Being over-positive.

[Tony]

Being over-positive.

Being over-positive can be stressful and can cover up reality, turning reality into something which it is not. It can be misleading, as it is trying to make what is perfect, more perfect.

There is a huge wave of over-positiveness sweeping the modern world. It makes claims which are beyond people's reach. It's wanting to create a new you. It makes a big deal out of itself. It makes many claims.

This is a very subtle business, positivity. There is negativity and there is positivity: they are both fine and useful. But when we get into negative negativity and positive positivity we run into trouble.

Negative negativity is justifying a mistaken view. It is an illusion just turned into delusion.
Positive positivity is justifying a real view. It is turning reality into a ritual.

In ancient Sanskrit text, there are three aspects of our nature described as the three Gunas: Tamas, Rajas and Sattva. Tamas is a sleepy state. Rajas is an active state and Sattva is an awakened state. They are called the three thieves.

Tamas represents dullness. Rajas represents excitement. Sattva represents stillness. It's easy to see that the first two are thieves to our being, but it is not so easy to see in the third - Sattva. It is the clinging to Sattva that takes us down to the other two states. All three states are beneficial, but when we identify with them they become demonic.

This is what meditation is all about – constantly letting go. Depending on our temperament, the negative or positive aspects of our nature can be used. We can use aversion as the path. We can use desire as the path. We can actually use ignorance as the path.

Ignorance is interesting. Ignorance means indifference, don't care, spaced out. Lacking spaciousness. But that can be turned into a spacious, carefree quality.

So we can all work in different ways.
Telling someone else how they should be, is not wise.


Tony

[The One]

Telling someone else how they should be, is not wise

Exactly my friend and lets remember every sixty seconds you spend angry, upset or mad, is a full minute of happiness you'll never get back.Life is short, Occasionally Bend the rules, Forgive quickly, Kiss slowly, Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably, And never regret anything that made you smile.

Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we should dance xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Great new pic by the way

[Billy]

Yes i agree that many are over positive Tony. The way i see it is this way, We have positive and negative and neutral or ground or earthing. When both positive and negative are in balance we are able to create the spark or light.

But we can have an unbalanced negative or an unbalanced positive, either takes one out of centre and grounding and out of balance.

A balanced positive with a balanced negative is where the centre is found. This helps us stay neutral and grounded while being able to shine the spark of light that is created.

[DoubleHelix]

The keyword here is: Balance.

The first thing I think of when I hear "over-positive" is the New age, love and lighters. Such an imbalance of positivity lures one into a false sense of belief. In addition, they're unknowingly super charging the polar opposite in this game of balance - pure evil. (aka lord sid... lol)

A wise man walks the middle ground coloured by the shades of gray.

[Erich]

Happy Sad Good Bad Up Down Left Right Male Female Plus Minus You Me

[Steven]

I see your point Pie'n'eal, but being over-negative seems rather much more present and spread out in the world, doing much more damage unconsciously.

Namaste, Steven

[Tarka the Duck]

I love the distinction you make between "negativity" and "negative negativity"!

My path has never been the way of 'love and light', although sometimes I wish it was, as it might have been so much easier. There have been times when I have felt as if I was an evil influence when in the company of people who are naturally so gentle and peaceful...but I am just not made that way! It has been a tough path, but I wouldn't have it any other way.

Of course, I don't go out of my way to be what many might term 'negative', and I never have any intention of harming anyone - but I do find the grit in the oyster is of far more use than the pearl...for me, that is just a trinket...

Best wishes
Kathie

[Peace of Mind]

Life is probably the biggest test your soul will ever have to face. Every intelligent being knows the difference between right and wrong…where right is to care for and flourish, while wrong is to harm for selfish gains, it’s really just that simple.

Everyday my life is governed by positivity. Actually, I only witness negativity through the media and other people, so the claim of balance in one’s life (imho) is inaccurate.

Everyday the world and its inhabitants cry out. All life suffers due to humans negative precondition mentality. They have become irrational and hypocrites. The human’s blind arrogance and lack of courage has put them into a state of denial and confusion. They want peace, happiness and well being… but they refuse to believe this can be obtained simply thru their thinking. You can’t expect happiness if you indulge in deeds that spawns pessimism….not unless you feed off negative energy…as so many seem to do unknowingly.

I don’t believe there is suppose to be a balance of both. One side can easily rule the other by choice. What is there really to gain from negativity? We already know what it is so why welcome it if we don’t really want it? I can only see kids using it to grow/ learn from. As adults…we should have learned the differences and exercise responsibility by alleviating the negativity through example/pattern…while lessening the hard lessons of life for the young. All negative traits are taught. If you take all the children in the world and put them together they would not showcase racism, greed, or hate for one another. Through the instincts of survival they will figure it out by recognizing each others abilities and use them to co-exist and prosper. It’s the adults with their trained mentality raising young humans into negative accepting beings.

I believe people accept negativity because they lack love and desire to put in that extra work to get the proper results. Too many of us have become lazy and docile, so much so that they look at unfortunate events as a normal way of life, oblivious that their involvement (or lack of) has very little to do with it…at the same time wishing they never have to go through it themselves….but why does anyone have to?

You recognize your desires/wants because negativity was there to show you the difference. It’s a poke in the ribs telling you/warning you of eminent danger. It’s only there to educate you on what not to do. I see it as a temporary training feature of the matrix. It’s mainly there for young humans to enrich their souls, routing them to their destiny, keeping them on task, showing them evidence of turmoil if they don’t straighten up. We, humans (adults) are wise enough to live with out it but way too many of us love living a negative lifestyle (subconsciously). You can see a great deal of negativity, if not all of it through egotism. As long as we continue to think for self…negativity will be close by.

As of now…our world exhibits an unconstructive society (procrastinators, manipulators, instigators, selfishness, greed) and I don’t see how any of this will benefit anyone, especially if they don’t learn from it. However, if the world was filled with love and positivity so much more can be accomplished…this can’t be said if it was the other way around.

Through pure positivity everyone will respect each other, build with each other, understand each other, educate and raise each other. None of this will ever happen if you allow or even except negativity. I could never tell someone negativity is OK. It may be normal but that’s only because we made it that way…no one/thing did this but us. When encountering anything negative…you’re suppose to learn from it so you won’t have to experience it again. To keep doing so…may be more of a mental issue than anything else. So in essence, the world is suffering because the majority of us are actually rejecting the notion of living together in harmony….whether they know this or not. At times, I wonder if the masses even knows what they want...which can also hint at our confused state of mind.

Peace

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello Peace of Mind - I was wondering if you could please define what you mean by "negative". I think we may be talking at cross purposes here.
Thanks
Kathie

[Flash]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Being over-positive.

Being over-positive can be stressful and can cover up reality, turning reality into something which it is not. It can be misleading, as it is trying to make what is perfect, more perfect.

There is a huge wave of over-positiveness sweeping the modern world. It makes claims which are beyond people's reach. It's wanting to create a new you. It makes a big deal out of itself. It makes many claims.

This is a very subtle business, positivity. There is negativity and there is positivity: they are both fine and useful. But when we get into negative negativity and positive positivity we run into trouble.

Negative negativity is justifying a mistaken view. It is an illusion just turned into delusion.
Positive positivity is justifying a real view. It is turning reality into a ritual.

In ancient Sanskrit text, there are three aspects of our nature described as the three Gunas: Tamas, Rajas and Sattva. Tamas is a sleepy state. Rajas is an active state and Sattva is an awakened state. They are called the three thieves.

Tamas represents dullness. Rajas represents excitement. Sattva represents stillness. It's easy to see that the first two are thieves to our being, but it is not so easy to see in the third - Sattva. It is the clinging to Sattva that takes us down to the other two states. All three states are beneficial, but when we identify with them they become demonic.

This is what meditation is all about – constantly letting go. Depending on our temperament, the negative or positive aspects of our nature can be used. We can use aversion as the path. We can use desire as the path. We can actually use ignorance as the path.

Ignorance is interesting. Ignorance means indifference, don't care, spaced out. Lacking spaciousness. But that can be turned into a spacious, carefree quality.

So we can all work in different ways.
Telling someone else how they should be, is not wise.


Tony

Too much prozac and serotonine re-uptake inhibitors, at least in America. This makes one overly positive

Not much to do with meditation........

[Tony]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
Life is probably the biggest test your soul will ever have to face. Every intelligent being knows the difference between right and wrong…where right is to care for and flourish, while wrong is to harm for selfish gains, it’s really just that simple.

Everyday my life is governed by positivity. Actually, I only witness negativity through the media and other people, so the claim of balance in one’s life (imho) is inaccurate.

Everyday the world and its inhabitants cry out. All life suffers due to humans negative precondition mentality. They have become irrational and hypocrites. The human’s blind arrogance and lack of courage has put them into a state of denial and confusion. They want peace, happiness and well being… but they refuse to believe this can be obtained simply thru their thinking. You can’t expect happiness if you indulge in deeds that spawns pessimism….not unless you feed off negative energy…as so many seem to do unknowingly.

I don’t believe there is suppose to be a balance of both. One side can easily rule the other by choice. What is there really to gain from negativity? We already know what it is so why welcome it if we don’t really want it? I can only see kids using it to grow/ learn from. As adults…we should have learned the differences and exercise responsibility by alleviating the negativity through example/pattern…while lessening the hard lessons of life for the young. All negative traits are taught. If you take all the children in the world and put them together they would not showcase racism, greed, or hate for one another. Through the instincts of survival they will figure it out by recognizing each others abilities and use them to co-exist and prosper. It’s the adults with their trained mentality raising young humans into negative accepting beings.

I believe people accept negativity because they lack love and desire to put in that extra work to get the proper results. Too many of us have become lazy and docile, so much so that they look at unfortunate events as a normal way of life, oblivious that their involvement (or lack of) has very little to do with it…at the same time wishing they never have to go through it themselves….but why does anyone have to?

You recognize your desires/wants because negativity was there to show you the difference. It’s a poke in the ribs telling you/warning you of eminent danger. It’s only there to educate you on what not to do. I see it as a temporary training feature of the matrix. It’s mainly there for young humans to enrich their souls, routing them to their destiny, keeping them on task, showing them evidence of turmoil if they don’t straighten up. We, humans (adults) are wise enough to live with out it but way too many of us love living a negative lifestyle (subconsciously). You can see a great deal of negativity, if not all of it through egotism. As long as we continue to think for self…negativity will be close by.

As of now…our world exhibits an unconstructive society (procrastinators, manipulators, instigators, selfishness, greed) and I don’t see how any of this will benefit anyone, especially if they don’t learn from it. However, if the world was filled with love and positivity so much more can be accomplished…this can’t be said if it was the other way around.

Through pure positivity everyone will respect each other, build with each other, understand each other, educate and raise each other. None of this will ever happen if you allow or even except negativity. I could never tell someone negativity is OK. It may be normal but that’s only because we made it that way…no one/thing did this but us. When encountering anything negative…you’re suppose to learn from it so you won’t have to experience it again. To keep doing so…may be more of a mental issue than anything else. So in essence, the world is suffering because the majority of us are actually rejecting the notion of living together in harmony….whether they know this or not. At times, I wonder if the masses even knows what they want...which can also hint at our confused state of mind.

Peace

Dear Peace of mind,


The negative emotions are part of the constructs of a 'self'. They can actually be used to find our way to our true nature.
On a basic level the emotionadage bad things!
On the next level we can find an antidote.
On the next level they are medicine.
On the final level they do not exist.

We all work in a different ways and levels, that is why we can talk at cross purposes and never find a solution.
That is why we have to be wise when talking of such matters.
Philosophers will never agree, Siddhis will always agree.
Thank you for the peace of your mind.

Tony

[Tony]

One of the problems with being over positive is believing you are on the side of the good.
Therefore those others are bad. It creates and us and them.
There is not much distance between, not liking - disliking - aversion - hatred.
Socrates said, "I am a murderer, a thief, a liar. But I know it".
All emotions are within us and control us, but we do not have to let them.

Empathy is knowing how someone else feels. We know how it feels!

[Jake]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
One of the problems with being over positive is believing you are on the side of the good.
Therefore those others are bad. It creates and us and them.
There is not much distance between, not liking - disliking - aversion - hatred.
Socrates said, "I am a murderer, a thief, a liar. But I know it".
All emotions are within us and control us, but we do not have to let them.

Empathy is knowing how someone else feels. We know how it feels!

Well said, my friend. Creating and 'us and them' should be avoided in all that we do. We have created too much divisiveness between each other (as a race) already. Learning to control emotions will create a space of balance. And I believe that that is much needed. Thank you for this post,,, pie'n'eal,, I felt it to the core of me.

It reminds me of a song lyric... "Us, and them,,,,, and after all,,,,, We're only ordinary men."
Jake.

[Jayke]

My interpretation from reading your opening post is that...

being anything is fine, as long as we aren't attached to anything...being overly positive is fine...as long as we aren't attached to that state...like riding a wave, sometimes we'll have high moments, sometimes we'll come crashing back to earth and have occasions where we're overly negative...sometimes we'll just float at the mid-point before being caught up in a wave again that launches us off to the highs and the cycle repeats.

Isn't that what just being is all about...being in flow with the natural rhythms and cycles of life...which begs the question, who are we to decide when we or someone else is being overly positive, who are we to decide when a person is being attached to that state, how do we know that by tomorrow they won't have reached the peak and started flowing down back towards balance again. Aren't we the ones being attached for noticing such attachments in the first place...I like to play a game as I'm moving through the world, something I learned on a forum like this many years ago...pretend everyone else in the world is enlightened and with everything they do, everything they be...they're all teaching me to join them in enlightenment...

everyone around me has mastered the art of just being without attachment...some of them are experiencing the lows, others are experiencing the highs but they're all just being the best they know how in any given moment...it's my job to learn from both and experience both as much as possible so that I can grow in my experiential wisdom regarding the positive and negative aspects of life.

Maybe all we need to ask ourselves is what is it like to just be...in the world...with no past, no future, no sense of self, just enjoying the wave of the moment as it washes and rinses over us...without attachment there is no judgement of negative and positive...only the unfolding of ever new and fresh experience...so to expand on your closing statement

Telling someone else how they should be, is not wise.

I'd say judging someone else for how they're being is not wise either...so I agree with you that it all comes back to learning how we can let go and just be.

[Peace of Mind]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
Hello Peace of Mind - I was wondering if you could please define what you mean by "negative". I think we may be talking at cross purposes here.
Thanks
Kathie

To be negative is to harm.

On another note, not necessarily on topic.

Knowing that we are only here for a brief moment kind of confirms (for me) that my temporary existence here is just a test. To see how miraculous we are and can be is quite riveting but for something so phenomenal (humans) to only be here shortly tells me there is much more to experience once I’m finished here. I don’t see our significance, our potential, and our minds ending here in such a short lifespan. I think in order for me to move to a more pleasant complex system/realm I need to understand this one first (like grade school).

Lets just say Heaven and Hell are real. I have always visualized them as being a state of mind. Just like sleeping, your thoughts/spirits carry into the other realm. If your mind is heavy with negativity you will have nightmares, and vice versus. I suspect dreaming is similar to death…where the mind carries over what it’s use to…but in a place where manifestation is rapid and the canvas of creation is on a much broader scale. This is what hell and heaven is to me.

Here, we create our afterlife through our subconscious. Our subconscious is designed in this realm by the way we perceive life. It’s very hard for me to expect anything of pleasure elsewhere if I can’t achieve it or in the least recognize it fully here. I know the dead tells no tales, but the pros seem to out weigh the cons in all realms when you look at it logically.

Peace

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Tony[/QUOTE]

Too much prozac and serotonine re-uptake inhibitors, at least in America. This makes one overly positive

Not much to do with meditation........[/QUOTE]

haha...

Say no to drugs, specifically the ones handed to you by the FDA. They will hook you and have you medicated on other drugs due to side effects of the first one. The body heals itself if you let it. Drugs don’t heal; they only assist you in tolerating the pain of healing. In fact they make your immune system weaker and dependant because the body was unable to focus properly due to fighting foreign contaminants known as diseases and medication. How can the body design defenses when the doctor is running interference. Examples: The nose produces mucus to trap the foreign agents so you can spit, sneeze, or cough it out. Fevers exist because the body is fighting off the diseases, perhaps by cooking it. The doctor prescribes you an expensive drug that attacks the symptoms (runny nose, fever) not the disease, there’s no money in a cure…and if there is you will have to give up an arm and leg for it. The doctor will give you a vitamin pill with a long smart sounding name often used to trick you into thinking its official and will heal you. All you have to do is believe in the Dr’s plack on the wall and their words, the placebo effect will do the rest.
Have faith in yourself, your body and have patience in order to let the body do what it does best…and that’s to take care of your soul while you’re here. The last drug I’ve taken was over a decade ago…and that happen to be a vitamin.

Peace

[Peace of Mind]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
Life is probably the biggest test your soul will ever have to face. Every intelligent being knows the difference between right and wrong…where right is to care for and flourish, while wrong is to harm for selfish gains, it’s really just that simple.

Everyday my life is governed by positivity. Actually, I only witness negativity through the media and other people, so the claim of balance in one’s life (imho) is inaccurate.

Everyday the world and its inhabitants cry out. All life suffers due to humans negative precondition mentality. They have become irrational and hypocrites. The human’s blind arrogance and lack of courage has put them into a state of denial and confusion. They want peace, happiness and well being… but they refuse to believe this can be obtained simply thru their thinking. You can’t expect happiness if you indulge in deeds that spawns pessimism….not unless you feed off negative energy…as so many seem to do unknowingly.

I don’t believe there is suppose to be a balance of both. One side can easily rule the other by choice. What is there really to gain from negativity? We already know what it is so why welcome it if we don’t really want it? I can only see kids using it to grow/ learn from. As adults…we should have learned the differences and exercise responsibility by alleviating the negativity through example/pattern…while lessening the hard lessons of life for the young. All negative traits are taught. If you take all the children in the world and put them together they would not showcase racism, greed, or hate for one another. Through the instincts of survival they will figure it out by recognizing each others abilities and use them to co-exist and prosper. It’s the adults with their trained mentality raising young humans into negative accepting beings.

I believe people accept negativity because they lack love and desire to put in that extra work to get the proper results. Too many of us have become lazy and docile, so much so that they look at unfortunate events as a normal way of life, oblivious that their involvement (or lack of) has very little to do with it…at the same time wishing they never have to go through it themselves….but why does anyone have to?

You recognize your desires/wants because negativity was there to show you the difference. It’s a poke in the ribs telling you/warning you of eminent danger. It’s only there to educate you on what not to do. I see it as a temporary training feature of the matrix. It’s mainly there for young humans to enrich their souls, routing them to their destiny, keeping them on task, showing them evidence of turmoil if they don’t straighten up. We, humans (adults) are wise enough to live with out it but way too many of us love living a negative lifestyle (subconsciously). You can see a great deal of negativity, if not all of it through egotism. As long as we continue to think for self…negativity will be close by.

As of now…our world exhibits an unconstructive society (procrastinators, manipulators, instigators, selfishness, greed) and I don’t see how any of this will benefit anyone, especially if they don’t learn from it. However, if the world was filled with love and positivity so much more can be accomplished…this can’t be said if it was the other way around.

Through pure positivity everyone will respect each other, build with each other, understand each other, educate and raise each other. None of this will ever happen if you allow or even except negativity. I could never tell someone negativity is OK. It may be normal but that’s only because we made it that way…no one/thing did this but us. When encountering anything negative…you’re suppose to learn from it so you won’t have to experience it again. To keep doing so…may be more of a mental issue than anything else. So in essence, the world is suffering because the majority of us are actually rejecting the notion of living together in harmony….whether they know this or not. At times, I wonder if the masses even knows what they want...which can also hint at our confused state of mind.

Peace

Dear Peace of mind,


The negative emotions are part of the constructs of a 'self'. They can actually be used to find our way to our true nature.
On a basic level the emotionadage bad things!
On the next level we can find an antidote.
On the next level they are medicine.
On the final level they do not exist.

We all work in a different ways and levels, that is why we can talk at cross purposes and never find a solution.
That is why we have to be wise when talking of such matters.
Philosophers will never agree, Siddhis will always agree.
Thank you for the peace of your mind.

Tony

Fair enough, I do see your point.

However, what I write is not only from my experience and observation but presents clear common sense to those seeking the kind of change spoken so freely around here. Ultimately, the decision will be up to the individual. Hopefully, those seeking will find what they want. I just hope they give themselves every opportunity to get it. All too often people fail due to being naïve, misguided and/or discourage by others...

The power is within but sometimes a reversal of lifestyles can take as long to change it as to was to create it. Hence the saying “set in your ways”…

Peace

[Tarka the Duck]

Thanks for the reply, Peace. May I ask - when you experience what you would term a "negative" emotion in your daily life, what do you do?
Kathie

[Tony]

Posted by Jayke (here)
My interpretation from reading your opening post is that...

being anything is fine, as long as we aren't attached to anything...being overly positive is fine...as long as we aren't attached to that state...like riding a wave, sometimes we'll have high moments, sometimes we'll come crashing back to earth and have occasions where we're overly negative...sometimes we'll just float at the mid-point before being caught up in a wave again that launches us off to the highs and the cycle repeats.

Isn't that what just being is all about...being in flow with the natural rhythms and cycles of life...which begs the question, who are we to decide when we or someone else is being overly positive, who are we to decide when a person is being attached to that state, how do we know that by tomorrow they won't have reached the peak and started flowing down back towards balance again. Aren't we the ones being attached for noticing such attachments in the first place...I like to play a game as I'm moving through the world, something I learned on a forum like this many years ago...pretend everyone else in the world is enlightened and with everything they do, everything they be...they're all teaching me to join them in enlightenment...

everyone around me has mastered the art of just being without attachment...some of them are experiencing the lows, others are experiencing the highs but they're all just being the best they know how in any given moment...it's my job to learn from both and experience both as much as possible so that I can grow in my experiential wisdom regarding the positive and negative aspects of life.

Maybe all we need to ask ourselves is what is it like to just be...in the world...with no past, no future, no sense of self, just enjoying the wave of the moment as it washes and rinses over us...without attachment there is no judgement of negative and positive...only the unfolding of ever new and fresh experience...so to expand on your closing statement

Telling someone else how they should be, is not wise.

I'd say judging someone else for how they're being is not wise either...so I agree with you that it all comes back to learning how we can let go and just be.

People judge and discriminate, that is what people do, gradually they learn from it. We need to look at ourselves and our true intentions. Following the spiritual master can shorten the journey. It is a personal choice. Over-positivity tends to subtly threaten people and puff one up, it tends to be competitive. When I go on retreat there are people who adopt a religious attitude, others a philosophical attitude while others are more experiential, they are not wrong just different.
But I've noticed that they never see eye to eye, that's just how it is.

If you want to have a go at me, that is fine. My judgements and dissatisfaction got me to very special teachings. Our paths are just different.

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello Flash - Drugs eh? Wow - never thought of that explanation...how naive am I?!
Kathie

[Peace of Mind]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
Thanks for the reply, Peace. May I ask - when you experience what you would term a "negative" emotion in your daily life, what do you do?
Kathie

Emotions are easy to control once you relize just how powerful they really are. Anger is a very powerful energy, it's an energy that will push you to be pro-active. If used correctly a bad situation can turn into a beautiful one.

Most of my experiences of negativity is through the observation of others. I rarely go through it because I know what brings harm to self and others... so I find the alternatives. Over the years I have lessen my personal interaction with it. Yeah, I might stump my toe or get a paper cut or something similar but that’s about it. The lesson there for me is obvious…watch where I walk and how I handle paper. The more you do something the better you get at it…

Peace