The mists of Avalon...? (The case of Edward Alexander)

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by StateOfTheHeart (here)
While I didn't agree with everything Edward Alexander (EA) posted, I found his contributions to be of above-average quality and often provided food for thought. I thought his real-life position was also unique and valuable to this forum.

I, too, was surprised by EA's banning... I would like to think that the mods know something we don't, or otherwise had better sight of what was going on with EA's activity... And did he receive warnings?

To the mods: It's understood that your decisions regarding membership on this forum aren't made pending public approval but, honouring transparency, could you outline what exactly EA did to deserve banning on the grounds of:

Edward was not banned for his views. Yes, some found his posts to have good substance (though not not everyone found them so ... a common situation, and that's fine.)

He was banned because his primary purpose here, as it has been for years and as we well documented from our research, a sufficient portion of which we posted, was not truth seeking, but revenue seeking.

He was a dishonest seeker of personal profit, as he has been on other major sites over the years, including for example AboveTopSecret (ATS), where he was banned two years ago, for doing much the same thing he was doing here now (as they stated on ATS, and as Edward -knows- they stated, for he quotes them in something he posted on one of his websites after the fact, so his claims above that ATS banned him for no stated reason are false, or at least artfully phrased.)

While Edward was a member here for about eight months (not the "many years" he claims, above), he had only one post until a few weeks ago, when he started several major threads in rapid succession, containing links to several of his websites, one of which he even stated was for him "to make a couple bucks" (contradicting other claims he made.)

I realize that such matters can be difficult to explain.

In these last few weeks, Edward posted much, and received many replies. Perhaps no one has read every word on each of his threads.

Members will, reasonably enough, read what they find of interest, and then be surprised when someone is banned -- for what they read seemed worth reading (they probably wouldn't have kept reading it otherwise.) We admins/mods can post our research, as we have done, but no one is likely to have read all we posted, and we only posted a small fraction of what we found. Several of us spent days checking and cross checking the information, verifying history, posts, websites, ownership of websites, ...

So, I understand. By what you saw, he should be still be here. By what I and the other admins and mods and some other members saw, he should have been banned a week sooner than he was.

Such it is.

[Ria]

Sorry, I had long interruption when making my last thread. I think AE is clear on some things, and fuzzy on others. I think my question has been answered about him. My interest is if someone has something worth while / benefit or beautiful, how do we share this.
And I definitely do not wont adverts flashing at me or creeping in round the corners.

[Marsila]

Posted by ulli (here)

instead of lamenting it, how can we change it to something positive, and help people find more civil ways of showing displeasure??

Maybe some people don't want to be civil?
I have been wondering this myself, and I don't think there are easy answers.

It is clear to me that some people have a very special gift; they realize long before others when there is a fraud amongst us.
They just KNOW, yet they have no proof....so how can they ring the warning bells in a civil manner?
They just tackle the suspect, to see how he might react...and then those reactions can show the rest of the forum who are more gullible what is really behind the "Grand Master".
Sierra's perceptiveness (as an example) is way superior to mine, and in future I will pay more attention when she cries wolf.

Hi Ulli, I agree with you, and I don't. Many times i just "KNEW" something was wrong without proof, and I was right. Many times i "KNEW" i was right without proof...only for life to show me i couldn't be more wrong.

sorry but if i'm singing a song and the tune is horrible to someone's ear, and instead of them telling me to just shut up cause i clearly have no singing talents and its clear i'm not a soprano, they come and push me over, i imagine i'd do the same to them instead of changing the tune. but i don't know i noticed i'm a passive person in real life, i can't afford to waste my energy on that, but sometimes i do.

As for the being civil part. i don't know.Just because we don't want to do something, is it okay not to do it.
when i go out i dress up nicely and etc, not because i want people to think i've got great style but because it is respectful to others whether you know them or not, to show that you've shown some consideration to people even the one's you don't know. and most of the time people reply in kind when shown a kind gesture.

I agree the moderators more than others should have a good sense about the people posting. Sierra does have age on her side to. and i agree that this ban is good for all sides involved as that guy was using this website in a way the forum guidelines said not to do so.
in addition anyone that read into these matters knows a freemason would never come and post here and say that is what he is, not after all the effort they put into getting into that "club".
Clearly from the first post above to talk about the owner off project avalon (Bill Ryan) as if they were BFF is a symptom of a huge ego problem and blindness. as this is where the vibes of 'scam' come from. So i do appreciate what the moderators here do.

but I still can't find a good excuse for being aggressive in public, in personal pm's its one thing....but it turned into a show...

[Marsila]

Posted by Paul (here)
So, I understand. By what you saw, he should be still be here. By what I and the other admins and mods and some other members saw, he should have been banned a week sooner than he was.

Such it is.

Thank you Paul, this does clear a lot, but i still think we should not be aggressive in public because naive people like me will just feel sorry for the person attacked without bothering with the full story. i've just seen to much of people being horrible to each other, i don't like to keep shut about it.
and that just gives the person you are trying to show as a fraud more power in a way.

[sygh]

I found EA's information quite interesting, most especially since he was bringing a secret order out of the closet, so-to-speak. However, I highly respect the ban on advertisement here, as I do know how Google's ad sense works. The ads showing on any website in question are related to the content of the site. If a visiter clicks on it, the owner of the site gets paid. A site owner can even get paid for the number of visits the site gets over 20,000. It's not bad to get paid for work done. But here's where it gets mirky: Google explains: The better your ads blend into your site, the less the visiters to the site will see the ads as ads. In other words, the ads will be thought of as an extension of the site.

When I think of this, Infowars immediately comes to mind. The ads I see at Infowars, don't offend me; however, I don't agree with some of the things sold on Alex's site. Now, when I visit his site, I am automatically associated with those ads, on a broader scale. In an "internet" sense, I am now part of a larger group, as seen by the PTB, or other such pea-counters, including the extensive world of advertiseing.

Not having advertisements on this site has been a big issue in the past. A decision was purposely made to keep this site free of ads. That does mean this rule has to be enforced periodically. By extension, this also means members of Avalon who have their own web sites, and possibly many web sites with advertisements on them, should take caution when speaking about them on this forum.

That said, there are many, many, many whistleblowers, along with awake and aware Avaloneans who have their own sites. Quite a few adveritse their wares by speaking about them during interviews, and on the forums. This falls into the catagory of books and websites, even goods they sell on their web sites, along with interviews they've given on other sites, (sites with ads, I might mention), up and coming conferences, etc...

But here is what you won't see at Avalon: you won't see say, David Wilcox coming in as an Avalon member willing to talk about his experiences, or findings, and then saying well, I've already covered that subject in detail on my own site, and you can go XhereX to see it (cha-ching!). Avalon isn't an umbrella company for other site promotion, or casting a net that spans across a river. Its a fine line, I admit, between telling your truths, and self-promotion. None the less, there is a line.

I don't think EA should be permantly banned at this time though, unless he has been given warnings prior to this, or the mods have seen something we have not, concerning his other sites. I do understand the caution the mods are taking, especially after Charles came in and flagrantly used this site to create his own, using Bill's endorsement as a spring board, prior to Bill's total awareness of how he was being played.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Marsila (here)
i've just seen to much of people being horrible to each other, i don't like to keep shut about it

Sure ... and that is something each of us can do our part on ...

Any mod team sufficiently tyrannical to insure no mistreatment would be sufficiently suppressive to ensure no forum.

The very energy which is so vital to our engaging in life and with each other cannot be purified of all imperfections in our treatment of each other.

In the particular case of Edward Alexander, some of us thought that his boasting and deceptive posts were mistreating his reader, and that flushing that out was a service to fellow members.

The tides and riptides of human emotion are more complex than the conscious portion of my brain can entirely fathom.

[WhiteFeather]

Although Edward had a great wealth of information to share with us on P.A. Personally, something didn't resonate correctly with me. What was his motive here i asked myself many times. Maybe now thinking or remote viewing Edward, is it possible he lures people to his site and recovers there IP address's? Is this possible. Sure it is. My proverbial spider senses started to tingle with him from the starting gate. Just Felt like another Chatticus Story trying to manifest all over again. Don't Shame me Twice. That's my perspective. I have a hard hat on just in case some of you want to take a few wacks on me head.

~Be Love~ W.F.~

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5Kek3GqbsTk

[spiritguide]

Life is full of guidelines....ie. don't touch the hot stove or you will be burned. There are many more guidelines everywhere to help us and protect us, usually if we ignore the guideline we will realize it's wisdom. So the end result here is apparently a hot stove was touched and the victom that did so got burnt! Enough said.....

Peace!

[ulli]

Posted by Marsila (here)


I agree the moderators more than others should have a good sense about the people posting. Sierra does have age on her side to. and i agree that this ban is good for all sides involved as that guy was using this website in a way the forum guidelines said not to do so.

in addition anyone that read into these matters knows a freemason would never come and post here and say that is what he is, not after all the effort they put into getting into that "club".

Clearly from the first post above to talk about the owner off project avalon (Bill Ryan) as if they were BFF is a symptom of a huge ego problem and blindness. as this is where the vibes of 'scam' come from. So i do appreciate what the
moderators here do.

but I still can't find a good excuse for being aggressive in public, in personal pm's its one thing....but it turned into a show...

I understand your point totally, and you are right, there is no excuse for aggressiveness. As far as I remember Sierra has already apologized, and I don't want to comment further on what went on there. Nobody is perfect.

That man set up major deception plots to lure vast numbers of people into his personal profit making schemes and I think that getting this clarified is still the main topic of this thread.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by ulli (here)
That man set up major deception plots to lure vast numbers of people into his personal profit making schemes

Well said.

[panopticon]

G'day All,

I have no problem with referencing outside material to give credence to a position.
That is pretty basic stuff really.
I question when someone says "Oh I've written pages on that on my blog/website."
If they say it twice I wonder why.
When they do it more than three times I question whether they are in a forum "environment" for any reason beyond self promotion.
Big Ed repeatedly referenced his websites.

I actually reckon it's really easy:

1. If you want to present a position/concept/belief, approach the "staff" (moderators, administrators) or "owner" (Bill) first.
2. Get their permission.
3. Don't self promote (ie if you aren't prepared to explain your position then don't present your position).

Imagine being in a pub and someone says "the pub down the road has beer and free food!"
How long will that person be welcome by the owner, staff and locals?

Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[learninglight]

Bravo Avalon mods )

I welcomed him as i thought at last we would get some insider info from the horses mouth so to speak
I followed his 'grand master' thread HOPING he would give some juicey details but all he did was tell us a lot of what anyone could find on the web.
So i sat back and just watched him dig himself a big big hole knowing he would be pushed into it soon enough lol

much love

[Marsila]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Marsila (here)


I agree the moderators more than others should have a good sense about the people posting. Sierra does have age on her side to. and i agree that this ban is good for all sides involved as that guy was using this website in a way the forum guidelines said not to do so.

in addition anyone that read into these matters knows a freemason would never come and post here and say that is what he is, not after all the effort they put into getting into that "club".

Clearly from the first post above to talk about the owner off project avalon (Bill Ryan) as if they were BFF is a symptom of a huge ego problem and blindness. as this is where the vibes of 'scam' come from. So i do appreciate what the
moderators here do.

but I still can't find a good excuse for being aggressive in public, in personal pm's its one thing....but it turned into a show...

I understand your point totally, and you are right, there is no excuse for aggressiveness. As far as I remember Sierra has already apologized, and I don't want to comment further on what went on there. Nobody is perfect.

That man set up major deception plots to lure vast numbers of people into his personal profit making schemes and I think that getting this clarified is still the main topic of this thread.

Hi again Ulli
err where did i mention Sierra for begginers?? i said ganged up...ie more than one person...i appreciate you defending her, but the only reason i mentioned her is you mentioned her first. she really wasn't on my mind otherwise.

other than that....i'm moving on to much more fruitful threads than here, this is already turning to waste of many things....

[thunder24]

I like wade frazier, is he not also promoting his work....just curious
I like omni-verse too, what about him... is he going to be kicked out also?

peace

4. SELF-PROMOTION
1.Everyone joined this forum to discuss our material, not to hear others showcase theirs. Members who insist on promoting / showcasing themselves, their own websites, philosophies, products, services or other unrelated teachings will be unsubscribed.
2.Links in your signature that point to any website which offers products or services for purchasing are not permitted, If you want to promote a product or service that relates to the mission of Project Avalon feel free to post in Networking Products and Services

[astrid]

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/cyberc...gs-trade/57503

[StateOfTheHeart]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
This is an obvious lie for anyone who knows what Ad Sense is, what Amazon referrals are and how are they used: to make money from people visiting your web site.

Thanks. That's the kind of intel I was after to flesh out the reason for permanent bannage. I figured the mods would be onto something like that.

Posted by Paul (here)
Edward was not banned for his views.

He was banned because his primary purpose here, as it has been for years and as we well documented from our research, a sufficient portion of which we posted, was not truth seeking, but revenue seeking.

I realised he was linking his website a lot - but I've seen other people do the same (blogs/artwork, that kind of thing) and so was wondering, why him? - I didn't realise EA was profiting from people visiting. Thanks a lot for doing the research and reaching that conclusion and making PA a better place

[ulli]

Posted by thunder24 (here)
I like wade frazier, is he not also promoting his work....just curious

peace

4. SELF-PROMOTION
1.Everyone joined this forum to discuss our material, not to hear others showcase theirs. Members who insist on promoting / showcasing themselves, their own websites, philosophies, products, services or other unrelated teachings will be unsubscribed.
2.Links in your signature that point to any website which offers products or services for purchasing are not permitted, If you want to promote a product or service that relates to the mission of Project Avalon feel free to post in Networking Products and Services

Thunder, I'm not quite sure what point you are making here about Wade Frazier... I hope you are not comparing him to Edward Alexander?
His thread was actually created by Bill Ryan personally, who as forum owner would have the final say in the matter.

[thunder24]

so bill and the mods start a thread about someone its ok for them then to promote their work...but if they don't its not. I thought the guidelines were the guidelines.....thats all....

like i said i like wades work and omni....

peace

its just a question ulli, thats all

[panopticon]

Posted by thunder24 (here)
so bill and the mods start a thread about someone its ok for them then to promote their work...but if they don't its not. I thought the guidelines were the guidelines.....thats all....l

G'day thunder24,

You are correct.
If someone approaches the owner of a site and asks permission then the owner has the right to say "I respect your opinion, yes you can post on my forum, I will even create a sub-forum for you so you can use your own work as reference material".

I reckon it's just a case of good manners.
If someone doesn't do this then the guidelines can be applied.

Bill, as the owner, and the Administrators and Moderators, as his "staff", have the right to enforce the forum guidelines. They also have the right to make exceptions to them as they see fit and reverse the decision if they see fit.

If someone is concerned about posting their "personal" material then ask permission.
The worse that can happen then is they are told "no".

That way everybody knows where they stand.

Kind Regards,
Panopticon