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    Default Re: Elenin is an artificial craft?!?

    Here is Hoagland's latest response to the elenin breaking up stories (from his facebook page).


    Quote Richard C. Hoagland

    Louis,

    The natural break-up of a REAL comet would immediately lead to "increased surface area" (MORE gas evaporation ...), and "increased dust" (MORE particles released ...), meaning -- an inevitable INCREASE in the object's brightness--

    Exactly the OPPOSITE of the reported behavior now of Elenin ....

    Since -- by the NUMBERS and (now) the observed, bizarre "tetrahedral geometry" of Elenin (below)--

    http://www.coasttocoastam.com/articl...ages-of-elenin

    --Elenin is demonstrably NOT "just another comet" -- such "expert" comet opinions, are in fact, just that ... "opinions."

    So, what are the FACTS?

    A) Elenin (again, by the NUMBERS -- to a probability of over 200 BILLION-to-one now ... as idescribed on "Coast" the other night) is an ARTIFICIAL ... carefully DIRECTED object ... "aimed" at the inner solar system.

    B) we still have ZERO data as to the PHYSICAL nature of Elenin itself ... other than the ghostly, geometric appearance AROUND it, a few days ago, of that bizarre "tetrahedral shield" (link, above) -- triggered into visibility (apparently) by a sudden increased density of the surrounding solar wind.

    C) such "technological" behavior is definitely "artificial" ... thus, calling into direct question ALL projected "cometary behavior" of Elenin ....

    D) IF Elenin is currently "fragmenting" (breaking apart ... into separate, smaller "pieces" ... as the Sky & Tel arricle claims), such behavior -- again, viewed in the scientific context of Elenin's OTHER "artificial, intelligent behavior" -- CANNOT be blindly attributed to the normal behavior of "just another comet," but--

    Behavior EXPECTED of "an intelligently-DIRECTED object ...."

    I.E a possible PLANNED "separation" now ... into multiple, SUB-spacecraft!--

    As Elenin approaches its closest orbital distance to the sun (September 11th)!

    Potentially ... "preparatory behavior" for what comes NEXT ... in Elenin's "Directed Mission."

    Stay tuned.

    http://www.facebook.com/RichardC.Hoagland

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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    Well, alrigthy then and thanks for the facebook update.

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    [...]

    That's when I learned the priceless lesson that the truth in the alternative community is much more about PR than about actual facts. PR wins every time. And the insiders also understand this very well. They're masters at playing their cards.

    So, don't help them win their game. Really intelligent analysis is the answer. But that takes time, and care, and real research. The insiders count on you not to bother to do all that.

    They financed the creation of Facebook, and there's a good reason for their smart investment. The 'noise' is WAY amplified there. That's why I have no Facebook page, and never use it.

    [...]

    My best wishes to all - Bill
    With this one, that would make 3 1/2 + 1 = 4 1/2


    From: http://sydneystargazers.com/

    Quote Leonid Elenin Confirms Comet Disintegration•August 31, 2011 • 17 Comments

    Leonid Elenin

    On his site, Leonid Elenin has left some comments where he confirms that comet elenin has indeed broken up and that the debris of the comet will not be a danger to the Earth as it will be too far out.
    Leonid tells us that the breakup of Elenin is similar to the breakup of comet C/1999 S4.
    C/1999 S4 is a comet which broke up in July 2000.
    Leonid Elenin will make an announcment on what is happening with Comet Elenin on his site soon.
    http://spaceobs.org/en/
    C/1999 S4 "Linear" from: http://cometography.com/lcomets/1999s4.html

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    C/1999 S4 (LINEAR)


    Copyright © 2000 by Gerald Rhemann The 19.5-minute exposure was taken in Austria on 2000 July 7, using a 1.12-m f/3.3 Hypergraph and Kodak TP4415 film. Rhemann gave the brightness as magnitude 7.2 and noted a 50'-long gas tail and a 20'long dust tail.

    [...]

    So, on July 23 I asked the question "what will happen next?" and noted "The gas tail seen on the 21st and 22nd was certainly short-lived and indicates something sudden and violent occurred to the nucleus. It may only prove to have been a new pocket of gas that was released, but observers should be on the lookout for something more within the coma during the next few days and weeks." Well, the comet has indeed undergone changes that became apparent shortly before July ended. The comet's nuclear region became noticeably more diffuse and elongated beginning on July 25, and the comet began fading at a rate much greater than had been predicted. My final observation was made with my 33.3-cm reflector on August 2 and revealed a slightly elongated nebulosity with virtually no condensation. My estimate of the comet's brightness was 9, which was over 2 magnitudes fainter than expected.




    Konrad Horn (Germany) obtained this image on August 1.86. He combined sixteen 60 second exposures obtained with his Genesis 100/500 and a Starlight SX CCD. The comet was then a very diffuse and elongated smudge, at least two magnitudes fainter than it should have been at that time.

    The Hubble Space Telescope was used to observe the comet on August 5. What it found was more than a dozen tiny comets enveloped by a cloud of dust in the area where comet LINEAR was supposed to be. The image below is only a small section of the photo. The large scale images and complete story are on the Hubble web site. Interestingly, the images were obtained at about the same time as another, wider field image was obtained with the 2.2-meter telescope at the Mauna Kea observatory complex.



    In a display of how good ground-based observations can be, the European Southern Observatory released an image obtained at Paranal (Chile) with the 8.2-m Very Large Telescope ANTU unit on the evening of August 6. A portion of the image is shown below. The complete image and press release is located on the VLT web site.




    From: http://sydneystargazers.com/

    Quote When we talk about a comet’s degree of condensation , we look at either the degree of condensation of the coma (atmosphere) or the degree of condensation of the nucleus.

    In this case ,we are talking about comet Elenin having no central condensation, in other words of the nucleus…… and this roughly means there is no longer a nucleus to comet Elenin.

    This has been measured by an E12 instrument which is used to gauge the level of condensation of a comet
    So, unless one can get pictures of Elenin from the Hubble or the VLT ANTU telescope, the best one could get as an amateur is a faint smudge for a disintegrated comet.

    Now my question is: how come Hoagland didn't get on the case of C/1999 S4?

    Too close to Hale Bopp?


    From: http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx433.htm

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    Enterprise Mission
    For instance, "Zeta Talk" has alleged, in 1995, among other things, that Hale-Bopp was "not a comet." This would come as quite a surprise to those of us that viewed it our night skies for several months in 1997. They've also claimed that Enterprise principal investigator Richard C. Hoagland once went on Art Bell to concur with this opinion by stating he "suspected Hale-Bopp of being not a comet but an intelligently driven star-like object." We of course never said any such thing. They've also charged that Hoagland did this at NASA's behest in return for a promise that NASA would re-photograph Cydonia. No such "quid-pro-quo" has ever taken place between these two parties on any matter. Enterprise Mission, 2002
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    Default Planet sized object filmed over White Rock Canada not Nibiru maybe Jupiter

    This what the uploader says

    Driving home after 16 hour shift at work and noticed this unusually large celestial object in the sky.I am holding the camera steady as a rock the object is moving ever so slightly.Anyone seen this object it was up there for ever.I am going out tonight at the same time around 12:45 am



    I have seen this object before have a look here for the simalarities http://www.ufos-aliens.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ukufo.htm

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    Default Re: Planet sized object filmed over White Rock Canada not Nibiru maybe Jupiter

    did you look at the comments that were posted hours ago on the yt.
    they are all saying its jupiter and the uploader appears to agree with them.
    there are no shoutings and trollings either, he seems quite agreeable to this suggestion...though he does add that he will check it out again tonight.

    and as for the resemblance to the other link,the only thing they have in common is BLUR!
    Cmon the one,you seem to be slacking and clutching at straws,you can do better than this!

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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)

    [...]

    Im none the wiser though.

    [...]
    Chris
    http://yowusa.com/planetx/2011/planetx-2011-09a/1.shtml
    Hi Chris!

    My guess is that, may be, it's time to be "logicer"...

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    Default Re: Planet sized object filmed over White Rock Canada not Nibiru maybe Jupiter

    I saw this aswell driving home... was huge, figured it must've been a planet .

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    Default Re: Planet sized object filmed over White Rock Canada not Nibiru maybe Jupiter

    Quote Posted by the trojan (here)
    did you look at the comments that were posted hours ago on the yt.
    they are all saying its jupiter and the uploader appears to agree with them.
    there are no shoutings and trollings either, he seems quite agreeable to this suggestion...though he does add that he will check it out again tonight.

    and as for the resemblance to the other link,the only thing they have in common is BLUR!
    Cmon the one,you seem to be slacking and clutching at straws,you can do better than this!
    I think not the trojan i did look at the other comments but i did not agree with them obviously you did.Maybe you dont realise the similarities in this object but alot of other people will.I have researched this

    Quote and as for the resemblance to the other link,the only thing they have in common is BLUR!
    If you was aware of this object like alot of people are in the UFO field i dont think you would be to quick to judge,maybe you should do some reasearch


    Quote Cmon the one,you seem to be slacking and clutching at straws,you can do better than this
    Your assumption not others your sly remark is of no purpose.
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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    ... and now for something else entirely different ... from Kerry's blog:


    Quote September 2, 2011

    ELENIN : UPDATE

    According to a source in fact, Elenin has been split in two... the videos showing the hit are correct but the hit came from a ship. Why they split it is unclear although the dangerous out-gassing was mentioned.

    click here for the video of the hit





    The video containing the warning sound from Antarctica... and the one that appeared to come from Elenin...They were saying 'stay clear' in another frequency.

    This source also says the brown dwarf is about 38 days behind Elenin... And there are planets circulating around the brown dwarf... a mini solar system if you will.

    They also suggested that there may be an effort to affect the dwarf or it's accompanying planets so they don't rock our planet so much...

    This info is in contradiction to all of Hoagland's info and other info I have received. However this may actually be correct.
    http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)

    [...]

    Im none the wiser though.

    [...]
    Chris
    http://yowusa.com/planetx/2011/planetx-2011-09a/1.shtml
    Hi Chris!

    My guess is that, may be, it's time to be "logicer"...
    Im laughing because every time logic clicks in there is another twist in the "tale" of Elenin.

    My thoughts are -----that its true that the comet is disintegrating.
    I have never believed any alien connection.
    I do believe that we are having massive changes in our solar system,
    I am not sure what is causing this but I suspect that the electro magnetic ribbon moving in from the gllactic center has more to do with it than any comet or planet.

    How am I doing Amzer Zo?

    Regards
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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    All I can say is WOW !! Unbelievable stuff. Let's see what if anything happens on the 26th of September. I still believe that it what is coming after Elenin that has been causing all of the earth changes .

    The funny thing is that, I usually pay all of my bills the first week of the month after I get paid. Since I basically live pay check to pay check, I decided that this month, I would keep all the cash and wait until the 30th to pay the bills, just so that I would have the cash around just in case something happened. What ever the case, that's my plan and I'm sticken to it.
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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    I am amazed at what lense flares can do... to people's imaginations...

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Quote Posted by MorningSong (here)
    Hey guys! Just ran across this! WOw!

    Go to the link and take a look at additional links and info...research, research, research.

    Elenin explodes - MASSIVE explosion DISINTEGRATES

    Hi MorningSong!

    What happened to logic and "discernment?":

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    Quote Top Comments
    • You are not seeing an explosion, you are seeing a lens flare as the camera pans left. And Jupiter and Elenin are so far apart, it would take DAYS for any explosion to reach Elenin, not seconds like shown here. As an amateur astronomer, I have been watching Jupiter a lot lately, there has been no explosions. Please check things out better before you scare people, when these things go viral, brains also go viral, if you know what I mean.Znobyrd 12 hours ago 13

    • Disinfo!
      Please, Elenin hit in seconds after a explosion took place on Jupiter? Come on man....
      Elenin is 600million miles away from Jupiter, no way it can be struck so quickly
      Maybe, maybe the sun can have this effect after a X7 solarflare but thats it.
      camel303 3 hours ago 5
    Sensational... yes... me think it's time for this as a reminder:

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    Hi, Guys, please listen up for a moment.

    This thread is inspired by one of the recent 'disclosure prediction' threads that turned out to be yet another deliberate hoax.

    This is not a shot any any individual member here: but I strongly feel that Avalon members should have a responsibility NOT to forward fake or hokey predictions or 'channeled messages' - which is currently happening at a rate of one or more a week.

    We don't need this kind of nonsense in a climate of the times that could not be more serious. There ARE very critical things happening quietly in the world, and the real signals get lost in all the 'noise'.

    Be very sure that this is intended.

    Folks, I ask you: don't needlessly add to the noise.

    I always wanted Avalon to be about quality rather than quantity: for people to be able to come here quickly and find a digest of good information and intelligent discussion.

    To re-post any junk on YouTube or Facebook that catches our eye, thinking we're doing the members a service, might be a well-intended error of judgment. Please always use your intelligence and discrimination.

    I'm no friend or fan of ATS, but the mods there immediately deleted a thread about the recent "The Agency" 'prediction' of a 'radioactive satellite' over Munich on 20 October, that was really a forecast comet - not only because it was clearly false, but because the writer urged that it must 'go viral'.

    They were quite correct to censor this cheap nonsense and stop it in its tracks. Our collective alternative knowledge base is being deliberately infected by information of zero or negative value in the same way as our computers (or bodies!) can become infected with viruses.

    The presence of the zero-value add-ons decreases our capacity to function optimally. In this case, we're rendered less able to evaluate authentic information. This is one reason why I find myself increasingly unsympathetic to hoaxes, hoaxers and other forms of knowledge devaluation, and have made some of the decisions I've made in the last year.

    This is not in any way 'censoring the truth movement': the real truth is far more incredible and unbelievable than any fiction.

    I want to make the real truth easier to see by flitering out the distractions - some of which are deliberate, and some of which are just naive.

    In 2005-6 I was closely involved in the 'Serpo story'. It was a really valuable experience. Much of that was nonsense (and it got more and more ridiculous as the 'disclosure' was sabotaged from inside): but some was certainly true. It was worth discussing at first until it just became way too crazy and was eventually completely derailed. By that time I had abandoned it.

    That's when I learned the priceless lesson that the truth in the alternative community is much more about PR than about actual facts. PR wins every time. And the insiders also understand this very well. They're masters at playing their cards.

    So, don't help them win their game. Really intelligent analysis is the answer. But that takes time, and care, and real research. The insiders count on you not to bother to do all that.

    They financed the creation of Facebook, and there's a good reason for their smart investment. The 'noise' is WAY amplified there. That's why I have no Facebook page, and never use it.

    Indirectly related to this: please don't re-post YouTube videos with no comment, or with a simple statement like "Hey, Guys, look at this". I and many others will never watch a video unless someone tells me why I should spend the time. Please be smart and caring enough to summarize in your own words what the added value is.

    Added value is what it's all about. If you're NOT adding value, then just keep reading. Though some of them are hard to find, Avalon has over 6,000 threads which contain enough good material to keep us all busy for a very long time.

    My best wishes to all - Bill

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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    Quote Posted by yiolas (here)
    All I can say is WOW !! Unbelievable stuff. Let's see what if anything happens on the 26th of September. I still believe that it what is coming after Elenin that has been causing all of the earth changes .

    The funny thing is that, I usually pay all of my bills the first week of the month after I get paid. Since I basically live pay check to pay check, I decided that this month, I would keep all the cash and wait until the 30th to pay the bills, just so that I would have the cash around just in case something happened. What ever the case, that's my plan and I'm sticken to it.
    Sounds like a good plan to me!
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    Default Re: Planet sized object filmed over White Rock Canada not Nibiru maybe Jupiter

    you know,that remark,'You should do some research' is one of the most insulting slurs used on forums' .


    You put up a link to a video on youtube.
    you also put up a link to a webpage featuring photographs of circular,orbs of various densities and patterns.

    The video on youtube is of a circular object with no discernible pattern or markings as it is blurred.
    Therefore being circular and blurred is the only connection that I can see.
    Five comments on the video and not one makes the connection that you do,including the guy who posted it.

    The ufo field is obviously close to your heart .
    There is no need to be so defensive and no need to attack me.

    A wee question though,whenever I have commented on your other posts in the affirmative,
    ,why have you not thanked me with as much fervour as you are attacking me now ?

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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    Hi Kathymarie,

    I saw the same claim, perhaps in the same .pdf file you have looked at. I am a physicist and looked very carefully at the first several pages of that document and concluded that it was a terrible hoax, seemingly put out with the intent to maliciously misinform people. If you would like my detailed notes, I can forward you the email I sent to another friend of mine on this forum.

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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    Quote Posted by ShawnDotFree (here)
    Hi Kathymarie,

    I saw the same claim, perhaps in the same .pdf file you have looked at. I am a physicist and looked very carefully at the first several pages of that document and concluded that it was a terrible hoax, seemingly put out with the intent to maliciously misinform people. If you would like my detailed notes, I can forward you the email I sent to another friend of mine on this forum.
    Can you bullet point your notes and put them up for us all to see?

    Thanks,
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    Default Re: Planet sized object filmed over White Rock Canada not Nibiru maybe Jupiter

    I am holding the camera as steady as a rock...

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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Im laughing because every time logic clicks in there is another twist in the "tale" of Elenin.

    My thoughts are -----that its true that the comet is disintegrating.
    I have never believed any alien connection.
    You "said" it yourself... "tale."

    All the data are there for anyone to understand but I guess most people have a hard time understanding the "PR" point brought forth by Bill Ryan... Hoagland uses it to the max whereas amateur astronomers have no interest in spinning a "tale" since they believe in "credibility" and in one's own integrity and honor.

    Seems the "PR" propaganda dept. is having another go at the Hale-Bopp recipe with a "mysterious," large object in the wake of Elenin, etc... now I understand Laura Knight-Jadzick comment to Kerry about having blood on their hands and refused to participate to that conference.

    From: http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx433.htm

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    Enterprise Mission
    For instance, "Zeta Talk" has alleged, in 1995, among other things, that Hale-Bopp was "not a comet." This would come as quite a surprise to those of us that viewed it our night skies for several months in 1997. They've also claimed that Enterprise principal investigator Richard C. Hoagland once went on Art Bell to concur with this opinion by stating he "suspected Hale-Bopp of being not a comet but an intelligently driven star-like object." We of course never said any such thing. They've also charged that Hoagland did this at NASA's behest in return for a promise that NASA would re-photograph Cydonia. No such "quid-pro-quo" has ever taken place between these two parties on any matter. Enterprise Mission, 2002

    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)

    [...]

    I do believe that we are having massive changes in our solar system,
    I am not sure what is causing this but I suspect that the electro magnetic ribbon moving in from the gllactic center has more to do with it than any comet or planet.


    Regards
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    A little semantic disagreement: is that a belief or is it observations/data collection?

    Personally, I am not entirely convinced about that energized cloud of particles; I am more inclined to consider a binary star system to have a greater, more noticeable influence then a cloud of particles... unless that cloud happens to amplify the effects of the Sun's twin.

    Debatable until more factual data are made available.

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    I don't know... Chris, how are you doing?

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    OK, So I'm back...because I'm sick of seeing my nick show up so often in what I consider at troll attack.

    Please stop copying and re-pasting yourself, Amzer Zo.

    I want to know what you really think about this Elenin thing. It appears you think you know something so brilliant that just seems so obvious, that you can't understand why the others of us can't read your mind. Enlighten us, please!
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    OK, So I'm back...because I'm sick of seeing my nick show up so often in what I consider at troll attack.

    Please stop copying and re-pasting yourself, Amzer Zo.

    I want to know what you really think about this Elenin thing. It appears you think you know something so brilliant that just seems so obvious, that you can't understand why the others of us can't read your mind. Enlighten us, please!
    Read my posts, they provide the factual data I know of on the subject as compared to someone's ideas and words.

    Someone already asked me that question and I answered. There are data in the face of the doom & gloom hype and propaganda... the data are not paid attention to but, gawd, is the doom & gloom ever considered and re-circulated and reborn in new threads out of the ashes of old ones, etc.

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    Heres my take on it from outside the box,........there is something coming in.., definately., and its changing things dramatically here and "elsewhere".. all are feeling it in many diffrent ways .. its been happening for quite some time .......i dont know anything about asteriods....comets,.elenin, nibiru ........but the light body of earth is coming ... , and when it is fully here....well ..... Blessings

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