of it.
The value is that he is teaching for a western culture so the likes of the Indian teachers reference to the Vedas -- Sanskrit etc are kept short relevant and understandable.
The map of consciousness is helpful as a guide, never mind the calibrating-- you can identify were you are and what you need to do from reading the resume of it.
It is very similar to psychiatric guides for evaluating levels of mental health.

You will always find critical comments on the net some valid some not.
People who are successful attract comment
His resume is impressive so I would suggest you check it out.
As said the teaching in the books is valid and impressive in its detail.

Regards Chris

http://www.veritaspub.com/index.php?page=about

[Carolin]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Leaving aside the calibrations.
Having studied the teachings of enlightened masters for years I will say that his teachings are virtually identical in essence to the rest.
I could not fault him on any of it.
The value is that he is teaching for a western culture so the likes of the Indian teachers reference to the Vedas -- Sanskrit etc are kept short relevant and understandable.
The map of consciousness is helpful as a guide, never mind the calibrating-- you can identify were you are and what you need to do from reading the resume of it.
It is very similar to psychiatric guides for evaluating levels of mental health.

You will always find critical comments on the net some valid some not.
People who are successful attract comment
His resume is impressive so I would suggest you check it out.
As said the teaching in the books is valid and impressive in its detail.

Regards Chris

http://www.veritaspub.com/index.php?page=about

I agree 100% Chris!! I love love love Dr David Hawkins!!! His theories absolutely resonate with me and his talks always make me laugh. I do think his teachings could be influenced by his Catholic upbringing but I think all teachings are tainted by the vessel they are carried in.

[RMorgan]

Hello brother!

I´ve sent you a PM, but feel free to answer me here as well! I would really appreciate your readings!

Thank you so much in advance,

Raf.

[truthseekerdan]

I know many will not like what I have to say, and might even attack me. However, I believe it's my duty to speak out. Spirituality today has become a quasi-religion with many 'mind concepts', ideas and practices. True Spirituality has nothing to do with any of those things. Jesus said to unite and love one another. A mind that sees a world without love sees a world divided. As long as we perceive the world as divided, we are in conflict. When we want only love we will see nothing but love. The only thing we are able to give to anyone is love. The only thing we can receive from anyone is love. If we believe we have received anything else, it is because we thought we had the ability to give something else. We alone can make the decision to finally come together in Unity and Unconditional Love, or argue and fight over mind matters and be controlled and exploited by TPTB.

Much Unity and Love Consciousness

[hholder]

May I have a reading also Eternal_One?

[sanjosenian]

Very interesting thread...I'm curious now! May I have a reading too, Eternal_One?

Thanks.

Sanjosenian

[pharoah21]

Pharoah21 also requesting a reading Eternal_One?

Many thanks

Great thread btw

[Carmody]

Posted by Eternal_One (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Eternal_One (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
I would be interested in a reading from you. Thank you, for your efforts, in advance .

Hello modwiz,

I got 639.

Much blessings to you.

you are making me curious now....

Are you asking for a calibration or not?

Well, my back could use some work, but that's Modwiz's department. (Jacob's Ladder context)

Like a game of Blackjack, 'hit me'.

[Eternal_One]

Posted by Jayke (here)
i was first to ask for a sample because I had a strong intuition that this calibration process was based on projection. When the reading came back and didn't match up to my experience of reality then I knew my intuitions to be true. And now I'm addressing my intuitions, opening myself up to attack to resolve the misgivings I have about the process and I end up getting attacked in return. Lets address the concerns and not make this personal shall we, there's still questions that deserve to be answered.

Well, if you make your mind before the thing happen. Then for sure the result will meet what you expected. Now i have already calibrated thousands of people and books, I know what kind of reaction it bring for some.

I speak from experience, this method is really effective, if you understand it is not perfect and the limitation. Your sword of truth is only yours. I dont claim to speak the truth, it is not the realm of anyone here in 3D to speak the truth. Even Jesus kept silent when someone asked him what is the truth. The truth is not something you can explain with words, it is something to be experienced. If someone say they speak truth, I would be very very suspicious.

I just talk from direct experience and discernement. But if it does not resonate with you, all good. I dont disagree that we all have the potential for being a jesus or a buddha, I just say that there is a way to mesure your spiritual progress. And yes it is useful for some spiritual seeker. The same way you get grade at School. Don't get me wrong, we are all One, everybody make it sooner or later. I too promote unity, compassion and unconditionnal love above all.

People that want to see the world divided will always see it that way. This method is useful because it force you to work on yourself even more. To say that we are all at the same level is foolish. There is a progression. There is a path.

Now I know this thread will be useful for some, and some will find it bull****. There is no way to please everybody anyway. If you dont like the calibration method, at the very least read the teachings of enlightened beings.

Trust your own experience and use discernment .

[Eternal_One]

Posted by hholder (here)
May I have a reading also Eternal_One?

Hello, I got 530.

Much Blessings to you

[Eternal_One]

Posted by sanjosenian (here)
Very interesting thread...I'm curious now! May I have a reading too, Eternal_One?

Thanks.

Sanjosenian

Hello Sanjosenian,

I got 483.



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Posted by pharoah21 (here)
Pharoah21 also requesting a reading Eternal_One?

Many thanks

Great thread btw

Hello,

I got 627.

[pharoah21]

Thanks for that Eternal_One, I admire how you decide to this for us without expecting anything in return, and continuing to do readings for people while receiving a whole lot of negative comments.

Very admirable. Thank you.

[Eternal_One]

Posted by pharoah21 (here)
Thanks for that Eternal_One, I admire how you decide to this for us without expecting anything in return, and continuing to do readings for people while receiving a whole lot of negative comments.

Very admirable. Thank you.

A novice once went to Abbot Macario to ask his advice on how best to please the Lord. 'Go to the cemetery and insult the dead,' said Macario.

The brother did as he was told. The following day, he went back to Macario. 'Did they respond?' asked the Abbot.

'No,' said the novice.

'Then go and praise them instead.'

The novice obeyed. That same afternoon, he went back to the Abbot, who again asked if the dead had responded.

'No, they didn't,' said the novice.

'In order to please the Lord, do exactly as they did,' Macario told him.

'Take no notice of men's scorn or of their praise; in that way, you will be able to build your own path.'

[pharoah21]

I'm sure my results would have jumped after reading that

[Jayke]

Was it 800 or 900 on the scale where enlightened beings stop seeing the world in terms of good and evil, dark light, positive negative. I trust there's value for us all to learn from that teaching.

I mentioned in an early post about the skandhas from buddhism and tried to align them with the scale. Since even love when expressed in words is nothing more than a concept in the mind and after listening to everyones view...it's clear the whole calibration process itself exists within the skandha of conception. Not that there isn't value in that, I've already mentioned several times how calibration can be an excellent tool for personal growth...no one has or was calling it bull****. Is it possible that the percieved negative connotation of that word is a projection you've subconsciously attached to the process. When we make our mind up about anything, when we attach greatness to anything, that greatness casts a shadow and it's polar opposite is formed in the darkness. That bull**** came out of your subconscious and is yours to process, noone elses.

Christians find value in the bible yet it can only take them so far on their spiritual journey, at some point we have to move past all the concepts of the mind and start to cast light onto our shadows...only by dropping our concepts of what's good and what's bad can we start to bring down the walls we've created inside our minds and experience true liberation.

'wherever there is attachment association with it brings endless misery' - gampopa

The message I've been trying to get across, that has been perceived so negatively by many, is that calibration is just another mind trap, it's a minefield for the ego...only by moving past it completely, along with all the conceived notions of scales, layers, levels, emotions, states...can we start to feel the freedom of a truly enlightened being, all concepts must be left behind on the path. This is what all the enlightened masters from the past have been telling us since the dawn of man.
It's the reason why Jesus couldn't speak when asked what is the truth, it's because labelling something or attaching a value to it taints its true form and obscures it's true nature. By remaining silent he was demonstrating what it means to be enlightened, to exist in a still pure mind without the clouds of thought or speech obscuring our view of reality. When there are no clouds in the sky the sun can shine brightly on our entire world without us casting shadows on our surroundings. That's what it means to have pristine awareness, to be free of conceptual thought...or as they call it in Zen, 10000 clear miles of sky.

all words, all thoughts, all emotions are impermanant...the only thing that remains is unclouded pristine awareness. it's ok to cloud it up as we try to set a new direction for ourselves but once we step out on that journey, it's important to leave all the baggage at the door and walk naked into the ocean of awareness.

In alchemy they tell us we have to stay in a no thought samadhi for 100 days in order to kick start the internal alchemy process whereby the physical body transforms into a body of light...we won't be able to achieve that if we're constantly using our minds to quantify, calibrate and label things. Chi follows thought, by externalising our thoughts and projecting them onto our surroundings we're giving away the alchemical ingredient that cleans us out and opens us up to the greater experience of reality that everyone is looking for on this journey. We have to take ownership of our projections, return the chi to our bodies and process it thereby transforming us completely from the inside out...mind, body and spirit in unity... most people just focus on the mind aspect of transformation which is why the majority fall short of ever reaching a truly enlightened existance.

Playing around in the skandha of conception though is necassary for everyone to truly understand the inner workings of our minds and only by doing that will we be able to step out of that and move on to purifying the next skandhas...this is what the enlightened buddhas have been teaching us for several thousand years so if everyone else wants to continue playing then I'll leave you all too it. I've said my peace so I'll take my leave. Hope you all find what you're looking for.

[Eternal_One]

Posted by Jayke (here)
Was it 800 or 900 on the scale where enlightened beings stop seeing the world in terms of good and evil, dark light, positive negative. I trust there's value for us all to learn from that teaching.

I mentioned in an early post about the skandhas from buddhism and tried to align them with the scale. Since even love when expressed in words is nothing more than a concept in the mind and after listening to everyones view...it's clear the whole calibration process itself exists within the skandha of conception. Not that there isn't value in that, I've already mentioned several times how calibration can be an excellent tool for personal growth...no one has or was calling it bull****. Is it possible that the percieved negative connotation of that word is a projection you've subconsciously attached to the process. When we make our mind up about anything, when we attach greatness to anything, that greatness casts a shadow and it's polar opposite is formed in the darkness. That bull**** came out of your subconscious and is yours to process, noone elses.

Christians find value in the bible yet it can only take them so far on their spiritual journey, at some point we have to move past all the concepts of the mind and start to cast light onto our shadows...only by dropping our concepts of what's good and what's bad can we start to bring down the walls we've created inside our minds and experience true liberation.

'wherever there is attachment association with it brings endless misery' - gampopa

The message I've been trying to get across, that has been perceived so negatively by many, is that calibration is just another mind trap, it's a minefield for the ego...only by moving past it completely, along with all the conceived notions of scales, layers, levels, emotions, states...can we start to feel the freedom of a truly enlightened being, all concepts must be left behind on the path. This is what all the enlightened masters from the past have been telling us since the dawn of man.
It's the reason why Jesus couldn't speak when asked what is the truth, it's because labelling something or attaching a value to it taints its true form and obscures it's true nature. By remaining silent he was demonstrating what it means to be enlightened, to exist in a still pure mind without the clouds of thought or speech obscuring our view of reality. When there are no clouds in the sky the sun can shine brightly on our entire world without us casting shadows on our surroundings. That's what it means to have pristine awareness, to be free of conceptual thought...or as they call it in Zen, 10000 clear miles of sky.

all words, all thoughts, all emotions are impermanant...the only thing that remains is unclouded pristine awareness. it's ok to cloud it up as we try to set a new direction for ourselves but once we step out on that journey, it's important to leave all the baggage at the door and walk naked into the ocean of awareness.

In alchemy they tell us we have to stay in a no thought samadhi for 100 days in order to kick start the internal alchemy process whereby the physical body transforms into a body of light...we won't be able to achieve that if we're constantly using our minds to quantify, calibrate and label things. Chi follows thought, by externalising our thoughts and projecting them onto our surroundings we're giving away the alchemical ingredient that cleans us out and opens us up to the greater experience of reality that everyone is looking for on this journey. We have to take ownership of our projections, return the chi to our bodies and process it thereby transforming us completely from the inside out...mind, body and spirit in unity... most people just focus on the mind aspect of transformation which is why the majority fall short of ever reaching a truly enlightened existance.

Playing around in the skandha of conception though is necassary for everyone to truly understand the inner workings of our minds and only by doing that will we be able to step out of that and move on to purifying the next skandhas...this is what the enlightened buddhas have been teaching us for several thousand years so if everyone else wants to continue playing then I'll leave you all too it. I've said my peace so I'll take my leave. Hope you all find what you're looking for.

I totally agree with you. However not everybody is to the point of reaching samadhi for 100 days. To say that this method is useless for very advanced spiritual beings, hence useless for all others is again missing the point.

About the bull part, this is nothing personal to you. I already had thousands of feedback from others people, you cannot please everyone. This doesnt come from my subconscious, it comes from previous feedbacks. I wont bother to promote this method if I was thinking it to be bull. haha.

This method having the possibility to be an ego trap was pretty much mentionned in the disclaimer part.
Now even if this can be a trap for the ego, at least it use the ego for a noble thing: to force yourself to work on spirituality and personal growth . That is the whole point of the method.
I personaly think that the ego fight is one of the final fight for spiritual seeker. If this method bring everybody there, then all good.

I am just here to bring catalysts and to share some tools for spiritual growth. As every tool, it can used in a "good" or "bad" way.

Yup there is no good or bad, it is all illusion, life is just a grand play to teach you. We are all amnesic friends wearing different mask helping each others.

There is only miseries if you view things as real, when they are not.