Ron Paul (2010-2011)

[risveglio]

I don't see this Target. The message he speaks is one we have not seen or heard in generations. If he is just controlled opposition, then I don't get it because if his message wins out, they lose. Even if he does what BO did and go back on every promise. It is the message that matters, not the man.

[kathymarie]

...oh, TargeT...I hope you're wrong about this. Although every time I've voted in the last couple of decades I feel like I'm always weighing between the lesser of two evils. Again, I hope you're wrong about Ron Paul...but I wouldn't be surprised if you're right on the money. It stands to reason in this controlled world, that we'd be given someone saying the things we want to hear....

[robinr1]

have u ever examined his 30 plus year voting record? u claim hes controlled oposition and working for the dark side....but u offer zero proof and zero tangible evidence.


horribly misleading and untrue post imo

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
It doesn't get any better than this, Risveglio! I'd say Americans ARE waking up!

waking up to what though?

Controlled opisition?

I was die hard RP supporter back in 2008, but then I did a little deeper looking....

Now I've completely given up on the political scene, Ron Paul is (IMO) controlled oposition, he is the gate keeper to 9/11 truth & he is holding the gate firmly shut... he is the steam release valve that is needed in a society of dichotomy where one side is too heavily represented, or rather, the mask of the "two sides" that we have to pick from is slipping, so now we get RP..

Same thing happened in england back when they went to a 3 party system & look where they are now.

Plus he fits the mold (background wise)... am I wrong, check into it and see for yourself.

[TargeT]

Posted by robinr1 (here)
have u ever examined his 30 plus year voting record? u claim hes controlled oposition and working for the dark side....but u offer zero proof and zero tangible evidence.


horribly misleading and untrue post imo

with information like this nothing I said would convince you, you need to look into this for yourself or ignore it. either is fine with me.

I'm fairly certained I stated this is IMO (In My Opinion).

I have closely tracked his 30 year record & feel that it only lends more strength to my opinion, I was a RP fanatic from 2006-2009. Joined the meet up groups, campaigned for him (yeah I acctually commited MY TIME to this, which bespeaks my level of supportiveness & how strongly I felt on the topic) I voted for him, I pushed him as hard as was allowed, I had the stickers, the yard signs & a completely different mentality than I have now.

If nothing else you should be aware that thoughts such as mine exsist.

Posted by kathymarie (here)
...oh, TargeT...I hope you're wrong about this. Although every time I've voted in the last couple of decades I feel like I'm always weighing between the lesser of two evils. Again, I hope you're wrong about Ron Paul...but I wouldn't be surprised if you're right on the money. It stands to reason in this controlled world, that we'd be given someone saying the things we want to hear....

Nothing makes me sadder, honestly; I do not revel in this information. RP is/was everything I though this country needed.

but in studying universal duality patterns start to imerge it took me a long time to get here & I would NOT have been receptive to this message back in my supportive days (infact I remember some whisperings that he was a masonic patsy & I thought "Impossible!" and never gave it another thought... )


check out the video "Athene's Theory of Everything" on youtube; this describes why idea's that are very contrary to ones you currently hold will be (sometimes violently) opposed due to the basic wiring of our brain.

This is the reason I won't get into "proving" this idea, you either are receptive and find it for your self or you'll go into instinctive defense mode & not be receptive to new ideas.

[risveglio]

Please enlighten us TargeT. I don't see any problems with his record.

[TargeT]

Posted by jackovesk (here)
WTF?..... What a Comment..! Perhaps this is more to your liking TargeT..?

[Mod-edit: flashing image of former Alaska governor Sarah Palin removed - too dang annoying. -Paul.]

I live in Wasilla & know that woman; she is a cheerleader that never grew up, I aplaud her leverage of the "celebrity" fascination that this sad nation is so obsessed with; but in no way support her as someone that should be in charge of more than a ketchup packet (and even then I'd have someone watch her).


I edited my post above, please read for answers to the questions that followed it.


You'll not find me giving much thought to politics; untill I see some evidence that it's not just a distraction I will not spend my mental efforts on that game.

I'm "opting out".

Posted by risveglio (here)
Please enlighten us TargeT. I don't see any problems with his record.

The true problem isn't (just) in the object your measuring, its the stick you are measuring with that is flawed.. (no judgement or negativeity in any of my comments, I wish I had this info back in 2006, though I do not doubt I would have laughed at me back then; reguardless I feel compeled to share what I have gained, if it resonates go with it, if not then I'm just some random internet voice, easily ignored).

[robinr1]

u state u are not giving much thought to politics....yet u claim a man with a 30 year voting record of following the constitution.....small government principals, the most anti war politician imo.......and is agianst the unconstitutional war on drugs , patriot act, and tas rapings is controlled oposition....

hmmmm somthing doesnt quite add up.

can u please give me one example of his voting not matching his spoken ideals for 30 years.

[jackovesk]

Posted by kathymarie (here)
...oh, TargeT...I hope you're wrong about this. Although every time I've voted in the last couple of decades I feel like I'm always weighing between the lesser of two evils. Again, I hope you're wrong about Ron Paul...but I wouldn't be surprised if you're right on the money. It stands to reason in this controlled world, that we'd be given someone saying the things we want to hear....

IMHO TargeT is 'Dead Wrong' on this kathymarie..!

NO NEED to listen to anyone else on whether or not Ron Paul is a Man-of-Honor...

You only need to follow your own Intuition...

[TargeT]

Posted by jackovesk (here)
You only need to follow your own Intuition...

and I'll add (as my signature says) question EVERYTHING, ALWAYS (especialy what you "know" as "knowing" is the quickest way to stop learning and close oneself off from "knoweldge")

Posted by robinr1 (here)
can u please give me one example of his voting not matching his spoken ideals for 30 years.

I'm not sure how to approach this, if you were of a mentality that the ENTIRE POLITICAL SYSTEM is a distraction and game of control; why would you look to that same system to prove a point (see my measuring stick comment).

this is just my conclusion, I now hold beliefs that 2 years ago I would have thought crazy. so grain of salt and all that

[risveglio]

Posted by TargeT (here)
The true problem isn't (just) in the object your measuring, its the stick you are measuring with that is flawed.. (no judgement or negativeity in any of my comments, I wish I had this info back in 2006, though I do not doubt I would have laughed at me back then; reguardless I feel compeled to share what I have gained, if it resonates go with it, if not then I'm just some random internet voice, easily ignored).

I still don't see what you have "shared"

[robinr1]

u may entirely be right that most politicians and politics in general may be a distraction and a game of control as u put it.

that doesnt mean that every member of congress is in on it......ron paul def is not. his 30 year voting record speaks for itself.

[TargeT]

Posted by robinr1 (here)
u may entirely be right that most politicians and politics in general may be a distraction and a game of control as u put it.

that doesnt mean that every member of congress is in on it......ron paul def is not. his 30 year voting record speaks for itself.

I can see I'm not explaining my concepts well; you are right, his voting record cannot be denied, in the system that he functions in he is the perfect underdog, the ulitmate anti-establishment catch all for the disillusioned conservative base (notice the democrats have no such need for one of these, they modivate through emotion & once you lose that emotion and come back to reality you become a conservative, and once the luster wears off that you think even MORE conservatively (because obviously government of any substantial size is bad) and then you come to liberitarianism, Ron Paul) at each of these steps a person can be completely halted & happy or continue moving through as they become disillusioned. the problem is your still in the same system; you will continualy be disapointed & continualy offered hope that "next time" it's going to be "right".

I'm not talking some grand meeting of people in dark robes (though there most likely is something like that going on at some level) or anything to be "in on" perse.. this goes to a much deeper topic I supose.

I invite you to read the thread called "a question on lithium" on this forum ( https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...nce-reality..- ) if you haven't reached this topic yet in your information gathering searches, you eventualy will, hopefully you'll take this as a "jump start"; or find it at your own pace.

Honestly I'm just trying to be helpful, not contrarian or start an argument, best of luck everyone; we truely are living hte chinese curse "May you live in interesting times".

Posted by risveglio (here)
I still don't see what you have "shared"

hopefully a different perspective an the modivation to question preconcived notions (which never seem to be a good thing) no matter where they exsist.

[robinr1]

some of what u say makes complete sense...i agree....but it seems if u boil it down to brass tacks u are saying the sysytem is fubar.....so anyone who works within the system is fubar...which i strongly disagree with.

what specifically has ron paul done to truly make u feel hes controlled oposition

also what could he do to prove to u hes not.....and to once again regain ur respect and vote.

thank you

robin

[TargeT]

Posted by robinr1 (here)
some of what u say makes complete sense...i agree....but it seems if u boil it down to brass tacks u are saying the sysytem is fubar.....so anyone who works within the system is fubar...which i strongly disagree with.

what specifically has ron paul done to truly make u feel hes controlled oposition

also what could he do to prove to u hes not.....and to once again regain ur respect and vote.

thank you

robin

ok, forstarters Look up every reference to 9/11 that RP has made, track them chronologically (doesn't matter what you think about the event itself) we are looking for consistancy here; that alone should answer your question.

of course to me that's pulling one cup of water from a lake and saying "see here, this is wet!".

the way your statements are made, your strongly rooted in the current system & having trouble stepping back to view it (my guess here) objectively as a whole.

Here's my question to you:

When has anything the government done NOT further its control over the population, or harm it or expand itself?

Who is your favorite politician, sit down and study their career and see if you still agree, read their campaign speeches, did they follow through (do they ever?) of course RP is the exception here, but WHY is he the exception, & why has he gone NO WHERE for 30 years (he's been doing the exact same thing for 30 years, just now he's getting attention.. doesn't that seem strange to you, why are no other politicians this committed as clearly this path leads to re-election.. which all politicians worry about first).

simple pattern analysis is all that is really needed here, anything else gets you "caught up in the weeds" and you lose the overall picture.

[robinr1]

he is the exception bc hes a truly honorable great man who has delivered over 4k babies...many of those for free. hes has gone nowhere politically bc he holds viewpoints that are very troubling to most mornic sheep americans.

for example........drug legalization........ending the fed......returining to a sound monetary policy...... ending the entitlement nation we are......ANTI WAR.


These positions arent popular mainstream...and not popular to old white republican primary voters. hence the reason he wont win again this year.



as to why is is finally getting recognition now.......simple. bc what he has been saying for 30 years in coming home to roost.

we as a country are in dire straights and finally people are waking up a bit and saying...hey this ron paul guy predicted all this years ago.maybe hes not so crazy.



When has anything the government done NOT further its control over the population, or harm it or expand itself?



to answer that ? ......never.....the people in control want a one world fascist gov...no doubt.but just saying ron paul is one of them......without giving one logical reason why......kinda makes me wonder.

[TargeT]

Posted by robinr1 (here)
.....the people in control want a one world fascist gov...no doubt.but just saying ron paul is one of them......without giving one logical reason why......kinda makes me wonder.

One last thought on this topic:

You can't have one world government unless you end the Fed.... (I own all of RP's books btw, you'll find them great reads)

Go watch that video, here's the link: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dbh5l0b2-0o (Athene's theory on everything) its facinating and applys to this conversation directly.

I can see this (early topic in the video) is strongly in place here.. you and I are aproaching this conversation from two very different starting points; best of luck!

[robinr1]

regarding 9/11 sadly 9/11 is a taboo topic for any politician ........id venture a guess 90 percent of americans think 19 muslims with box cutters did 9/11.

how can anyone intelligently discuss a topic where the general populace is so uniformed and downright ignorant.

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You can't have one world government unless you end the Fed.... (I own all of RP's books btw, you'll find them great reads



i think the exact opposite is true.


good day..

robin

[risveglio]

Posted by TargeT (here)
You can't have one world government unless you end the Fed.... (I own all of RP's books btw, you'll find them great reads)

I guess you don't comprehend his books the same way I do. Can you explain how ending the Fed leads to a one world government? Especially if all he does is not end the fed but just legalize competition. I was intrigued for a minute but now I am thinking you are just practicing demagoguery and probably have never read his books or supported him.

[Ernie Nemeth]

The measuring stick you talk of TargeT, is valid, I think. But I also think that stick has been whittled away over the years. In your country the founding fathers fashioned a new measuring stick, one that measured more fairly between rich and poor. And liberty was its foundation, its premise. Without liberty, the stick is just a piece of wood.

I think Ron Paul speaks from this position. In all the years of listening to him, never have I found call to disagree with him on any fundamental issue. There precious few other politicians on the face of this planet I can say that of.

I agree change can only come if something different is tried - something truly different. Not Obama-style change. Yet Obama never spoke the way Ron Paul does. So why did so many fall for his platform of change-without-substance? At least Ron Paul puts his money where his mouth is.

Besides, Ron Paul is such a good American name.
President Paul.
It has a personal, homey, "my president" kind of sound...

[Spiralmind]

I have noticed that many RP supporters seem to act as though he is the second coming of Christ. I think we are being led down the garden path. "Problem, Reaction, Solution", anyone?