Born into a secret Bloodline Order - How I got introduced to the world of Occultism

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"The average man seeks certainty in the eyes of the onlooker and calls that self- confidence. The warrior seeks impeccability in his own eyes and calls that humbleness."
"...the black magicians. Think for a moment, can you deviate from the path that they've lined up for you? No. Your thoughts and your actions are fixed forever in their terms. That is slavery."
"Warriors fight self importance as a matter of strategy, not principle. Your mistake is to understand what I say in terms of morality."
carlos castaneda

[Edward Alexander]

Sorry for having been to busy to really contribute with much lately, I'll try catch up as soon its possible for me.

Regarding those comments on me being a Grand Master: I do NOT claim that I am some sort of spiritual master, guru, prophet, wise man, or any such thing, in no way am I saying that I am of more knowledge, enlightened, worth, or anything else, than anyone else of you. Grand Master, as someone above kindly pointed out, is a TITLE. It is NOT something I just call myself, it is the representation of what position I have in the ORDER - not as person. It is the common title given to the person leading and in charge of such orders and societies and has nothing to do with my own knowledge, insights, understanding and so on, except for having such within the Order of course, and I never intended to come forth as someone perceiving himself as some sort of Guru or Master, I am strongly against such terms as I said earlier, we are ALL Masters & Teachers, we ALL have something to learn that others can teach, and we all got something to teach, that others can learn from us.

Just wanted to make that part clear, since a lot of confusion seem to have been the result of people not being aware of this, and to some degree I may be to blame for that myself since I did not think of the fact that many people probably are not familiar with such titles.

Thus, I do NOT claim to be any Master or Guru or any form of "Authority" in anything. Nor do I want anyone to perceive me that way as I do not want to be taken for anything more than anyone else.

Thanks, and I will get back to properly respond all those previous posts as soon as I can but felt I had to clear up this.

-EA

[Edward Alexander]

Posted by StateOfTheHeart (here)
Edward, your take on hypnosis, the role of the third eye (pineal) and the human body in general doesn’t resonate with me.

You posed the question:

Posted by Edward Alexander (here)
Why would a phenomena like this exist at all in human beings, for what purpose, and how did it get part of our physiological makeup? There's absolutely no logical sense to it…

Could the purpose of hypnosis not be as part of some repair kit?

Using the analogy of the human body as a computer: The computer may be infected with a virus and cease functioning properly - now, computers have no innate healing mechanism, so - at this point the options are to use specialised anti-virus software, to identify and remove the virus, or otherwise completely wipe the hard-drive and reinstall the OS or finally purchase a completely new computer, a new set of hardware.

To minimise costs and losses, the preferred method is obviously anti-virus software

Now back to the case of the human body: the mind may be ‘infected’ by poor conditioning (virus: self-directed or otherwise), such as substance or emotional addiction etc., which severely affects proper function. Humans do have an innate self-healing mechanism but suppose the necessary will were lacking... Short of the fatal remedy of suicide (new PC) or a catastrophic nervous breakdown (HD wipe, reinstall OS) – may not hypnosis (anti-virus) be used to identify the fault and re-write that conditioning to aid the individual onto a process of proper healing? That makes logical sense to me.

(Unlike you, I have no personal experience on the matter – merely raising a point for discussion – though have heard of interesting hypnosis experiences (Psych-K, regression))
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Well, if Hypnosis was part of an automatic self-defense procedure, compared to a Computer with an Antivirus Software installed that monitors everything and takes action to remove "intrusions" and "viruses", that could have made a valid point.

The case however is that hypnosis is NOT automatic, it is not something that protects you in any way whatsoever, to the contrary it is more like the very virus that ALLOWS access to the Computer, as a backdoor, a trojan. It is possible to use hypnosis to gain extreme control and influence over people, as I'm sure you agree, and also as seen as a major method for mind control, programming, brainwashing and so on.

It is not to say hypnosis can't be used for anything beneficial, as obviously that is the goal of Hypnotherapy and such, but this still needs an "operator", the Hypnotist, to access the Person, and put something good into the system - somewhat comparable to how one could use a backdoor in someones computer system, a virus that is, to do good work and not harm even though the reason the backdoor / virus exist is to do harm.

The fact of the matter remains, that hypnosis and its related methods is mainly used for negative purposes in the world, and there is no logic in implementing per design a system into a human being that would be so open for abuse if its real intention was to serve for something good.

Posted by StateOfTheHeart (here)
Regarding your statement:

Posted by Edward Alexander (here)
…humans are per design created to be as open as possible in so many different ways to truly maximize the effects of influence and create a high success rate for achieving such manipulation.

I would have to agree; and while I don’t think any form of external control is positive, I don’t see negative exploitation as being the only purpose or explanation…

For analogy: Plants have receptor sites for sunlight, fresh air and healthy nutrients but may be subjected to nasty artificial light, polluted air and toxic fertiliser. Likewise, children have eyes, ears and other senses such that they may be presented with truth, joy and other positive experiences – or they may be given hell…

How is it that the human faculties and the technique of hypnosis only have negative purposes?

May we not be showered in love and positive information (which I believe we are - see Sun) – rather than the current influx which you’ve mentioned prior and which we are all well aware of?

I feel that the approach you’ve taken to hypnosis, the pineal gland and the human body in general is biased in a negative way and may cause an unnecessary dismissal or resentment to potentially useful tools for the individual and I'd be interested to hear your reasoning behind such a conclusion.

Again, as said above, these elements of our being CAN be used beneficially if used properly and with understanding and correct applications. That is more about us taking advantage of the discovery of these systems implemented with the purpose of controlling us, and rather "backfire" upon its actual function and purpose.

Of course these elements of our being ARE useful tools thus when appropriately approached and can be used to great beneficial and benevolent applications. And learning to do so, and taking positive use of these implemented systems, instead of staying in what I can only call an state open for intrusion, would be something everyone should do.

[Edward Alexander]

Posted by panopticon (here)
G'day Edward Alexander,

Thank you for the discussion and your calm courteous demeanor.

Many sages have counseled against the deliberate cultivation of "siddhi" (supernatural powers).
Siddhi are viewed as distractions to "self-awareness".
You have made mention of them repeatedly.

I am curious why?

I am not familiar with eastern / buddhistic terminology so I had to check your link. But if I understand your question correctly, you are asking why I promote to develop and understand such "supernatural powers", or "psychic abilities"?

If that is the question, the answer is that doing so can be the first path towards the work on "self-awareness" for a large amount of people. Working on systems that stimulate and increases such "abilities" also stimulates and increases your level of self-awareness, and can make a person more easily obtain more insightful experiences from other more direct work towards Self-Realization and understanding. I'm not promoting the mere work of only focusing on such abilities themselves, but to experience them and understand more about yourself and what you are, where the goal should be to venture on and continue on your path of exploration of self towards higher levels of experiences and awareness.

Understanding such aspects of Self also makes you understand more about your connection with the world, other people, events taking place, how you can and do influence and affect different aspects of your reality and the results you get back as the effects of such, and so on.

Posted by panopticon (here)
Many of the techniques and philosophies you mention are familiar to me.
Your explanation for the many Tutankhamen re-incarnates, for example, is not unusual within Eastern (or "Easternised") philosophies.
Many of your posts/explanations are what I would classify as "alternative mainstream" and do not extend beyond "a well trod path".

I would ask what is your purpose to this?
You appear to have one beyond your writings and information dissemination (this is not to say an alternative sinister purpose, just something more).

Again, the purpose of this relates to what I answered above regarding such "powers" and "abilities" as a tool towards the path of Self-Awareness and deeper understanding. There are of course also truths in what you call "alternative mainstream" and the "well trod path" which reflects itself in some of what I write myself, whether I'm aware or not of such being present in this "mainstream" or part of such "well trod paths". My goal on a longer perspective is to help make people aware of certain aspects of reality, themselves and existence, that they can take into consideration and explore, and assist with some practical advice on how to do so with the aim of reaching higher levels of understanding, awareness and ultimately full Self-Realization through their own experiences and observations.

Posted by panopticon (here)
By saying you are from a "secret blood-line" and that you are a "Grand Master" you are creating a form of credentialism for yourself so as to give a form of authority to your words. This seems to have "rubbed people up the wrong way" and detracted from your presentation.

Why would you (or anyone without alternative motives) do this?

Introducing myself as who I am, and my background, served the purpose of letting people know where I have my experience from, what it is based upon, what I've been involved with, and how I've reached the conclusions of the claims I make. It is an overall important part of my life and how I've gotten to where I am, and also an important reason to how I can claim to have knowledge about certain topics relating to areas that connects directly with such secret orders and their involvements, whether "good" or "bad" and where I personally stand in my opinion on such. It is also to inform people about the many misconceptions about such orders, their agendas, practices etc. Then people can make up their own minds from what I say, and hopefully do their own work towards finding the truth themselves which ultimately I can never give them, and they are all completely responsible for themselves.

-EA

[Edward Alexander]

Posted by Cognitive Dissident (here)
OK, glad to see there's no Crowley connection. Here's my take on this. EA gets some credit in my book for returning and being calm and polite in responding to questions/criticism. That's a good sign, but of course just a beginning. Also good that Bill gave that positive if not overwhelming reference earlier.
The whole thing about secrecy, secret societies, my feeling is that they belong to the past. We don't need secrecy any more, it has done so much harm. Now, I'm not saying that everyone has to know all the advanced astral techniques which can be used for harm if in the wrong hands, etc etc. To put it very simply, the problem in this world is not that people don't have enough knowledge of esoteric/occult techniques/knowledge, it is that (over simplification) there is too much technology and not enough wisdom. Not enough spiritual awareness. And the techniques for spiritual awareness - meditation, compassion, self-awareness, forgiveness, etc, are not exactly complicated. It is applying them that is the problem.
So, I'll give whatever spiritual techniques EA suggests, a spin (when he has time to present them and I have time to try them!).
In the meantime, hopefully we all aspire to make this a forum where we practice what we believe in - for me, that's treat others as I would be treated, so at this point I will say thank to EA for an interesting thread, we will see what comes of it.
PS: by an interesting "co-incidence" EA just posted as I was writing. I take this as a positive sign and will give the guided meditation a spin.

Thanks for the opinion and viewpoint. I agree to what you say, and one of my reasons is to make some "secrets" more public so it can be put in positive use and benefit everyone more directly instead of just indirectly.

Hope you will find some use in what I have to give.

-EA

[Edward Alexander]

Posted by conec (here)
QUESTION : Edward, are you aware of the Carlos Castenada books?

One thing that really stands out for me is the way you describe how to get out of the cycle of living endless lives like this, which is to remain conscious when dying. What Don Juan said was (paraphrasing) the aim of the sorcerer was to build up enough enery in this life so as to remain conscious at the moment of death so the the warrior would could experience the totality of all.

He also mention in only one or two sentences in those books about something influencing the human race. Interesting.

Edward, do you have an opinion on this information, or anyone else too.

Yes I've read a couple of his books and found them interesting. A lot of truth in them, and recommended reading for anyone really as its both interesting, entertaining, inspiring, spiritual and though-provoking giving something to contemplate on.

[Edward Alexander]

Posted by andrewgreen (here)
Are you of the belief that humans had to go through the period of darkness with a lack of spirituality and monolithic religions as part of our evolution. We needed to develop our individuality in order to further develop spiritually so we could again be united with higher spiritual being but not succumb to their influence. Is your job as secret societies to lead us out of the darkness?

No, to the contrary I see that dark period as something put into effect by purpose, to STOP such evolution. And yes, our mission is to aid and assist mankind towards positive progress and spiritual development, and help towards achieving self-realization and awareness of ones place in existence.

[Edward Alexander]

Posted by NewFounderHome (here)
Hello Edward,

I would like to ask a very simple question. It might even seem naïve!
Why the need of secrecy of groups, rituals, information, history and actions of certain humans.

Aren’t all humans on this earth for the same reasons?

Where and how would secrecy be good for all of human kind, good for our awareness and good for this earth?

Peace and love to you all.

I explained this previously, but to put it shortly the reason for secrecy is due to such knowledge they consist of or can give have a high potential for abuse, it is already being abused by others whom gained access to it such as the "Elite" and those in power now.

[Edward Alexander]

Posted by w1ndmill (here)
Hi Edward Alexander

Thanks for posting. i have two questions for you:

1.What is your opinion of Barbara Marciniak's books?
2.What is the moon?

Regards,

1. I have never read any books by this author
2. The Moon is just a moon. However, there are things about it that makes it interesting, such as bases, beings living there.

[Edward Alexander]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
I don't like how EA, you held back your orders name from us when you had created a blog though. That alone sets off some alarms for me. I also remember reading in one of the links IIRC, that you said "this new order", etc. To me, I think you are either holding a lot back, or not really an order from the 1300s of the highest creed(if thats the right word). I suggest that such an order would have a plan of operations planned for whenever it shows itself to mankind. Not just a clumsy post on forums, where you are liable to be ridiculed hardcore... I mean avalon is like the best forum for testimony there is on the planet..... I'm not saying you are clumsy by normal standards. But when I think of what the most advanced secret orders may have on this planet, I would surmise that a secret society of that breadth would have a plan for it's coming forward given it had 800 years to get that thought.

So do you have a plan to come forward EA? Or is it all just playing it by ear? I'm not saying you have to to be legit. I'm just curious.

I believe what you are referring to is the Order of Noble Knights of Co-Creation, which is a completely different order, one founded by me in collaboration with other high-initiates of different other already existing orders such as Freemasons, Rosicrucians, Martinists etc. This has come into being as a result of my work together with two grand masters of two different orders here locally where I live in establishing a new lodge. This is part of the plan you are asking about though, and it is not only my order or members there who are part of this process I am representing here, there is an involvement with several others.

Posted by Omniverse (here)
And please answer this question I came up with, but noticed someone else say very wisely. And do consider this something that will irrepairably break my trust and i bet others if you lie.

Are there any others of your order that are members on Avalon?

Yes, and there are several other orders represented here as well by their members, whom are people I know, some of them I collaborate with on various matters.

Posted by Omniverse (here)
Either way EA, you wont find ridicule from me. you may find questions that are harder to answer. Or tests of your legitimacy. But no attacks. I do not like the attacks I see happening to you, for a major reasons I said, and others.

Thanks, appreciated.

-EA

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Edward: I have something to say that might be important and maybe not. Even though I think you are completely naive on the issue of vegans and the horrors of corporatism in the western cultures; I can immediately recognize you as a totally sincere person who has no intention of dominating, controlling or manipulating anyone. That is totally obvious to me but the only reason it is so obvious to me is because I have a lot of experience with sincere and honest people. You may not realize what types of people others have been exposed to, particularly lately. I think most people now have been lied to so much their heads are spinning. When the world is so bad, that even a person who is just trying to say what he/she thinks is suspect I think we have to say we are all in a lot of trouble.

[panopticon]

G'day Big Ed,

Thank you for your direct response. It is a refreshing change to some.

Your statement:

Posted by Edward Alexander (here)
I'm not promoting the mere work of only focusing on such abilities themselves, but to experience them and understand more about yourself and what you are, where the goal should be to venture on and continue on your path of exploration of self towards higher levels of experiences and awareness... Understanding such aspects of Self also makes you understand more about your connection with the world, other people, events taking place, how you can and do influence and affect different aspects of your reality and the results you get back as the effects of such, and so on.

Illustrates a point that, from my perspective, is important for any who are interested in the cultivation of "self-awareness".
Unfortunately many endeavour to cultivate these "abilities" as an end point outcome without realising, again from my perspective, they are merely distractions. In other words, to deliberately cultivate siddhi re-enforces the illusion/ego and often decreases the understanding of, as you say, 'Self-Awareness and deeper understanding'.

In regards to your introducing yourself as a "Grand Master" etc.
I understand that by doing so you place your opinions/comments in context.
I still don't understand the reason for your needing to do so but shall not dwell on it.

Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[Edward Alexander]

Thanks for your opinions and being forward. Appreciate your kindness.

cheers

[NewFounderHome]

Posted by Edward Alexander (here)

Posted by NewFounderHome (here)
Hello Edward,

I would like to ask a very simple question. It might even seem naïve!
Why the need of secrecy of groups, rituals, information, history and actions of certain humans.

Aren’t all humans on this earth for the same reasons?

Where and how would secrecy be good for all of human kind, good for our awareness and good for this earth?

Peace and love to you all.

I explained this previously, but to put it shortly the reason for secrecy is due to such knowledge they consist of or can give have a high potential for abuse, it is already being abused by others whom gained access to it such as the "Elite" and those in power now.

I understand that it can have been valid in the past. And the secrecy path has been used right until now, it might have done some good in the past and some might even say then it could have been far worst if it was not done in secrecy. But we don’t know if noting was done in secrecy how all of humanity would really use the new information and would they really let the same kind of elite over them. I t might be the time to change!

Peace and love to you all.

[The One]

Can you be more specific on this

Yes, and there are several other orders represented here as well by their members, whom are people I know, some of them I collaborate with on various matters

Various matters of what

[sygh]

The reason for, and the responsibility of, keeping a secret doesn't always lay solely upon the shoulders of the secretor, or the secret society. Had Newton been born in an earlier time (in our not so distant past), the PTB would have tried him as a heretic. They would have burned him while tied to a stake. Adding insult to injury, the crowd standing around would have cheered it on. But we do have Newton's Laws of Physics, don't we, because the era he was born into was favorable. This information is no longer secret and thus, we know Newton's III Law of Physics which states: For every action, there is always an equal reaction of equal magnitude.

Some people don't know this, while others do but don't necessarily think about it, one way or another. The most important aspect of any knowledge is when that knowledge is put to use. There will always be an outer group of people who rely upon the absolute morality of the inner group of people who do carry and utilize differing types of knowledge. So, we are all, in one respect or another, like the character Blanche Dubois, "Whoever you are, I have always depended on the kindness of strangers
." -}

Newton deals with physics and physics deals with the physical. So, why am I mentioning it here? This thread attempts to mix physics with metaphysics, and it seems to be going along quite nicely. For instance:

There is potential energy, then energy under pressure (as in a hydroelectric plant) which is stored, and then there is the kinetic energy which is working energy. Equate this to metaphysics which states from the spirit, to the mental, to the physical. (Potential energy, stored energy, kinetic energy).

While knowledge can be open to the public, there will also always be those people who utilize our sacred knowledge (, and yes, it is sacred, as is our mission on this earth), for immoral purposes, and ill-gotten gain. Like energy, energy in the form of 100% is pure. Split that energy apart, and we still have 100% of the quantity but the quality of the energy will differ, and often times react upon its self.

[sygh]

Question:

Concerning death, as in birth, it is most correct to be alert in the dying process, in order to escape from the cycle of reincarnation, as is the same mode of being in a state of awareness in meditation.

With that knowledge, Edward, are you aware of the reason(s) why you are still with us? Or, is this just one of the many U (s) from the split that chose to forget how to take the next step in order to be here at this time, etc...? I understand what you have said your purpose was. What I'm really trying to get at is finding out just how low the psyches of the others have sunk by comparison to the compassion, or rather, the passion of your society for its purpose. You are probably aware, most of us here are rouges, whether we want to admit it or not. Not that we have ever belonged to a secret society of the fashion we speak of here, we just have some of the knowledge.

[Edward Alexander]

Posted by The One (here)
Can you be more specific on this

Yes, and there are several other orders represented here as well by their members, whom are people I know, some of them I collaborate with on various matters

Various matters of what

Matters dealing with how to approach the broader public, what kind of work we will be participating in and how to carry it out properly, establishing a new more open dialogue with the masses, how to put our real agenda and who we are into the general awareness, clearing up misconceptions and the mainly negative viewpoints people have towards us and secret orders and what we stand for, and last but not least build a new and stronger force against the ones that are ruling the world and deceiving mankind.

[Edward Alexander]

Posted by sygh (here)
Question:

Concerning death, as in birth, it is most correct to be alert in the dying process, in order to escape from the cycle of reincarnation, as is the same mode of being in a state of awareness in meditation.

With that knowledge, Edward, are you aware of the reason(s) why you are still with us? Or, is this just one of the many U (s) from the split that chose to forget how to take the next step in order to be here at this time, etc...? I understand what you have said your purpose was. What I'm really trying to get at is finding out just how low the psyches of the others have sunk by comparison to the compassion, or rather, the passion of your society for its purpose. You are probably aware, most of us here are rouges, whether we want to admit it or not. Not that we have ever belonged to a secret society of the fashion we speak of here, we just have some of the knowledge.

Yes I'm very aware of why I'm here, and the reason for me being here is to continue my work and mission which is to assist mankind and help people understand themselves and existence and be able to distinguish the false from truth, where the main focus being on teaching people how to progress through their own personal experiences. The Society is the People, and if they change, Society changes.

[Edward Alexander]

As a sidenote to the above, anyone can check our official position, intentions and agenda from the general "manifesto" of this new collaboration of high-initiates of different Orders & Society through our public website: www.Co-Creation.tk