The Inelia thread

[9eagle9]

Yes. There are programs that give a false sense of awakening. Nearly any program for awakening is... a program. A method, script, somethign to do, how to act, the roles one assumes. All part of the program. There is nothing in this life that does not represent what is being acted out on the 'allegedly' unseen levels. You reduce enough of your own constructs and you can quite clearly see the programs others are behaving under. If you are not reducing constructs then your perception will not shift enough to observe it.

If one ever wonders why the sun represents the Soul (Sol) its because the Sun never sleeps. Thus has no need to awaken. Who told the sun what to do and how to do it. Does the sun have a contract, a condition, and construct on it? Conditions, contracts agreements, programs, scripts, their all constructs. One is making it. The creation of even more density. Does the sun abide by the 'conditions' of other suns that are possessed of more sunniness?

You are as spiritual as you are physical. Density can be measured, spirit cannot. For those who are 'more spiritual 'than others they are brainwashed by their own program. Because spirit has no density one cannot measure it as more or less. There's no need to seek your spirit or awaken it. It was never asleep The concept of awakening means one opens their eyes to see, but one doesn't see through constructs and density. They are dense. It rather odd to think one may be able to see more clearly by adding more constructs? And density. There are now so many constructs in the making, repeatedly, by the hour, moment, that one has only one place to look for reality. ONE place, ONEness. Through ones journey of singularity one finds....onenesss.

The more you listen to what is external of you...the more you attempt to defeat your own purpose. One is just walking into yet another construct. When one says "I must do this and , and this will happen' you've created a construct.

Phyiscial bodies are all constructs but for some reason we listen to these constructs. Having a hawk land on my deck the Hawk is telling me it wants to eat my chickens. The hawk is SHOWING me of my own vision. Having bats flying about the house , the bat tells me its lost its way, the bat is showing me about the breakdown of my own ego. A construct is not the truth but, spirit finds a way to let us see what truth the construct may represent because spirit imposes influence over all constructs. In spite of all the BS we are exposed to everyday the soul pretty much trumps it all

If one wishes to speak of free energy go find a apple tree. It makes and provides free energy...via the means of the sun. And wha does the sun which is actually another means of free energy.

Spirit. Soul. All free energy.

If we all begin to observe right is in front of our eyes, we will have common frame of perception, and we'd not have to depend on the programs of constructs. A construct will tell you, what is real will show you.

Ask an apple tree, it will show you, but it won't tell you.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I will know when I am enligthened! I will finally be happy. I will finally have a big house, a lot of money, many beautiful girls. I will be honored, listened to, respected. I will be loved.
Until then I refuse to be enligthened. Until then I will be small and angry and sullen. Until then I will struggle and feel pain and agony.

Don't tell me I am enligthened already. I have not recieved my gifts yet (see above).

I am not ready until my demands are met.

And that's final.

What a load of BS!

Peace

[greybeard]

Enlightenment is "souly" by the Grace of God.
Namaste

[greybeard]

You cant make enlightenment happen, the best one can do is remove obstacles.
Every step forward does make life easier though and is therefore well worth the effort involved.

C

[Ernie Nemeth]

My point is that by putting demands on the concept of enlightenment effectively disengages the subject from the goal.

Enlightenment is not a state we can understand from without. We cannot put our expectations on it. It is not anything like anything we have experienced before.

By putting demands on the conditions for enlightenment keeps enlightenment from ever happening.

That's why they say: Let go and let God.

[greybeard]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
My point is that by putting demands on the concept of enlightenment effectively disengages the subject from the goal.

Enlightenment is not a state we can understand from without. We cannot put our expectations on it. It is not anything like anything we have experienced before.

By putting demands on the conditions for enlightenment keeps enlightenment from ever happening.

That's why they say: Let go and let God.

Agree totally Ernie.
I wrote elsewhere that you can do a thesis a doctorate on an orange without every seeing or tasting one.
So many talk of enlightenment without being in that state.
I only spend time reading those who are in that state, because their words are the carrier of the energy of state of enlightenment.
That raises the readers consciousness.
Second hand info is second hand.
Not unhelpful but short energetically of a masters energy.

Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

So modest, Greybeard.

Thou art a master.

And so it is !

[greybeard]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
So modest, Greybeard.

Thou art a master.

And so it is !

I wish Lol
I can only share what I found to be helpful as you do.
I suppose I am off topic again though the essence of the thread is spiritual

Chris
Namaste

[sirac]

after my recent bout of spiritual depression....
(hi nameth, i maintain the man is an excellent initiate...he has all the raging thoughts which would fit oh so perfectly in a higher model....he'd have to appear to leave the path, to return with new insights to those of the path)
on this page, with that thought of reincarnating endless with YOU on this plain...

i chanced upon a book in that time...& in these things i beleive i am lead,
I came across this saying:
TERRIBILIS EST LOCUS ISTE ---- This Place is Terrible.................{oh this whole world is terrible considering reincarnation as a reality}
& that saying is presided near by a statue of a demon
(the ethology/etiology of this is that in that mythology Good and Bad came together to fight, & create rules of a game by which to fight by...the demon in question being the one who proposed this never ending game for us).
also of those sayings is this: And In Arcadia I....,
which as the authors point out is almost an insensiblee latin saying.....unless the latin letters/words are rearranged to say this:BEGONE! I CONCEAL THE SECRETS OF GOD.

if u sense the energy...you will know why i stop here

[NeverMind]

Posted by greybeard (here)
You cant make enlightenment happen, the best one can do is remove obstacles.

Indeed, that is the "secret" of the greatest arcana. We don't have to add anything; everything we need is already there.
Allowing something to happen, opening up in order to receive, getting oneself - one's fear-ridden rational mind - out of the way... that's the trick.

[sirac]

ever heard of this kabalistic teaching...
the division of 5 putative worlds
when one ascends, than one's view of the world in the new level[world] changes.....objects that were there previously now have different conoted visions.

so it is, .......don't bother myself..........only wonder the relative world of the person and filter appropriately.

i thinks inelia has withdrawn herself, cause she has ascended a world, her relative vision and mission will become different.

(so no nay sayers of the average)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Sirac, sounds like the ancient wisdom teaching of the five ages of man. I think we are supposed to be entering the last age.

The Kabalistic teaching of the tree of life teaches three paths to enlightenment the two paths of the pillars and the center way. I'd have to get out my notes but I believe there are five levels of ascension. Is that what "the division of 5 putative worlds" refers to? - the horizontal levels of the tree of life?

Inelia began a process. We are working it out.

I'm sure she follows along...

[hexenomega]

its not the person you agreed with, but the one you didnt is the partial key

[TOTHE]

Something here to keep us encouraged in our work.

After analyzing this information posted below I am going to try to do something different with my light body. I will visualize the normal cleansing of the LB with Gaia and "Sun Diving" exercise ...then I will go into the "Cold Zone" between the Galaxies, away from all the traps and mind control. I want the light body to go into the region where there is only me with the dark matter and energy of the Universe just to bathe in the vibration of the nothingness and listen to the whisper and be part of the Source of all life. When the light body returns to me I hope something filters down into my thick skull, past all the traps and Thoughtforms populating the Etheric Bands. It is like staging a solo prison break and returning to help my fellow inmates raise their vibrations so we can all have a collective prison break..it's no fun for me unless others are in the gang (or game) with me.

A distant echo from the past: In 604 BCE, Laozi gave a small a piece of advice on the spirit with visualization of the outcome as already completed and detachment from the outcome. Success is never measured by the outcome but by the steps taken or action. Detaching from the bondage of outcome, of control and manipulation, of scene or process...if we can do that in our daily activity we can free that which binds us to a lower vibration, IMHO

"He who looks will not see it;
He who listens will not hear it;
He who gropes will not grasp it.
The formless nonentity, the motionless source of motion.
The infinite essence of the spirit is the source of life.
Spirit is self.

Walls form and support a room,
yet the space between them is most important.
A pot is formed of clay,
yet the space formed therein is most useful.
Action is caused by the force of nothing on something,
just as the nothing of spirit is the source of all form.

One suffers great afflictions because one has a body.
Without a body what afflictions would one suffer?
When one cares more for the body than for his own spirit,
one becomes the body and looses the way of the spirit.

The self, the spirit, creates illusion.
The delusion of Man is that reality is not an illusion.
One who creates illusions and make them more real than reality,
follows the path of the spirit and finds the way of heaven."

The above quote was excerpted from page 97 of this 319 page PDF link below. (it takes awhile to get through this and the ton of footnotes, confirms what Bob Dean is trying to hint at)
It appears that theis is an 1947 interrogation of an AI. It looks like the "mind control trap" has been disabled since then, that is why Inelia's higher self so unique. The ball is now in play Boys and Girls..so lets have some fun in this game and give the Universe a show they won't forget.

http://exopoliticshongkong.com/uploa..._Interview.pdf

[nomadguy]

enlightenment to me is something you discover. And just like that the feeling is gone. You have moved past it.
I do not think it is a permanent state of being, it takes work and devotion to BE enlightened at all times. And that is a feat that seems almost undo-able to me at present. If I get a few moments here and there I know I am on the right path. So to me enlightenment is the AHA moment within us.
It activates all on its own. SO in that way ~ yes you are already... enlightened.
Somewhere within your being, enlightenment is waiting to be activated into a resonant action or feeling.
BUT... Can YOU sustain that feeling from that point on through eternity?
Seems like a tough task, but then again, if you let your ego go.
Let it be merely a part of you, fully expressed,
I mean ego in an almost physical way, it is your current self awareness.
Face this part of yourself and then choose to not let your ego-self awareness consume your every thought and feeling.
If you can do that, then maybe... And just to leave it on a positive note, I think you can. All of us can do it.

[sirac]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Sirac, sounds like the ancient wisdom teaching of the five ages of man. I think we are supposed to be entering the last age.

The Kabalistic teaching of the tree of life teaches three paths to enlightenment the two paths of the pillars and the center way. I'd have to get out my notes but I believe there are five levels of ascension. Is that what "the division of 5 putative worlds" refers to? - the horizontal levels of the tree of life?

Inelia began a process. We are working it out.

I'm sure she follows along...

i'm very surprised to be replyed too, that does not often happen. beginning of a new week and new meditations.

5 putative worlds.....let me clarify. i'm not the best teacher....i'm sure there are other Kabalists floating around Avalon (I've encountered 2--- hey Kabalists, what does the number 33 mean to u guys?)....i'm not the best teacher, cause i am an applicationist.....what applies to me is the phrase "forgotten more than a novice would get to know"(there is a similar proper phrase, but thats my systemization of the phrase).
the 5 worlds ....names:.....the highest one is Azilute (pronounciation right sp. but actually wrong sp.) and Beria is another.
anyways (this i got from Bnei Burush {wr.sp!}), all objects within the 5 worlds are the same. but starting from the lowest [lets say..] when one ascends to a higher one, than coming to the higher[2nd] one, one[you] views the objects {i.e. same objects present in the world u had access to before} but they have a different meaning and orientation.

u can hear i am a kabalist no more; but it appeals to me. consider that they say the bible is only the 'bereucrized{bureaucracy} version', or the administrative system to manage a mass, the research version actually belonged to the kabalist segment. Also if u've broken through religion, than you know their heavy emotionalised language. kabala is almost like pure math (one of a higher flavour can hardly take offense). one goes to it [kabala] cause one feels one has grown to the limit in normal religions....but Kabalists aren't ready for the infusion...cause they from a 1st school they try and alter current teaching {if u've come to kabala, that's your 2nd school....kabalists normally having inexperience cause they on a 1st school {c i don't mean 1st and 2nd in the prioritized meaning of those indicators[1st&2nd]}}. Like i trust foreigners & not my own countrymen to get thc to me, so too wouldn't i trust a human to teach me kabala...it would have to be a 3rd party that can see immediately where i juncture & what needs to be thought me...((but secretly privately i depend on the Holy Spirit {i still retain the conversation with jesus thing/love it}))

notice especially the context of silence. silence in some things is the thought answer.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi Sirac,

Your answer makes me think of the spiralling nature of wisdom/knowledge. As one becomes more knowledgable the same topics are visited again and their relative meanings have changed. Spiralling outward, this knowledge circles wider and wider in ever more inclusive bouts of recognition. Spiralling inward, this same knowledge becomes increasingly centered and focused. Together, this inward/outward surge meets at the boundary of all knowledge/wisdom - where in meets out. It is this point, this membrane, this vast topographical contour of reality, this field that is the truth and Source of all life and all realities.

And I imagine that membrane as the place of true silence.

Peace

[TOTHE]

Enlightenment and the confusion to equate it to perfection which is impossible in this density.

chapter 19 discussion
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...oise/opc19.htm

For further reading: The Only Planet of Choice in it's entirety
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...e/contents.htm

What I say now is my own opinion as an non-adept looking at the data and my own conclusions:

To achieve our prison break we need activate our DNA by utilizing more of our heart chakra of the emerald green.
Since the chakras are windows to the soul we may be concentrating too much on the power chakras of the crown and throat.
Starting lower in the heart looks like it is better place to start raising the vibration of the collective..love and life is more understood in this density by the collective. The steady pressure against the bars will cause the collective to move in a less destructive way to higher vibration during the break out.

If we use the power chakras too much we would be lacking finesse: How do you open a door? With a jackhammer or a battering ram..or just turn the knob? I don't want to see my Fundamentalist Christian, Fundamentalist Moslem or Orthodox Jewish brothers being left behind wading through centuries of distortions before figuring out how reality really works....they are our friends and teachers, we need them with us too..they will be and always will be part of our evolution.. within our disagreements with them at times are truely the seeds of wisdom.

To all reading this I send you light, love, tenacity and courage.

[sirac]

Interesting things happen here, & interesting knowledge is dropped,

Indeed Nemeth, i see your have systemized the explaination, , now i feel slightly more at home
{within something called Mayan Dreamspell i learnt of the multivariateness of personality. one personality by its functions overlaps with others in clans, one being part of many clans}....of our clan ... men of this node {i have not seen women yet, i'm honest, but i have seen the likes of Kerry feeding us}, of this node function ..welcome Nemeth,welcome myself.

tothe...i'll have a look at that. indeed if one is aware of themself & has built their own chakra then 'crown' & 'throat' chakras would be dominant. emerald is a dominant colour with the riches of Soloman. & indeed if he was an apex, then i need to find on what his technique was about {{know u didn't say that, but i enter it through the gate which is best for me}}

...serendipidy, u [tothe] have raized it, & it has been on my spirit.
..but again i cannot now speak of it in full context...but veiled in a window sothat those of the putative 5 worlds may access what they want..
--damn, i can speak of it by so many narratives, but what is the core of the spirit & what is eminent for now.
"indeed secularization posited judism islam & christianity at opposing ends of the spectrum (i mention christianity last, cause it has no tradition relative to the others, almost lacking those structures, but what can be said of it is that it was the wide-dest phase barrier which allowed the most promalguation of consciousness,..that is however why i despise them,.. its like a good car that becomes fashionable, & by virtue of becoming fashionable, actually becoming out,.. like the bmw, it is still my houses primary car, & when i'm in it nothing behind that wheel surpasses me in skill)"
..now that i've wasted my time on you, consider the highest strongest and most ancient clan have left those of christianity islam & judism to rot in their own flesh, letting them emigrate on mass to the Full Eastern religions, while they took the central tenets of all 3 of those and became stronger and more eminent beyond imagination.
infact seen from my perspective in my world window, these are why the flows of secularization have been allowed to continue, & why christianity especially is being allowed to die a slow death in the public domain, so-that people abandon those 'strength structures', those idiots, those supposed rulers of the world, will then come forth with their treasure.(interesting, i must apply they technique of domination in a more mundane setting...deceiving the masses to leave the treasure)

[WhiteFeather]

"Enlightenment is not a process, but a sudden leap".