Astrology as a "Know Yourself" tool

[wegge]

With astrological possibilities in mind I think the Caesarean (section) get´s new range of meaning?
Has any of the astrologers here also experiences with the shaman medicine wheel?



this reminds me of the game ludo... in germany it´s called "Mensch ärgere dich nicht" (Do not get angry, man). Both games are derived from the indian game Pachisi.
The token as planets?

[Catsquotl]

In reading up on astrology. Well sort of reading loads and understanding little yet…
I found this explanation on the birth chart. Maybe it’s as useful for you as it is for me…
Look at your chart and answer these questions:
I am someone with the being of (sun/sign), And find my biggest development in (sun/house)
My Role and life’s feeling is (AC),In this I am supported and influenced by(Planets in the first house)
My disposition is like (moon/sign),and forces my instinctively towards(moon/house)
I think like (mercury/sign), and prefer to use my mind in regards to Mercury/house)
My idea’s about love, relations and beauty is (venus/sign), my experience of beauty is expressed in (venus/house)
I do battle like (mars/sign), and fight my conflicts often in (mars/house)
Life’s attitude I find valueble and impressive (Jupiter/sign)
I feel wealthy in the terrain of (Jupiter/house), and all jupiter touches (jupiter- aspects)
I experience difficulty with (Saturn/sign), My boundaries, guilty feelings and biggest growth opportunities are within (Saturn/house) and all Saturn touches (Saturn-aspects)
I am living my independence en change my point of views in the area of (Uranus/sign)
And all Uranus touches (Uranus-aspects)
Deep desires and longing for salvation I experience in the field of (Neptune/house), and all Neptune touches.(Neptune-aspects)
Power, disempower,tunnelexperiences,possesion and deep transformations are experienced my me in the field of (Pluto/house),And all Pluto touches(Pluto-aspects).

I am sorry for the broken engrisch.. I had to translate all the questions from dutch.
Anyone up for adding moon node’s, Lillith, Midpoints etc.

With Love
Eelco

[Catsquotl]

Posted by ulli (here)
Also some people just got their charts done, clicked the thank you button and then disappeared, and I must admit, that left me feeling I had been used. That was never the idea...
Maybe I should ask Paul to help me make an application form to vet for membership only those who are really keen on studying this stuff with sincerity, hehe

I am sorry. I responded a little, but it was not my intention to leave you feeling used. After your reading I have been On holliday without much of an internet connection (appart from my cellphone to read up at times.) And been immersing myself in astrology books and computerprograms (gotta love bit torrent and keppler version 7 or janus 4) Whilst of course do the time juggle with my 6 kids who deserve more of my time, especially during the hollidays....

That said I was not prepared for the huge amount of info trying to learn astrology entails..I would not know where to begin to start asking questions about the reading you did..
Maybe i'll get back to you as things start to fall into place.

With Love
Eelco

[modwiz]

Posted by astrid (here)
Ulli which books, authors can you recommend for the new Astrology student?


I just found a really an really interesting mp3 file on Edgar Cayce and Astrology.
I will try and upload it here.

ok its here.. on this list.

http://mp3skull.com/mp3/edgar_cayce.html

Also.... i have astro friends that follow Tom Lescher , he brings out weekly updates.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jNdhdnd2M4Q

Hey, it's Elrond!

[ulli]

Posted by Catsquotl (here)
In reading up on astrology. Well sort of reading loads and understanding little yet…
I found this explanation on the birth chart. Maybe it’s as useful for you as it is for me…
Look at your chart and answer these questions:
I am someone with the being of (sun/sign), And find my biggest development in (sun/house)
My Role and life’s feeling is (AC),In this I am supported and influenced by(Planets in the first house)
My disposition is like (moon/sign),and forces my instinctively towards(moon/house)
I think like (mercury/sign), and prefer to use my mind in regards to Mercury/house)
My idea’s about love, relations and beauty is (venus/sign), my experience of beauty is expressed in (venus/house)
I do battle like (mars/sign), and fight my conflicts often in (mars/house)
Life’s attitude I find valueble and impressive (Jupiter/sign)
I feel wealthy in the terrain of (Jupiter/house), and all jupiter touches (jupiter- aspects)
I experience difficulty with (Saturn/sign), My boundaries, guilty feelings and biggest growth opportunities are within (Saturn/house) and all Saturn touches (Saturn-aspects)
I am living my independence en change my point of views in the area of (Uranus/sign)
And all Uranus touches (Uranus-aspects)
Deep desires and longing for salvation I experience in the field of (Neptune/house), and all Neptune touches.(Neptune-aspects)
Power, disempower,tunnelexperiences,possesion and deep transformations are experienced my me in the field of (Pluto/house),And all Pluto touches(Pluto-aspects).

I am sorry for the broken engrisch.. I had to translate all the questions from dutch.
Anyone up for adding moon node’s, Lillith, Midpoints etc.

With Love
Eelco

Thanks for that, but if I added the moon's node, Lilith, midpoints, it would mean continuing an uncomfortable journey, where one might get lost in irrelevancies, on a rough road, wearing heavy boots.
You might find easier ways to learning this...more fun methods.
Some of it is quite true, of course, and valuable for any learner. I had a look. But it is a bit limiting, and therefore could be frustrating.
But everybody's learning method is different.

I started out with two books, one very dry in it's style, and using ancient concepts, and the other was a coffee table book called The Compleat Astrologer, full of pictures, psychological lingo, and clearly laid out pages.
Neither one of them was perfect for me, so whenever I became frustrated, which was quite often, I switched back to the other book. Then I started buying more books.
I can understand my behaviour now, as I have Mercury in Aquarius, which makes me like a mental pop corn.

Until I learnt astrology I always felt uncomfortable with myself, as I had received so much criticism all my life from other people. Now I understand them, have forgiven them...no child with a Mars Mercury conjunction in Aquarius and Pluto rising is easy to be around, and they let me know it. That was before they used labels like ADHD. As a child I switched between ADHD and autism, withdrawing into myself when overwhelmed by hatred for "those stupid adults"...

But then I learnt astrology and everything changed. It's ok to be a motor mouth when you have an interested audience...I found out. I was in heaven with a microphone in my hand, though initially very scared of it.

So if people have a look at their own chart they will get an indication about their personal learning style...some people learn best by reading quietly on their own, (Capricorn, Aquarius), others by listening, (Pisces), others by debate and interaction (Libra, Gemini), others by grazing a bit here and there(Sagittarius)
What I find great is this can be done in one's own time...
You no other master than yourself. When there is never enough time, that's when you know that this is your calling.
Just keep doing all your friends charts, and better still, get them involved.

It's a big AHA! moment when you are reading an astrology book and you discover that the writer stole from another book, the one you just finished reading, and had lifted everything verbatim, including the other authors spelling error, haha...
That should tell you something...
Like "hey, I could write a better book than this!!!!"

I stick to websites now, personally...the Internet has spoiled me.
Google as many pages as possible, randomly. If you write "Sun Venus conjunction" in the search box a whole bunch of sites should come up, and on the same page you may find info about all the other conjunctions.
Even squares, trines, oppositions and sextiles.
Astrologers are a generous bunch, having been ridiculed so much that now they use the Internet to share freely.

I used to refer to Robert Hand's books...in particular "Planets in Transits", since my clients wanted to know what was going on with their lives more than who they were basically.
But nothing beats googling for getting loads of info quickly.
Then bookmark your favorite sites.....Then put your partners, mothers, fathers, data in there- or anyone you know really well, and start analyzing.
Don't forget to have a good laugh at everyone's expense, including your own.

[ulli]

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Posted by ulli (here)

I am sorry. I responded a little, but it was not my intention to leave you feeling used. After your reading I have been On holliday without much of an internet connection (appart from my cellphone to read up at times.) And been immersing myself in astrology books and computerprograms (gotta love bit torrent and keppler version 7 or janus 4) Whilst of course do the time juggle with my 6 kids who deserve more of my time, especially during the hollidays....

That said I was not prepared for the huge amount of info trying to learn astrology entails..I would not know where to begin to start asking questions about the reading you did..
Maybe i'll get back to you as things start to fall into place.

With Love
Eelco

Not to worry, Eelco...thanks for being sweet and considerate...and good job raising six kids, wow!!!!


Actually, I wasn't even thinking of anyone in particular, except perhaps one...and even there I realized afterwards I just had to repay a Karmic debt.
( now I can hear everyone's brain wheels buzzing...who I wonder, is ulli talking about?)

Ya'll never find out. Remember I had some Gurdjieff training which means you can never be sure what I mean.
You are your reality. YOU!
When that has sunk in, in it's totality, that's when you can step out and shake hands with ET and say "Welcome to my
world!"

[ulli]

Posted by wegge (here)
With astrological possibilities in mind I think the Caesarean (section) get´s new range of meaning?
Has any of the astrologers here also experiences with the shaman medicine wheel?



this reminds me of the game ludo... in germany it´s called "Mensch ärgere dich nicht" (Do not get angry, man).

Hi Wegge

This question about Cesarian birth really bothered me...
I was honestly panicked when my first grandson, due to his Cesarian birth scheduling, was born with an Aries moon, instead of the much healthier Taurus moon.
Why is the moon better in some signs than in others?
Well, that question is up for debate, depends how one feels about human emotions.
The moon is what makes us emotional, and in Aries, which is a hot sign, the temper can be fierce. (Hey, look, even the word "fierce" has fire in it.)
Meanwhile Taurus is very stable, to the point of stubborness, so having the moon there means the person has an easier time controlling their emotions and responses...better for maintaining peace on earth.
But after accepting things the way they are and looking at some amazing moon in Aries people, I was ok with it.
Even hospital scheduling is taken into acoount by an all- knowing higher self.
To really start living one has to get into a "it's all good" mode...that's what a friend of mine in Barbados named his restaurant, lol.
After that, when you notice something wrong, you can start responding, and doing something.

No good watching all that negativity on the news, it so overwhelming that it locks one into inactivity.


I played that game Ludo too...and yes, possibly it is all connected.

All the divination arts come from a time in history when certain mysteries were understood...
The gnostic teachings, Toltec, the I Ching, runes, Maya calender, palmistry...

All provide languages and paths to the same spot: the true self.

And wham! Fifth element in place, and humanity becomes divinity.
Easy. Just chose your path, or language.
Then look within, for awhile, anyway....
Find out how lovable you are...
After that you'll funtion so much better

[Carmody]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
Saturn rules focus, tunnel vision.
Meanwhile Uranus gets distracted, wants to spread thin, be everywhere at once.

I love being everywhere at once! (said in best Ren Höek voice)

But in a relaxed kinda way.

The prominence of Uranus mixing with Neptune.

I get the image of a spider, legs crossed, arms behind head, lying inside a huge web he just finished making, attached to many trees, and which is full of glistening dewdrops...the web is an extention of himself, and his senses can access every single thread...

Yes, Uranus (humanity and electricity-and it's an electric universe) running amok, with Neptune in the first..in Scorpio. Tied to the power of the combined oscillations of 7 other planets, in good but powerful aspect to one another.

Thus the whole psychic involvement with the death of others, the passage through the system of astral planes. Thus my familial name, "shelterer of the door, guardian of the doorway; pulling the smoke from the fire, exposing the light of the forge". And so on. Each of us has our own story, of some similarity, and some given function.

[ulli]

Great analysis, Carmody.
But if you were a Pisces you would see it as a liquid universe, not an electric one.
Virgo is all about nerves, which are thin wires like electricity conductors, hence energy flow has a specific direction and voltages can be measured. Pisces is currents and waves...one can never measure those, although some surfers might come close.
Yet the universe doesn't care what we see it as, it is way beyond our limited perspectives.

So much greater and so much more mysterious...yet always beckoning the explorer...come come...

The main thing is for people to project whatever is best for their own understanding, so they can continue to function in a linear way, waking up and able to pick up where they left off before going to sleep.
For that a healthy ego is needed.
As in I'm OK, you're OK.

[ulli]

@ Astrid

It looks like you are already showing me more than I can show you...which is amazing.
I loved that video.
When I was learning astrology I had a set of books that may be a bit outdated now...Margaret Hone comes to mind...I'd have to go to my musty old library to look at them....oh and Liz Greene, too....Michael Lutin...great fun to read. I never could get into the high-brow writers, except perhaps Reinhold Ebertin.
the real learning happens in the doing, and how you yourself process the info and make it your own.
That's when it becomes an art. It is important also to remember that whoever you are reading a chart for has at that moment been brought there by providence, as well as you to them.
If you have doubt in that your readings will get stuck.
So just as with medicine, confidence is an important factor...without getting stuck in self-importance.

[jozam]

Hi Ulli is it ok to give you my date and time ..i was born 15/11/64 my mothers not sure of the time but guesses arond 2.30pm..thankyou

[ulli]

I just finished doing Kamikaze's chart and when I pressed the "send" button the whole page vanished...no idea how to get it back...
if I were a computer wiz I could probably do it...I just realized the Internet crashed briefly.

Mercury retrograde, opposite Neptune....no point forcing the issue with such stuff going on...also the kitten jumped on my back and clawed itself up my skin, drawing blood.
Now I want Kamikaze to change his name before I give it another try....sniff..

[Curt]

Posted by ulli (here)
I just finished doing Kamikaze's chart and when I pressed the "send" button the whole page vanished...no idea how to get it back...
if I were a computer wiz I could probably do it...I just realized the Internet crashed briefly.

Mercury retrograde, opposite Neptune....no point forcing the issue with such stuff going on...also the kitten jumped on my back and clawed itself up my skin, drawing blood.
Now I want Kamikaze to change his name before I give it another try....sniff..

Ouch. Computers are cruel sometimes. And so are cats for that matter, but at least they're cute.

[ulli]

I'm going to try and reconstruct what I wrote about Kamikaze's chart...

Aries Ascendant, with Jupiter also in Aries, just above the Ascendant in the 12th house
Sun in Gemini in the 3rd, Mercury, Mars and the moon in Cancer in the 4th. That already gives a strong contradictive setting...where the need for homeliness and security clash with a strong drive for adventure.

I was thinking when I saw that, and later also when I saw Pluto on the Midheaven, the highest point of the chart and indicative of death and rebirth, how the name Kamikaze was so totally apt.
Because what more can one do to keep the collective safe than give one's own life?
It has to be a highly evolved soul that is willing to do that, never mind that they were probably brainwashed into doing it.
But in the case of this evolved Avalonian who may or may well be enlightened, a transcendence point has already been reached
and no longer is it necessary to be a martyr.
Instead teaching and guiding others to transform from their own brainwashed selves to their true selves is all that is required.

[sandy]

Posted by Catsquotl (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
Also some people just got their charts done, clicked the thank you button and then disappeared, and I must admit, that left me feeling I had been used. That was never the idea...
Maybe I should ask Paul to help me make an application form to vet for membership only those who are really keen on studying this stuff with sincerity, hehe

I am sorry. I responded a little, but it was not my intention to leave you feeling used. After your reading I have been On holliday without much of an internet connection (appart from my cellphone to read up at times.) And been immersing myself in astrology books and computerprograms (gotta love bit torrent and keppler version 7 or janus 4) Whilst of course do the time juggle with my 6 kids who deserve more of my time, especially during the hollidays....

That said I was not prepared for the huge amount of info trying to learn astrology entails..I would not know where to begin to start asking questions about the reading you did..
Maybe i'll get back to you as things start to fall into place.

With Love
Eelco

Dear Ulli,

Please take my data off of your list of people to read their astrology chart. I must have misinterpreted your invitation to do this for Avalon members. I do not have a desire to learn all about astrology as it is just to complicated for my mind to grasp. I have tried to follow this thread but 3 quarters of it goes over my head due to my lack of basic knowledge.

I just thought you were offering to do this to help others in areas of direction for their lives and sometimes understanding for what may be reasons for positive or negative events happening in ones life that may be from the cosmos that many are not aware of due to not knowing or understanding the dynamics of the cosmos.

Therefore the last thing I would ever want, is for you to feel used by me, thus my request to have my info deleted from your list. I think you are very bright, intuitive and wise and do value and read your posts. So must say thank you for sharing your experiences and life journey as I have grown from your openness and honesty

[ulli]

Dear Sandy,

Thank you for writing such a nice letter and expressing concern for me.
It actually makes you a candidate for a reading...because I can feel your sincerity.

In the financial investment world there are rules like "don't buy just because shares are cheap...
look at the company's growth momentum... then invest..."

Or in the good old days, when bankers were still decent people, they would lend money
only to those who had already shown an ability to save a few bucks every week...
or, in other words, who had a handle on their shopping impulses.

How does this relate to astrology? Everything is related. As above, so below.
Never underestimate the lessons of the material world...
they are parallels to the higher worlds.

When a person has sincere hunger to grow spiritually
they will start to take care of their own spiritual well-being.
And to some that may look like selfishness. It is not.
We have to free ourselves from feeling judged by other people's standards.

Here is a quote from Baha'i writings which has remained with me even after I quit working in groups.
It shows again how absolute truth still can be found...INSIDE of us, placed there by our creator.

Baha'u'llah: "Man is the supreme Talisman.
Lack of a proper education has, however, deprived him of that which he inherently possesses.

Through a word proceeding out of the mouth of God he was called into being;
by one word more he was guided to recognize the Source of his education;
by yet another word his station and destiny were safeguarded.

The Great Being saith: Regard man as a mine rich in gems of inestimable value.
Education can, alone, cause it to reveal its treasures, and enable mankind to benefit therefrom.

If any man were to meditate on that which the Scriptures, sent down from the heaven of God's holy Will,
have revealed, he would readily recognize that their purpose is that all men shall be regarded as one soul, so that the seal bearing the words `The Kingdom shall be God's' may be stamped on every heart,
and the light of Divine bounty, of grace, and mercy may envelop all mankind.

The One true God, exalted be His glory, hath wished nothing for Himself.
The allegiance of mankind profiteth Him not, neither doth its perversity harm Him.

The Bird of the Realm of Utterance voiceth continually this call:
`All things have I willed for thee, for thine own sake.'

If the learned and worldly-wise men of this age were to allow mankind
to inhale the fragrance of fellowship and love, every understanding heart would apprehend the meaning of true liberty,
and discover the secret of undisturbed peace and absolute composure.

[thunder24]

Posted by ulli (here)

Here is a quote from Baha'i writings which has remained with me even after I quit working in groups.
It shows again how absolute truth still can be found...INSIDE of us, placed there by our creator.

Baha'u'llah: "Man is the supreme Talisman.
Lack of a proper education has, however, deprived him of that which he inherently possesses.

Through a word proceeding out of the mouth of God he was called into being;
by one word more he was guided to recognize the Source of his education;
by yet another word his station and destiny were safeguarded.

The Great Being saith: Regard man as a mine rich in gems of inestimable value.
Education can, alone, cause it to reveal its treasures, and enable mankind to benefit therefrom.

If any man were to meditate on that which the Scriptures, sent down from the heaven of God's holy Will,
have revealed, he would readily recognize that their purpose is that all men shall be regarded as one soul, so that the seal bearing the words `The Kingdom shall be God's' may be stamped on every heart,
and the light of Divine bounty, of grace, and mercy may envelop all mankind.

The One true God, exalted be His glory, hath wished nothing for Himself.
The allegiance of mankind profiteth Him not, neither doth its perversity harm Him.

The Bird of the Realm of Utterance voiceth continually this call:
`All things have I willed for thee, for thine own sake.'

If the learned and worldly-wise men of this age were to allow mankind
to inhale the fragrance of fellowship and love, every understanding heart would apprehend the meaning of true liberty,
and discover the secret of undisturbed peace and absolute composure.

awesome ulli, just awesome.

[ulli]

Posted by jozam (here)
Hi Ulli is it ok to give you my date and time ..i was born 15/11/64 my mothers not sure of the time but guesses arond 2.30pm..thankyou

I'll put you on the list...maybe you'll be lucky.
But not only did you forget to give me the coordianbtes of your birth place, you didnt even mention the nearest city.
P.S. Bansky's art is quite important for collective change to come about, but useless for transforming the individual.

[Kamikaze]

Posted by ulli (here)
I just finished doing Kamikaze's chart and when I pressed the "send" button the whole page vanished...no idea how to get it back...
if I were a computer wiz I could probably do it...I just realized the Internet crashed briefly.

Mercury retrograde, opposite Neptune....no point forcing the issue with such stuff going on...also the kitten jumped on my back and clawed itself up my skin, drawing blood.
Now I want Kamikaze to change his name before I give it another try....sniff..

Ouch! Something really not working well there I see. I urge you not to force it if everything seems to tell not to do it. I would call that some strong hints to take attention too.
I appreciate the time you took to see if you could get a eye on what my charts read. Do hope the cat didn't cause too bad of a sting though.
I might pay too much attention too these little whispers at times but I believe there is always a reason for why or why not.
Maybe I'm not ready to hear a complete chart read yet?

Posted by ulli (here)
I'm going to try and reconstruct what I wrote about Kamikaze's chart...

Aries Ascendant, with Jupiter also in Aries, just above the Ascendant in the 12th house
Sun in Gemini in the 3rd, Mercury, Mars and the moon in Cancer in the 4th. That already gives a strong contradictive setting...where the need for homeliness and security clash with a strong drive for adventure.

I was thinking when I saw that, and later also when I saw Pluto on the Midheaven, the highest point of the chart and indicative of death and rebirth, how the name Kamikaze was so totally apt.
Because what more can one do to keep the collective safe than give one's own life?
It has to be a highly evolved soul that is willing to do that, never mind that they were probably brainwashed into doing it.
But in the case of this evolved Avalonian who may or may well be enlightened, a transcendence point has already been reached
and no longer is it necessary to be a martyr.
Instead teaching and guiding others to transform from their own brainwashed selves to their true selves is all that is required.

I do appreciate the extra effort you took with the reconstruct though.
But Sun in Gemini? I can't say that sounds correct.. I took up my date of birth in Stellarium and the sun is clearly in the middle of Taurus and Moon, Mars, Mercury in Gemini? Moon directly in the middle between the twins below their linked hands looking in the direction if their feet was the ground.

[ulli]

Posted by Kamikaze (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
I just finished doing Kamikaze's chart and when I pressed the "send" button the whole page vanished...no idea how to get it back...
if I were a computer wiz I could probably do it...I just realized the Internet crashed briefly.

Mercury retrograde, opposite Neptune....no point forcing the issue with such stuff going on...also the kitten jumped on my back and clawed itself up my skin, drawing blood.
Now I want Kamikaze to change his name before I give it another try....sniff..

Ouch! Something really not working well there I see. I urge you not to force it if everything seems to tell not to do it. I would call that some strong hints to take attention too.
I appreciate the time you took to see if you could get a eye on what my charts read. Do hope the cat didn't cause too bad of a sting though.
I might pay too much attention too these little whispers at times but I believe there is always a reason for why or why not.
Maybe I'm not ready to hear a complete chart read yet?

Posted by ulli (here)
I'm going to try and reconstruct what I wrote about Kamikaze's chart...

Aries Ascendant, with Jupiter also in Aries, just above the Ascendant in the 12th house
Sun in Gemini in the 3rd, Mercury, Mars and the moon in Cancer in the 4th. That already gives a strong contradictive setting...where the need for homeliness and security clash with a strong drive for adventure.

I was thinking when I saw that, and later also when I saw Pluto on the Midheaven, the highest point of the chart and indicative of death and rebirth, how the name Kamikaze was so totally apt.
Because what more can one do to keep the collective safe than give one's own life?
It has to be a highly evolved soul that is willing to do that, never mind that they were probably brainwashed into doing it.
But in the case of this evolved Avalonian who may or may well be enlightened, a transcendence point has already been reached
and no longer is it necessary to be a martyr.
Instead teaching and guiding others to transform from their own brainwashed selves to their true selves is all that is required.

I do appreciate the extra effort you took with the reconstruct though.
But Sun in Gemini? I can't say that sounds correct.. I took up my date of birth in Stellarium and the sun is clearly in the middle of Taurus and Moon, Mars, Mercury in Gemini? Moon directly in the middle between the twins below their linked hands looking in the direction if their feet was the ground.

The last day of May is Gemini according to my calculation. Sorry, Kamikaze, I did try.