Amazement As Speed Of Light Is Broken... Was Einstein Wrong?

[norman]

In a book called "Einstein's Universe" I once read that according to him light will hit a moving object through space at the same speed from all directions.

Think about it, he's already contradicting himself.

Einstein has been replaced a long time ago but it's been a convenient screen to hide a lot of things behind. The main reason the majority of people don't believe ETs could be real is based on the their certainty that ETs couldn't get here. That certainty is built on their certainty that Einstein was right and infallible.

[Ilie Pandia]

Posted by norman (here)
The main reason the majority of people don't believe ETs could be real is based on the their certainty that ETs couldn't get here. That certainty is built on their certainty that Einstein was right and infallible.

Hm... this "major break through" could be used as Adi said to pave the way to making public new technology, that "was just made possible" by breaking the speed of light barrier.

In this case, they don't really care if the theory or the experiment is correct or not. It will get repeated a few more times, quoted as fact a few more times and then, it will be come well established fact in science and "common sense truth"

They will add more nanoseconds as the demand for it will present it self... they don't want to admit right off, that light barrier has long been broken.

[Hervé]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
So much noise about nuttin'...
C in E=MC^2 is supposed to be a constant... which it isn't except arbitrarily.

Now, as far as FTL (Faster Than Light) goes, well it should have been known ever since this thing was discovered:

Wow Amzer.

That's pretty interesting stuff. I do not trust Wikipedia that much when it comes to the laws of physics. It seems they have some contradictions on the site.

They claim nothing can go faster than the speed of light (not even information!) And the there is the page about refraction... that you have quoted:

At the boundary between the media, the wave's phase velocity is altered, usually causing a change in direction. Its wavelength increases or decreases but its frequency remains constant.

Well, if that is true, with a sufficient number of incremental increases in wave length, while keeping the frequency constant... you can easily go beyond the unbreakable barrier of speed of light.

So this begs the question... when you say "speed of light" what "light" do you mean? What kind of radiation and at what frequency?! Is UV light? IR light?

In school we learn about this "Constant" speed of light. And then we see the Sun rise not being white! They explain: "because different frequencies of light travel at different speeds, therefore the violet light gets here first!" Wow... so is it constant or not!? What speed has the light beyond UV light then?

I am pretty sure I've made an error somewhere in my understanding of this "speed of light" but I can't seem to pin point it. But if the Wikipedia can be trusted.. then those 60ns (+/10ns) is no big deal!

Well, Ilie, you got it right: what's the light which speed is taken as the constant is the first arbitrary. It's never specified.

As for the increase/decrease, when a beam enters a medium with a higher refraction indice it decreases to increase again when coming out... so, incremental increases could be worked out.

But, I too have troubles with the changing wavelength as it would change the colour of the beam when refracted. But the color doesn't change... apparently. So, it's the propagation speed that changes. However, if the wavelength decreases entering the medium, then the frequency has to increase... mystery to solve somewhere!

Which Wikipedia expresses as:

In linear media, any wave pattern can be described in terms of the independent propagation of sinusoidal components.

Refraction: when a plane wave encounters a medium in which it has a slower speed, the wavelength decreases, and the direction adjusts accordingly.


The wavelength λ of a sinusoidal waveform traveling at constant speed v is given by:[8]



where v is called the phase speed (magnitude of the phase velocity) of the wave and f is the wave's frequency.

I guess that's the trouble with compartmentalized research... no connection with the next branch... so that when people like Nassim Haramein get in the middle saying: "Wait a minute... where's the equation for this guy?" each faction starts throwing books at him.

Sorry that I can't really answer your questions as I am being lead along the same circular path as you are....

[The One]

Albert Einstein ( 14 March 1879 – 18 April 1955) was a German-born theoretical physicist who developed the theory of general relativity, effecting a revolution in physics For this achievement, Einstein is often regarded as the father of modern physics and one of the most prolific intellects in human history.[He received the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics "for his services to theoretical physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect" The latter was pivotal in establishing quantum theory within physics.

Near the beginning of his career, Einstein thought that Newtonian mechanics was no longer enough to reconcile the laws of classical mechanics with the laws of the electromagnetic field.This led to the development of his special theory of relativity. He realized, however, that the principle of relativity could also be extended to gravitational fields, and with his subsequent theory of gravitation in 1916, he published a paper on the general theory of relativity. He continued to deal with problems of statistical mechanics and quantum theory, which led to his explanations of particle theory and the motion of molecules. He also investigated the thermal properties of light which laid the foundation of the photon theory of light. In 1917, Einstein applied the general theory of relativity to model the structure of the universe as a whole.

He was visiting the United States when Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, and did not go back to Germany, where he had been a professor at the Berlin Academy of Sciences. He settled in the U.S., becoming a citizen in 1940. On the eve of World War II, he helped alert President Franklin D. Roosevelt that Germany might be developing an atomic weapon, and recommended that the U.S. begin similar research; this eventually led to what would become the Manhattan Project. Einstein was in support of defending the Allied forces, but largely denounced using the new discovery of nuclear fission as a weapon. Later, together with Bertrand Russell, Einstein signed the Russell–Einstein Manifesto, which highlighted the danger of nuclear weapons. Einstein was affiliated with the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey, until his death in 1955

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nFOFYHY7sD8

[daledo]

Hmmm... this article was over 7 years old.

Konstantin Meyl Speaks on Neutrino Power and the Existence of Scalar Waves

Addressed the ExtraOrdinary Technology conference in Salt Lake City on Friday, July 30, 2004, 1:00 pm. Cites earth expansion as evidence of neutrino absorption; credits Tesla with first describing neutrinos

Professor Konstantin Meyl has written numerous books and given lectures at universities in Germany. At the conference, Professor Meyl spoke about scalar waves. He also spoke about neutrinos and how they can be used.

Dr. Meyl described how field vortices form scalar waves. He described how electromagnetic waves (transverse waves) and scalar waves (longitudinal waves) both should be represented in wave equations. For comparison, transverse EM waves are best used for broadcast transmissions like television, while longitudinal scalar waves are better for one-to-one communication systems like cell phones.

He also presented the theory that neutrinos are scalar waves moving faster than the speed of light. When moving at the speed of light, they are photons. When a neutrino is slowed to below the speed of light, it becomes an electron. Neutrinos can oscillate between e- and e+. Fusion involves e-, and a lightning flash involves e+. Energy in a vortex acts as a frequency converter. The measurable mixture of frequencies is called noise.

Meyl also mentioned that the earth is expanding at a measured rate of 10 cm a year; therefore it slows the earth’s rotation. He also noted that the earth is now expanding at a quicker rate than it was 2,300 years ago and effects the length of our year.

Meyl talked about Tesla’s scalar wave transmitter in Colorado Springs, Colorado in 1899. He transmitted energy 26 miles at velocities greater than light. Tesla measured the resonance of the Earth at 12 Hz. The Schumann resonance of the Earth is 7.8 Hz. Meyl shows how one can calculate the scalar wave of the Earth to be 1.54 times the speed of light. Meyl presented a model that ties the expansion of the earth to be the result of the earth’s absorption of neutrino energy. The ramifications of this model are that neutrino energy can be tapped. He took this the next step and postulated that Zero Point Energy is neutrino power – energy from the field; available at anytime, and everywhere present.

To show the place of neutrinos in conventional science, Meyl noted that the 2002 Nobel Physics prize was in regards to work on neutrinos.

Meyl quoted a 1898 New York Times statement by Tesla that establishes Tesla, the “father of free energy” as also the discoverer of the neutrino.

Source

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p7NqXckz0sU

Part 2 https://youtube.com/watch?v=S4WetyROVvk

Part 3 https://youtube.com/watch?v=tWEUW9kJLYo

Part 4 https://youtube.com/watch?v=2XRhY9dv-10

[Laura Elina]

Well, I'm waiting to see what they say next, whether they find mistakes, a margin of error that's substantial, anything that might have them say: false alarm. Sorry guys.

And if they don't? And the experiment is confirmed around the world?

Fringe science would not be that much of a daydream anymore in the eyes of the so called proven and approved science, mainstream science. On Monday your kids would go to school and in the physics class they'd entertain the possibilities of time travel and extra dimensions, take a look at the relativity theory by Einstein and wonder if the crazies talking about these things out of science fiction books are not that crazy after all.

I hope and I wish the experiment is confirmed, if it is, it would be extremely exciting times for many physicists out there and physics enthusiasts to say the least. And more importantly, possibly a jump start for the world to start dreaming a little bigger and higher when it comes to the future of our planet. Hello Captain Kirk and Spock.

[the trojan]

on british radio they are emphasising that the neutrinos were fired at ....ITALY! ?

[Agape]

Posted by johnf (here)
So it's six nanoseconds faster, and it takes a huge complicated facility to produce it.
This sounds like an artificially small drip of info.
In this thread are numerous statements that theoretically expose the limit of the speed of light as a farce. If they already have technology that harness the real potential of FTL and free energy. To let it out at full flow would be a catastrophe to social control, as my friend Brianen states, the PTB owe me a ufo, and a replicator.

Yes that's rather correct . They pour so much money and energy to these particle accelerators that it's shame to speak about and besides that , should there be an accident they blow the planet to air.

Now whom it serves . Few really strong headed and proud-of -themselves physicists who think that physical proof is the answer to all their questions.

The distance you can reach with your mind is further, faster and number times cheaper . There is no way to 'prove everything' about universe on one little planet in the corner of space .

I'm not saying their work is right useless ..but ..there is more actual proofs and axioms in our minds .


They're great example of someone who locked their life work to one theoretical system .


Found 3 neutrinos . Great

[Ecnal61]

Look at it this way for a second, do you think at educational centre`s on other inhabited planets they had E=mc2 ? the answer must be NO because THEY have been coming here for a long time and THE THEORY hasnt held them back has it. the bottom line is we are discussing earth science and that obviously is not something that has hampered other races like it has us...my two pence/cents.

[rosie]

At least this news is getting out to the public eye, just not in the physics world, and this does give me hope for others to start waking up to the fact that their world is not a set of parameters that cannot be changed. Life is stranger then fiction, and even if this is a little "leak" to let out some long held secrets, at least the leak is just not in the "conspiracy" field, but right out there for all to see, no hunting required.
Look out other dimensions, here we are!

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by rosie (here)
this does give me hope for others to start waking up to the fact that their world is not a set of parameters that cannot be changed.

I would take a different view . I would suggest that the physics of the world is orderly, but that our theories of what that order is change over time, as our understanding increases, decreases, and shifts. The current standard physics models (relativity, quantum theory, big bang cosmology, ...) of the last century are due for a major shift - soon I think. But there will be new physics theory, which will in some ways at least do a better job of modeling the actual, unchangeable, order and parameters of the universe.

[Aviator]

Newton’s laws have been "truth" for several hundred of years until somebody found out, that these laws are true only within certain limits.
Like all so called "natural laws" Einstein’s special theory of relativity is also true only within a certain frame of thinking.
All these scientific laws describe specific parts of our “physical universe” reality. None of them are absolutely true. Improvement of understanding is and will be always possible. It is part of this 3 dimensional reality game.

[Red Skywalker]

There is so much knowledge on this forum, why not write together a Cosmic Book?
If that's an idea, I will start a new thread. I have some ideas to start with and so far I didn't have the time to write them down. Other ideas of me have still to be worked and discussed about. Let's bundle our knowledge! Educate ourselves, common people and even TPB with the ancient sciences.



Or something like this
The more thanks and or replies, the more likely I'll start the new thread?

Of course the speed of light can be broken, the barrier is only for matter! Even Einstein knew this. If you have a massless force, like gravity, the speed of light is not limited! Check 'van Flandern', http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/speed_of_gravity.asp
He made all the computations on the speed of gravity. Unfortunately the good man has passed and experiments could not confirm his ideas. But remember how 'holy' mr. Einstein is and data is forced to fit.

RED SKYWALKER

*** STARTED NEW THREAD HERE ***

[Davidallany]

I await Stephen Hawking statement, if he's going to issue one.

[KiwiElf]

Einstein himself acknowledged that he "may have been wrong" before he died: That e=mc3 not e=mc2. This allows for multiple dimensions which have now been fairly well proven.

Likewise, Newtonian Physics ONLY applies to 3-dimensional physical reality. They do not and cannot apply to 4th/5th dimensional physics. Synchronicity cannot exist within these 3-dimensional "limitations" but we know synchronicity exists. So maybe it's about time we changed the formula(s).

"110 years ago we "knew" we couldn't fly. Only hundreds of years before that and we "knew" the world was flat and the Universe revolved around the Earth. What do we really "know?"

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Einstein himself acknowledged that he "may have been wrong" before he died:

I'm sure he did.

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
That e=mc3 not e=mc2.

I doubt that Einstein ever said that E = mc3 -- that would seriously confuse the calculations of how much energy nuclear reactions (whether bombs or reactors) produce. Do you have a reference for that?

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
This allows for multiple dimensions which have now been fairly well proven.

Could someone explain to me, from foundational math and physics on up, what "multiple dimensions" means? I take it that it means more than the 3D plus time we normally recognize. I read of (don't really understand) some esoteric string theory models of dimensions folded in on themselves in a space unmeasurably small with a dozen or two dimensions, but I do not get the sense that most references to 5D or 10D are referring to that.

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Likewise, Newtonian Physics ONLY applies to 3-dimensional physical reality. They do not and cannot apply to 4th/5th dimensional physics.

• Well, while Newtonian physics (though still quite fine for building bridges) was already replaced a century ago for matters closer to the extremes, and
• while that replacement, using relativity and quantum mechanics, may well be due soon for yet another replacement, for matters closer to the extremes (cf. my many mentions of LaViolette)
• still the phrase "4th/5th dimensional physics" is something I hear mentioned, but am puzzled as to the actual meaning of, in a well grounded scientific basis.

[Revere]

I could easily get out of my depth on this topic but, I always thought that "entanglement" was an interesting example of a Super Luminal action. This is very interesting in the context of the Zero point Field. Everything is entangled; we are, thoughts are, Consciousness, time, everything is and has happened.

This "proof" could be the hole in the Dike that main stream science has built?


Peace,
-R-

[Davidallany]

So it's six nanoseconds faster, and it takes a huge complicated facility to produce it.

Sure thing six nanoseconds is a long time, still the Millennium Falcon was faster than most ships by more than 6 parsecs.

[mosquito]

My understanding of this dilemma, and I may be wrong, is that it's only things with mass which are supposedly unable to travel faster than light. Quantum collapse is known to be instantaneous - If 2 related quanta are take and sent to opposite ends of the universe, induce collapse in one of them and the otrher collapses at precisely the same instant (if my terminology is wrong there, please correct me). I've always felt uncomfortable about the speed of light, somehow it doesn't sit well with me (maybe I'm just not clever enough !), but did Einstein not predict that anything which travels at the speed of light also travels at the speed of time ?
Well ponder this, speed = distance divided by time, if a car travels 120 km in 1 hour, divide 120 by 1 and you get a speed of 120 km/h etc.
So, if Einstein is correct, and anything travelling at the speed of light also travels at the speed of time, then we hit the following problem: object x "travels" 190,000 km and arrives at the instant it departed, therefore, 190,000 has to be divided by zero to obtain the speed. Divide anything by zero, and the answer is ...... zero. Therfore thye speed of light doesn't actually exist.
And what about light itsself ? Does it also travel at the speed of time ?
My (possibly false) conclusion is that natural, cosmic "light" is somehow the fabric of space/time, and does not actually travel anywhere, it's simply an illusion, along with time. In contrast with artificial light whose speed we can measure.
The big bang wasn't an event which happened sometime in the past, it's an ongoing process which we're still experiencing.
Please feel free to deconstruct my logic)

[Buck]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
This allows for multiple dimensions which have now been fairly well proven.

If someone could explain to me, from foundational math and physics on up, what "multiple dimensions" (meaning I presume more than I think we have) mean, then who knows ... perhaps. Meanwhile, looks like more nonsense to me.
[*]still the phrase "4th/5th dimensional physics" sounds like more nonsense to me.[/LIST]

Paul, not intending to single you out, per se, but the derisive tone of your comments from KiwiElf caught my attention. But your statements are at odds with what modern day (as in for the last 80 years) physics, and the more current fractal geometry and string theory perspectives on reality seem to point to.

You said something so great on another thread earlier- it was in reply to eyes wide open re his rejection of Dr. Judy Woods theories- something like just because someone doesn't have all the evidence worked out, doesn't mean that their theory is at fault. That would apply here too- yes?

because, as it turns out-

Back in the 1930s,
"spooky action at a distance" was Einstein's phrase for describing the perplexing and unexplainable phenomenon of how a particles could be instantaneously affected by an one another even when physically separated.

what does that mean?

just SOME of the implications; telepathy, time travel and, oh yes-

multiple dimensions/ multiple realities

multiple time lines

sounds preposterous! Oh.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-g...niverse-2011-4

the Chinese are way ahead on this;

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...ieved-in-china

and it affects larger systems, biological systems. Like us;

http://www.kurzweilai.net/quantum-en...l-system-found