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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    Quote Posted by MorningSong (here)
    Yet...on the other hand we have.... this very long and informative article:

    Quote NASA, White House, operatives pushing psyops meme around Comet Elenin
    Seattle Exopolitics Examiner
    July 8, 2011

    A subtle psyops – psychological warfare operation – intended to engender public fear and apprehension around Comets Elenin, Levy and Honda (all expected to pass near Earth in the Fall of 2011) may be part of a future false flag environmental war attack on specific human settlements and populations using the HAARP-Chemtrails tectonic and weather warfare system.

    Statements by NASA officials, the White House, and specific statements falsely attributed to operatives formerly associated with NASA such as Richard C. Hoagland infer or explicitly state that Comet Elenin’s near passage to Earth may create an “extinction level event (ELE)”.

    ....................................................(please do read)...................................
    http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-...#ixzz1RpFeXrVl
    This article is very important reading and IMO, the most important aspect is the number 3 bullet point from the article below.

    3. We should be outspoken in exposing those who attempt to promote the Comet Elenin psyops. In the words of the AIDS awareness movement of the early 1980s, "Silence = Death".
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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    On "words"...

    Quote 'Somethin BIG Is Comin'!
    By Jim Kirwan
    9-4-11
    The last time I beat another human being to within an inch of his life I learned 'something.' This happened so long ago that just being in a street fight did not yet mean that you'd be killed or worse. The 'being' I had just crippled was lying in a pool of his own blood and waste, on busted pieces of asphalt in a nameless alley on a moonless night. His twisted body lay just inches from his smashed weapon and from his ruined mouth these words fell out.

    "It weren't noth'in It were jist words. . . why'd ya have to go and get so hot about it?"

    Then he blacked out.

    Yes 'something BIG is still coming' and now all these years later apparently among the powers that be today; words still have no real meaning in themselves and are only there (at the core of government) to be used and abused for power and the omnipotence of their inherent "right" to rule. However there are still those of us that believe in ourselves; (And not this criminal government) so this contest is really just beginning!

    The U.S. Constitution and the US Bill of Rights are also 'jist words' It don't mean noth'in ­ do it?"
    Full article: http://www.rense.com/general94/something.htm

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    Default Re: Pics of Nibiru/Elenin/Elvis next to the Sun!

    Quote Posted by Solphilos (here)
    That could not be a lens flare. Could it? Please validate my irrational beliefs by agreeing with my speculations!

    Okay, enough of the sarcasm. As can be plainly seen from these two shabby images, artifacts and illusions are commonplace and should never be hastily considered as proof of any preconceived ideas or beliefs. Discernment and skepticism are allies of those seeking truth, as are logic, reason and intuition.

    L.V.X.

    I want to preface my comments by stating that I am not saying those photos do or do not show Elenin or Nibiru (or both).

    Take a few deep breaths, calm down and put on your skeptics hat. Most of us WANT to see Elenin/Nibiru. Some of us want so badly to see it that we allow ourselves to be fooled, more often than not.

    I have seen literally hundreds of photos on the internet that were claimed to be 100% proof of Nibiru or Elenin - since 2002. I have even taken lots of similar photos myself. In the excitement of my search for Nibiru, I was certain I had captured it on camera - but a very simple test, described below, proved that I was wrong. I had photographed lens flare and other anomolies.

    I'm sorry, I deleted all of my false Nibiru photos so I can't post them here to show you examples of what I am trying to explain - but it is actually very easy to reproduce "false Nibiru" photos, with ANY camera.

    A simple way to confirm or refute whether we are seeing lens flare is to take several photos with the Sun in different positions within the image. For example, position the Sun in the centre of one photo, then in the top left of the next photo, then top right, bottom left and bottom right in the next three photos. Sometimes you don't even need to take photos to see the lens flare - just look at the image on the camera's LCD screen while you move the camera.

    If the additional bright spots (Elenin/Nibiru?) remain in the same position(s) relative to the sun, in each of the photos, then it is very unlikely to be lens flare. Conversely, if you notice the additional bright spots seem to change positions, relative to the sun, in a series of photos taken in quick succession, then it is very likely that what you are seeing is a lens flare or reflection inside the lens or a CCD sensor anomaly and not Elenin/Nibiru.

    Another potential problem to consider is that when you aim digital cameras at bright lights, it can cause an image to be temporarily "burned" onto the image sensor which can linger for several seconds - and thus the "burnt" image can appear on subsequent photos. If this occurs, the burnt image does not change position but it will fade and disappear after a few seconds.

    This phenomenon is very similar to what happens with our eyes when we look at a bright light or object, then look away and blink repeatedly - we can see an image of the bright light or object temporarily "burned" onto our retinas. If this type of image burn occurs in your photos, simply cover the lens or point the camera away from the bright light or object, then wait a few seconds before taking another photo.


    Photographic "proof" is not always proof. The following photos illustrate the point.

    I was told this was some kind of dragon/poltergeist that came out of the TV and flew through the house. After seeing the "light dragon" in the first couple of photos, the photographer took several more pictures using the high-speed multi-shot feature of his high-end digital camera. Everywhere the photographer aimed the camera, the "light dragon" was still there in each photo, so he was convinced the "light dragon" came out of the TV and flew through the house. Spooky!!

    The first time I saw the first picture below, my honest reaction was "that is the most freaky photo I have ever seen in my life." I was told it was a dragon so I saw a dragon. After a few seconds, I noticed that the "light dragon" was merely lots of burned images of the TV screen streaking across the photo.


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    There is a simple explanation. The photographer was playing with his new camera while the lens was pointing towards the TV before he took each photo. The image of the TV screen was so bright, relative to the dimly lit room, that the CCD sensor in the camera was overloaded - aka "image burn". When the photos were taken, the image burn appeared in the photos. This effect only lasts for a few seconds, so the image burn did not appear in every photo.

    The photographer was convinced the dragon was coming from the TV. He was able to "prove" it to himself by getting the mysterious dragon to reappear each time he aimed the camera at the TV. He was partly correct - the "dragon" did come from the TV - but it is definitely not some paranormal phenomenon.

    In summary, the points I am making is that ALL lenses and ALL digital camera CCD sensors are imperfect and they can often cause strange visual effects that sometimes look "real". It's in the photo, so it must be real. Right? WRONG!

    Our eyes often deceive us when our minds are made up because we WANT to see something such as Elenin, Nibiru or a light dragon.

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    Default Re: Pics of Nibiru/Elenin/Elvis next to the Sun!

    I posted this on another Elenin / Nibiru thread... I think its interesting enough to post again....
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    Default Re: Pics of Nibiru/Elenin/Elvis next to the Sun!

    Quote Posted by Fenexrep (here)
    Go to Google Sky, type in a search for Mercury, then switch to infrared. Its been there for a while. Practical joke by Google? Or is it the real deal?
    Whether it is Nibiru or not, perhaps only a few people know for sure. One big problem with Google Earth and Google Sky is that the images are old before they get published and it can be YEARS between updates of the images. So if that image in Google Sky is Nibiru, it is certainly NOT in the same position now.

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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    Science is good and has many differing sides, aspects and opinions associated. This article below written by Dr. Michael Salla stresses several viewpoints concerning what has happened to Elenin which, according to this article, may not be a comet at all.

    Interesting reading.


    Did Comet Elenin disintegrate or reveal an artificial energy shield?
    September 3, 2011. Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.

    According to an increasing number of astronomers including its discoverer, Comet Elenin (C/2010 X1) has begun disintegrating. It was hit directly by a coronal mass ejection (CME) from the sun on August 19, and soon began loosing visibility - suggesting it was breaking up. In contrast, respected science author Richard C. Hoagland claims that an unmistakable tetrahedral energy shield was displayed by Elenin during the CME confirming beyond any doubt that it is indeed an artificial structure – a space ship.

    Yet the August 22-30 satellite data shows that claims of Elenin’s break up may not be as conclusive as first thought, despite the period of diminishing luminosity recorded by Mattiazzo. In fact, Elenin appears to have regained luminosity during its passage suggesting that there is some other explanation for what was earlier observed.

    Also, the reported break-up of Elenin in two witnessed in the video was false. What the footage actually showed was Elenin briefly passing over another stellar object giving the appearance that Elenin was breaking into two.

    The recent conflicting conclusions on comet Elenin do appear to be a premature dismissal of it as a weak insignificant comet about to break up, or having already broken up as its discoverer now believes due to a drop in its brightness. In contrast, the tetrahedral geometric structure observed by Hoagland suggests that it is more than just an ordinary comet, and in fact is an artificial object protected by an advanced geometric energy shield – a space ship. If Elenin is not a comet but an artificial structure, that may explain changes in its brightness. This may be why there appears to be so much disinformation surrounding Comet Elenin trying to deflect public interest from it. Hoagland’s claims, startingly as they are, appear to be supported by the most recent satellite images of Elenin showing a unique geometric structure surrounding it.

    http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-109.htm
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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    Quote Posted by Snowbird (here)
    Science is good and has many differing sides, aspects and opinions associated. This article below written by Dr. Michael Salla stresses several viewpoints of what has happened to Elenin which, according to this article, may not be a comet at all.

    Interesting reading.


    Did Comet Elenin disintegrate or reveal an artificial energy shield?
    September 3, 2011. Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.

    According to an increasing number of astronomers including its discoverer, Comet Elenin (C/2010 X1) has begun disintegrating. It was hit directly by a coronal mass ejection (CME) from the sun on August 19, and soon began loosing visibility - suggesting it was breaking up. In contrast, respected science author Richard C. Hoagland claims that an unmistakable tetrahedral energy shield was displayed by Elenin during the CME confirming beyond any doubt that it is indeed an artificial structure – a space ship.

    Yet the August 22-30 satellite data shows that claims of Elenin’s break up may not be as conclusive as first thought, despite the period of diminishing luminosity recorded by Mattiazzo. In fact, Elenin appears to have regained luminosity during its passage suggesting that there is some other explanation for what was earlier observed.

    Also, the reported break-up of Elenin in two witnessed in the video was false. What the footage actually showed was Elenin briefly passing over another stellar object giving the appearance that Elenin was breaking into two.

    The recent conflicting conclusions on comet Elenin do appear to be a premature dismissal of it as a weak insignificant comet about to break up, or having already broken up as its discoverer now believes due to a drop in its brightness. In contrast, the tetrahedral geometric structure observed by Hoagland suggests that it is more than just an ordinary comet, and in fact is an artificial object protected by an advanced geometric energy shield – a space ship. If Elenin is not a comet but an artificial structure, that may explain changes in its brightness. This may be why there appears to be so much disinformation surrounding Comet Elenin trying to deflect public interest from it. Hoagland’s claims, startingly as they are, appear to be supported by the most recent satellite images of Elenin showing a unique geometric structure surrounding it.

    http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-109.htm
    very interesting to say the least........

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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    Argument against the "explosion" speculation from the horse's mouth himself:

    Quote The Breakup of Comet Elenin•September 5, 2011 •


    Leonid Elenin

    We have been getting a lot of emails from people telling us that comet elenin has not broken up because they have seen recent pictures of it.
    Unfortunately we cannot keep on answering the same question again and again to convince people that the comet has indeed broken up.
    Instead we would like to refer people to Leonid Elenin’s new post on his blog where he talks more about how the comet is breaking up and the opportunity it gives us to study the comet.
    Note in his post where he states the following:
    On images from Sept. 1st in the comet’s coma there was no condensation visible, and that meant the comet had already broken up into fairly small pieces, with a maximum size of not more than a hundred meters.
    Such a breakup of small comets passing near the Sun is not rare, and in that is nothing surprising. I note that this is a breakup, not an explosion. All the pieces continue to move on the comet’s trajectory. The large fragments are likely to continue to disintegrate into smaller ones. It is possible that in October when the comet moves into the morning sky, we will no longer be able to see what once was Comet Elenin.
    This is exactly what we are seeing in recent pictures.

    http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/09/03/co...inal-prospect/
    From: http://sydneystargazers.com/

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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    Everything Ok, Elenin is broken, I believe it. But here is a small question. Did all that official sources really that 7 billion people (-them off course) saw in a Stereo images coming the energetic wave from the sun. Well if I know something about left and right as an idiot in which Leonid converted me with this commentary, the wave came from the right side and the sun was on it's left. and I am sure that did not came from Jupiter which maybe was in the same 2d plan but far far away in the space. it looks that it came from something else. There are theories even theories which to me are quite believable, but ok, we do not have any proof. but Stereo images are some kind of "scientific" proof. And the last lie is also enormously stupid.

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    Default Re: Pics of Nibiru/Elenin/Elvis next to the Sun!

    Hi Guys, I took these pictures in April of 2011 with my Nokia 6700 cell phone.
    How can we all be getting lens flares with the same image ?
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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    Quote Posted by vibrations (here)
    Everything Ok, Elenin is broken, I believe it. But here is a small question. Did all that official sources really that 7 billion people (-them off course) saw in a Stereo images coming the energetic wave from the sun. Well if I know something about left and right as an idiot in which Leonid converted me with this commentary, the wave came from the right side and the sun was on it's left. and I am sure that did not came from Jupiter which maybe was in the same 2d plan but far far away in the space. it looks that it came from something else. There are theories even theories which to me are quite believable, but ok, we do not have any proof. but Stereo images are some kind of "scientific" proof. And the last lie is also enormously stupid.
    Once upon a time there was a puny comet that got curious about some outback solar system and got hit by a CME...

    All right, Elenin first got hit by a CME from the Sun around August 20.

    Then there was all the hype about it getting hit by a lens flare from Jupiter; see this video:


    Now, in order to make up your own mind about all this, you can concoct your own movie about it.

    Go to this site: http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/images

    Enter the data compatible with your computer/screen capacity.

    Here is a screen shot of the data I entered:

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    The dates between August 15 and Sept. 03, Behind HI1, resolution 1024X1024, slideshow... search...

    Comet Elenin starts from the lower left corner, Sun to the left, Mercury and Jupiter to the right.

    Here is an approximate configuration of the planets around those times:

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    Enjoy the show!
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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    Well that could not be clearer AmzerZo
    Thank you for taking the time to help us understand what is actually gong on regarding Elenin

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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    This is a wee bit interesting, probably a coincidence. President Obama is going to be at the Denver airport in late September( I believe 9-27). That would be convenient if he needed a deep underground base.

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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    Quote Posted by Mandala (here)
    This is a wee bit interesting, probably a coincidence. President Obama is going to be at the Denver airport in late September( I believe 9-27). That would be convenient if he needed a deep underground base.

    There are no such things as coincidences with TPTW. Of all of the cities in the world he could be during that couple of days, what are the chances of Denver being the choice? LOL!!! So tiny as to be NOT A COINCIDENCE!

    Thanks for finding that, Mandala!
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    Default Re: Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates.

    About that so-called "tetrahedron"... that thing has been bugging me to no end and I couldn't settle it to any satisfactory manner until I read something from an aeronautical engineer.

    Here is how this thing evolved, starting from Hoagland's unique composite frame from which his "uncontestable" proof and confirmation of his speculations:

    Quote Here is the latest Enterprise Elenin imaging (below) -- produced from an original NASA STEREO-B satellite video, the latter recorded during Elenin's recent encounter with a solar CME (coronal mass ejection), August 19th.

    The new image-composite (made from THREE "40-second HI-1 camera frames") reveals several additional, startling details about Elenin's now strikingly "tetrahedral shield" (which we discovered only last week) -- that is apparently protecting "Elenin the spacecraft" (deep inside this shield) from excess solar radiation.

    The well-known technique of "stacking" independent image frames, to "increase signal and suppress noise," is an old one -- used successfully by professional and amateur astronomers alike. On this composite image, the brighter "knobs" at the apex of each of the three visible tetrahedral vertices can now easily be seen, as well as the striking "rounded symmetry" of each tetrahedral "vertex."
    The full dimensions of this extraordinary "geometric force structure" now measures more than ~300,000 miles along each edge -- more than 1.5 times the distance of Earth from the Moon!

    Needless to say, there is NO QUESTION now regarding the artificial nature of this object/structure; in several hundred years of astronomers observing comets -- including, over two decades of satellite imagery specifically to study interactions with the solar wind -- such an obviously ARTIFICIAL, GEOMETRIC structure has NEVER BEEN OBSERVED.

    The fact that this astonishing structure is also a precise "tetrahedron" -- echoing the deeply "tetrahedral" numbers associated with Elenin's very trajectory into the inner solar system! -- is even more extraordinary. It definitely confirms that the overwhelming "message of Elenin" is--

    "Hyperdimensional Physics!"
    So, first of all, that singular frame is a stacking/superimposition of three 40-second exposures. In short, it's a patchwork.

    Here is the video of Elenin being hit with the Sun's CME and from which the frames to constitute the composite have been taken from:


    Now, with that video in mind and the characteristics of the surrounding stars: all pixelleted into squares, etc... here came the rescue:


    From: http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/117758-Comet-Elenin-again/page3
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    Originally Posted by Don J
    Hoagland pretend that the tetrahedron is a"geometric force shield "protecting the central object...

    Since the comet appears to be distintegrating, I guess they should have gone with the underbody rustproofing too.

    Hoagland starts with the conclusion that Elenin is a spacecraft and then interprets the rest of the observations around that. Circular argument, tetrahedral "force shield."

    Of course we aren't told what a "force shield" is. That's because it's pure science fiction. We aren't told how Hoagland determined that's what it was. The fog that populates other areas of the image is apparently unremarkable, despite it being of the same visual character as the fog around Elenin. So if it's around Elenin, it's a "force shield." If it's elsewhere in the image, it's ordinary dust, dispersion, noise, or whatever. Hoagland only ventures to explain part of the fog.

    As he did with the formations at Cydonia on Mars, Hoagland imposes the notion of regularity on the image. He says it's "perfectly" regular in a geometric, but it visibly is not. That raises the same specter that we always have to confront when dealing with Hoagland's claims: how far can you be off and still be "perfect?" At a certain point the eye rectifies near-regular geometries as part of our highly-developed pattern-based vision. Real photo analysis has to move to numerical methods in order to sidestep this artifact of human vision. Hoagland rarely does that.

    The problem with setting up a not-quite-perfect shape as a perfect shape is that the alleged perfection then becomes the only argument for artificiality. "Such a perfect shape cannot arise in nature, therefore it must be artificial." But near-regular processes occur all the time in nature. So the degree of perfection becomes the important element.

    He sees three bright patches near Elenin, roughly centered on it and forming a nearly equilateral triangle. He interprets them as the visible edges of some tetrahedral structure. But a triangle is not a tetrahedron. You can interpret it that way only if you assume one of the four cardinal axes of the tetrahedron is aligned with your line of sight. That's convenient for a happenstance image such as this. Most real-world photography of regular shapes in chance encounters does not capture them in a canonical orientation.

    Further, Hoagland argues that the vertices of his tetrahedron are perfect circles. Really, Richard? Are you going to say that the product of considerable image processing, deconvolution, and filtration is circular, and that this is proof of regularity rather than an artifact of the circular support for the relevant algorithms?

    Needless to say, it's pure Hoagland: lots and lots of imagination and no science.
    That's where the whole spinned tale goes into a tail spin and falls apart:

    The cherry-picking and isolation of specific data from a backgorund of contradictory ones to fit the theory.

    Never mind that the Sun exhibits such tentacular "force fields" as well... errr... particles stream... errr... dust... whatever!

    OMG! The Sun is a piloted spaceship too! Did you see how it CMEd/spat at that Elenin intruder? Did that to comet Neat too!

    Nobody messes with our Sun, eh!?

    Here is someone else's view on the same subject:


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    at the end of the cycle we'll return to cosmic consciousness ("three days of darkness") and decide on our future development by entering the timeline that's best for us. the splitting of timelines is the same as the splitting of earths and dimensions. our higher selves will determine which timeline / earth vibration we're going to experience. those who enter the 4th/5th dimension will retain full connection with their higher selves, those who go back to the 3rd dimension will experience the earth changes and if they live through them will eventually live without any connection to spirit. the latter could be called the "negative" timeline but it's actually just an experience like any other. without judgement there's no positive or negative. everything just is.[COLOR="red"]
    I don't believe that entirely... You will only live without any connection to spirit if you REJECT that connection. Granted, there are those that do reject that connection, but I'd hazard a guess that most people on this planet are accepting to some extent of a connection to spirit. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that 99% of our population would be very very lost if their connection to spirit were suddenly lost....

    I'll bet that the 3d earth (one could even say it would be DEvolved) will be a very sparesely populated Earth full of boring people... When we do ascend, we'll take most of the Earth with us to at least some extent - they will resisde in a 3.7/4/5/etc D reality that will be higher in vibration to the extent of their spiritual progress on this earth. Very few will have not made any spiritual progress, so very few will be "left behind"...
    sorry this post will be somewhat off-topic but i want to include an answer nevertheless.

    it's not so much a rejection of the connection with spirit as a decision by the higher self to allow that aspect of itself that has the incarnation to experience a life without any connection to spirit (or anything spiritual, such as religion). it will be an experience that's completely focused on material things. of course that's on one end of the spectrum while full connection with spirit is on the other and there will be countless stages inbetween.

    nevertheless, there are a lot of people (atheists etc.) who totally deny anything but what they see and what science has proven. these are not bad people who therefore remain in the 3rd dimension but they're at a stage in their development where they do not yet acknowledge that there is a higher guidance and that everything is not matter but consciousness.

    this has to be seen from the higher self's point of view. just like creator wants to experience every aspect of itself, and especially wants to experience being cut off from itself, so does the higher self want to have aspects of itself that have no connection to spirit.

    you're right, the 3d earth will become DEvolved, a simple result of the earth changes and what else is going to take place. there is a timeline in which the surface of earth is no longer habitable (earth too wants to have every possible experience) where people can only live underground. there are also timelines where it's possible to live on the surface but under various more or less difficult conditions.

    i often read things like "earth doesn't want to get destroyed by mankind" and stuff like that but that is not correct. seen from a higher perspective it is just an experience like every other and no judgement is made. same as a catholic priest raping a little boy, to use another example. from a human perspective you could say the priest and what he does is "negative" but from a higher perspective both are just experiences and essentially both victim and perpetrator are the creator experiencing itself.

    many different timelines have been seen by people who were hypnotically progressed into the future. that they experience them under hypnosis confirms that these timelines exist. by how many people they are experienced indicates if it's a major or minor timeline. that different people see different scenarios just means that this would be their experience from the current stage in their development which is different from person to person. by making changes in their life or spiritual development, which they'd not have made without the knowledge gained from future progression, they could even change their own timeline and thus would not have the same experience as the one they "remembered" under hypnosis. that timeline and experience still exists but is experienced by another aspect of themselves.

    an interesting book is "mass dreams of the future" which details four different scenarios (new age love & light community, post-apocalyptic scenario, high tech city scenario and life in a space station) which were the most common experiences of the subjects. basically it says that only a small percentage of all currently incarnated humans will have an experience on the 3d earth in the near future (15% or so in 2100, i don't remember the exact figures) which means that about 85% of all currently incarnated humans will have their next experience either on another planet or in another dimension.

    whichever scenario people are going to experience, i think we can conclude that a lot less human (and other) beings will be around, at least in the various 3rd dimensional timelines. those who ascend will be the ones who acknowledge the existence and their connection with spirit, give up on judgement and express the desire to give and experience unconditional love.
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    Elenin is tertrahedral spaceship video -
    what is the line running across jupiter and mercury?

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    There is nothing 'Reptoid' associated with Elenin. And its not a forced change of trajectory, its a pre-planned one.
    What do you mean by pre-planned? Who or What pre-planned the trajectory? Are you referring to it's natural course?
    When something is supposed to be moving on a route, some key changes in trajectory have to be met. You program it, "it" travels.

    Not 100% sure who is behind Elenin, I thought I knew though. I know they are supposed to be "neutral" (if that makes any more sense to you). So they can't be the Reps.

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    Could it not just be a comet, now disintegrating?
    There is no evidence to suggest anything other.
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    Could it not just be a comet, now disintegrating?
    There is no evidence to suggest anything other.
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    Only a very well trained eye (and educated background on the matter) can spot a replica of a famous work of art.

    What I'm trying to say is - things that mimic natural cosmic bodies in space, and are in fact artificial, can be recognized. The artist is never flawless.

    Yes, it appears to be just a natural comet. Mind the word "appears".

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