Arthurian Dynasty-In Search of the Prince of Wales (Cymry)

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Anno (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Anno (here)
Is there an official term for when you post on a thread so you remember to read it tomorrow as you're about to go to bed? Whatever it's called, that's what this post is. =]

Placeholder?

That doesn't really sound 'internet' enough does it. There should be a cool sounding word for it.

I know!
How about nugget?
That is a cool word.

[Lettherebelight]

Cream-cracker crumbs left on the path through the woods?

[Anno]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I know!
How about nugget?
That is a cool word.

It is, but what if the thread turns out to be rubbish? Twould only be a pseudonugget then.

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
Cream-cracker crumbs left on the path through the woods?

I really like that, but I can see someone saying it's racist. You know what they're like on the internet.

[Carmen]

Interesting thread, my background is Welsh and Irish (maiden name Wyeth) and I have a Welch Cob Stallion called Gwladys LOL Does that count?

[Anno]

Ok I've read up. I think that the race we call the Celts could be the people who lived on Antarctica before it iced over and are the ones who made all those ancient maps. There's a link between them and what we call Scandinavian or Nordic but I don't know what it is yet. Something like Cousins I think.
I'm liking the crust displacement theory which would put Antarctica further north around where south america is today. Before that I'm thinking they came from Mars or the planet that was destroyed and created that asteroid belt thing we have between us and the outer planets.

As for the Arthur claimant, I lol'd. I get to choose who that is because I'm the Ouzel of Cilgwri aka Myrddin. That's Merlin to you anglotypes.

A few things I'd like to add...

Don't forget the Guanches of the Canaries while you're talking about Spain and Portugal. Pronounced wan-cheese not gorn-chez.

I also consider Wirral, Lancashire and Cumbria as Celtic. Not just Wales/Ireland/Scotland/Cornwall. They're more watered down but still very different from the 'other side' of the pennines. The Vikings who settled Iceland are the same ones (I think) that settled on The Wirral under Ingmund. Ing/Yng/Ynglings. Twas 200 years before the Edda was written down in Iceland.

That is all for now, I should be asleep.

[Lettherebelight]

Thanks for this info, Anno. I'm sure you're right about the Wirral and northwest England having a strong Celtic heritage. There's something quite sparkly about the folks from that region too (Liverpool, Manchester etc)...very funny people.

[Anno]

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
Thanks for this info, Anno. I'm sure you're right about the Wirral and northwest England having a strong Celtic heritage. There's something quite sparkly about the folks from that region too (Liverpool, Manchester etc)...very funny people.

The first thing that made me think it is the accents. If you travel from Wales to Scotland along the west coast you hear the accents blending in to each other like they all originally came from one. That and the abundance of ginger people and celtic crosses. Then you have the anti-scouse type propoganda. Once I started trying to look in to the history it looked like the Brigantes and Cornovii were basically pushed over the Pennines as the Danelaw spread over the east and south.

Did you know that the oldest swastika in Europe is in West Yorkshire right by the only known Cornovii grave? In Ilkley where the four moors meet there is an abundance of marked stones and at least two known stone circles. Apparently from the Pennines to the Humber estuary was a sacred Celtic forest called Elmet. Ted Hughes wrote a book of poems based on it but it's like £600 on Amazon. Typical. Official history says it was Brigantes, so why is there a very elaborate Cornovii grave? Menwith Hill can be seen from the moor as it's just a little to the north in Harrogate.

Around 1100AD the Templars and Cistercians turned up and founded Kirkstall Abbey and Temple Newsham in what was then Loidis, now Leeds. The main Christian church site 'officially' dates back to 700AD.
Now the symbol of Leeds is the Owl and the city centre is packed with symbolism. Pretty much every building from around the 1800's has a flaming torch on it and there are obelisks, pyramids and domes sometimes in plain sight and sometimes hidden.
My favourite one is on the Queen's Hotel that is on top of the train station. Outside there is a statue of the 'Black Prince'. He's pointing in one direction but if you follow his eyes he's looking at a small obelisk that's tucked away on the front of the Hotel on what looks like a little balcony. If you didn't look for it you'd not see it.

My second favourite is a bit f****ed up. Opposite where the gay bars are, half way up a building is the grim reaper complete with scythe and underneath the words Tempus Fugit. I laughed when I spotted that one.

Each time I visit I get the feeling that there is ancient energy there and it is being deliberately polluted now. Most of the people in Leeds are transients, ie; students and immigrants. The ancient forest is now ofcourse gone. There's one tiny part left in Middleton but it is surrounded by a council estate. I think the only thing that saved it is that the last surviving section of an historical railway runs through it.

It's the best example I've seen of an ancient sacred site being taken over, desecrated and then pumped with negative energy by the 'illumined ones'.

[Lochinvar]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
I finally found good info on the Picts...

It is in the sculptured stones of Scotland, left behind by the Pictish and proto-Pictish people of ancient Alba and present day Scotland that we can find some information about a mighty race of people who defied and defeated Rome and who slaughtered the invincible barbarian hordes of Angles Germans at Nechtansmere in Angus, and hammered the invading Vikings back home thus forever preserving a separate culture and race in Scotland. It is in these sometimes mighty, sometimes delicate stones that the history of ancient Scotland is now recorded. Were they descendants of the ancient Basque people of northern Spain once known to Rome as Pictones, who then migrated to northern Britain after they had helped the Empire defeat the seagoing people of Biscay? Or are they descendants of the dark tribes of ancient Stygia and the huge Eastern steepes? No one knows - only the Stones...great info on Picts

Templar cross on an ancient stone?



The greatest fighters of the age, suddenly disappear at the time of the first viking voyage to America 900-1000?

The first highlighted bit suggests that Alba no longer exists. That is not the case. It does.

The second highlighted bit I don't believe. Repelled the Romans yes; defeated Rome? No.

Third highlighted bit. Britain didn't exist then. Mainstream media is currently trying to re-write history and pretend that Britain as an entity has existed for thousands of years. No. Since 1707.

Fourth highlight. Did the indigenous people tell the author that?

Peace, love and light.

[Lochinvar]

Shwmae Bryn

I think there are some on this board that don't know (or don't care) about the difference between England and Britain (and with the media trying to re-write history it is difficult to blame them) so I wish you well in your quest to present properly a more detailed account of the history of Wales.

Cymru am byth.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Posted by Lochinvar (here)
Shwmae Bryn

I think there are some on this board that don't know (or don't care) about the difference between England and Britain (and with the media trying to re-write history it is difficult to blame them) so I wish you well in your quest to present properly a more detailed account of the history of Wales.

Cymru am byth.

Shwmae, sut dych chi?

I think it s a case that they don't care & don't want to know for their whole belief structure comes tumbling down. Their xenophobia upbringing is proof in itself as they launch into defence mode.
*One of the main reasons why I stay quiet now regarding many subjects*
Quite ironic really, seeing that they scream that they are now "awake" & want to know the truth.

"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses
over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic." -- Dresden James

yr Alban am byth

[JohannaStarr]

I'm not English I'm infinite conciousness :D

[seko]

Posted by Bryn ap Gwilym (here)

Posted by Lochinvar (here)
Shwmae Bryn

I think there are some on this board that don't know (or don't care) about the difference between England and Britain (and with the media trying to re-write history it is difficult to blame them) so I wish you well in your quest to present properly a more detailed account of the history of Wales.

Cymru am byth.

Shwmae, sut dych chi?

I think it s a case that they don't care & don't want to know for their whole belief structure comes tumbling down. Their xenophobia upbringing is proof in itself as they launch into defence mode.
*One of the main reasons why I stay quiet now regarding many subjects*
Quite ironic really, seeing that they scream that they are now "awake" & want to know the truth.

"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses
over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic." -- Dresden James

yr Alban am byth

Shwmae bryn

sut dych chi?? (learning a the basics hihi)

I would like to learn more about welsh history, can you share it with us?? or guide us through links??

Diolch

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Seko. Iawn diolch a chi?

There is a crash course disguised in children's tales called the The Mabinogion.
Its an easy to follow version of history that will give you a good foundation for when & if you want to delve deeper.
The reason why its disguised as children's tales was to protect it from the book burners, but there is a catch.
The translation into English at the time was only permitted [sic] if Lady Charlotte Guest was at the wheel.
Her version is heavily anglicised & certain things have been altered in favour of her establishment at the time, but its close enough to get the jist.

The Mabinogion

[seko]

Posted by Bryn ap Gwilym (here)
Seko. Iawn diolch a chi?

There is a crash course disguised in children's tales called the The Mabinogion.
Its an easy to follow version of history that will give you a good foundation for when & if you want to delve deeper.
The reason why its disguised as children's tales was to protect it from the book burners, but there is a catch.
The translation into English at the time was only permitted [sic] if Lady Charlotte Guest was at the wheel.
Her version is heavily anglicised & certain things have been altered in favour of her establishment at the time, but its close enough to get the jist.

The Mabinogion

Bryn, Da iawn diolch.

Thank you for the link. I found this link to get some basic words in Welsh.

http://www.omniglot.com/language/phrases/welsh.php

[Anno]

I picked up a copy of Y Geiriadur Mawr to help look deeper in to names. Looking at roots etc.

Bryn, do you happen to know anything about Winifrede's Well? From what I can tell there were two going back a long time. The Jesuits have Bruno/Buenos well and keep it pretty quiet and over the way you have Winifrede's with the Catholics camped out and people like the KOC going there.

They clearly took over pre-existing holy sites (I don't remember the original names) but why would they keep the Bruno/Beuno well hidden away with the Jesuits while the other one is publicly advertised as 'The Lourdes of Wales'?

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Posted by Anno (here)
I picked up a copy of Y Geiriadur Mawr to help look deeper in to names. Looking at roots etc.

Bryn, do you happen to know anything about Winifrede's Well? From what I can tell there were two going back a long time. The Jesuits have Bruno/Buenos well and keep it pretty quiet and over the way you have Winifrede's with the Catholics camped out and people like the KOC going there.

They clearly took over pre-existing holy sites (I don't remember the original names) but why would they keep the Bruno/Beuno well hidden away with the Jesuits while the other one is publicly advertised as 'The Lourdes of Wales'?

Hi
I'm afraid not, but I have just asked folk who should know. Its now up to them if they are willing to tell me or not, especially via electronic devices.
I'll let you know either way as soon as I know.

[Anno]

Posted by Bryn ap Gwilym (here)

Posted by Anno (here)
I picked up a copy of Y Geiriadur Mawr to help look deeper in to names. Looking at roots etc.

Bryn, do you happen to know anything about Winifrede's Well? From what I can tell there were two going back a long time. The Jesuits have Bruno/Buenos well and keep it pretty quiet and over the way you have Winifrede's with the Catholics camped out and people like the KOC going there.

They clearly took over pre-existing holy sites (I don't remember the original names) but why would they keep the Bruno/Beuno well hidden away with the Jesuits while the other one is publicly advertised as 'The Lourdes of Wales'?

Hi
I'm afraid not, but I have just asked folk who should know. Its now up to them if they are willing to tell me or not, especially via electronic devices.
I'll let you know either way as soon as I know.

Thanks Bryn! I appreciate it. I've spent a lot of time around Halkyn Mountain and I feel that an important part of the puzzle is hiding up there.

[Lettherebelight]

Thanks, Bryn, for bringing up the Mabinogian, which contains many histories of Arthur and his wife, Gwenhwyfar, as well as other 'kings of the island of Britain. I have Sioned Davies' translation, I would be interested to know what you think of this version? I must admit, I found it fascinating.



http://www.literaturewales.org/write...davies-sioned/

[Lochinvar]

Posted by Anno (here)
Ok I've read up. I think that the race we call the Celts could be the people who lived on Antarctica before it iced over and are the ones who made all those ancient maps. There's a link between them and what we call Scandinavian or Nordic but I don't know what it is yet. Something like Cousins I think.
I'm liking the crust displacement theory which would put Antarctica further north around where south america is today. Before that I'm thinking they came from Mars or the planet that was destroyed and created that asteroid belt thing we have between us and the outer planets.

As for the Arthur claimant, I lol'd. I get to choose who that is because I'm the Ouzel of Cilgwri aka Myrddin. That's Merlin to you anglotypes.

A few things I'd like to add...

Don't forget the Guanches of the Canaries while you're talking about Spain and Portugal. Pronounced wan-cheese not gorn-chez.

I also consider Wirral, Lancashire and Cumbria as Celtic. Not just Wales/Ireland/Scotland/Cornwall. They're more watered down but still very different from the 'other side' of the pennines. The Vikings who settled Iceland are the same ones (I think) that settled on The Wirral under Ingmund. Ing/Yng/Ynglings. Twas 200 years before the Edda was written down in Iceland.

That is all for now, I should be asleep.

Where did you hear this? It may help with your research to know that the land that most people now know as Scotland (most of it) used to be in the southern hemisphere.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Lettherebelight Hi

Yep, that's a better version again.
Its also wise to know the abc with that version. Hence the correct spelling of Avalon is really Afalon (pronounced the same). Knowing the abc makes the pronunciation & reading much easier & more enjoyable?