Nudity

[Violet]

With the sun coming out again, I was thinking: when did people come up with the idea of undressing themselves because of sunny weather? It also strikes me that women are somehow always more undressed than men in hot weather. Do they suffer more heat from sun than men?

I've tried to look around the world and back into time to find a clear answer but I see very contrasting things. On the one hand there are as-good-as naked bushmen in black Africa and on the other there's the fully clothed Toearegs and other desert cultures in unbearable heats in the desert.

I also wonder if the as-good-as naked bushmen wear more clothes when it gets colder or wet. So, it doesn't look to me that they are nude for sunny weather in the first place.

And going back into time, I could also not immediately find an answer as both the West and East were fully dressed during the entire Middle Ages for example. The Chinese with their long pompous sleeves, the Arabs with turbans/veils and long dresses, the French and neighbours with abundant dresses and corsets.

So, when did modern man start thinking: hey, it's hot, I'm going out in shorts/bikini/comparables and anything else is inhumane.

[araucaria]

Maybe a preference for white skin was handed down from the Nordic elites, who we are told had to be careful about not getting too much sunlight. Even the ordinary Brit will go a funny colour if the sun stays out for longer than usual, and maybe the habit spread with colonialism.

In art, the nude was handed down by the Greeks and Romans, who would be readier to strip off in their hot Mediterranean climates. It later became increasingly academic (i.e. the done thing without really knowing why), and in some cases saucier and saucier too. Until Manet came along and caused a scandal with The Luncheon on the Grass. Why is that woman naked? a) because she’s an artist’s model and b) because she’s meant to be drying off in the sunshine down by the river. And Olympia: why is that woman naked? a) because she’s an artist’s model and b) because she’s meant to be a tart. This was a major turning-point: naked nudity.

[divine_moments_of_truth]

I think the main reason is that we rely on Vitamin E from the sun and it feels very good to catch some rays. I also heard reptilians enjoy sunbathing too...

[Shamz]

Posted by divine_moments_of_truth (here)
I think the main reason is that we rely on Vitamin E from the sun and it feels very good to catch some rays. I also heard reptilians enjoy sunbathing too...

I think its Vitamin-D that we get from sun-bathing - Vit E protects from harmful UV rays - thats what some research found out.

[The One]

Hey i am semi naked now as i write this

I always walk around the house without no top on

love it

[Peace of Mind]

Maybe it’s their higher self telling them to do so…after all we are made from star dust. The Human body is a magnificent work of art and ingenuity, especially the woman’s body. We need the sun to survive. We feel sluggish and/or dispirited when there’s an overcast lasting longer than a few days. As with other animals of the planet, nudity is normal. When time passed, corruption set in and ego and self esteem issues rose. Love started dwindling away while false identities festered. Today, you can witness the lack of love (for self) by observing the extremes people go through to look quote-unquote “presentable”. The false feeling of importance through materialism, the need to have high end clothing and devices that really offer nothing but a famous name, cosmetics and plastic surgery for those that are not satisfied with their natural beauty. Standards on what beauty truly is seem to be made by followers and ego maniacs.


Excuse my wordy response, but detail maybe needed for clarity. I don’t think humans need to be running around in the nude…but when we do dress up; the cloths we throw on should only be looked at as protection from the elements. Also, if you do some deeper research you will find that many Africans believe the sun provides them with special energy. This energy is absorbed through the living molecule called “Melanin”. (Check my thread “Melanin” for more details) https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...hp?919-Melanin

The study goes all the way back to ancient Kamet/the Egyptians/and the Sumerians. The sun plays a big part in these cultures but most scientists’ today keep that discovery relatively quiet...why? who really knows... It’s a very deep subject and the average person may not be willing or honest enough to give it the proper research. Some Africans aren’t even privy to this information.

You wanted to know why some people get naked…maybe this post will give you some extra things to look into… evocative, maybe not, nevertheless there is enough data out there to consider and I'm sure the finds will be interesting to say the least.

Peace

[HORIZONS]

I started nude sunbathing a few years ago for no other reason than it just feels really good! Now I crave the sunshine (energy) on all parts of my body - it's a great feeling - spirit, soul and body - what can I say. I just came to a point where I felt this was something for me - that I needed to do - and I have a good place to do this - although I am not a nudist by any stretch.
But when I am out in the hot sun working I cover up - long pants, long sleeve shirt, head rap and a good hat (all light colored or white) this keeps me much cooler than less clothing does, as it reflects the suns radiation off of the skin keeping me cooler, and the wicking effect comes into play as well.
I think religious beliefs/training has somewhat to do with this issue as well - but some people just like to be nude, religious or not.

[HORIZONS]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
Maybe it’s their higher self telling them to do so…after all we are made from star dust. The Human body is a magnificent work of art and ingenuity, especially the woman’s body. We need the sun to survive. We feel sluggish and/or dispirited when there’s an overcast lasting longer than a few days. As with other animals of the planet, nudity is normal. When time passed, corruption set in and ego and self esteem issues rose. Love started dwindling away while false identities festered. Today, you can witness the lack of love (for self) by observing the extremes people go through to look quote-unquote “presentable”. The false feeling of importance through materialism, the need to have high end clothing and devices that really offer nothing but a famous name, cosmetics and plastic surgery for those that are not satisfied with their natural beauty. Standards on what beauty truly is seem to be made by followers and ego maniacs.


Excuse my wordy response, but detail maybe needed for clarity. I don’t think humans need to be running around in the nude…but when we do dress up; the cloths we throw on should only be looked at as protection from the elements. Also, if you do some deeper research you will find that many Africans believe the sun provides them with special energy. This energy is absorbed through the living molecule called “Melanin”. (Check my thread “Melanin” for more details). The study goes all the way back to ancient Kamet/the Egyptians/and the Sumerians. The sun plays a big part in these cultures but most scientists’ today keep that discovery relatively quiet...why? who really knows... It’s a very deep subject and the average person may not be willing or honest enough to give it the proper research. Some Africans aren’t even privy to this information.

You wanted to know why some people get naked…maybe this post will give you some extra things to look into… evocative, maybe not, nevertheless there is enough data out there to consider and I'm sure the finds will be interesting to say the least.

Peace

Post the link - I would like to revisit that thread too.

[blufire]

Had to share . . . . as I was reading this thread I watched my twin (2 year old) grand daughters strip bare naked and run around the yard in the clear mountian sunshine, arms outstreched and laughing hysterically
Think I might join them

[Krullenjongen]

Could it have something to do with the sexualisation (if that is even a word) of our society?
could it be a spinoff of the sexual revolution?
I don't know, but i have never seen bathing suits like nowadays

[christian]

Displaying skin was deemed offensive not too long ago, it's as simple as that. Nowadays it's ok and used to either cool down in the heat or to show off or to attract a desired mate, I figure. Anyways, if it's very hot and if I'd be out in the sun all day, I would do it like the Tuareg, how else could a sunburn be prevented? The bushmen have more trees to find some shadow, I guess.

During Akhenaten's reign in Egypt (1351–1334 BC) nudity was obligatory, for it symbolized utter truthfulness.

In the Digamabar tradition of Jainism (established more than 2000 years ago) monks are naked, there are still such monks in India today.

The athletes attending the Olympics in ancient Greece were nude.

Today nudism is practiced mostly in European countries, among them Germany, where around 1900 the first 'free body culture' club was founded. It is estimated that 7m out of 82m Germans practice it today. I am one of them. I like to feel the wind, sun and sometimes the rain without a layer of clothes inbetween me and the nature. And I'd feel sorry for my ass, if I'd keep him in the shadow all his life. I'm not ashamed, everyone is nude under the clothes, it's just a body, everyone has one. It's just what can be done with the body, that may be a reason for shame, by that I mean all kinds of immature behaviour, whether nude or clothed.

Madison Avenue style 'nudity' is not nudity, but rather teasing and showing off. By hiding virtually only the sex-organs, they are accentuated and this makes people think more about sex than if the last veil is actually lifted. In my experience, naturists are on average quite well educated and pretty comfortable and confident in their bodies, regardless of their actual body shape.

I think, if people around the world were nude more often, there'd be less wars!

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"What spirit is so empty and blind, that it cannot recognize the fact that the foot is more noble than the shoe, and skin more beautiful than the garment with which it is clothed?" - Michelangelo

[mahalall]

Recent increase in the cases of rickets is those parts of the world that enjoy greyness !(Northwest England)

" 90% of our vitamin D is made in the skin with the help of sunlight. A recent survey in the UK showed that more than half of the adult population in the UK has insufficient levels of vitamin D. In the winter and spring about 1 in 6 people has a severe deficiency. It is estimated that about 9 in 10 adults of South Asian origin may be vitamin D-deficient"

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Rickets...roduction.aspx
http://www.patient.co.uk/health/vita...deficiency.htm

With this knowledge i have positively adopted the french approach off hanging loose in the sun shine. Although it does have a detrimental social side effect. One of my neighbours every time she sees me she runs in doors. "Victorian perspective of the body has a lot to answer for"

[Violet]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
Maybe it’s their higher self telling them to do so…after all we are made from star dust. The Human body is a magnificent work of art and ingenuity, especially the woman’s body. We need the sun to survive. We feel sluggish and/or dispirited when there’s an overcast lasting longer than a few days. As with other animals of the planet, nudity is normal. When time passed, corruption set in and ego and self esteem issues rose. Love started dwindling away while false identities festered. Today, you can witness the lack of love (for self) by observing the extremes people go through to look quote-unquote “presentable”. The false feeling of importance through materialism, the need to have high end clothing and devices that really offer nothing but a famous name, cosmetics and plastic surgery for those that are not satisfied with their natural beauty.

Or rather the need to have a high-end body to display? It's more about the body here (not materialism) and whether there is a conscious correlation to the sensation of heat when going for lighter dress.

Different people have replied here - for which many thanks - and obviously there are so many reasons for taking off some clothes but heat seems to be the less frequent reason. Yet this is what we assume to be the reason on a sunny day.

Perhaps people are afraid to be associated with conservatism? I mean if you look at the landworkers in South America. They're all covered whilst working in the sun and they have these large sombreros, making their face disappear too. If you would ask these people how to protect oneself from the sun, they would probably not tell you to undress. But how many of us would actually take that advice and go out looking like a South American landworker or as a Tuareg?

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
Standards on what beauty truly is seem to be made by followers and ego maniacs.


Excuse my wordy response, but detail maybe needed for clarity. I don’t think humans need to be running around in the nude…but when we do dress up; the cloths we throw on should only be looked at as protection from the elements. Also, if you do some deeper research you will find that many Africans believe the sun provides them with special energy. This energy is absorbed through the living molecule called “Melanin”. (Check my thread “Melanin” for more details) https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...hp?919-Melanin

Well, I would say that surprisingly enough clothes do not serve as a protection from elements during two particular seasons.

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
The study goes all the way back to ancient Kamet/the Egyptians/and the Sumerians. The sun plays a big part in these cultures but most scientists’ today keep that discovery relatively quiet...why? who really knows... It’s a very deep subject and the average person may not be willing or honest enough to give it the proper research. Some Africans aren’t even privy to this information.

Yes, this part is highly interesting. As some people have indicated vitamine D is essential to the body yet sun and sunbeds are warned for because they are said to cause skin cancer. Well, many Africans should have skin cancer, I'd figure. What other secrets are there then to the sun? I wonder too.

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
You wanted to know why some people get naked…maybe this post will give you some extra things to look into… evocative, maybe not, nevertheless there is enough data out there to consider and I'm sure the finds will be interesting to say the least.

Peace

Yes, I have many perspectives now and they seem to be confirming my thoughts.

Thanks

[conk]

Posted by Shamz (here)

Posted by divine_moments_of_truth (here)
I think the main reason is that we rely on Vitamin E from the sun and it feels very good to catch some rays. I also heard reptilians enjoy sunbathing too...

I think its Vitamin-D that we get from sun-bathing - Vit E protects from harmful UV rays - thats what some research found out.

Going off topic, sorry, but add some good fatty acids to the E and the sun will not damage your skin.

[Mark]

Posted by chiquetet (here)
I think, if people around the world were nude more often, there'd be less wars!

Mhm. Everybody would be too busy laughing.

[Charlie Pecos]

Here's what I know: I tend to not get depressed when I get plenty of sunshine.
Watching women frolic about with no tops on certainly helps in that department!

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Well, as an Arizonan and outdoorsman, i speak from experience when i say that you DO NOT want a sunburn on the penis.

That might be the greatest post ever haha

[modwiz]

I love being naked. Give me sufficient temperatures (80+ F.) and I am not wearing clothes wherever I can. If a beach allows nudity I am raw in a nanosecond. Back in my hippie days I would go camping with friends and we would have our clothes off for every sunlit hour of the day. The air, the water, flowing across my skin is just wonderful and food for my body and soul.

Oh yeah, I sleep that way too.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by modwiz (here)
Attachment 10144I love being naked. Give me sufficient temperatures (80+ F.) and I am not wearing clothes wherever I can. If a beach allows nudity I am raw in a nanosecond. Back in my hippie days I would go camping with friends and we would have our clothes off for every sunlit hour of the day. The air, the water, flowing across my skin is just wonderful and food for my body and soul.

Oh yeah, I sleep that way too.

I wouldn't dream of going without clothing outside for too long, I am so pale, I burn in a full moon.

[Ernie Nemeth]

When I was a teenager there was this old quarry not far outside Montreal. My friends and I used to go there, male and female, take all our clothes off...and jump in the mud!
It was clay, really. Wet and light colored, tan. We'd wallow in it like pigs do, slopping around until we were covered in it. Then we'd get out and walk up the hill on a rocky path beside the sheer sides of the drop-off. We had a spot up there beyond a patch of small trees. And on those rocks, I guess they were granite, we'd sun ourselves until the mud dried. When we began to feel uncomfortable as our skin was pulled tight by the drying mud we'd get up and go the edge of the cliff. Below, the quarry was filled with water - beautiful, pristine, crystal clean water. The drop was maybe thirty or forty feet. And we would one by one dive and jump into the water below. Once immersed the caked-on mud would drop off in clumps. We'd rub our hands all over our bodies and wash away the rest of the mud and swim back to shore near the mud pit. There we'd gather our clothes, get dressed and drive back to the city.
The mud bath. It made your skin feel sooo good, for hours it would tingle. And it refreshened you in a way that can't be described. Thanks Violet - I haven't thought of that in ... well decades. And it was a good thread to start with today as I have just woke up from the very best dream I've had since I was twelve - my flying dreams! Thanks again.