"Debunking Jordan Maxwell : The Movie" - There is a war on our minds!

[Baelsfire]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

you seem to know where you're heading hehe


shall I even bother to elaborate


since you've already made up your mind

I would only waste my time


some souls go to hell with the head held high



where is the merit in mocking the martyrs

Where is the merit in ignorantly ignoring the vast expanse of time before 2000 years ago, the religions, beliefs, sciences, and cultures of those civilisations? For instance, explain to me the origins of the word and concept of HELL

[RedeZra]

Posted by Baelsfire (here)
Where is the merit in ignorantly ignoring the vast expanse of time before 2000 years ago, the religions, beliefs, sciences, and cultures of those civilisations? For instance, explain to me the origins of the word and concept of HELL

hi there

you have responded with a smiley

so I will go easy on you lol


don't turn this into semantics


hell is a state of mind after death

call it gehenna if you want

or gehinnom hades and sheol


I know the early christians defended the bible with their lives

why would they do that

to die instead of renouncing their faith

can you fathom this


so please understand

as an upright human being

we do not mock the martyrs


oh hell is a state of mind

a period between incarnations

for those that deserve that


how is it


have you felt like dying of thirst

with mouth full of hot sand

[3optic]

Good grief..

[RedeZra]

Posted by 3optic (here)
Good grief..

oh my what a pseudo-intellectual input


if you can't back it up

please refrain from cheap remarks


when hell is real

is it warning or is it scare to talk about it

[norman]

Posted by 3optic (here)
Good grief..

QUITE!

[Baelsfire]

RedeZra, I am finding it hard to follow your train of logic ... and your posts are coming off (to me) as slightly incoherent. I've quoted a couple of bits from your above post, I hope you do not mind that i have reformatted them to be more congruent with the form of a discussion.

I know the early christians defended the bible with their lives. why would they do that?
to die instead of renouncing their faith - can you fathom this?

Of course i can fathom this. It was what they believed in. However belief does not imply fact, it is a perspective of what is true, obtained through a matter of faith - usually because of a lack of substantive evidence.

The early Christians of that day (many truly lovely people i'm sure) were still quite humble folk who generally lacked the benefits of education and exposure to the masses of evidence from ancient sites and the accumulating knowledge about the peoples there that we do in this age (however incomplete). Also most, fortunately for them, were not indoctrinated with the dogma of the Christian institution, formalised in the collection of works commonly refereed to as "the Bible"

hell is a state of mind after death, call it gehenna if you want or gehinnom hades and sheol

Hades was certainly not thought of as a state of mind, it was an actual domain.

we do not mock the martyrs

Which Martyrs, and how am I (or you) mocking them?

oh hell is a state of mind - a period between incarnations for those that deserve that

So you believe in reincarnation? I have to say this is (from my understanding) quite contradictory with the teachings of the New Testament, which you have come into this topic defending it as indisputable fact. I am confused by your confusing statements and the implications of them. What exactly is your faith?

Also, do you have anything to contribute to the topic in hand, that is on the subject of Jordan Maxwell?

[Kulapops]

Drill down through the dust. What is the purpose of Avalon?

People interact with truth, lies, illusion, banter, ego and sexual tension.

we are people. There are stories. None of it is concrete.

To me it seems like Mario Racing. There's a chimp, a chicken, a dino and Mario....and they just do lap after lap.

And you play for hours... and then you just want another go.

Like God? dislike God? Post it here. Want aliens? Don't want aliens? Believe in the CIA..or don't.

Christ... it's your life !!

This. Is your life.

Reflect on that... and consider it a worthy use of your time.

This is virtual reality. Virtual Insanity.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jMPTXAc9aJ0

[Baelsfire]

Well a difference being is when you crash on mario kart, yoshi doesnt get really hurt. Its one thing to say "All is illusion, a game, I can just switch off and go to bed now" but when the **** hits the fan and a fully body armoured police thug is beating a granny up in front of you, would you, could you, do you, still say the same??

[norman]

Posted by Baelsfire (here)

but when the **** hits the fan and a fully body armoured police thug is beating a granny up in front of you, would you, could you, do you, still say the same??

sadly yes........

Reason?...... Vitual reality isn't virtual at all. It's dead real. It's the late lesson that reality is virtual.

[Rimbaud]

Friend Baelsfire,
Firstly I have no opinion over J. Maxwells Masonic links..has he been outed or something? I don't have enough time to read all the Avelon posts these days. Secondly as we have discussed before, what is wrong with being a "Fellow Craft Free Mason"?

I simply can't see that his comments should be debarred from this forum by a Masonic link..you might as well say that Baptists are barred from water! Baelsfire we've discussed this topic before and I can't see any change in the subject matter..ie are all Masons Evil? ..From my point of view, no they're not; in fact just the opposite. I totally accept the notion that there are some Bastards within the fold; but I must say that I've never met one. I swear to God that my Masonic experience has been a good one..and I continue to feel that Freemasonry is a good cause..I might get kicked off this site for saying so...but I'll go to bed tonight happy in the thought that my Brothers probably do more for society in terms of charity than half of the guttless Governments.

I suppose that by saying this, I tacitly support Jordan Maxwell despite not particularly liking him...I find him to be a bit of a brute; but I must conclude by saying this....There is nothing wrong with being a FreeMason so long as one enters the craft in the same Spirit that I entered Project Avelon..I joined in order to improve myself and hopefully instruct others. I didn't join to become less than I am.

Cheers Baelsfire

Rimbaud

[RedeZra]

Posted by Baelsfire (here)
The early Christians of that day (many truly lovely people i'm sure) were still quite humble folk who generally lacked the benefits of education and exposure to the masses of evidence from ancient sites and the accumulating knowledge about the peoples there that we do in this age (however incomplete). Also most, fortunately for them, were not indoctrinated with the dogma of the Christian institution, formalised in the collection of works commonly refereed to as "the Bible"

the early Christians were so close to the source of their faith

both in time and space

almost all of the Apostles paid with their lives for not denouncing Christ

heck the Christians were persecuted from both Jerusalem and Rome until early 300 AD

and no way did they die if they were not 100% certain about it's authenticity


the martyrs are those that defended sacred ground with their blood

so that the Gospel the Acts the Tanakh and other books could be preserved in a Bible

to tell us the remarkable story of Jesus as it happened 2000 years ago


unfortunately everything in this world suffers from corruption

the church is certainly no exception


reincarnation is a complex procedure

which the Bible only hints about without going into details


everything is a state of mind my friend - even Hades

but I would still help old granny from that thug

that's how we show our worth to God

Posted by Baelsfire (here)
Also, do you have anything to contribute to the topic in hand, that is on the subject of Jordan Maxwell?

ahem not much

only that masons rule at least the Western world

and if Jordanus is in on it - he sure hides it well hehe

[TraineeHuman]

Although Jordan Maxwell has in the past produced some extremely important and ground-breaking insights, it certainly doesn’t follow, of course, that all some other things he says are accurate. Such inaccuracies or mistakes, etc don’t affect the validity and truth of his initial insights and discoveries. It’s still true that he showed great insights and huge courage and independence of mind when he came up with those insights and some evidence for them.

The first half of Chris White‘s video presents what seem to be very valid and accurate criticisms of Maxwell. However, those criticisms don’t affect the insight that the Illuminati exist and have operated through a giant public deception of which the film The Matrix can be seen as a valid metaphor; and that the Vatican is heavily involved, and so on.

Chris White’s video explained that Maxwell was heavily influenced by Madame Blavatsky’s writings. I found that very interesting. On the one hand, Blavatsky knew a significant amount of esoteric knowledge. Here, by “esoteric” I mean the deeper, truer principles of spirituality. These are kept hidden from the masses, who only get the superficial or “exoteric” version of religion. I take it Maxwell drew on this to give him insights into what the esoteric teaching behind Christianity was, and hence detailed insights into how the Catholic Church had twisted the true teaching.

Incidentally, if anybody’s interested in what the esoteric teaching says, here’s one suggestion. Rather than reading Blavatsky you could look at the parables of Jesus (and no, I’m not a Christian). If you can understand what the real meaning of each parable is, I believe they’ll give you a pretty complete rundown on all the important items. Probably the most important parable is that of The Prodigal Son. This is actually all about embracing your dark side or “shadow” or “ego” or “pain-body” or “the unhappiness within you”. No, “embracing” doesn’t mean being rude or nasty, or self-indulgent (beyond enjoying life in all its beauty). Another important parable is about the night watchman who made a mistake by not “staying awake” every moment. You’ll find that in the advanced, i.e. esoteric, form of any religion it’s considered essential to watch yourself every single moment, like a hawk. That doesn’t mean not to continually flow with the universe, either. (It would take too much space to explain the seeming contradiction in that here.) But the night watchman parable is one of the parables about the crucial importance of consciousness, and of awareness. It’s also one of the parables implicitly about how essential it is to deeply know thyself. Interestingly, I observe that most people know very, very little about themselves, and also completely fail to make this one of the most important projects in their lives at all times, and even at any time. It’s all there in the parables, if you know how to look. And although “tough is the path and narrow is the gate,” it will make your life probably far more interesting than anything else can, if you dare to get serious about it. And it takes far longer to make it all practical in your own life than you ever imagined.

The unfortunate side to Blavatsky’s writings is that she fancied herself a channeller, and so she added in her own made-up nonsense. As a result, many people tend to dismiss Blavatsky as they find her too off-putting. Unfortunately, it seems to me (though I may be wrong) that Jordan has swallowed much of Blavatsky hook, line and sinker. (Maybe because he’s a Mason? I don’t know.) I believe for that reason, I’m afraid I don’t find him super-interesting in what he talks about today.

[3optic]

Posted by Rimbaud (here)
..are all Masons Evil? ..From my point of view, no they're not; in fact just the opposite. I totally accept the notion that there are some Bastards within the fold; but I must say that I've never met one. I swear to God that my Masonic experience has been a good one..and I continue to feel that Freemasonry is a good cause..I might get kicked off this site for saying so...but I'll go to bed tonight happy in the thought that my Brothers probably do more for society in terms of charity than half of the guttless Governments.

Rimbaud

Rimbaud, anyone who has done a minimal amount of investigation is well aware that being a Freemason does not make you a part of a cabal bent on global governance. Please stop apologizing for being a member!

Redezra, my reply to your post was a reaction to your heavy handed tone not the content of your post. Are we talking to you or a melodramatic prophet cliche who speaks like they came out of the 19th century?

Can I back up "Good grief"? No I can't. But I still love you.

[Baelsfire]

Hi Rimbaud, it seems you have maybe taken my comments out of context a little.. though maybe through fault of my own; by posting the segment associating alleged negative principles with Freemasonry alongside the piece on Jordan in the intial post.

Let me break down a little of your post in quotes & replies, hopefully i can clarify where i was angling from better..

Posted by Rimbaud (here)
Friend Baelsfire,
Firstly I have no opinion over J. Maxwells Masonic links..has he been outed or something? I don't have enough time to read all the Avelon posts these days. Secondly as we have discussed before, what is wrong with being a "Fellow Craft Free Mason"?

Well it seemed pretty obvious to me, from paying attention to what he speaks and his mannerisms he all but makes a statement saying so, and nothing in itself there is wrong it just explains a few things, such as how he would know and recognise the Council of 33.

I simply can't see that his comments should be debarred from this forum by a Masonic link..you might as well say that Baptists are barred from water! Baelsfire we've discussed this topic before and I can't see any change in the subject matter..ie are all Masons Evil? ..From my point of view, no they're not; in fact just the opposite.

Well therin lies the fallacy of generalisation, in my opinion! Saying "ALL Masons are evil" is like saying "ALL Bankers are Jewish" or "ALL poor people are animals", you get the drift. The site i posted the bits about the Freemasonry Oaths was decidingly anti-freemason propaganda, which i did attempt to make notice of, whilst objectifying to reach a wider audience and encourage critical thinking and input.

You yourself have the opinion there are a lot of people who are of the anti-freemason mentality here, hence your apparent need for the defensiveness. And with alledged oaths which effectively insinuate brotherly love and compassion is only due to initiated brethren whether they be corrupt little sods or not, and anything goes with "the outsiders" whatever ethical disposition they may be this does leave a large hurdle to jump over. I guess this is where the third sector, charity, becomes more of a strategic public relations exercise than a genuine endeavour to some.

I totally accept the notion that there are some Bastards within the fold; but I must say that I've never met one. I swear to God that my Masonic experience has been a good one..and I continue to feel that Freemasonry is a good cause..I might get kicked off this site for saying so...but I'll go to bed tonight happy in the thought that my Brothers probably do more for society in terms of charity than half of the guttless Governments.

LoL, I doubt very much you would be kicked off this site for such a statement! It would be contrary to their mission i think. The way i see it, in this moment of time, goes a little something like this:

Knowledge is Power. Freemasonry claims to have both. Some join for knowledge and the wisdom to use it, others join for power and the money to create it. I speculate here (but not without reason), but i suspect the latter is the greater motivator for the majority of members in current times. For instance capitalism, while a very clever thing, is not wise and has no place for sustainable spiritual growth. Infact it relies on deceit to insure success and thus knowledge is subverted for the transient illusion of power and the person is corrupt.

I could go on to speculate that the majority of high earning "respectable" individuals (specifically here in UK) are Freemasons and from my direct experience, their success relies on unethical behaviours sanctioned by equally corrupt individuals. But then they may also be Catholics. Or Jews. Or Nazi's. Suffice to say its through the corrupt individuals using groups as a medium to glorify a morality which is based upon money and power. A few rotten apples in a barrel can cause the whole lot to thrown out as inedible right?

There is nothing wrong with being a FreeMason so long as one enters the craft in the same Spirit that I entered Project Avelon..I joined in order to improve myself and hopefully instruct others. I didn't join to become less than I am.

Please my friend, don't take this as directed at your soul (I mean im not accusing you of being corrupt), but Improving Oneself may sound like a very noble goal, but of course is completely subjective to ones standard of morality, which is something that is malleable. Progression in societies often does not depend on loyalty to apparent foundations of ethics but rather on the standards of those who have already harnessed themselves into the helm within such society. In effect one is "bettering oneself" by submitting to will of another through the guise of a pompous title and the generation of equity.


But i digress! It is a complex subject to manifest discussion on, and I didnt help matters by associating Jordan Maxwell with Freemasonry through that particular site, though i did have specific reasons for doing so namely to point out the issue of manipulation and counter-manipulation and where one ends up asserting what as truth and how selectively is that truth applied (and to whom).

All the best, Love & Light

Joshua-Lee

[tone3jaguar]

Grizzom, in reference to the snap shot from the Federal Trade Commission web site. How many people are there that live in California that have the name Jordan Maxwell? I can tell you that I just searched Los Angeles and there where 5 Jordan Maxwells just in that City alone. Moreover, that screen capture you provided only says California. There could be hundreds of Jordan Maxwells in California. Kind of ambiguous weak evidence you present there.

[RedeZra]

Posted by 3optic (here)
Redezra, my reply to your post was a reaction to your heavy handed tone not the content of your post. Are we talking to you or a melodramatic prophet cliche who speaks like they came out of the 19th century?

Can I back up "Good grief"? No I can't. But I still love you.

lol I like to use as few words as possible

to paint a picture

I love you too

[Scott]

As far as Jordan being a Mason i cannot say, what I can point to though is personal experience. Being a researcher in Parapsychology & UFO's mainly, my research partner was interested in the Krishna outlook and their belief system.
So we joined them to investigate (No we did not shave our heads & hang out at airports ) by 6 months we knew enough about the system to satisfy my research partners knowledge base but the food after the meeting was so darn good we ended up going for another 3 months haha. Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare
Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.

We did the same thing with many other groups including A.R.E, book of Urantia, Sufism and Eckankar just to name a few.
Although I personally have very little residue from the various research endeavors much can be garnered from the inside as apposed to the outside looking in

This may or may not have been Jordan's research process but he IS extremely well informed.

[Grizzom]

Posted by tone3jaguar (here)
Grizzom, in reference to the snap shot from the Federal Trade Commission web site. How many people are there that live in California that have the name Jordan Maxwell? I can tell you that I just searched Los Angeles and there where 5 Jordan Maxwells just in that City alone. Moreover, that screen capture you provided only says California. There could be hundreds of Jordan Maxwells in California. Kind of ambiguous weak evidence you present there.

If you took the time to read it, it says Russell Pine Aka Jordan Maxwell, whats the odds of another Russell Pine that calls himself Jordan Maxwell?

He had a web site and offered travel tours and he was selling bogus license's on the side.

He's been confronted about this and has never disputed it?

The late Bill Cooper outed him years before by confronting him on live radio and made him look like a fool. (Mr Pine has never disputed this either)

Jim Marrs has come out and said on Rense that he should have never endorced JM in his book if he knew his true back ground.
I trust Jim more and I feel he's very truthful and is not a bullsh-tter like Jordan.

Before I go following some "Guru" I check him out thoroughly first, then I get a video or better go see him in person, so I can watch him preach his stuff closely watch his body movement and look for tells like shifting eyes and things like that to see if he shows signs of not being truthful.

(It takes more time and energy to lie then it does to tell the truth)

Ive had an ability spot these tells all my life and if you watch a video of Jordans, look closely when he tells one of his BS definitions of words!

Look I originally said that Mr pine/jordan was a entertainer, I was being nice.

My honest opinion is he's a flat out con man with some kind of agenda.

I wish he wasn't, I like his conspiracy theorys and most of what he lectures about, but he makes stuff up and lies when he doesn't need to? (Why???)

While were on the subject of con men what do you think about this video?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wGh2h8FE50o

Part 2 - 13 here

What's This All About?

Welcome to the website devoted to addressing the claims of the ancient astronaut hypothesis popularized in the writings of Zecharia Sitchin. Who's behind this site? My name is Mike Heiser. Who am I? The short answer is that I'm a scholar of biblical and ancient Near Eastern languages, cultures, and religions.

Why do I bother with this stuff? Because I don't like ancient texts manipulated to promote false claims. If I were a lawyer I'd feel professionally obligated to tell you if someone was giving you bad legal advice. If I was a medical doctor, I'd owe you the truth if I knew the medicine you were taking was bogus or could kill you. If I was an accountant, I'd let you know if a neighbor's tax advice could put you in jail.

I'm none of those things, but I'm trying to provide the same service in my areas of expertise. I can tell you--and show you--that what Sitchin has written about Nibiru, the Anunnaki, the book of Genesis, the Nephilim, and a host of other things has absolutely no basis in the real data of the ancient world. I don't doubt that Zecharia Sitchin is a nice guy; he's just wrong. Nothing personal.
A Little Background

SITCHINISWRONG.COM has been online since 2001. Shortly after I wrote my novel, The Facade (during what should have been my first year of writing my PhD dissertation), I was invited to be a guest on Coast to Coast AM. Former host Art Bell asked me if I would debate Zecharia Sitchin live on the show and I accepted. Sitchin has never returned the favor. I was quickly attacked, though, by other "researchers" who accused me of making piles of money off Sitchin's name. I answered by posting my income tax returns on the Internet. My accusers crawled back under their rocks and I went on to finish my dissertation in Hebrew and ancient Semitic languages (University of Wisconsin-Madison, 2004). I never really returned to normal life completely, though. I've been on a number of radio shows, made frequent re-appearances on Coast to Coast AM, and spoken at conferences that focus on this sort of thing. The people I meet and the hosts that interview me have proven to be bright, inquisitive, likeable, and sincere. I just try to get them to look at the data.


Sitchen is wrong web site

PaleoBabble

Snake oil salesmen all base their work off Sitchens fairy tales and they may not be lying to their followers due to them truly believing Sitchens work to be true


I think most know Sitchen is making it up, and just get on his newage gravy train to make cash.



This is just my opinion and I could be wrong.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Grizzom (here)
Before I go following some "Guru" I check him out thoroughly first, then I get a video or better go see him in person, so I can watch him preach his stuff closely watch his body movement and look for tells like shifting eyes and things like that to see if he shows signs of not being truthful.

Ive had an ability spot these tells all my life and if you watch a video of Jordans, look closely when he tells one of his BS definitions of words!

Look I originally said that Mr pine/jordan was a entertainer, I was being nice.

My honest opinion is he's a flat out con man with some kind of agenda.

Actually, you posted one or two things on the forum that you never checked out at all! (Your thread re-posting Sorcha Faal is one example, but I do acknowledge that you quickly realized you'd made a mistake. However: how much experience do you have in this field when you don't know that Sorcha Fall is unreliable?)

He's absolutely not "a flat-out con man with some kind of agenda". That's a really unintelligent thing to say. It means straight away that you've not watched all his material (maybe you don't know how much there is to watch!), and certainly never met him or been to a conference where he's speaking.

You're correct about the etymology. Jordan get some of that quite wrong, and I've brought it to his attention. I recommended that he should not put so much emphasis on that where he can easily be shown to be incorrect. But as I said above, other things I thought were nonsense (like the root of Cardinal meaning 'hinge', which I had felt sure was wrong) turned out to be exactly right!

I don't know the truth behind the legal issue you brought up, but I suspect it was a set-up... there have been quite a few of those, which Jordan has told me about. You can be sure that Jordan has been attacked many, many times in some very clever ways, by very clever enemies. But I don't recall all the details he told me, which were off-record over dinner in an uncaptured conversation.

[blue777]

Hello Grizzom , hello Bill
How do we discern who is peddling snake oil and who is not?...discernment is very difficult, on one hand we have many videos on this foum from people like Maxwell....etc how do we discern if it is truth, reality..do we use intuition alone......mr grizzom why do you think mr maxwell is peddling snake oil what is the reason behind it?...Bill , if you think these people are telling us the truth what is the bottom line of discernment...come on gentlemen let us get to the truth......all people who peddle snake oil will be given the Scorpion Sting .....
lol
blue
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