Astronomers Say Earth Changed Position to its Axis

[Hervé]

Posted by gary-arsenault (here)
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Not that I have any great faith in NASA but;

Would a report from NASA carry more 'scientific merit or weight?

NASA: Chile quake shortened earth’s days, bumped planet off axis

The magnitude 8.8 earthquake that hit Chile over the weekend—killing hundreds, and leaving hundreds of thousands homeless—may have shortened the length of each Earth day, according to JPL research scientist Richard Gross.
Perhaps more impressive is how much the quake shifted Earth's axis. Gross calculates the quake should have moved Earth's figure axis (the axis about which Earth's mass is balanced) by 2.7 milliarcseconds (about 8 centimeters, or 3 inches). Earth's figure axis is not the same as its north-south axis; they are offset by about 10 meters (about 33 feet).

url http://boingboing.net/2010/03/01/nas...quake-sho.html

Compare the actual content to the title of the article...

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
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For example, Hancock cites “huge numbers of warm-blooded, temperate adapted mammal species were instantly frozen, and then their bodies preserved in the permafrost [...] the bulk of the destruction seems to have taken place during the eleventh millennium BC“ (Hancock, 1995, p. 479). The assumption is, if temperate climate regions were suddenly thrust into polar conditions, large numbers of animals, unable to adapt and/or flee, would perish.
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There is one very BIG problem with these "Flash Frozen" mastodonts: even if a crustal slip/shift was instantaneous, the vegetation inside the stomachs of these mastodonts wouldn't have been flash frozen but in various states of decay. Something else happened then and I don't what (the equivalent of being drown in liquid nitrogen) but it definitely was significant!

Hmmm ... I wonder how long it takes to freeze a mastodon at x temperature ... I wish I had a mastodon freezing chart ;-) That might give us a clue ...

Indeed!

Closest is being thrown in a pool of liquid nitrogen, because that's a huge, warm mass to freeze instantly for stomach vegetation to be preserved.

I think (to be verified) that it's in the order of less than 60 seconds for vegetables....

water ... ? from the bottom of the ocean - very cold. not cold enough to instantly freeze, but to cut the oxygen that would be required for decay .. just a fleeting thought ... perhaps fits with the flood of Noah story ... again I didn't think this through just a fleeting thought ... ;-)

[Vitalux]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by gary-arsenault (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Ok... what about the disambiguation so that any reader can understand what is what?

I am providing the viewer with youtube video links.
I am providing the viewer with book links.
I am attempting to answer dialogue with reference to the topic.

I am not sitting here saying I am a scientist or an expert.
If you want me to prove something, than I am at a loss. I can't even prove to you the moon is real.
My goal is just to provide this forum with food for consideration or thought.
It is up to each individual to research and determine what can exist or not exist in their reality.

This information would bring a state of cognitive Indifference to most because they are not even aware that this flipping of the planet has happened many times over our history and brought about the dark ages.

I am refering to this:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
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Hi Gary,

First of all I'd like to know which astronomers and where are the references with respect to the title of this thread?

Then, where are the data for the "fact" that Earth is moving off its axis, never mind what is meant by "moving off its axis?"

What troubles me with such title and content is that too many things are lumped together:

* Rotation axis

* Drifting of crust with respect to rotation axis

* Drifting of magnetic poles with respect to geographic poles/rotation axis

* Flipping of magnetic poles

* Flipping of geogaphic poles

So, if you could clarify what exactly you are talking about, I think it would be helpful?

Same for posters: Is it magnetic poles flip? Geographic poles flip? Crust slip with respect to rotation axis?

Thanks

Edit:

Thanks Bill!

I was composing this post while you posted...:-)

Would you also like some fries with that order?

[Hervé]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
water ... ? from the bottom of the ocean - very cold. not cold enough to instantly freeze, but to cut the oxygen that would be required for decay .. just a fleeting thought ... perhaps fits with the flood of Noah story ... again I didn't think this through just a fleeting thought ... ;-)

Tough to ice-cube a mammoth... water IIRC is densest at 4 °C, that would be what's at ocean bottoms? Would still be sealed in the beast's stomach.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by gary-arsenault (here)
It is a fact that the earth is no longer in the position that it use to be.
The Planet has moved off it's axis and we are drifting South.
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Hi Gary,

First of all I'd like to know which astronomers and where are the references with respect to the title of this thread?

Then, where are the data for the "fact" that Earth is moving off its axis, never mind what is meant by "moving off its axis?"

What troubles me with such title and content is that too many things are lumped together:

* Rotation axis

* Drifting of crust with respect to rotation axis

* Drifting of magnetic poles with respect to geographic poles/rotation axis

* Flipping of magnetic poles

* Flipping of geogaphic poles

So, if you could clarify what exactly you are talking about, I think it would be helpful?

Same for posters: Is it magnetic poles flip? Geographic poles flip? Crust slip with respect to rotation axis?

Thanks

Edit:

Thanks Bill!

I was composing this post while you posted...:-)

Distinctions are highly valuable, I regularly recommend them in discussions - and occasionally get lashed for it, lol . But I concur. There should be some common context so no one has to make any assumptions about anything - a more valuable discussion could be had then.

[Vitalux]

DeDukshyn

Another part of the puzzle is the during a polar flip, is that the earth temporarily loses it's magnetosphere ( Van Allan radiation Belts) and as part of the equation goes our planet is exposed to solar blasts as well as solar winds.
We certainly know the higher up you go in the atmosphere the colder it gets.
Think of what possibilities might exist if part of our lower atmosphere was blown away into space.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by gary-arsenault (here)
DeDukshyn

Another part of the puzzle is the during a polar flip, is that the earth temporarily loses it's magnetosphere ( Van Allan radiation Belts) and as part of the equation goes our planet is exposed to solar blasts as well as solar winds.
We certainly know the higher up you go in the atmosphere the colder it gets.
Think of what possibilities might exist if part of our lower atmosphere was blown away into space.

haha, awesome. I had that exact same thought when thinking about the mastodon problem -- lack of atmosphere -- but I couldn't find the reason for lack of atmosphere, but then there you go and say it I recall hearing that theory now.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by gary-arsenault (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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If the earth had shifted even one degree physically, none of the many thousands of amateur astronomers (who are not funded or employed by any institutions) would be able to locate (i.e. focus on) any distant astronomical objects any more.

This is because there are computer programs which assist astronomers to find things based on very exact celestial co-ordinates. They would immediately notice if everything in the sky had moved!

The claim that "Astronomers say Earth has Changed positions to its Axis" (sic) is 100% nonsense. No competent astronomers have ever said anything of the kind. The effects would be immediately obvious, dramatic, and quite impossible to suppress or contain.

Gee Wizz Bill I am a bit confused when i read articles such as the ones listed below.....what are they discussing then?

Japan Earthquake Alters Coast Line, Changes Earth's Axis
The massive earthquake that hit Japan on Friday was so powerful that it changed the shape of the country's coastline and shifted the earth's axis.

Geophysicist Kenneth Hudnut, who works for the U.S. Geological Survey, told CNN that the quake moved part of Japan's land mass by nearly 2.5 meters.

Experts say that the huge shake, caused by a shift in the tectonic plates deep underwater, also threw the earth off its axis point by at least 8 centimeters.

8 centimeters = 3 inches. That's absolutely, totally, completely negligible. Not exactly a pole shift!

[Vitalux]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Distinctions are highly valuable, I regularly recommend them in discussions - and occasionally get lashed for it, lol . But I concur. There should be some common context so no one has to make any assumptions about anything - a more valuable discussion could be had then.

I had pointed out earlier that I believe they were all interconnected and interrelated.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by gary-arsenault (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Distinctions are highly valuable, I regularly recommend them in discussions - and occasionally get lashed for it, lol . But I concur. There should be some common context so no one has to make any assumptions about anything - a more valuable discussion could be had then.

I had pointed out earlier that I believe they were all interconnected and interrelated.

I was thinking the same why myself, but the more distinctions the better is my motto

[161803398]

The astrological signs are already a month out for about the past 600 years. The reason is precession. The ancient people know about it; but we didn't until recently. When astrology was banned by the Church, a great deal of information was suppressed. When the astrologers started practicing again, the information about precession had been lost. So they didn't realize that their charts were out. Then, recently we discovered precession again. In short, and for example, according to astrology I am a gemini but according to the actual position of the constellations, I am a Taurus..and that has been the case for around 600 years as I recall.

[161803398]

And there are those who believe that having us believe we are one astrological sign instead of what we actually are has screwed us up a bit. People are very good at adapting to what they think they are supposed to be; but, If astrology does, in fact, work, it might be preferable if we had the kaleidoscope turned in the right direction and had knowledge of who we really are.

[Vitalux]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

8 centimeters = 3 inches. That's absolutely, totally, completely negligible. Not exactly a pole shift!

Well Bill I didn't really want to get down to semantics but your earlier statement from your own advocation

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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If the earth had shifted even one degree physically, none of the many thousands of amateur astronomers (who are not funded or employed by any institutions) would be able to locate (i.e. focus on) any distant astronomical objects any more.

This is because there are computer programs which assist astronomers to find things based on very exact celestial co-ordinates. They would immediately notice if everything in the sky had moved!

The claim that "Astronomers say Earth has Changed positions to its Axis" (sic) is 100% nonsense. No competent astronomers have ever said anything of the kind. The effects would be immediately obvious, dramatic, and quite impossible to suppress or contain.

However even those 8 centermeters reflects that the Earth has changed positions on it's axis.

I have supported my claim that it has, and you state that 3 inches is not a pole shift.

Well respected scientists have stated that indeed the Earth has shifted from it's axis.

Apparently the shift in the Earth axis appears to have caused enough of a reaction that there is a change in daylight in the North re:

Sunrises two days early in Greenland

An unusual occurrence happened in Ilulissat, which is the third largest settlement in Greenland with about 4,500 residents. This city is located about 200 miles north of the Arctic Circle on the west coast of the island.

The sun "rose" for the first time in 2011 on Tuesday, January 11th. Since this city is north of the Arctic Circle, there is nothing unusual with the sun not being visible near the winter solstice. What is unusual is the sun was not supposed to rise until two days later, on Thursday, January 13th.

http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/ast...-greenland.asp


Now Bill this forum is suppose to be open to discuss differing ideas and awareness.
This whole topic of the planet flipping is nothing new. I am not just sitting here spewing out garbage that I have made up.
I am talking about something that I have a general understanding of based on what I have read and chatted about with others.

You and I most certainly can agree that the Media does not always report to the masses the true facts of scientific findings.

[Jake]

On average, the Earth Plates move somewhere Between 2-7 centimeters per year. The 'wobble' of our earth offsets the true calender by,, who knows how much. As the sun rises and sets over countless ions of time,,, I think it is safe to say that 8 centimeters is absolutely negligible. Earth changes are cyclical.

[Vitalux]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by gary-arsenault (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Distinctions are highly valuable, I regularly recommend them in discussions - and occasionally get lashed for it, lol . But I concur. There should be some common context so no one has to make any assumptions about anything - a more valuable discussion could be had then.

I had pointed out earlier that I believe they were all interconnected and interrelated.

I was thinking the same why myself, but the more distinctions the better is my motto

So true...but only to a point.
I have had debates in many forums over the years where in the end .

Opponents ( a.k.a hecklers), will just keep calling for an insurmountable amount of evidence to support the OP's claim.

The heckler, will just refuse to consider the newly presented evidence and just keep crying out that you need to prove it with more evidence.

Often those that do, only intent is to derail the thread.

[TigaHawk]

Has anyone actualy take then the time to go out and look at the stars, and draw what you see?


Last night i came to the realisation that something isnt "right"


I have one group of stars that moves say south over the period of the night (say 7pm its directly above me, then it slowly moves south out of view by 2-3am) yet another set of stars (nowhere near as bright, but still visible) seem to move east over the same period of time.


Tried getting a photo of the sky but it cant capture the light of the stars. Was going to make it a project on my next set of days off to take a picture of the area im looking (during the day) and draw an outline of the buildings to use them as a view reference. Then with a pen draw in where the stars are, and the time. Once an hour, to see whats actualy going on.


Has anyone else noticed their stars moving funny - and would it have anything to do with earth moving axis?

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by gary-arsenault (here)
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Opponents ( a.k.a hecklers), will just keep calling for an insurmountable amount of evidence to support the OP's claim.

The heckler, will just refuse to consider the newly presented evidence and just keep crying out that you need to prove it with more evidence.

Often those that do, only intent is to derail the thread.

You are right -

... so true to a point ...

It is to the point were the resolution of the distinctions become less effective, I guess you could say to the point where further distinctions no longer increase quality of communication. And hecklers are what they are, but some people just need more info rather than relying on deduction, etc, - so there's that as well, and of course everyone wants more evidence, and more story, that's just the nature of things. My 2 cents

[Ernie Nemeth]

I believe even Velickovsky stated that these shifts happened in the course of a few days to weeks. I remember Sitchin saying something similar. There was no warning. So a gradual slip is not supported by Velikovsky's data.

I might be wrong, going by memory, although his books are staring me in the face, I'm too lazy to look it up.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Vitalux]

Posted by TigaHawk (here)
Has anyone actualy take then the time to go out and look at the stars, and draw what you see?

Has anyone else noticed their stars moving funny - and would it have anything to do with earth moving axis?

Myself I am actually a novas astronomer and most of my efforts have just been to learn the various constellations and track the stars by the naked eye.
I have the problem that I live close to the city, so between the chem trails and light pollution I am often in a struggle to effectively see a clear starry sky.

However I tend to be inclined to have noticed a change in the position with respect to North of the Big Dipper. I am just not sure though.

Subsequently, I do take very seriously claims of Native people up above the arctic circle and in Northern latitudes when they report that the position of the sun and stars have changed.

They simply are in an expert position to make better claims because it is from those stars which they depend on for navigation. They know what the stars are suppose to look like, much like how we know what the back of our hand looks like.

[Vitalux]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
I believe even Velickovsky stated that these shifts happened in the course of a few days to weeks. I remember Sitchin saying something similar. There was no warning. So a gradual slip is not supported by Velikovsky's data.

I might be wrong, going by memory, although his books are staring me in the face, I'm too lazy to look it up.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Quite correct.
However, velikovsky's reports cover more than one age where cosmic events occurred where there was a shifting of our planet from either its orbital path, or the inverting of our Earth relevant to it's current position.

In relation to the planet inverting it happened rather quickly. Over the course of just less than a few hours.
Last time this event occurred was about 1500 year BCE around the time of Moses.



But to add, about 750+/1 BCE there was major cosmic problems however that is another story for another topic thread. That was dealing with cosmic alignment of planet bodies.