Astrology as a "Know Yourself" tool

[Carmody]

here's the beginnings of an explanation on how astrology works.

Matter or the 3d universe is made up of dimensional planes that interact with one another. They interact in a cyclic wave-particle formation kind of way. Not exactly in balance, but slightly asymmetrical, so energy gets injected into this universe of 3d and linear directional time. Thus the inne and outie vortex, the spiraling Fibonacci sequences associated with everything on all levels. Thus the red of the past, red shift..and the blue shift, the color of future. And the combination of the two, the violet moment of the now. The balance point between the two.


The universe has an interference pattern that is fundamental in nature and is superluminal (faster than light, ie the same everywhere, no time). Time and space exist ACROSS structures or particles. It is enshrined within and calculated from their differentials from one another. Thus mass, gravity, volume, etc. Thus this thing in physics about wave particle duality. The primary forms are superluminal. Part of the evidence is that time does not exist in superconductors and they are acting as one single wave. Then you can go in the direction of the superconducting quantum effect on a mass scale of the philosopher's stone. And all that lies in that direction.

Now, lets look at the video and choose a pattern for the overall area of the solar system. One of the more simple patterns that emerge on this plate which has been covered with sand and oscillated.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GtiSCBXbHAg

(wait until you see the pattern at 1:46!!!)

Now, imagine the solar system overlaid upon the top of that. The backdrop is interference patterns of vibration. Then the planets have their OWN vibration or interaction of/with the all permeating superluminal waves, the ones in the backdrop. As the planets move and vibrate around..they create a secondary pattern. One that is cyclic.

Now, imagine looking at this from the position of the earth--the human observation point.

Since this system exists on fundamentals that are all connected, superluminal, and outside of time..this means this system has a form of predictability and a direct connection with everything and everytime.

The predictability of astrology is due to high levels of observation of people, the world and their actions...as compared to the positions of the planets in the sky. After a while, keen observers noted that patterns emerged. Slowly, they grew these predictions and their accuracy..., from the collected and correlated data. As this was observation of the past and correlation with position of planets which are connected to everything outside of time... then the future and such influences can be predicted -as well.

However it is energetic influence, not specific outcomes that are predicted. Potential can be predicted, not specifics. You are the fish in the stream of this cyclic flow. Like the fish in the stream, It is you, you are it, together but separate. Both in and out of time. You are autonomous, but part of the pattern.

Which is why, when you look inside, to the heart of the balanced system, to it's center, the violet moment of the now.. you gain access to all. The key, the answer, the door..is deep inside. Outside, in ego, in externalization, you'll be chasing answers which will never appear. You will always be in time and in space, never 'balanced'... with the addition of the doorway of the inner world, to this external view. (Now you see where my Mars-Moon-Venus balance point comes into being so dang handy-something, methinks, we are all going to have to learn) This takes you to the stories and ideas on reptilian creation and control of the hind-brain, ego function, circumcision, etc...all being created to block the inner door from being opened. And so on. Ego reflection, or reality? recall that it is externalization, it is not 'looking inside'.

If you clear yourself and Awaken, you can then influence the pattern in a fundamental and knowing way. In awareness, not within the root cyclic bodily or ego driven pattern of the avatar. Unaware, you have innocence.

Aware, you can then involve the self in 'knowing influence'. However... that influence carries consequence.

Our problem seems to be that "elites" are only partially aware and partially awake. They are seemingly not free of ego function but have found the doorway to influence. If the stories of intervention and the like are true, then it is no small wonder that such a 'half wit' is not allowed to pollute the rest of the universe.

[ulli]

Thanks for that video, Carmody.
This is all such fascinating stuff...to me, anyway....
It made me dig up another one I had seen earlier...about chaos theory
have a look:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cyisXEqwdJs

[Carmody]

One might say that chaos is the active intelligence in the system. The unpredictable differential.

As Malcolm Muggeridge said: "Only Dead fish swim with the stream"

[ulli]

Yet the most predictable events astrologically are to do with Mars and Uranus interacting.

Right now Mars is in the latter degrees of Gemini, on my natal Uranus,
and many of the other Avalonians who were born in the late fourties are also getting hit by that transit these days.

There is always a reality check when this conjunction occurs...
where one has left certain things undone, at these moments there is a force that puts things to the place
where they should have been if the person had been in tune with cosmic energy waves.

So their lives may look at such a time like a shapeless mess, when in fact it was them, who had made the mess, and events cought up at last when Mars ignited the Uranian dynamite stick...and the chaos is only temporary, readying for the next pattern formation.

By the way, part 5 of this BBC video has some good stuff on mandelbrot fractals.

[Anno]

Posted by Carmody (here)
I just spoke with a priest the other day on this subject. A lot of his work involves being on a Ley line, where the barriers are weaker. (Can you say, England? I knew you could: the UK has a high population and has many ley lines running through it) We both affirmed that possession is far more common that most would have you think.
[...]

That reminds me of the theory about placement of churches to put negative energy in to the ley system and destroying/rearranging ancient stone circles/monuments that were there to balance the energies. I don't drive so I see a lot of what is around me as I waddle around and I've noticed in cities that the homeless here tend to congregate in the small parks surrounding churches clutching their drug of choice. A lot of them look and feel vacant. Is this all related?

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
I have another "different" type of question since we seem to be having fun musing about things tonight.

Someone whose guidance had suggested to them that the energies of their natal chart were "not meant for them" somehow implying some sort of switch at birth.



Never heard anything even close to that. Anyone else???

I would think only the "higher self" or guidance could answer that one.

I was thinking about something kind of similar. These stories you hear about groups trying to bring in a certain kind of spirit using ritual etc. Could they use Astrology to pin point a spirits entry point then divert it or even kill the child to force the spirit to go elsewhere?

[ulli]

Posted by Anno (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
I just spoke with a priest the other day on this subject. A lot of his work involves being on a Ley line, where the barriers are weaker. (Can you say, England? I knew you could: the UK has a high population and has many ley lines running through it) We both affirmed that possession is far more common that most would have you think.
[...]

That reminds me of the theory about placement of churches to put negative energy in to the ley system and destroying/rearranging ancient stone circles/monuments that were there to balance the energies. I don't drive so I see a lot of what is around me as I waddle around and I've noticed in cities that the homeless here tend to congregate in the small parks surrounding churches clutching their drug of choice. A lot of them look and feel vacant. Is this all related?

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
I have another "different" type of question since we seem to be having fun musing about things tonight.

Someone whose guidance had suggested to them that the energies of their natal chart were "not meant for them" somehow implying some sort of switch at birth.



Never heard anything even close to that. Anyone else???

I would think only the "higher self" or guidance could answer that one.

I was thinking about something kind of similar. These stories you hear about groups trying to bring in a certain kind of spirit using ritual etc. Could they use Astrology to pin point a spirits entry point then divert it or even kill the child to force the spirit to go elsewhere?

Anno.... this is some weird thinking....no offense
but seriously, maybe one could apply it in a positive way...
i.e. wait for a planetary line up,
(preferably one which includes Elenin, or there will be some very unhappy people around, )

knowing that some black ops want to use it to detonate an atom bomb
near an underwater trench
and then use the knowledge of same line-up to sabotage their plans

[Anno]

Posted by ulli (here)
Anno.... this is some weird thinking...[...]

Given a lot of the stories we hear on this forum I take that as a compliment =]

We're dealing with some weird people so trying to figure out what they're up to and putting the peices often leads to some odd areas and ideas.

[Calz]

The possible switch would not have been from earth bound human manipulation.

Kudos for thinking outside the box though

[ulli]

Well, I suppose this whole thread could be called the club of weird thinkers...

[Carmody]

Speaking of that, I just nailed Roswell and over-unity/anti-gravity/dimensional shifting to the wall...in one fell swoop, over in the lithium thread. I put them all in the same room, and none of them fell down, they reinforced each other, via separate paths. Ie, the literal accepted method of scientific proofing via separate pathways.

We're getting closer...

[TWINCANS]

Posted by Carmody (here)
here's the beginnings of an explanation on how astrology works.

Matter or the 3d universe is made up of dimensional planes that interact with one another. They interact in a cyclic wave-particle formation kind of way. Not exactly in balance, but slightly asymmetrical, so energy gets injected into this universe of 3d and linear directional time. Thus the inne and outie vortex, the spiraling Fibonacci sequences associated with everything on all levels. Thus the red of the past, red shift..and the blue shift, the color of future. And the combination of the two, the violet moment of the now. The balance point between the two.


The universe has an interference pattern that is fundamental in nature and is superluminal (faster than light, ie the same everywhere, no time). Time and space exist ACROSS structures or particles. It is enshrined within and calculated from their differentials from one another. Thus mass, gravity, volume, etc. Thus this thing in physics about wave particle duality. The primary forms are superluminal. Part of the evidence is that time does not exist in superconductors and they are acting as one single wave.

Regarding the birth misplacement, it was mine. I'm getting that I wasn't supposed to be the one called into this present birth. My brother was. So it's not mine, so to speak. He was meant to be that birth and I was to be his or thereabouts. There's too much fire energy for me in this birth position. There are complex past life relationships as well with this group.

Now as to explanation, we need to remember the process of incarnation. Usually there are prior agreements in place, and a general idea of when and where. Especially if there is a past life grouping, there can be more than one entity or spirit, however you want to call us, lined up ready to 'land'. In fact three months prior to conception, the connections begin to be made. The coupling act itself sends out an electromagnetic spark, or even better an explosion of sorts if the act is of a purer and higher frequency power, into quantum field. This is the time of attraction from the causal realms into the material realms for the incoming spirit. Those fields have been so aptly described by Carmody. Given the complexity of these overlapping dimensional fields, with also the variables of the relative power of the two individuals, their coupling energy produced, and the incoming spirit's frequency, it's easy to see that there are many hard 'landings'. This is particularly true in the case of spirits coming in to help the shift who have a higher frequency, and also very currently with so many brand new incarnations of higher spirits (ie crystal kids etc) some of whom have never incarnated in 3D before.

Astrology is IMO the basis for religion ie the rising sun is the Risen Son. There is nothing deeper in religion than the study of astrology. They are one and the same at their root but that truth has been hidden on purpose. Why give humans all the tools and keys when you can pocket those and charge rent.

[astrid]

Damm this thread is good.

I have now solved some major life mysteries,

you guys rock!

[Jayke]

Posted by ulli (here)
if I were to consider you a problem, and I intended to harm you, and if I knew that tomorrow Mars up there in the sky would arrive at a spot from where he could form a right angle to your natal Saturn, and those exact coordiantes were known to me, I would know that you would be vulnerable on such a day, and use that moment of your weakness to launch an attack. This is how the combined knowledge of astrology and magic has been used against opponents, and this is why religious leaders want to keep this knowledge under wraps. It's like sending someone out to sea, knowing there is a storm coming, in the hope of getting rid of them. Of course the way the universe is set up, such an act brings with it severe karmic consequences, but evil people don't believe in karma, deluding themselves because some dark entity promised them protection. A purified person would never knowingly abuse this knowledge and be constantly vigilant against the temptation to do so.

Great thread, I find this stuff all really fascinating...I have a question:

If a purified person was to use this knowledge to enhance another persons enjoyment of life...say if a hypnotherapist timed their sessions to coincide with astrological alignments that strengthened a persons ability to make positive changes within themselves...what planets, houses and configurations would that hypnotherapist need to look out for in order to impact change with a more positive outcome in mind?

[ulli]

Regarding Twincans birth misplacement, and by the way, thank tou for sharing that....
I could now write a book with the superstring of thoughts that has come out of this revelation...
What Astrid mentioned there goes for me as well.
I read years ago that accidents somehow do happen in the higher realms.
But then again, I have seen accidents here in my 3 D life,
where papers got mixed up and a pattern I had designed and intended for a sweater
ended up on a dress instead and produced a best seller of all times for my company.
For those who don't know...I used to be in the rag trade, or fashion business, before astrology grabbed me by the neck.

So what I'm saying here, what might have had a certain intention and then an accident occured, leading you to even discover that there was such an accident, which in itself is in this 3 D realm an unusual thing, yet could have enormously beneficial consequences for the awakening process on this earth right now....
In fact, the human spirit being what it is, can turn copper to gold.
I was never really religious until I figured out astrology.
And I found astrology because I had an obsessive need for patterns, as had already been evident in my ten years as a knitwear designer.
The heavenly patterns connecting with the rhythms of individual lives, that for me was a lure which I found totally irrisistable. I gave up a fairly sizable income to go after that lure.

Now to what Twincans said about having too much fire in his chart. I always wished I had more fire in mine...
Ok, so my Ascendant is Leo, but as they say, the Ascendant is dominant until you are in your late twenties, then the sun sign kicks in. And that was spot on in my case, with my more serious Capricorn sun letting go the whole glamour show of the fashion world, and instead immersing myself into the idea of a future earth governmental system after the shift happened....that is where my real expertise lies, and I haven't even started that thread yet. It can wait.

So, Twincans, may I ask you, WHAT have you concluded from this discovery of yours?
Has it left you feeling permanently misplaced, emotionally damaged?
Because I' m pretty certain you can make this work in your favour, if you want.

Especially if you can team up with others who know you well and can complete your energies, or should I say, take away from them?
So, how about giving me some of your fire planets...I could do with them. I'm ready.
How odd, that this idea was put on my plate just as when fiery Mars was sitting on my natal Uranus...

Jeez...this is all very exciting...now I won't be able to sleep for the rest of the night.....

[ulli]

Posted by Jayke (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
if I were to consider you a problem, and I intended to harm you, and if I knew that tomorrow Mars up there in the sky would arrive at a spot from where he could form a right angle to your natal Saturn, and those exact coordiantes were known to me, I would know that you would be vulnerable on such a day, and use that moment of your weakness to launch an attack. This is how the combined knowledge of astrology and magic has been used against opponents, and this is why religious leaders want to keep this knowledge under wraps. It's like sending someone out to sea, knowing there is a storm coming, in the hope of getting rid of them. Of course the way the universe is set up, such an act brings with it severe karmic consequences, but evil people don't believe in karma, deluding themselves because some dark entity promised them protection. A purified person would never knowingly abuse this knowledge and be constantly vigilant against the temptation to do so.

Great thread, I find this stuff all really fascinating...I have a question:

If a purified person was to use this knowledge to enhance another persons enjoyment of life...say if a hypnotherapist timed their sessions to coincide with astrological alignments that strengthened a persons ability to make positive changes within themselves...what planets, houses and configurations would that hypnotherapist need to look out for in order to impact change with a more positive outcome in mind?

Enjoyment is different for different people.
If someone wants to become free and independent, then any combo of Jupiter and Uranus should do it...except perhaps a right angle... perhaps that would make the change too disruptive for comfort.
Yet if someone's happiness depends on their family being getting more unified then the Moon needs to be looked at...
Moon in good relations to Venus, Jupiter and also Neptune.

[Jayke]

Food for thought, I guess I'd have to become a thorough expert in all this to truly apply it in a positive way...I'm starting to see a few patterns emerging from reading through everyones posts, are there any books you could recommend to help a newbie like me get started in it all...I filled out my chart details on astro.com but all the overlapping lines just made my head hurt lol it'd be great to know how to interpret all these things

[Calz]

Hmmmm ... somehow I sense a story here??? Stay tuned.

ulli:

Jeez...this is all very exciting...now I won't be able to sleep for the rest of the night.....

[ulli]

Posted by Jayke (here)
Food for thought, I guess I'd have to become a thorough expert in all this to truly apply it in a positive way...I'm starting to see a few patterns emerging from reading through everyones posts, are there any books you could recommend to help a newbie like me get started in it all...I filled out my chart details on astro.com but all the overlapping lines just made my head hurt lol it'd be great to know how to interpret all these things

Those overlapping lines confuse everyone at first, yet are simple if you know what they stand for.
The chart is a double circle divided into an outer wheel of twelve signs and an inner wheel of twelve houses.
The planets are sprinkled around, in their relative positions, the way they stood at birth.
Once that is set up, the red and blue lines are added later to indicate what specific angles exist between planets, just to make it easier to measure them, visually.
Say you have Mars in Taurus, and the sun 125 degrees away in Virgo...which counts as a "trine",
which is a harmonious angle, allowing Mars energies of strength to interact with the person's Virgo qualities of discernment and mental agility. The Taurus Mars would then add endurance, steadfastness and untiring determination and voila you have yourself an incredible work horse. Good to know if you are in human resources...I would give the job to such an applicant.
So the coloured lines indicate at a quick glance, how the planets interact inside the chart.
Red lines are drawn for squares and oppositions, also 45 degree angles.
All these indicate tensions. So you look at which planets are connected, then which sign are they in, then also look at their house positions...
Good excercise...once you learn to do this you become faster and faster. Then you will never ever be bored again,

[Calz]

Posted by Jayke (here)
are there any books you could recommend to help a newbie like me get started in it all...

I am dated by about 20 years and many have been written in that time ... but for a one book starter I would suggest what my astro teacher suggested for me way back when:


http://www.amazon.com/Choice-Centere...2111011&sr=1-1

[Avocadess]

Here are the results from calculating my natal chart online:


Rising Sign is in 05 Degrees Libra

(remainder is edited out per suggestion -- thanks)