Why shouldn’t we drink raw milk?

[ktlight]

FYI:

Those of us who choose to drink ''raw’’ milk are a tiny minority – barely more than 100,000 – so why is time and money being wasted trying to stop us?
The latest attempt is launched by Dairy UK, the association representing the producers and processors of 85 per cent of the milk sold in Britain. Dairy UK has demanded that the Food Standards Agency (FSA) ban the sale of unpasteurised milk, citing food safety and the “safe image of dairy products”.
This is baffling. If there were widespread and regular food poisoning outbreaks linked directly to drinking raw milk, then the industry as a whole would undoubtedly suffer, and the eccentrics who insist on milk au naturel ought, probably, to be saved from themselves.
But according to FSA figures, not one outbreak has been reported since 2002. Before that, the FSA says, illness due to unpasteurised milk accounted for a ''small proportion’’ of the total number of food-borne outbreaks between 1992 and 2002. I think we can say that raw milk has become a safer, not riskier, product over the intervening years.
I prefer to drink raw milk because I believe it to be more wholesome than standardised, homogenised, pasteurised milk. It can only be obtained direct from one of the 104 farms in England and Wales that are licensed to sell it. Each farm is regularly inspected, at the farmer’s expense, by both local and national authorities. Cattle are rigorously checked for disease, including TB. I would argue that dedicated raw milk producers pay more attention to hygiene than those who rely on the safety net of pasteurisation.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddr...-raw-milk.html

[phillipbbg]

If you talk to your grand parents they will tell you that they used to get there milk direct from farmers and they used to always put the milk on the stove and bring it to the boil themselves and then let it cool so it would KEEP longer.... no big deal and easy to do....

So the question is WHY DON THEY WANT TO DO IT FOR YOU? What else are they doing to the milk that is so important? and Homogenising is just putting the milk through a very fine strainer or sieve again no big deal all you do is run the heater milk through muslin fabric....

Its all about CONTROL and ADDITIVES...

[Tigressa]

Excuse me phillip, what additives?

[Carmen]

Raw milk is a healthy food. No need to boil it! Boiling it destroys all its health properties. If it comes from healthy cows and is handled cleanly there is no problem. We've used raw milk from our own cows for years. We also supply friends and neighbours with raw milk. They are required to bring their own containers, thats all.

Homogenising milk is not by putting it through a fine filter!! Its a much more invasive process than that and completely alters the milk' The fat is forced through the milk so it remains suspended in it and does not separate out. Im no scientist but that is how I understand it.

Raw milk is a health food, thats why they want to do away with it!

[phillipbbg]

Posted by Tigressa (here)
Excuse me phillip, what additives?

That is the question you should be asking them....not me. And then ask what additives the cows have been given over their lives, and how they have been bread.... See if your labels state "Packaged with vitamins and minerals" see if there may be traces of NUTS, this means the equipment is used for different purposes.....WHY?

If you find there are no additives....GREAT... then its only about market control and producer control by the large supermarket chains.....

My Milk packaging contradicts itself by saying " without additives or preservatives" then if you look a little further around the packaging we come across "Packaged with vitamins and minerals"

Another interesting question to think about is How can Long Life Milk be sold cheaper per ltr than fresh milk?? It requires far more processing than fresh milk.....why is this so? At least in the UK this is the case....

Am not meaning to sound aggressive but I know dairy farmers personally who have gone to the wall ... I fully agree with buying fresh local milk from a reliable source... and yes my description of homogenisation was poor but to explain breaking up of fat molecules under pressure so that they stay in suspension seemed a little over the top. In the old days they used very fine materials that the milk was forced under pressure to gain the same result... Have never understood what was wrong with the cream rising to the top, but thats me.

[Providence]

Raw milk back in my grandparent's day (1920's) was not as safe as it is today. Sanitation was not considered a high priority and until someone finally put the pieces together and realized that it was the way the milk was handled that made people sick not the milk itself, raw milk got a bad wrap and thus a bad reputation. Today the farmers that I get raw milk from have incredibly high sanitation standards, and they treat their cows like members of the family. I began drinking raw milk back in the 70's, and after a long dry spell of not being able to find it, I am back on raw milk and I love it.
It is very healthy, and among other benefits, it is a great way to protect your thyroid from exposure to radiation. If you can find a source locally, try it out, I can guarantee you that you won't miss the processed, pasteurized, white, chemically laden, nutritionally inert liquid that you buy in the stores that claims to be milk.
B-)

[Alan]

Posted by Providence (here)
Raw milk back in my grandparent's day (1920's) was not as safe as it is today. Sanitation was not considered a high priority and until someone finally put the pieces together and realized that it was the way the milk was handled that made people sick not the milk itself, raw milk got a bad wrap and thus a bad reputation.

You should read the book "The Untold Story of Milk". People safely drank raw milk for 1000's of years. About 100 years ago the practice of factory farming began, which included feeding cows the cheapest, unhealthiest feed they could find, and there were very unsanitary conditions at these farms. Kids starting dying from drinking milk. Instead of going back to traditional methods of raising cows and delivering milk, and in turn making less money, pasteurization was introduced as a way to preserve profits, NOT as a way to make a safer, more healthy product.

[Providence]

Posted by alamojo (here)

Posted by Providence (here)
Raw milk back in my grandparent's day (1920's) was not as safe as it is today. Sanitation was not considered a high priority and until someone finally put the pieces together and realized that it was the way the milk was handled that made people sick not the milk itself, raw milk got a bad wrap and thus a bad reputation.

You should read the book "The Untold Story of Milk". People safely drank raw milk for 1000's of years. About 100 years ago the practice of factory farming began, which included feeding cows the cheapest, unhealthiest feed they could find, and there were very unsanitary conditions at these farms. Kids starting dying from drinking milk. Instead of going back to traditional methods of raising cows and delivering milk, and in turn making less money, pasteurization was introduced as a way to preserve profits, NOT as a way to make a safer, more healthy product.

Thanks for the book reference, and I didn't mean to short the full story of raw milk, I was just relating to what was already posted. You are exactly right, profits are the basis for their actions, whether it's to over process wholesome food products, or raids on food clubs that distribute the raw milk.

[Siberia9]

Consider that the bacteria in your gut affects your brain, same as if you drink alcohol. The whole germ theory that has been taught to you is a lie and is designed to control you and what goes into your body. You are afraid of germs and that is of great use to the ones that enslave you. You have salmonella in your gut right now for example, and you need it along with all the other bacteria that is there. Eating raw any part of an animal that is truly organic will give your gut the bacteria it needs as has been the case for thousands of years with humans. Antibiotics and vaccines will mutate these healthy helpers into something that your system can not work with as well, resulting in illness. This is one reason why those on raw diets tend to feel healthier. Even the FDA has admitted that the Primal Diet(a raw dairy and meat diet) has a 95% cure rate for cancer for example. The ones that rule over us are preoccupied with altering our brains and thought processes in every way possible and diet is but one. If you dig enough you will find that many vaccines affect and live in the gut of the human and cause illness. Autistics for example will loose many symptoms by altering their diets, because their now damage brains are strongly affected by the gut. The more they do the better they will respond, not eating grains, eating raw milk, raw unsalted cheese and cream, regularly eating small portions of raw unwashed intestines of healthy organic animals will replace what has been damaged over time and thus affecting the brain in a positive way. But you don't have to be Autistic to reap the benefits of a raw diet, in whatever form fits you best. So they must stop you from knowing the truth if they can, and then they must stop you from obtaining raw organic foods required less you not be a good slave, and have a clear mind and healthy body that vibrates at a high level. NO that will not do and they will use any and all dirty tricks to get you to go along with the program, I have been expecting them to poison the raw milk products with some sort of bacteria and blame it for some sort of outbreak for some time now. If they start to loose the fight against it that will be how they win that battle and make it illegal once on for all in my opinion.

[DeDukshyn]

It's all about food, its all about what codex alimentarius was designed for, it's about total control of the food industry and about ensuring food isn't being made available that gov't organizations don't know about. Most raw milk is "outside the system" - they want absolutely nothing outside the system. When you control every aspect of food production, you have leverage; weak, starving people cannot fight ... sorry to say it. Everyone start collecting organic seeds, please.
EDIT: I have drank plenty of raw milk in my life - most notably when I was younger. It is absolutely fabulous and tastes 1000X better than anything you can get at the store. That said, drinking anothers animal's milk is a bit weird ...

[Carmen]

I feel very sorry for people who have no access to raw healthy milk and other natural products. My husbands trip to America a few years back totally turned him round as far as his dairy farming was concerned. He was alarmed at the state of the dairy industry in America. Factory farmed cows, full of antibiotics. Huge animals that could barely walk who stood or lay in a small space 24/7. They were old at aged three because they could not breed past that age. They never saw the sun, green grass or a bull!! Not that many dairy cows in NZ see a bull either, they are mostly artificially inseminated!

The cows in New Zealand are grass fed, outside all year and are therefore fit and healthy. Some are heading toward what is done in America but very few. Our butter here is yellow. Butter in America is white because of lack of green grass! My husbands ideal now is small herds, milked once a day, hence happy cows, non stressed farmers and better product as well as excellent profit. Our farmers own the industry so they are not at the mercy of the middle men. Our system of share-milking in NZ has enabled many keen young people to own their own farms in quite a short time. In our own situation six of our sharemilking couples have gone on to ownership of their own land and cows. Its a marvellous example of co-operation over competition.

[Dawn]

I have very sensitive digestion. I am extremely healthy, it's just that my body is very clear in communicating to me what food is life enhancing, and what food is not. Raw milk is an absolute YES as far as this wise body is concerned. One was to test for ANY food for your body is to dowse your food items. For example... fresh raw milk will cause a pendulum held over it to spin in a clockwise (pro-health) direction. Pasteurized milk, or old raw milk, will cause an anti-clockwise spin (anti-life) of a pendulum.

You can also begin a dialog with your body regarding food.. and you can use it when purchasing food in a store or before eating. Simply stand straight with your ankles together and hold the potential food in front of your solar plexus or stomach. Ask your body if it would like to ingest the food... if the food is appropriate your body will lean towards it. If the food is not desirable the body will lean away. Sometimes the body will begin to rock or sway, this is usually an indication that the body simply wishes to 'ingest' the food (absorb the frequencies without eating it). In this case you can hold the food near the body and wait for the body to tell you it is done by becoming still or leaning away.

It took me a couple of weeks of intensely listening to my body to get this communication between us absolutely clear. It is worth the effort because being friends with your body can have wonderful results. It is your sense organ in this world and without it your life here wouldn't be any fun. Well worth becoming friends with it and beginning to establish a relationship of mutual respect.

[ktlight]

Posted by The Abundant Traveler (here)
I have very sensitive digestion. I am extremely healthy, it's just that my body is very clear in communicating to me what food is life enhancing, and what food is not. Raw milk is an absolute YES as far as this wise body is concerned. One was to test for ANY food for your body is to dowse your food items. For example... fresh raw milk will cause a pendulum held over it to spin in a clockwise (pro-health) direction. Pasteurized milk, or old raw milk, will cause an anti-clockwise spin (anti-life) of a pendulum.

You can also begin a dialog with your body regarding food.. and you can use it when purchasing food in a store or before eating. Simply stand straight with your ankles together and hold the potential food in front of your solar plexus or stomach. Ask your body if it would like to ingest the food... if the food is appropriate your body will lean towards it. If the food is not desirable the body will lean away. Sometimes the body will begin to rock or sway, this is usually an indication that the body simply wishes to 'ingest' the food (absorb the frequencies without eating it). In this case you can hold the food near the body and wait for the body to tell you it is done by becoming still or leaning away.

It took me a couple of weeks of intensely listening to my body to get this communication between us absolutely clear. It is worth the effort because being friends with your body can have wonderful results. It is your sense organ in this world and without it your life here wouldn't be any fun. Well worth becoming friends with it and beginning to establish a relationship of mutual respect.

That's interesting!

[Carmen]

Yes, Abundant Traveler, very good advice. I am also experiencing my body's food preferences and going against causes adverse conditions. I was intrigued several years ago by a couple of nuns living in our area. I met them through Toastmasters, and they told me of dousing to see if butter or margarine was a yes or no. Butter was definitely, yes and margarine negative. Actually nature tells us about margarine. Stick a pottle of margarine outside for anything to eat and it goes untouched. Its a complete non-food and if you ever saw or heard how it is produced you wouldn't touch the stuff!!

[Jeremy]

I personally feel one doesn't need cow's milk anymore than they don't need giraffe's, hippo's, sheep's milk and so forth. It really isn't necessary for health, but could be if one was not consuming an adequate diet from plant sources.

[PixieDust]

When i was about 6 we lived on a goat farm and drank raw goats milk for several years. When circumstances changed and we had to move off the farm my sister and I wouldn't drink store bought cows milk because we could taste the chemicals in it. My sister (older) more so than I. Also with store bought eggs. My sister wont eat them cause they make her sick but farm fresh wont. I've gone back and forth my whole life when i have the opportunity to drink raw cows or goats milk i choose it over store bought always. Its much tastier and creamier, even after scraping the cream off the top.

a couple years ago we were even churning our own butter from our cows milk and the first time we made it and were eating it with mashed potatoes i made the comment it was like eating potatoe ice cream because it was so delicious.

I currently dont have access to raw milk but i buget so i can afford at least organic store bought though im not sure if its much better. Buying 5 dollar half gallons is worth the possibility of it being a tiny bit better then the full on chemical induced and highly pasturized 5 dollar gallons.

Also lactose intolerant people can usually handle raw goats milk just fine. I tested it with my friend and she didnt have any problems digesting it. She wasnt too sure about drinking goats milk cause she thought the idea was gross but i got her to drink about half a cup and she was fine.

As long as the animal is treated right and the milk collected cleanly and correctly there shouldn't be any problems drinking raw milk with a ton of pluses. If buying from a local farmer always check out the milking room and make sure its clean and ask about how they do it, what they feed the animals and how they're cared for ect.

I think, in this day and age, if the government is trying to make something illegal that appears healthy (herbs milk ect) then its more proof that its better for you. If they can't make money off of it or control it then they're going to try and ban it.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Wow. I sure love all the sharing of information and experience in this thread! It's fabulous! Carmen, I wish I lived near you! The clearest thing here is that we need new governance methods by taking back full control at a local level in the future. Imagine how many years, they've been adding poisons into our food and every other thing to which has turned into huge cancer and health system to rake in money off people's absolute misery and pain.

And if they didn't manage to kill or make you ill, and you get something home that isn't tainted, you put it into the microwave and kill every last vitamin that was left. Then, you could look outside and see chemtrail planes spraying the air. What is up with this? When will we have had enough? What say you? Thank goodness we are almost completely out of duality and 3D constructs. Be well. xoxoxox

[Jeremy]

The milk most people buy and consume comes from places like this: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6RNFFRGz1Qs

[Carmen]

I've been having great fun this morning testing foods with my body, Abundant Traveller. Fascinating! Its works very well. Some foods I knew about but some favourites were a nono. Very Cool.

Calcium is king as far as the minerals go, and raw milk is a great source. AT food testing advice is a great way to test for what your body wants and needs.

The book 'Nourishing Traditions' by Sally Fallon is one I would recommend to people. It is in line with the dietary discoveries of Dr Weston Price who travelled the world to study the diets of populations untouched by civilization, living entirely on local foods.

Quote from the book:- " Almost without exception, the groups he studied ate liberally of seafood or other animal proteins and fats in the form of organ meats and dairy products; they valued animal fats as absolutely necessary to good health;and they ate fats, meats, fruits, vegetables, legumes, nuts, seeds and whole grains in their natural unrefined state. A high proportion of these primitive diets consisted of raw foods, of both animal and vegetable origin.
In all of these groups--from isolated Irish and Swiss, from Eskimos to Africans---Dr. Price observed superb health in almost every member of the tribe or village. They were free of chronic disease, dental decay and mental illness; they were strong, sturdy and attractive; and they produced healthy children with ease, generation after generation."

[TWINCANS]

Due to hubby's illness, I got involved in a multilevel marketing health food product called Immunocal. (Still support it actually but this isn't a sales pitch) It's made solely from milk, but not milk pasteurized at the high levels used normally today - for a very specific reason. While low levels that were originally used in the dairy industry are quite effective at killing TB pathogens, once you increase the temperatures just a few degrees, milk's ability to benefit health is destroyed. That's why normal whey proteins just bulk someone up.

When the chemical reaction at the basis of the product was originally discovered in the lab, the researcher was able to replicate results all the time. Then he suddenly couldn't. He didn't know why. Then he noticed a TV news report that pasteurization temperature levels had been mandated higher in the country that he was sourcing the milk used in his lab. He phoned and sure enough it was. He then sourced milk pasteurized at the (then) traditional temperatures and bingo he could effect the cellular change once again. Temperature was everything.


Here's some background:
At the beginning of the 70’s, under the direction of Gustavo Bounous, MD, (FRCSC), a team of researchers from the Faculty of Medicine at McGill University (Canada), was studying proteins of animal and vegetable origins in order to feed the patients with an elemental diet that would allow them to reduce their stay in hospital. Since 1978, their studies had been focusing on whey proteins. This work led to the surprising discovery that a specific undenatured whey protein concentrate helped to sustain optimal glutathione levels, high immunological reactivity and anticarcinogenic activity. Subsequent identification of the active ingredients present in this protein mixture led in 1993 to the production of a high-quality bioactive protein that was given the name Immunocal. This research was supported by the Medical Research Council of Canada and the National Institutes of Health in the United States. The observed effects of Immunocal which have been discovered at McGill University have been validated by numerous independent research centers worldwide, notable in Germany, Japan, Australia, France, United States and in Nova Scotia (Canada).'

So as I was led to belive by this researcher who spoke to me personally, it's not the heating of raw milk that severely damages it's ability to stimulate intracellular glutathione production. It's too high a temperature. Nowadays all store bought milk is dead because the pasteurization temperature is are too high - a result of the unhealthy state of our dairy industry.

But of course, with that unhealthy state we can't just go to any farm and buy raw milk. Too dangerous. It has to be a properly managed herd. I'm familiar with a bio-dynamic farmer near us whose milk is totally trustworthy and VERY healthy because he does everything right.

Guess who was the subject of a mulit-agancy witchhunt last year (but won!)? Michael Schmidt from Durham, Ontario, that's him.