Astrology as a "Know Yourself" tool

[Calz]

Posted by ulli (here)
Gosh, you are all babies here...I was into Led Zep and to this day I believe Jimmy Page is beyond compare.
May have something to do with the fact that we share the same birthday.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ODidAgdL40Y

Ahem ...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ight=best+song

[ulli]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
Gosh, you are all babies here...I was into Led Zep and to this day I believe Jimmy Page is beyond compare.
May have something to do with the fact that we share the same birthday.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ODidAgdL40Y

Ahem ...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ight=best+song

Interesting Calz. I did one of my best knitwear collections listening to that song. And now you gotta be bringing back all them memories.
I once went to a party given in his honour, in some caves in South London. I was invited by a journalist friend of mine, Nick Kent, star writer for the NME, (New Musical Express) and he introduced me to him. That was in 1974. Nick was going out with Chrissie Hyndes then who was working for Malcolm McLaren at his shop...all these people were good friends... that was just before she formed the Pretenders.
Malcolm launched his band the Sex Pistols in 1975...that night of the Jimmy page party he came running after me as I was leaving the place at 3 am... could I give his boys a lift into town...those boys were little pimply teens...not quite Sex Pistols at all, at least not yet...jumping up and down in the back of my Alpha and urging me to drive faster and faster.
Then I met Jimy again as we were boarding a flight to the south of France...his wife was wearing one of my dresses on the plane...I nearly fainted I was so proud that I wasn't justr a nobody asking for an autograph. Aaanyway...he was like a God.

[ulli]

Back to work.
Maybe some beginners may find the article below helpful.

ASTROLOGY

Understanding Chart Movement
By Bill Herbst
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Bill Herbst has been a professional full-time astrologer for over 30 years and has written books on the topic. Bill provides astrological services for individuals and groups in person or by phone in addition to publishing a free newsletter that gives fascinating information on the subject of astology and the significance of its planetary transits.
Jan 18, 2006

Published with the kind permission of Bill Herbst

When people begin to study astrology, their first efforts usually revolve around memorizing the meanings of the various symbolic elements — planets, signs, houses, and aspects. That’s fine so far as it goes, but learning all the separate pieces doesn’t prepare students to understand what a chart is and how it moves.  Charts seem to be static, but they’re not. They’re just stop-action. Everything is actually in motion. Understanding those motions is a great help in knowing how to read the map.

 
To that end, a visual metaphor may come in handy.
 
Imagine that you’re in a helicopter about 2,000 feet above the ground. Next, imagine that you can look down directly beneath you to see a circular railroad track. This track is divided into twelve different sections. It might help to visualize the ground inside the track as if it were a pie, where we’ve cut the pie
into twelve slices.
 
On the track is a train. This train has twelve cars in all — the engine, ten Pullman cars, and the caboose — and the length of the train just happens to be exactly the same as the length of the track, so that the front of the engine touches the rear of the caboose.
 
UNDERSTANDING CHART MOVEMENT
 
Track = Houses
The track is like the houses with their twelve numbered sections. This circular section of track doesn’t move, of course. It just sits there, fixed in the ground. In much the same way, the houses appear to be fixed in the chart. The 1st house is always on the left (or east,) the 7th always on the right (or west); the 10th is directly overhead, and the 4th directly underfoot.
 
Each pie-shaped section inside the track represents one house. If we wanted to get fancy, we could imagine various coordinated color schemes to represent the qualities of each house or section of track. For instance, we could use reds for the 1st, 5th, and 9th houses, green for the 2nd, 6th, and 10th, yellow for the 3rd, 7th, and 11th, and blue for the 4th, 8th, and 12th. Or we could use different colors to blend the elemental quality with the modal or axis relationship — pastels might work. But it’s your visualization, so hire your own imaginary painters and do it up however you wish.  For now, just imagine that the track has twelve sections.
 
 
Train = Zodiac and its Signs
The train of twelve cars represents the zodiac, with its twelve signs. The engine represents the sign Aries while the caboose is the sign Pisces. The train moves continuously around the track, but very slowly. Our train is just a “local” — once each day it makes one round trip, a complete circuit of the track.
 
This is what happens in the heavens from our vantage point; as the Earth turns on its axis, we here on the Earth’s surface have the experience of remaining stationary, and we perceive the heavens around us turning one complete cycle in a 24-hour period. That’s why the sun appears to “rise” and “set.” Some idiot critics have accused astrology of not knowing the “objective” motions of the solar system, implying that we don’t understand that the earth revolves around the sun. Well, that’s just silly. Of course we understand. That’s not the point.
 
The issue is one of perspective. No one speaks of “earthrise” or “earthset.” We talk in terms of our own subjective experience — sunrise and sunset. For the most part, natal astrology is a human-centered discipline. We attempt to symbolically understand the cosmos through the lens of an individual life, so we use that person’s unique perspective. Duh. In fairness, astrology does offer heliocentric charts, for those who want to see things from the viewpoint of the Sun. But that’s another story entirely.
 
From our viewpoint, the zodiac train makes one trip around the house track every day. As a general rule, each car (sign) takes roughly two hours to travel over a certain section of track (house), although that varies because the train doesn’t move at a constant speed, instead fluctuating through gradual accelerations and decelerations. So imagine the train speeding up a little then slowing down again as it makes its daily circuit around the track. [For the technically-minded, this is referred to in astrology as “signs of long and short ascension,” but for now, just think of the train moving once each day around the track.]
 
So far so good. Next we’ll add the planets, and this is where the metaphor gets interesting.
 
 
Passengers = Planets
The planets are like passengers on the train. How many passengers are aboard? Traditional astrology uses ten bodies (the Sun and Moon, called “lights,” and the eight major planets). Since the 1970s, science has identified literally thousands of other bodies in the solar system, so astrologers now have the option of adding many other symbolic passengers to the train — asteroids, comets, etc. Some astrologers’ charts are littered with passengers, while other astrologers prefer to stick to only the major bodies. I personally use eleven celestial bodies in my chart — the ten standard ones plus another called Chiron.
 
However many passengers we use, they’re all moving gradually through the train, very slowly changing seats, passing through one car until they run out of seats and have to move to the next car. They move backwards through the train, from the engine toward the caboose, and then round again — in a direction
opposite to the train’s movement over the track.
 
In other words, the train moves over the track once each day in a clockwise direction as the passengers move much more slowly through the cars of the train counterclockwise. All the passengers move through the train, from one car to the next, at different speeds. In fact, they travel through the cars at vastly different speeds.
 
For instance, the Moon, the fastest-moving body, is the astrological equivalent of a little kid with ants in his pants who can’t sit still and bounces from one seat to the next, changing cars about every two and a half days, or every two and a half “trips” the train makes around the track. To get through all twelve cars of the whole train takes the Moon one month, or roughly 28 trips. [That’s what a “month” is — the length of one passage of our Moon around the heavens.)
 
At the other end of the speed scale, Pluto is like an old man who can barely walk. He takes two steps and has to rest seemingly forever. Currently, it takes Pluto about 13 years just to move from one car to another. That means it will take him nearly 5,000 complete daily trips of the train just to get out of one car and into the next. And that’s fast for Pluto. He stays in some cars as long as 22 years. All told, to make even a single passage through the twelve cars of the entire train takes him more than 90,000 trips.  Since Mr. Pluto is very, very slow, it’s a big deal when he changes train cars (signs). Pluto moved into the “car” called Sagittarius in 1995, and he won’t make it into the next car, Capricorn, until 2008.
 
 
Relationships = Aspects
Since the passengers move through the train at different speeds, they often pass one another. Sometimes they sit in adjacent seats in the same car, and sometimes they can look out the window and see another passenger moving through the opposite car all the way on the other side of the circular track. The relationships of the individual passengers to one another as they move through the cars represent the geometrical or angular relationships planets form with each other as they move through the zodiac. These relationships are called aspects, and they highlight the changing energetic connections of one planet to another.
 
No wonder charts are complicated.
 
Now, imagine all this motion happening together. Everything is constantly moving, shifting, changing relationship to everything else. At any given moment, a certain passenger is in a certain car of the train, which is moving over a certain section of track, and the passengers as a group form a kaleidoscopic pattern; sometimes they’re all together, sometimes they’re spread out, sometimes they all occupy one half the train, leaving the other half empty. The variations are endless, and they never repeat exactly.
 
 
Take a Snapshot
If we took a photograph from our helicopter, freezing the various motions, stopping the action like a slice out of time, then we would have a picture of the train, the track, the passengers, and their relationships to one another. Signs, houses, planets, and aspects.
 
Erecting a natal chart by hand with ephemerides and tables of houses is like developing that photo in a darkroom, which is how most astrologers worked decades ago. We had to laboriously calculate the exact positions within all the various motions. Now, however, we use computers to erect charts, which are the
equivalent to digital cameras — instant snapshot.
 
That’s essentially what a horoscope is — a picture of all these complex celestial motions and their interrelationships, frozen at an instant in time, as seen from a specific point of view in space.  In natal astrology, our point of view is that of an individual human being taking life’s first breath, establishing both bodily independence and the life-rhythm of prana. When we look at a natal chart with all those arcane symbols dotted around the circle, all those colored lines drawn inside the circle between the symbols, what we’re seeing is an accurate diagram of the different celestial motions as they were configured from that particular infant’s vantage point at birth. We’re looking at a mandala of that individual’s view of the solar system, his or her unique perspective on the cosmos. And we seek to understand the symbolic meanings of that time-space moment.
 
Learning the various movements is simple but essential. If you understand what you’re really seeing when you look at a natal chart, whether it’s your own or someone else’s, then you’ll have a tremendous head start toward using astrology with reverence as well as savvy.
 
© 2004, by Bill Herbst, all rights reserved.
 
Bill Herbst resides in Minneapolis, Minnesota. To schedule a personal session, send an email to bill@billherbst.com
 
Subscriptions to receive The Herbst Newsletter monthly via email are free and can be requested by sending an email to: newsletter@billherbst.com or go to Bill’s website at www.billherbst.com and sign up there.
 

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[Jayke]

It must have been one strong calling to give up a shoulder rubbing celebrity lifestyle in the fashion world and moving away from all that to delve deeper into studying the esoteric arts Ulli...how did you end up stepping away from that lifestyle and start building your living by becoming an astrologer?

also, on a more techical note...I managed to get a hold of a copy of the book Calz recommended 'choice centred astrology' by Gail Fairfield and she mentions about allowing an 8 degree orb for conjunctions and it got me wondering what happens when 2 planets are within a close enough orb range to be classed as a conjunction yet the degrees between them puts them in different signs...

For example if the Moon was at the edge of Taurus then 4 degrees away in Aries we have a Mercury/Venus conjunction.

how does a conjunction across signs affect the interplay of energies between all the aspects involved?

[ulli]

It must have been one strong calling to give up a shoulder rubbing celebrity lifestyle in the fashion world and moving away from all that to delve deeper into studying the esoteric arts Ulli...how did you end up stepping away from that lifestyle and start building your living by becoming an astrologer?

It was easy, I had help from above, when I had a download about how the universe was made according to a perfectly ordered system.
Call it enlightenment.

But it took five more years before I had wound down my operation, didn't want to let go the staff unless they had secure new jobs, didn't want to declare bankrupcy and made sure I had no debts. Also that's when I decided that no bank was ever going to benefit from me again, and have not owned a credit card since 1982, I could already then see how the debt society would end up.
I now use my husband's card and only for booking flights.
There were also more and more strange coincidences, or synchronicities, like finding books in weird places, in answer to some questions I had just asked myself earlier.
I became known as the person with the weird coincidences. But I also lost a lot of credibility as I kept talking about God all of a sudden.
Then came my Gurdjieff period, Krishnamurti, Yogananda, endless astrology books,
and as I was getting my spiritual education a rift between the older crowd and myself grew...
I felt different from these people who only worried about their status and money and fame and image.
I once was invited to go to the Dorchester Hotel and do the charts for James Mason, the actor, and Diana Rigg, and Sylvia Miles, an entire crew of an Agatha Christie movie. And I meditated on it and decided NO!!! I knew I would get sucked into the Hollywood trap, and it would cost me my soul. So I declined.
So by sending that message to the universe I changed my timeline, even though my materialistic self was still quite strong and very tempted to go down that road.

But when there is a fork in our road, we had better think about our long-term consequences, right up to where it will lead our souls.
And after that decision things speeded up, the universe received my mesage, and all in the same week we got an offer on the two shop leases and our Westminster apartment, which had been on the market for ages...and we paid off what we owed the bank and packed our goodies into a container and moved to Barbados.
So my earlier dream of retiring at age 32 came true, although it wasn't much of a retirement, what with all those new challenges that came later.

It was the university of hard knocks, no mistake about it, even the glamour years.

The fashion scene is very cut-throat at the top, and I knew I wanted to survive without the semi-criminal financial backers who were prowling around, wanting to go legal with their affairs, and who were offering me "all the money in the world", securing my bank account, etc...
but they also were breathing down the necks of some of the brilliant designers I knew, and so I was warned.
So I did it witout huge capital injections, just bank loans...which meant no massive publicity, no million dollar fashion shows.
There were some crazy up and down periods businesswise, theft from staff, in other words the SHTF at various moments that made life unbeararble.
Then came the biggest clincher of all: I had a baby and found myself miserable to leave him at home with the nanny, while his screams echoed down the Westminster streets as I was driving to work.
Also having opened two shops, I had expanded too much, one in Covent Garden and another in Beauchamp Place, high rents areas.
Then I also began to get bored around many of those celebrity friends as they became more addicted to their lifestyles than expressing their talents, and the whole gourmet restaurant scene lost it's lure as I was hungry for spiritual food.
Well, you asked, and I answered.

[ulli]

Jayke

good question about the conjunction across the two sign zones...I thought about it a lot, and while doing that, as well as looking at evidence in the charts I encountered I came across a theory of my own, namely that all conjunctions are stronger in their influence than the sign the planet is in.
So the interaction between closely conjunct planets blends the personality most stongly, then comes the planet that sits a few degrees away, but still in orb range, and finally the sign. This is where interpretation is really difficult, and I rely on my intuition at that point.
A Mars Saturn conjunction is always very strong in influencing a person, then one must consider if Mars was in high energy sign, like fire sign Aries, or in a water sign, like Pisces, where the energy is mostly used in the inner being. If furthermore the Pisces Mars person has that conjunction with Saturn in Aries, initiative will be extra low, and decision making processes are hindered.
All these things have to be taken into consideration in a careful reading...which is why one needs time to see all this stuff.
My first glance at any chart is to the conjunctions, then the right angles and oppositions and only at the end I look at signs and houses. Of course with experience this process gets faster. But then communicating all of those fators takes time. Most people have no idea that they are very complex beings, and my goal is to take their attention away for a while from the outside world and start examining their inner reality, and get them to marvel at who they really are in the larger picture, and set them on their mission, as per their initial contract before coming into this life.
That is the path to true freedom.

[Jayke]

Wow, your wisdom is very much appreciated Ulli, the more I look into astrology the more I realize how complex it all seems to be with the huge amount of possible interactions of energies at play, just learning some of the basics has had me waking me up in sweats as I dream of planets, signs and symbols all racing endlessly through my mind, my girlfriend has already started asking for readings and I've only read half of one book lol...I can see why it's classed as a divination art and not just a science, the amount of intuition needed to be able to just sort through the possibilities and identify those parts which might stand out for the person sat across from you seem to be quite immense...I commend you for putting this all together for everyone and helping us get to grips with it a little better. I have 3 more books on the way so I'll probably be back to bother you for more insight when any more questions pop up lol thanks again

[ulli]

I honestly don't mind you bringing questions here, so we can figure out the answers together,
and others can then chip in as well.
This is a discussion forum after all.
The part about waking up in sweats and thinking about planets is important.
It means you are passionate.

Only with that kind of passion do you feel alive and know you are doing what is meant for you to do.

I recommend all the younger people to change their jobs if they don't feel passionate.
None of us are so simple that one single career is enough...our charts testify to that.

[ulli]

I just remembered Ray Merriman, who uses astrology as a base for financial analysis...

Here is his impressive bio:

"Raymond A. Merriman is the founder and President of The Merriman Market Analyst, Inc., a market-timing and advisory firm. He is the editor of the MMA Cycles Report, a financial market timing newsletter used by banks, financial institutions, investors, and traders throughout the world since 1981. He is the author of several books on Financial Astrology, including the five-volume set titled The Ultimate Book on Stock Market Timing (1997-2003), The Gold Book: Geocosmic Correlations to Gold Price Cycles (1982), The Sun, Moon, and The Silver Market: Secrets of a Silver Trader (1992), and Merriman on Market Cycles: The Basics (1994).

He has a B.S. degree in Psychology from Michigan State University (1969) and earned his first certification as a Professional Life Member of the American Federation of Astrologers in 1972. He has served as President of the International Society of Astrological Research (1994-2001), is a registered CTA (Commodities Trading Advisor), and worked as Vice-President of Retail Commodity Accounts for Paine Webber, Inc. (1990-1994), as well as an Investment Advisor for both E.F. Hutton and Prudential Bache. Raymond A. Merriman is the founder and President of The Merriman Market Analyst, Inc., a market-timing and advisory firm.


and here is his current forecast:

MMA Comments for the Week Beginning August 1, 2011
Written by Raymond Merriman
Review and Preview
“They were the world’s richest and shrewdest investors, and they rode a wave of globalization to buy bonds in a promising developing country. When that country defaulted, they were livid. The year was 1842 and the country was the United States.”- Nicholas Kristof, in the September 20, 1998 issue of New York Times International

According to media reports (which has now become the accepted and conventional belief), this will be the first time the USA has ever defaulted on its debt obligations. But as highly respected financial reporter Nicholas Kristof reported in 1998, that is not the case. A lot of hype and exaggeration tends to occur when Mercury is connected with Sagittarius. Ideas presented as facts are not always true and it is a challenge just to separate the bluster from the truth

Unfortunately, what happened last week was true. I mean, the worst side of heliocentric Mercury in Sagittarius (July 19-31) proved to be as panic-driven and hysterical as suggested could be the case. At first this transit started out as euphoric and optimistic. Stock markets rallied smartly the first three days as hope leaped, based on the possibility of a USA debt ceiling agreement. But as indicated in last week’s column, “…it was perhaps not a surprise that investors were looking for any reason to buy. They got not one, but as many as three possible reasons last week, none of which is based upon anything more than hope.”

Last week reality trumped hope. The stock markets of the world topped out July 21-22 (the prior week). But as the dysfunction (President Obama’s words) of the White House and Congress trying to agree upon a plan to raise the debt ceiling limit became more and more apparent to investors, stock markets began falling, and they fell all week. And now we come to the so-called “deadline” of August 2 when the USA will not have enough funds to meet all of its financial obligations, thereby courting the dreaded “default.” But here is a heliocentric Mercury in Sagittarius riddle: if there is going to be a default, why did U.S. Treasuries soar last week to their highest level since the financial meltdown of late 2008? Somebody knows something, and what is being reported is clearly not everything. Who is buying U.S. Treasuries in this environment?

But the drama in D.C continues. Will there be any adults in the room as the pressures mount to forge an agreement before it is too late (and just exactly when is “too late?”)? There are not likely many adults in the room now in any event with the Sun in Leo (Leo rules children) and in square to Jupiter (Jupiter rules exaggeration, bluffs, and hysteria). Where is Saturn (the adult in the room) when we need him? Well, he is over in the Gold market, stocking up on the real future currency as the Dollar and Euro continue to be suspect, given the karma now coming forth from governmental fiscal mismanagement and corruption in the financial community over the past decade in both regions of the world. But what good does it do to cast blame over past behaviors? The problem is in the present: the inability or unwillingness of leaders in both fields (as well as banking) to change courses and fully recover from the addiction of spending beyond one’s means. Overcoming such addictions is never easy, especially when you don’t understand the causes (not that I do, but like everyone, I want leaders who understand and who also have the well-being of those they serve at the forefront of their behaviors). There are some on both sides of the aisle.

The biggest star last week was once again Gold, which soared to another new record high of 1637/ounce in the December contract. The Swiss Franc and Japanese Yen also soared to new record highs against the U.S. Dollar. The Swiss Franc is now nearing the 130 target that I gave in the presentation to the ICE traders last October (https://youtube.com/raymondmerriman). It surpassed 127 last week.

Short-Term Geocosmics
We now come into the Mercury retrograde time band (August 2-26) and a slew of other “not-so-funny” signatures discussed the prior two weeks. In what is becoming an unhealthy and regular pattern, the U.S. Congress and White House will probably make an important policy decision under Mercury retrograde. And once again everyone is likely to discover that whatever they agreed upon will have to be revisited and debated again, because they didn’t have time to read and comprehend clearly the whole deal. There is likely no long-term acceptance of what is about to pass in Congress. Yes, I think something will pass shortly on the debt ceiling, but it won’t solve the problem. It is more likely to create new ones, unless they willingly agree to a temporary solution, and respectfully revisit it again under more favorable cosmic conditions, something the President has said he won’t accept.

But in terms of markets, this next week is potentially very critical. Of most importance (in my view) is transiting Mars entering Cancer on August 3. It will immediately conjunct the USA’s natal Venus and Jupiter, the Federal Reserve Board’s natal Pluto (opposition to its natal Sun), and President Obama’s natal Venus. And during this same period next week, Obama will celebrate (or curse) his 50th birthday on August 4. Mars entering any cardinal sign is a big deal for Financial and Mundane Astrologers. Many financial markets - especially those related to the interest-rates (Treasuries, currencies) - are most vulnerable to reversals. Its history implies a sudden and major change in investor sentiment regarding markets, for one week later Mars will then form a T-square with Uranus and Pluto (August 8-10). They are now within only one degree of a square to one another. It may not be easy being a leader in government, banking, and business, pivoting so suddenly, and probably in a self-serving manner by which they hope to deflect any criticism. It’s going to get extremely emotional, so try your best to act like “the adult in the room” wherever you are. You’re likely to see some very immature behaviors exhibited, like “tantrums.”

Longer Term Thoughts
“Addressing the current federal debt ceiling crisis by itself is no fix at all,” the group led by BlackRock, the world’s largest money manager said in an open letter on Monday. The consequences of a downgrade from Triple A status would be “very real and very serious,” the letter said. It would mean higher interest rates over the course of many years ahead and risks the US dollar losing its status as the world’s reserve currency…"
- Financial Times, July 26, 2011, “Custodians Issue Deficit Warning.”

Funny, isn’t it? The very consequences described in these columns and the Forecast Books of the past two years, based on the historical correlation of planetary cycles to human activity, are now being addressed by mainstream news reports. The U.S. Dollar may lose its status as the world’s reserve currency as a result of a downgrade of its creditworthiness, which is a result of the inability (or unwillingness) of leaders to control the continuously escalating debt crisis. That’s now news! But it is old news to Financial Astrologers.

How did we first pick this theme up via our understanding of Financial Astrology? It wasn’t that hard (but somebody had to do it). We start with the waning phase of the Saturn-Pluto cycle (opposition to conjunction), which lasts 16-20 years. In the current case, it is in force between 2001 and 2020 (before that it was 1966-1982). Historically this is a period in which government spending increases greatly, and more than federal revenue receipts. As a result, the deficits and debt of a nation increases greatly too. In order to make up this difference, governments usually have to borrow more money (in the form of bond issuance) and increase taxes, both on individuals and corporations. But then unemployment increases and the economy starts to stagnate shortly after, as there is less money for consumers to spend, and therefore less demand for goods and services in the private sector. Interest rates also go up and stock markets suffer steeper declines and more frequent bear markets. The economy enters more frequent and deeper recessions coincident with these policies during this phase of the Saturn-Pluto cycle.

Secondly, the forecast of the Dollar losing its status was a matter of comparing the transits of the furthest out planetary movements to the charts of the USA and the Federal Reserve Board, the true custodians of the U.S. Dollar’s value. Pluto, as written many times in this column, pertains to debt. Venus is its currency. When the transit of Pluto, Neptune, or Uranus form a hard aspect (conjunction, square, or opposition) to one’s natal Venus or Jupiter, there is a danger of spending more than one can afford and thereby flirting with the prospect of bankruptcy (or default). The U.S.A. chart (born July 2 or 4) has its natal Venus and Jupiter in the first five degrees of Cancer. The Saturn-Uranus-Pluto T-square last year was in the first five degrees of Aries, Libra, and Capricorn, making a grand square to the USA natal Venus-Jupiter. Thus four of the possible six combinations of potential bankruptcy were present, and both Pluto and Uranus will remain in the celestial region until 2013. Additionally, the Federal Reserve Board (born December 23, 1913) also has its natal Sun-Pluto opposition in the first two degrees of Capricorn and Cancer, again part of a grand square to Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto, of which Uranus is still in force.

Will the USA default on its debt? Well, it happened in 1842. That was part of a major economic depression period for the USA. It was shortly after President Andrew Jackson terminated the USA’s central bank, the equivalent of today’s Federal Reserve. The USA government, and not an independent bank, became the custodian of the USA funds. It didn’t work out so well then. If the USA Dollar loses its status as the world’s reserve currency, it probably won’t work out so well for the either Federal Reserve or the USA economy this time either. What was going on in 1842 was very similar to what was going on in 2010. Saturn and Pluto were right in middle of their waning phase.

Yet even though there are similarities between then and now in terms of planetary cycles and economic conditions, the result does not have to be the same. After all, that is the higher purpose of cycles: to recognize what has worked and what hasn’t worked when a particular cycle returns, and to maximize that which does work while countering that which didn’t work with a different behavior. It’s called “awareness, openness, and choice,” as opposed to “ignorance, entrenchment, and denial.” One is highly functional, the other greatly dysfunctional.

http://www.mmacycles.com/weekly-prev...ugust-1,-2011/

[Calz]

Well ... I traded futures for a "hobby" and I was an astrologer for a "hobby".

Let me just say if one wants to wade into this minefield they had best be *very well funded* and have nerves of steel.

Astro helps but only if you can put on a position and sit comfortably and confidently while the market takes you down dramatically in the short term.

That said ... we are talking history here ... the system is collapsing by the minute.

No time for anyone to learn how to do this.

Is it not clear to everyone by now???

[ulli]

Well, all system change is tough, of course.
But the world will go on.
People will form communities and barter for a while, then get used to the global currency.

What I sincerely HOPE is that after the shift
people will make their hobbies their professions.

Because the profession or job is mostly coerced,
during a period of life when the system imposes it's demands
and lures people into a monotonous trap.

A person's hobbies reveal where the heart is at.

[Calz]

My "hope" is that money will disappear.

Alex Collier ET message (paraphrasing):

Why do you need to pay money to live on a planet you were born on???

[spelsylver]

Would you mind doing mine?

12/14/84

10:53 am

Torrance , CA

[Carmody]

I think my list of 'hobbies' would scare most people.

Neptune in the first, in Scorpio, trine a triple conjunction.... and sextile a quad conjunction.

[ulli]

What will disappear is war, hunger, homelessness, and all sorts of ridiculous extremes.

But money will still be used, as a system of exchange.

Or singers will have to sing for their food,

and and poets pay for their food with poetry.

I don't want to be paid with poetry when my avocado trees start bearing.

[Calz]

Someone needs some "mentoring"

[Carmody]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
My "hope" is that money will disappear.

Alex Collier ET message (paraphrasing):

Why do you need to pay money to live on a planet you were born on???

The dissolution of money is only functional in a 'over unity-free energy' environment.

Loosing money outside of that, has the very high chance of creating a simple feudal slavery system of purposefully created ignorance and extreme social/cultural violence. Controlled workforces. Plain and simple.

My last life lived was on a world just like that. No future and it was deep into the downward spiral.

As soon as one steps out of the jungle or pastoral aspects of living, the need for a universal value exchange system rears it's head.

Remove energy as the limiter.... and then the system you seek --- can appear.

[ulli]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
My "hope" is that money will disappear.

Alex Collier ET message (paraphrasing):

Why do you need to pay money to live on a planet you were born on???

The dissolution of money is only functional in a 'over unity-free energy' environment.

Loosing money outside of that, has the very high chance of creating simple feudal slavery system of purposefully created ignorance and extreme violence. Controlled workforces. Plain and simple.

As soon as one steps out of the jungle or pastoral aspects of living, the need for a universal value exchange system rears it's head.

Remove energy as the limiter.... and then the system you seek --- can appear.

Remove top-down hierarchy government as the limiter...then whatever is agreed on and works best....can appear.

I say let's all use pretty glass beads, or marbles, different colours for different values.

[Carmody]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
My "hope" is that money will disappear.

Alex Collier ET message (paraphrasing):

Why do you need to pay money to live on a planet you were born on???

The dissolution of money is only functional in a 'over unity-free energy' environment.

Loosing money outside of that, has the very high chance of creating simple feudal slavery system of purposefully created ignorance and extreme violence. Controlled workforces. Plain and simple.

As soon as one steps out of the jungle or pastoral aspects of living, the need for a universal value exchange system rears it's head.

Remove energy as the limiter.... and then the system you seek --- can appear.

Remove top-down hierarchy government as the limiter...then whatever is agreed on and works best....can appear.

I say let's all use pretty glass beads, or marbles, different colours for different values.

The removal of the energy control paradigm is the thing that reflects 'openness' back onto the given society.

All these things will happen at once, and will get mixed up in our tum-tum-tummies.

[ulli]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
Someone needs some "mentoring"

Right...send Alex Collier my way...I'll set him straight.