Astrology as a "Know Yourself" tool

[Avocadess]

So cool that the paw-paw helped with your jellyfish sting...! I take it that you applied it topically? Glad you are feeling better!

[Anno]

It's awesome to see a nice constructive thread like this. I'll volunteer my details, I just hope I'm not the anti-christ or anything =/

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[ulli]

Posted by Anno (here)
It's awesome to see a nice constructive thread like this. I'll volunteer my details, I just hope I'm not the anti-christ or anything =/

Sun in Libra
Moon in Scorpio
....snip....
I made a chart at http://www.astro.com/horoscope
and it had angles and everything but I have no idea what it all means. It makes a pretty arrow pointing up and right.

Anno, when I first saw this list up there I thought well, well, here we have a typical indigo child...all those Scorpio factors...which can make you an effective demolisher, not necesarily an anti Christ, but close, lol...
But what many forget is that even Christ said he came to bring a sword...

But then I saw how much Libra energy you carry....wow, you are like a twelve cylinder engine...maybe more of a Crystal child, not a demolisher at all, but a true culture bearer.

Every time your Scorpio wants to run off and do something extreme, your Libra Sun yanks the chain and calls for moderation, taking you back to a midpoint.
But of course Libra can't win every time...Scorpio is a very powerful sign and will do whatever is necessary.
Then stepping back into the shadows, and leaving the Libra part of your self to deal with the guilt feelings.
The art of managing this inner universe should be taught in prep schools.

[Anno]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Anno (here)
It's awesome to see a nice constructive thread like this. I'll volunteer my details, I just hope I'm not the anti-christ or anything =/

*** Information Erased By Future Self ***

I made a chart at http://www.astro.com/horoscope and it had angles and everything but I have no idea what it all means. It makes a pretty arrow pointing up and right.

Anno, when I first saw this list up there I thought well, well, here we have a typical indigo child...all those Scorpio factors...which can make you an effective demolisher, not necesarily an anti Christ, but close, lol...
But what many forget is that even Christ said he came to bring a sword...

But then I saw how much Libra energy you carry....wow, you are like a twelve cylinder engine...maybe more of a Crystal child, not a demolisher at all, but a true culture bearer.

Every time your Scorpio wants to run off and do something extreme, your Libra Sun yanks the chain and calls for moderation, taking you back to a midpoint.
But of course Libra can't win every time...Scorpio is a very powerful sign and will do whatever is necessary.
Then stepping back into the shadows, and leaving the Libra part of your self to deal with the guilt feelings.
The art of managing this inner universe should be taught in prep schools.

Ty Ulli! I do flick between those two. Sometimes I can accomplish anything and other times I just sit around worrying about the world. I'm not sure I believe in the whole Indigo child thing. It smells of pushy parents to me so I've not really looked in to it. I've not heard of Crystal child but I'll go look it up.

Expect an Anno Cult in a city near you soon!! =]

[ulli]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
So cool that the paw-paw helped with your jellyfish sting...! I take it that you applied it topically? Glad you are feeling better!

Yes, I just cut off a thin slice and mushed it with a fork, then applied it topically.

I have been saying for ages that I wanted to plant pawpaw trees on our land, and lo and behold, my husband just came back from there and said he spotted a 6 foot tall pawpaw tree right next to the road, and it carried more than a dozen fruits. He said some neighbors garbage bags might have been raided by street dogs there, and seeds got spilled.

I'm so thrilled. The longer I'm on this manifestation path the more it happens...the main thing is not to become complacent and take it for granted.
Pawpaw chunks with lemon juice and a little honey...there is nothing healthier.

And the other divine fruit is, of course, the delicious avocado.
Which I 'm sure you know all about already.

[ulli]

Posted by Anno (here)
Ty Ulli! I do flick between those two. Sometimes I can accomplish anything and other times I just sit around worrying about the world. I'm not sure I believe in the whole Indigo child thing. It smells of pushy parents to me so I've not really looked in to it. I've not heard of Crystal child but I'll go look it up.

Expect an Anno Cult in a city near you soon!! =]

Lol, or how about doing Anno music. Brit performer Bryan Ferry has a chart just like yours, and did rather well with his carreer.

I raised a 1979 indigo, and fit the description myself, being of the hippie generation. My phases were hippie, punk, yuppie, spiritual, cosmic. I didn't realize that indigos were children of pushy parents...but boy, this is very true in our case.
Except I woke up just in time, and have been doing damage control ever since.

I always associated indigos as the ones who have to take down the crumbling system, and the crystals, who are much softer in personality, to be the builders of the new world.

[Anno]

Posted by ulli (here)
Lol, or how about doing Anno music. Brit performer Bryan Ferry has a chart just like yours, and did rather well with his carreer.

I raised a 1979 indigo, and fit the description myself, being of the hippie generation. My phases were hippie, punk, yuppie, spiritual, cosmic. I didn't realize that indigos were children of pushy parents...but boy, this is very true in our case.
Except I woke up just in time, and have been doing damage control ever since.

I always associated indigos as the ones who have to take down the crumbling system, and the crystals, who are much softer in personality, to be the builders of the new world.

I do play the guitar and used to play the piano but I don't really have a passion for music. It's more of a meditation practice for me. My passion is for words and writing. After having many many useless jobs over the years I've finally accepted that writing is what I need to do to be happy. I can spend weeks on end where I'll happily spend the whole day and night reading and having ideas.

I'm actually writing some articles at the moment for a new 'truth seeker' website that's coming out later in the year but I'll get in serious trouble if I start talking about that in public ahead of schedule. I was wary at first but it's specifically aimed at people who are sick to death of gurus and fear porn and just want information and open discussion without the whole, pick an enemy and buy the book/dvd mentality. I'm going to add, Ulli said I'm a Crystal Child to my cv =D

Do you have an astrology site somewhere online Ulli?

[ulli]

Posted by Anno (here)
I'm going to add, Ulli said I'm a Crystal Child to my cv =D

Do you have an astrology site somewhere online Ulli?

No, I never wanted to open that can of worms.
Maybe I'll just stick to sharing thoughts right here at Avalon.

And maybe also change my signature:
Don't quote Ulli... Nothing is written in stone.

Maybe there are neither indigos nor crystals....
Everything is myth. Made by the myth makers...
Ulli says Anno is a future myth maker....
Then his children will turn his mythology into their reality.

[Anno]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Anno (here)
I'm going to add, Ulli said I'm a Crystal Child to my cv =D

Do you have an astrology site somewhere online Ulli?

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Ulli says Anno is a future myth maker....
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Ulli, if only you knew how right you are lol. I've read a few of your astrology posts on here and I think some kind of Ulli site or Blog would be awesome. Mainly as you give the info away for free and aren't an ego freak like most who do such things.

I'll make sure my children have a Book of Ulli that gets passed down the generations. I need to become Supreme Emperor of Earth first though so you have plenty of time to write it.

[sandy]

Posted by ulli (here)
While soaking in the tropical ocean I got stung by a jelly fish...a Portuguese man-o'-war. This gave me a chance to test something I had read about here at Avalon, the healing properties of papaya (pawpaw).
I can now confirm that this fruit is amazing.
It took away the burn within minutes,
and all redness was gone in under two hours.

I also got some orders on my regular work, (designing jewelry)
which means I won't have as much time for Avalon.
I will do charts as the spirit moves me,
and in the order they appear on my list... but for now I'm swamped.

One more thing: I decided I won't be reading the chart for someone
who hardly ever posts on the forum and who doesn't contribute in some way
their own views on astrology,
or at least some aspect of it.

I hold the view that life is about reciprocal maintenance,
that each person has something to offer to society,
no matter how humble.


While many plant seeds can hardly be distinguished from small pieces of rocks,
and thus give no clue as to the potential shape of it's own being...say a rose...
a birth chart can show a person's potential for constructive as well as destructive
behavior...although it is up to the free will of each person in what manner to express or direct their activities, that follow impulses.

Considering their lives in the context of the long-term consequences
of their actions and how these might be of benefit to themselves and others.

Astrology can be used to show people their own uniqueness, their gifts and talents.
Once a person taps into their inner reserves, whether they be intellectual, or physical, they may discover a cornucopia effect...something like that dinner plate that always fills up or a wallet that never runs out of money.
This is what we each can be, if only we believe in ourselves.

But the first thing is to know who we are, at this moment, then we can go forward and become the best we can be.

Even an astrology novice can learn and even do something for their fellow man,
encouraging them to believe in themselves, despite some inevitable limitations.

At some level everyone is handicapped, but the worst handicaps are not necessarily physical, but are a low, deceitful, malicious and habitually self-serving character.

But with a positive application of astrology this is something that
anyone can change, when they are ready, once they realize the benefits of true self expression, as directed by their cosmic potential.

Dear Ulli,

Happy to hear the pawpaw worked as I hear their stings are very painful. Sure enjoy your wisdom on all threads and the role model you provide with your actions. Manifestation is what you seem to be creating all the time with your visions and spiritual journey

[onawah]

I've posted some info about the upcoming Mercury in Retrograde in this thread:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...508#post271508
It sounds like we are in for an unusual month!

Following is my chart, as done on astro.com
I would be very interested to hear your impressions.
It was in a chart form originally, but would only copy out vertically. Apologies for that--it's a bit difficult to read that way.
I've found astrology to be a very interesting subject since I first began reading about it in the early 60s. One of the first books I read was by Sydney Omar about the 12 signs ( I've forgotten the title), and it was such a good tool for me in understanding people. I thought he described the essence of each sign very well. Astrology was a kind of springboard for me to go on to study other metaphysical subjects.

AstroText Forecast - Short Edition


born on 29 July 1948
local time
02:55 am
in Alexandria, VA (US)
U.T.
06:55
77w03, 38n48
sid. time
22:14:08

Planetary positions
planet
sign
degree
house
motion
Sun
Leo
06°02'30
02/3
direct
Moon
Taurus
06°23'30
11
direct
Mercury
Cancer
21°40'46
02
direct
Venus
Gemini
27°37'52
01
direct
Mars
Libra
07°07'13
05
direct
Jupiter
Sagittarius
19°35'13
06
retrograde
Saturn
Leo
23°29'58
03
direct
Uranus
Gemini
28°39'55
01
direct
Neptune
Libra
10°35'31
05
direct
Pluto
Leo
14°17'57
03
direct
True Node
Taurus
09°48'12
11
direct

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant
Gemini
24°19'39


2nd House
Cancer
15°15'12


3rd House
Leo
06°24'21


Imum Coeli
Virgo
01°30'52


5th House
Libra
04°21'30


6th House
Scorpio
15°06'41


Descendant
Sagittarius
24°19'39


8th House
Capricorn
15°15'12


9th House
Aquarius
06°24'21


Medium Coeli
Pisces
01°30'52


11th House
Aries
04°21'30


12th House
Taurus
15°06'41

[777]

Posted by ulli (here)
I am a bit pooped...enough for now,
tomorrow will do 777, kamikaze and purple lama

Thanks Ulli! Hope you're recovering well?

[ulli]

Posted by 777 (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
I am a bit pooped...enough for now,
tomorrow will do 777, kamikaze and purple lama

Thanks Ulli! Hope you're recovering well?

Yeah, yeah, you're next, I remember.
As soon as I'm finished with my morning coffee in-bed reading ritual,
and got showered and dressed,
put on my head scarf,
hooped earrings and purple cloak with stars and moons....

It will be my pleasure, I love 1978 vintage.

[ulli]

here is your reading, 777

How many times have I looked at someone's chart here and found that my first thought was
WOW, THAT'S WHY this person is an Avalonian!!
And this was definitely the case with your chart, 777.

Again we have the Ascendant right on the galactic center in Sagittarius,
again the full 12th house, again a strong Neptune aspect
which is conjunct Mercury, and Mars...
also all in Sagittarius, also in the 12th house.

But at the same time quite well grounded in reality, ambition to succeed,
with three planets in the 10th house (carreer is taken very seriously).

Your Gemini Moon keeps you light in connecting to others,
wanting to be of service (6th house) ..

the moon's opposition to the Ascendant
means you interact with people in a giving manner...
but of course, only up to a point,
as your Scorpio sun requires privacy and your Sag Ascendant wants freedom...freedom from committment.

Jupiter in Leo gives you the confidence to perform, even on stage,
and in the 7th house no shortage of admirers, partners, lovers.
In fact Jupiter's square to your Scorpio Venus indicates
that perhaps at times there might be overindulgence,
and this area needs conscious control
if you don't want to live on an emotional roller coaster..

But maybe you were lucky and found the right partner early,
someone who understands your need for space, as well as your need for passion,
and at the right moment when those needs arise.

The Neptune Mercury conjunction means you have the ability to channel knowledge from a very high dimension.
Dictating this knowledge could be a possibility, or even automatic writing.

Your chart doesn't give much indication as to children,
which does not mean you won't have any,
just that child raising isn't such a big issue in your life.
(Although Jupiter in Leo counter-balances that a bit...kids are drawn to you)

Receiving your visions, maintaining the inflow pure,
then expressing via your work what you see-- this is your main task.
You are an original.(Sun Uranus conjunction in Scorpio)

There is one more slightly tricky square I want to point to:
this one is hard to analyze, as it depends which of the two planets involved has the upper hand.
It is having Mars in Sagittarius in the 11th (the never-at-home traveling minstral)
square your Virgo Saturn in the 8th...a disciplinarian, who demands sacrifices,
and controls those Martian Sagittarian urges.

Since Mars is also indicator of physical energy, the square from Saturn can create blockages there,
and you may have to use additional mindpower to undo those blockages.

Pluto in Libra in the 9th...Pluto being the transformer of ego...in the ninth house...
means during travel and mental journeys is where your biggest changes occur.

Somehow looking at your chart made me think of Terence McKenna,
so I compared his chart to yours and found some interesting correlation.
Both are Scorpios, both with a Mercury/Mars conjunction (mind expressing itself through speech),
and your Jupiter in the exact degree of McKenna's Saturn...hmmm....

I bet you will get some strong resonance feelings when listening to his Youtube talks...

[araucaria]

Dear Ulli
Most of this thread was written before I had time to find it. I’m sure it is helping many more people than just those who have passed on their birth details. Thank you for that!

I have one small question: how do you interpret contradictions in the birth chart, for example if one indication is dead right and another dead wrong? Would it be some life-changing event or forking path, or maybe just someone who didn’t know whether they were coming or going?

You talk about the perfection of the system; I wonder, maybe this has something to do with the ‘Nineveh constant’ - a huge number found on a Sumerian tablet (70 multiplied by seven times 60) and discovered by Maurice Chatelain to be the duration in seconds for one full solar system reset – or in astrological terms, the time it takes for anyone’s birth chart to repeat (c. 6.2 million years). In that time for instance, Halley’s comet makes exactly 81,000 orbits – an incredibly round number (3^4 x 10^3). This is clockwork accuracy with a vengeance – the formula ‘to the nearest second’ is just way too approximate!

On the subject of twins, as you say, with the population explosion, they must be getting more and more numerous. You would also want to factor in the effect of the Moon: the fact that maternity wards tend to fill up at full moon. Which means that there must be more twins already out there than there statistically should be. Would this give greater importance to the Moon sign I wonder?

I have been reading John Lash recently. In his Quest for the Zodiac he projects planetary alignments onto the background constellations, among which he includes Ophiucus. I wonder what your thoughts are on this. He also adds an Earth sign, which is opposite to the Sun sign. I think this corresponds to the importance you place on one’s opposite sign.

Being grounded in the Earth sign is particularly important in the light of Lash’s book on Gnosticism, Not in His Image, where, joining the dots, I see it as the connection to Sophia/Gaia. According to Lash, Sophia’s dream was of a three-body, Sun-Moon-Earth system, which was disturbed by the cyborg-like Archons (led by the Demiurge), who created the rest of the solar system, where they live, and who have been leading us humans astray (‘intrapsychic forces that exaggerate human error beyond the scale of correction’).

This means that the clockwork accuracy of the solar system is the work of the Archons, which would be perfectly in keeping with their mindlessly uncreative, mechanical, copycat nature. For Sophia, a living entity navigating under her own steam through the cosmos, this may be a good navigational instrument – or possibly not. Given that the human representatives of the Archons (‘messengers of deception’, Jacques Vallée) are ‘the powers that be’, perhaps part of our problem is that this instrument is, if not broken, somehow subtly unfit for the guidance purpose it is being put to.

That is the question I have right now. What would it change if astrology were to rely solely on the Sun-Moon-Earth signs? (I do understand however the value of the slow-orbiting outer planets.) I’d be interested to hear your thoughts, Ulli. Thank you for opening my mind to this new area.

PS. To talk of the PTB is to give them more power than they actually have, rather like attributing all sorts of crimes to Al Qaida turns it into the monster organization it is not.

[ulli]

Posted by araucaria (here)
I’d be interested to hear your thoughts, Ulli. Thank you for opening my mind to this new area.

PS. To talk of the PTB is to give them more power than they actually have, rather like attributing all sorts of crimes to Al Qaida turns it into the monster organization it is not.

wow, Araucaria, lots of really interesting questions there, and I must admit, quite a few of them are way beyond my scope and knowledge.
Some I can try and give answers to, such as Lash's work on the fixed stars, although I haven't read his book.
But for now want to let you know where I stand in all of this:
I tend to compare the astrology spectrum to that of the medical arts, (me, being a country doctor's wife)
where you have a family GP on one end, and on the other an endlessly vast field of expertise, with highly skilled surgeons.
Think of me as a village GP astrologer.

There are so many, many intersting astrology books out there, some of which I have read,
like on the Dark Moon Lilith, or the Thirteenth Sign
or books that analyze each one of the 360 degrees of the zodiac...
and some of these can have quite a few verifiable truth elements
but in the end I had to ask myself realistically 'what is it that I can do? Or even want to do?'

Whilst looking at the types of persons who come to me for a reading
some of whom are at that moment getting their first glimmers of awakening,
and beginning to look within for answers., yet many of them still come with their problems, like:
"I started an affair with my sister's boyfriend, what shall I do??"
Or "My husband has just been diagnosed with cancer of the liver,
how much longer does he have to live??"
Which reminds me of one upper class client in London,
when I knew next to zero about astrology, having just started,
and I was still referring to my books for answers:

"What will be the outcome of the next government election in .....? (Fill in a southern European country)
My husband is the leader of the opposition party there, and he is in jail right now,
but if his party wins he will be freed."
So I start looking at the dates of her chart and her husband's...
all with the assumption that she was hoping for his party to win- wanting him to be freed, naturally...
haha...how wrong I was...next moment I find out from her
no no nooo--- that would mean I would have to give up my lover!!!!...... Her lover was some guy who was the son of some central Asian country's premier. (can't give name nor country, due to confidentiality reasons) and besides, he was also a wanted terrorist...
A real whoa moment right there...
Talk about diving into the deep end...


And that's when I decided that I wanted to rather help the middle class types,
and also to keep it simple...
simple enough for ordinary people to relate the information
to their lives, in a practical way, and that way make good and responsible decisions...
based on context and consequence.

[araucaria]

Thanks Ulli
This thread is predicated on the idea that astrology can be useful in positive ways to seekers, as opposed to the rather unsavoury bread-and-butter stuff you talk about.

So I guess my main question was how confident you are that this is so. I am wondering if there isn't a built-in bias towards the somewhat negative. One of John Lash's main points is to get away from the ego-oriented side of this practice. You may like to read him sometime, but a practical answer from your experience like the above one, is probably more interesting than a theoretical one.

On another topic, would you care to elaborate on Anno's libra energy?

[ulli]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Thanks Ulli
This thread is predicated on the idea that astrology can be useful in positive ways to seekers, as opposed to the rather unsavoury bread-and-butter stuff you talk about.

So I guess my main question was how confident you are that this is so. I am wondering if there isn't a built-in bias towards the somewhat negative. One of John Lash's main points is to get away from the ego-oriented side of this practice. You may like to read him sometime, but a practical answer from your experience like the above one, is probably more interesting than a theoretical one.

On another topic, would you care to elaborate on Anno's libra energy?

I just finished elaborating a bit more on your earlier post, and without seeing your question about Libra energy here, I actually brought up a few Libra examples. Must have been reading your mind. I will definitely get some of John Lash's books...a friend has urged me several years ago to read his book 'Not in His Image'.
Confidence fluctuates all the time, but when high i forgive everybody, including myself, absolutely everything. Life is perfect, everything is as it should be, all is in harmony. So it's all really a matter of personal perception, and that depends on the level of consciousness.
Here is the post I just finished writing:
Life now is the result of our decisions, not destiny or fate,
for many the shift has occured, and they have come out of victim mode
and realize that all they have to do is decide what kind of a life they want,
and then stick with that vision,
knowing that if they change their vision the universe will rearrange itself again
in order to accomodate them.


So I try to give clients options to weigh so they can take their lives into their own hands...
and first they must become honest about who they are, warts and all.
That way, when their dreams don't come true they can see that it was their own inner contradictive traits
that came along at an unconscious moment and sabotaged their plans.
The divided self must be made whole.
In the beginning people fail a few times before they can begin to see what has really happened...
and that it was their inner saboteur.
Then they no longer blame their parents, their spouses, their boss, their government.
Then they no longer just see the outer world, or room, or group of people,
but see themselves as being a part of that world, or room, or group of people.
A world in which they play an equal part, yet with their unique contribution.

My main conflict is to do with the fact that my sun is in Capricorn, (wholeness, big picture) yet in my sixth house (Virgo, hence detail)
In my view it is important to follow both your sun signs and house positions this is where the higest energies are
the sun being the light giver of our solar system family...so in my case I have to balance macrocosm and microcosm in my life.
Meanwhile my Taurus moon tries to pull me away, wanting me to nurture my sensual, materialistic, self-indulgent side.
thus adding to the balancing act.
One can never maintain balance in life without a happy medium between one's sun and moon signs, just like it would be impossible to be well if one was deprived of sleep and rest.

araucaria: I have one small question: how do you interpret contradictions in the birth chart, for example if one indication is dead right and another dead wrong? Would it be some life-changing event or forking path, or maybe just someone who didn’t know whether they were coming or going?

Do you mean dead right- dead wrong in the legal sense? or moral sense?
Contradictions are indicated in all charts, the whole purpose is of finding them and then seeing how they pop up in one's thoughts, feelings and actions.
As`I said I have a Taurus moon, which makes me slow,
and Aquarius Mercury and Mars which make me fast in my reactions...

and when exactly these patterns kick in depends on the transits or progressions of a given moment.
If I'm conscious I can catch myself and observe this, can try and see other options, weigh those options,
and perhaps make some adjustment in how I want to react instead of simply following that planetary impulse.

Does this make me sound like a Libra? Yes, for a brief moment I can be a Libra, if I want.
That's what self creation is about.
But at least I'm not stuck with that pattern at ALL times, the way an unevolved Libra person might be.

Equally, an evolved Libra can overcome their compulsion to weigh everything with their mind,
and occasionally dare to take a plunge into the cold pool, thus discovering that being gutsy can work, too, giving them a new idea of their capacities. Then go to an astrologer about the subsequent, inevitable guilt feelings

[ulli]

araucaria:

This thread is predicated on the idea that astrology can be useful in positive ways to seekers, as opposed to the rather unsavoury bread-and-butter stuff you talk about.

So I guess my main question was how confident you are that this is so. I am wondering if there isn't a built-in bias towards the somewhat negative.

My main vision is to inspire people to learn what these 12 zodiacal archetypes are about,
and find their personal discernment of the difference between positive and negative application.

Once they have learnt a few basics they don't have to rely on others to interpret their chart for them.
The same with weather forecasts...I use satellite pictures, to inform myself nowadays,
not the TV weather girl.
For me life is about bringing oneself to account, not others,
it's about maintaing a healthy conscience and being ok with one's self.
We are born alone, we die alone, and the people we meet throughout life
are there to help us find our place in the greater fractal.
When a certain balance point is reached a vortex forms, and pulls us up towards those higher levels.
Equally, when we spin out of control we drift towards a whirlpool that sucks us towards a lower level.
There we get another chance to find the energies to create harmony.

I don't think anyone has yet determined how many levels there are below,
nor how many there are above, even though there are many teachers
who have made up such numbers.
But on each level the same laws apply.
Find the point of balance between the extremes...
in the context of the larger picture.

It doesn't matter then if others react negatively..
as long as one acted from the heart, doing one's best.

[cheez_2806]

This is interesting~
my dob is 1990 June 28th on 2.45pm at china shanghai.

All I know now is I'm a cancer but I act like a Gemini sometimes...but mostly my overall personality is kinda like a Capricorn...