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    Default Astronomers' Doubts About the Dark Side: Errors in Big Bang Data

    Astronomers' Doubts About the Dark Side: Errors in Big Bang Data
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    ScienceDaily (June 11, 2010) — New research by astronomers in the
    Physics Department at Durham University suggests that the conventional
    wisdom about the content of the Universe may be wrong.

    Graduate student Utane Sawangwit and Professor Tom Shanks looked at
    observations from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP)
    satellite to study the remnant heat from the Big Bang. The two
    scientists find evidence that the errors in its data may be much
    larger than previously thought, which in turn makes the standard model
    of the Universe open to question. The team publish their results in a
    letter to the journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical
    Society.

    Launched in 2001, WMAP measures differences in the Cosmic Microwave
    Background (CMB) radiation, the residual heat of the Big Bang that
    fills the Universe and appears over the whole of the sky. The angular
    size of the ripples in the CMB is thought to be connected to the
    composition of the Universe. The observations of WMAP showed that the
    ripples were about twice the size of the full Moon, or around a degree
    across.

    With these results, scientists concluded that the cosmos is made up of
    4% 'normal' matter, 22% 'dark' or invisible matter and 74% 'dark
    energy'. Debate about the exact nature of the 'dark side' of the
    Universe -- the dark matter and dark energy -- continues to this day.

    Sawangwit and Shanks used astronomical objects that appear as
    unresolved points in radio telescopes to test the way the WMAP
    telescope smoothes out its maps. They find that the smoothing is much
    larger than previously believed, suggesting that its measurement of
    the size of the CMBR ripples is not as accurate as was thought. If
    true this could mean that the ripples are significantly smaller, which
    could imply that dark matter and dark energy are not present after
    all.

    Prof. Shanks comments "CMB observations are a powerful tool for
    cosmology and it is vital to check for systematic effects. If our
    results prove correct then it will become less likely that dark energy
    and exotic dark matter particles dominate the Universe. So the
    evidence that the Universe has a 'Dark Side' will weaken!"

    In addition, Durham astronomers recently collaborated in an
    international team whose research suggested that the structure of the
    CMB may not provide the robust independent check on the presence of
    dark energy that it was thought to.

    If dark energy does exist, then it ultimately causes the expansion of
    the Universe to accelerate. On their journey from the CMB to the
    telescopes like WMAP, photons (the basic particles of electromagnetic
    radiation including light and radio waves) travel through giant
    superclusters of galaxies. Normally a CMB photon is first blueshifted
    (its peak shifts towards the blue end of the spectrum) when it enters
    the supercluster and then redshifted as it leaves, so that the two
    effects cancel. However, if the supercluster galaxies are accelerating
    away from each other because of dark energy, the cancellation is not
    exact, so photons stay slightly blueshifted after their passage.
    Slightly higher temperatures should appear in the CMB where the
    photons have passed through superclusters.

    However, the new results, based on the Sloan Digital Sky Survey which
    surveyed 1 million luminous red galaxies, suggest that no such effect
    is seen, again threatening the standard model of the Universe.

    Utane Sawangwit says, "If our result is repeated in new surveys of
    galaxies in the Southern Hemisphere then this could mean real problems
    for the existence of dark energy."

    If the Universe really has no 'dark side', it will come as a relief to
    some theoretical physicists. Having a model dependent on as yet
    undetected exotic particles that make up dark matter and the
    completely mysterious dark energy leaves many scientists feeling
    uncomfortable. It also throws up problems for the birth of stars in
    galaxies, with as much 'feedback' energy needed to prevent their
    creation as gravity provides to help them form.

    Prof. Shanks concludes "Odds are that the standard model with its
    enigmatic dark energy and dark matter will survive -- but more tests
    are needed. The European PLANCK satellite, currently out there
    collecting more CMB data will provide vital new information and help
    us answer these fundamental questions about the nature of the Universe
    we live in."

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    ScienceDaily staff) from materials provided by Royal Astronomical
    Society (RAS).

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    Default Re: Astronomers' Doubts About the Dark Side: Errors in Big Bang Data

    All the big names in physics has staked their careers on the big bang theory.

    The universe is fractal, geometric and based on pi and phi ratios.

    I believe the universe is an advanced computer simulation and we are all just self aware avatars living in Sim-city 12.0 ( The planet earth series )

    God may just be some geek pecking away at his keyboard and adding oil spills,wars and global warming to the mix for sh-ts and giggles

    Morgan Freeman just came out with a new show called "Through the wormhole" and in it they make a good case for a computer generated simulated universe.

    I did a post about one of the guys in the film here : https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-of-everything





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    Is There a Creator?

    It's perhaps the biggest, most controversial mystery in the cosmos. Did our Universe just come into being by random chance, or was it created by a God who nurtures and sustains all life? The latest science is showing that the four forces governing our universe are phenomenally finely tuned. So finely that it had led many to the conclusion that someone, or something, must have calibrated them; a belief further backed up by evidence that everything in our universe may emanate from one extraordinarily elegant and beautiful design known as the E8 Lie Group. While skeptics hold that these findings are neither conclusive nor evidence of a divine creator, some cutting edge physicists are already positing who this God is: an alien gamester who's created our world as the ultimate SIM game for his own amusement. It's an answer as compelling as it is disconcerting.

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    Is god ready to hit the reset button on us?

    "How would we know"

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    Default Re: Astronomers' Doubts About the Dark Side: Errors in Big Bang Data

    "...was it created by a God who nurtures and sustains all life?" If this is true, when does the nurturing start? All I see is centuries of misery for most people on Earth.

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    Quote Posted by conk (here)
    "...was it created by a God who nurtures and sustains all life?" If this is true, when does the nurturing start? All I see is centuries of misery for most people on Earth.



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    I tend to favor Robert Anton Wilson's point of view

    "The world is full of sh-t and we will never figure it out"



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    This is the editors note in Atlantis Rising Magazine #79

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    Default Re: Astronomers' Doubts About the Dark Side: Errors in Big Bang Data

    Thanks Grizzom! I agree strongly with the last paragraph!
    "Vision without action is merely a dream.
    Action without vision just passes the time.
    Vision with action can change the world." Joel Arthur Barker

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