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    "Who are the powers that be?"

    I think there are a couple of answers to this question in this new documantry that is being upload as we speak to 'you tube' called:'Shadow government (SG)'

    From the Six parts that I watched,most of the information we already know,and it will be interesting to see the conclusions,if there will be any,and hopefully,maybe some possible suggestions.

    I have been hesitant to open a new thread for this,maybe someone else will do that,because of the great amount of 'real life drama' that is presented in this documentry.as essential as it is to know the exact ingredients our reality is consists of,I also feel the need to move on and CREATE a surprisingly happy end! not the 'ever after' type more like the twist at the end of a complexed and convoluted movie plot,that leave the viewer with a great desire for more...
    anyway,enough rambling.lets see if we can get an answer here-


    Part one-




    Part two-




    Part three-

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    Part four-




    Part five-




    Part six-



    Maybe someone here will be willing to add the other parts when they will be uploaded...I am going to try and get some sleep : )

    Good Night and blessings to all !




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    If I told you, I would have to kill you.

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    @Bright Garlick,

    So what is your perspective on which parties are in control, and how their various agendas are playing out? I assume from your earlier statements you're not a believer that there is a monolithic PTB, but rather competing factions, some or all of which are not entirely 'bad.' So, how is it that you see these people? Where do you see the game playing out? What is it that you would like to share?
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    @Bright Garlick,

    So what is your perspective on which parties are in control, and how their various agendas are playing out? I assume from your earlier statements you're not a believer that there is a monolithic PTB, but rather competing factions, some or all of which are not entirely 'bad.' So, how is it that you see these people? Where do you see the game playing out? What is it that you would like to share?
    There isn't a monolith, not yet.
    That is what a lot of the conflict we see is, the attempts by different factions to force control over the other factions.
    View it like a political party and all the crap that goes on in the backrooms over who gets to run the show and who makes the policy.
    They all want to be Napoleon, no one wants to be the ice cream guy.

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    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    There isn't a monolith, not yet.
    That is what a lot of the conflict we see is, the attempts by different factions to force control over the other factions.
    View it like a political party and all the crap that goes on in the backrooms over who gets to run the show and who makes the policy.
    They all want to be Napoleon, no one wants to be the ice cream guy.
    Lord Sid, Thanks and I think this makes sense. I'm wondering, though, whether these various factions are all ultimately serving the same master(s). Are they all, even as they fight amongst themselves, working under the auspices of the same higher power? They all seem to have incredible wealth, power and control, much of it amassed through extraordinary means. These factions all seem to have technology/knowledge/access which may or may not be off-world in origin. So at a cosmic level, are our 3d Planetary PTB all being fed from the same (perhaps not five fingered) hand? Or is it still more complex than that?
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    Lord Sid, Thanks and I think makes sense. I'm wondering, though, whether these various factions are all ultimately serving the same master(s). Are they all, even as they fight amongst themselves, working under the auspices of the same higher power? They all seem to have incredible wealth, power and control, much of it amassed through extraordinary means. These factions all seem to have technology/knowledge/access which may or may not be off-world in origin. So at a cosmic level, are our 3d Planetary PTB all being fed from the same (perhaps not five fingered) hand? Or is it still more complex than that?
    They are all working for the same master.
    They have differing views on how things should be run and they all want to run it for themselves.
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    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    They are all working for the same master.
    They have differing views on how things should be run and they all want to run it for themselves.
    Here's where things start to get even more interesting. Why the seemingly mad scramble at this moment in time to consolidate power and be the top man? Surely this has gone on for centuries, but it seems like it's happening fast and dirty now. What do they think is coming? Are their masters the Aryans, and have they recently split town, as some have suggested, leaving their former proteges in charge?
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    Quote Posted by CurtisW (here)
    Here's where things start to get even more interesting. Why the seemingly mad scramble at this moment in time to consolidate power and be the top man? Surely this has gone on for centuries, but it seems like it's happening fast and dirty now. What do they think is coming? Are their masters the Aryans, and have they recently split town, as some have suggested, leaving their former proteges in charge?
    They are in a hurry to be the top dog when the boss arrives for an inspection.
    And yes, their master is an Aryan.
    I don't believe they have left town, they may come and go from Earth, but only locally, within this solar system.
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    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    They are in a hurry to be the top dog when the boss arrives for an inspection.
    And yes, their master is an Aryan.
    I don't believe they have left town, they may come and go from Earth, but only locally, within this solar system.
    I'm hoping this inspection will not bring with it natural disaster or some other form of cataclysm. Just out of curiosity how rare is one of these inspections, in terms of earth years?
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    Quote Posted by CurtisW (here)
    I'm hoping this inspection will not bring with it natural disaster or some other form of cataclysm. Just out of curiosity how rare is one of these inspections, in terms of earth years?
    I am not sure, but I would suspect that it occurs every 2000 years or so.
    Much like the ''second coming'' is meant to happen.
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    Greetings, Friend!

    We often hear talk about "The Powers That Be", as if they represented some force external to us. When we realize, however, that there really is nothing external to us, nor internal to us, then the low-level play of light and shadow that characterize this dreamscape will no longer constitute grounds for disturbance. Our good friend Milarepa shared with us that whatever appears is mind. This is worth pondering. When we ponder our minds, we may at first see a lot of production based on various causes and conditions, but if we are persistent in our inspection, we may come to realize that there is nothing there. Mind itself is empty. There is no conspiracy, there are no secret rulers, there is nothing to channel or worship or oppose. Now, if we persist in this natural state of true meditation, where there is nothing to see or experience or know, then something very interesting can happen. Something inexpressible. Only then will we understand the absolute innocence of all creation, let go of the past/present/future, stop trying to figure things out, stop trying to make things happen, and relax, at rest, at peace.

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    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    I am not sure, but I would suspect that it occurs every 2000 years or so.
    Much like the ''second coming'' is meant to happen.
    What consequences might this inspection have for humanity? And do you believe that a new Aryan leader might be installed here on the planet at that time?
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    Quote THE POWERS THAT BE — PUTTING THE “CON” IN CONSPIRACY

    Diagram of “The Powers That Be” / Definition of TPTB

    Most people have a sense of "how the world works." Within this frame of reference, a term like "The Powers That Be" would usually be thought to mean our elected politicians, especially at the national level, and perhaps a few other top players from politics and major corporations.

    We elect politicians on a regular basis, so in theory we are in charge of The Powers That Be (TPTB). But if that's really so, why is the will of the people not being carried out by TPTB? Why are things so royally messed up, regardless of which political party is in charge at the moment? The simple explanation is that the usual definition of The Powers That Be is grossly incomplete.

    Who Are The Powers That Be?

    If you want to know who really runs things in the world, check out the diagram of The Powers That Be below. In general, the higher on the chart that an entity appears, the more powerful it is in relationship to other entities. (The exceptions are the "Nouveau Riche," "Political Class," and "Industrial Families" entities, which vary greatly in their power level.)

    Figure 1. Diagram of The Powers That Be (TPTB)



    We aren't going to go through long descriptions of each part of TPTB. Others have done that, and at the end of the article we provide numerous resources for further study.

    However, there are a number of things worth noting about our diagram of The Powers That Be:

    1.The US Government is relatively low in the power structure. This may surprise you, but it's more correct to think of our national governments as part of the operations arm of TPTB, with the important decision making mostly happening above that level.

    2.Though our diagram only shows the US government, similar boxes for the European Union and the United Kingdom should also be in there. They were left out only to keep the number of boxes manageable. But the important players do include the EU and UK, as well as their central banks (the European Central Bank and the Bank of England) and their intelligence agencies.

    3.Political parties, as well as the battles between left/right and liberal/conservative, are nowhere to be seen on TPTB diagram. These political pairings are merely polarization traps to give us someone to blame (incorrectly) and keep us squabbling amongst ourselves while the root causes of our grievances go unaddressed. Democrats, Republicans, and national party members in other countries are indeed part of the control structure, but the entities have no power beyond their value as a polarizing force.

    4.Though the pieces on the PTB chessboard have changed somewhat over the last three centuries, the core theme remains the same. Power is based on a "central banking/warfare model," and it has been since the days when the Bank of England first extorted the right to profit from the management of Britain's money supply and since bankers in general figured out there was lots of money to be made by creating reasons for war and then working with both sides.

    5.Central banks like the Federal Reserve, the European Central Bank, and the Bank of England are owned by the big banks, which in turn are largely owned by the "Historically Wealthy/Powerful Families" entity, with some of that wealth being shared with the "minion classes"—the politicos and executives of corporations—as a way of establishing loyalty and dependence.

    6.Movements like "End the Fed" have correctly identified the US Federal Reserve as a problem, but it's not THE problem. As The Powers That Be diagram clearly shows, even the banks that own the central banks—brash, greedy, and devilish though they may be—are still just high-level minions in TPTB structure. To paraphrase currency historian Andrew Gause, to find the heart of darkness of TPTB, one must find "the owners of the owners of the central banks."

    7.Federal governments like those in Russia and China are less under the reigns of TPTB, though there is cooperation at some level, depending on the country. Some national governments like Venezuela have actively fought against the hegemony of the Western banking-military model (which explains the continual anti-Chavez stories we see in the corporate press).

    8.The United States struggled to keep the bankers at bay from the time of its founding to the early 1900s. Several privately owned US central banks came and went during that period, with presidents like Jefferson, Jackson, and Lincoln expending considerable effort against the bankers. But the bankers eventually won out, and control of the US money supply was formally ceded to the bankers with the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

    9.The centrality of bankers to the control structure of TPTB is why our diagram gives them their own box, even though they are technically part of the Corporate Complex.

    10.We've chosen not to give Western militaries their own box; they are part of the operational arm, under the national governments in the chain of command. They are, however, an important mechanism in the control structure of TPTB, even if the vast majority of those working in uniform or as civilians believe they are doing so for honorable reasons.

    11.The economic model of the bankers depends on the fractional reserve system, which essentially allows them to create vast quantities of "free money" to use in schemes that further their control (for instance: manipulating financial markets). It has been estimated that if the Federal Reserve's money-creation benefit (seigniorage) were reassigned to the US government, it would generate enough revenue for the government that personal income taxes could be eliminated.

    12.Other key vehicles The Powers That Be use to harvest wealth and exercise control are the global stock markets, commodities markets, and currency exchanges. Publicly held corporations send profits upward through the stock markets. Manipulation of all three is used to entice unsuspecting investors into the rigged markets, where TPTB's haul ranges from skimmed percentages to full take-downs.

    Don't Believe Us

    The intent of our diagram of The Powers That Be is to give you a map to help anchor your future learning about TPTB. Much of the diagram may seem crazy, impossible, or simply wrong to you. That gut reaction comes from a lifetime of learning within the educational institutions and media outlets of TPTB, which have carefully constructed a variety of plausible illusions that people can accept as "the truth" without actually digging deeper to find the real truth.

    For now, if you don't believe that our diagram is correct, that's fine. All we ask is that you continue to spend time learning, keeping the diagram in mind. As you do, you may see new possible explanations for how things really are. In time, your research may lead to conclusions that will be far different from your beliefs today.

    Disempowering The Powers That Be

    We each have our theories about why the world is so screwed up. We each have pet peeves we'd like to see addressed and have solutions we think will fix things. But whether it's reforming welfare or reducing military expenditures or fixing health care or cleaning up pollution, working on such issues is really just tinkering at the margins. We may win battles, but we're losing the war. The comprehensive control structure of TPTB is what must be addressed.

    IS IT A CONSPIRACY?

    Does there really need to be a reason beyond the lure of money and power for the world's top dogs to work together to ensure their continued position at the apex of Mt. Money?

    That said, the word conspiracy has gotten a bad rap. That's intentional on the part of those that engage in conspiracies! Implying that all "conspiracy theorists" are wackos with too much time on their hands helps keeps the general populace from wanting to look further in certain directions.

    The mainstream press routinely makes fun of anyone who points out that there may be more to a story that meets the eye—any suggestion of a deep conspiracy is put off as "tin-foil-hat talk." People are encouraged to assume that conspiracies are just the fanciful musings of nut-jobs and Hollywood producers.

    Interestingly enough, once a person puts on their "Powers That Be goggles" and starts seeing information with new eyes, many of the movie plots we once thought to be rather ridiculous start seeming a lot more plausible, and the idea that all conspiracies are just loony talk is seen for what it is—a control mechanism.

    The Powers That Be are long-term thinkers; they are very patient; they have spent several centuries making their control structure comprehensive. It will not be easily undone. Yet that is exactly what must happen if we are to solve all of the other problems we care about and reclaim from the corp-gov state our sovereign rights as individuals.

    Here's a quick-start guide to doing your part in disempowering The Powers That Be:

    1. Keep learning.

    Not every mainstream media (MSM) story is propaganda, but most are at least tainted with disinformation or deceptive framing. (That includes NPR, PBS, and BBC.) MSM news should be only a minor part of your information diet.

    http://www.grinningplanet.com/articl...on-of-tptb.htm
    PS - Having Cut & Pasted this generalisation, I think the Short-Form Power Structure looks a little more like this...

    Quote Top to Bottom
    • Off & On-World ET's
    • Mystery Religions (Secret Knowledge)
    • 13 Families
    • Factions
    • 3 Letter Agencies
    • UN, Govt's & Vatican/Church
    • Minions
    • Minions Minions, etc..
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    it's you and I
    This post will, at once, serve to both mystify and demystify MY condition, depending on the observer!

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    They are in a hurry to be the top dog when the boss arrives for an inspection.
    And yes, their master is an Aryan.
    I don't believe they have left town, they may come and go from Earth, but only locally, within this solar system.
    I'm hoping this inspection will not bring with it natural disaster or some other form of cataclysm. Just out of curiosity how rare is one of these inspections, in terms of earth years?
    I am not sure, but I would suspect that it occurs every 2000 years or so.
    Much like the ''second coming'' is meant to happen.
    What consequences might this inspection have for humanity? And do you believe that a new Aryan leader might be installed here on the planet at that time?
    I have the feeling that the predictions in revelations are accurate, to a degree.
    The war between the ''gods'' never actually ended and I think the next round will be here and not that far away.
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    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

    I have the feeling that the predictions in revelations are accurate, to a degree.
    The war between the ''gods'' never actually ended and I think the next round will be here and not that far away.
    Agreed Sid,

    It all Boils Down to that elusive 'Hidden Knowledge' & 'Our True History' (which we have be Robbed of)..!

    We've all heard of the 'Quickening' there are 'No - If's or But's About It' next round will be here and not that far away..!

    The War is not only Planetary, but Inter-Dimensional aswell...

    Quote "The day of the absolute is over, and we're in for the strange gods once more."
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    Hi Nice question. I will provide some answers on my blog in time. Maybe more in a couple of weeks. But not here.

    Quote Posted by CurtisW (here)
    @Bright Garlick,

    So what is your perspective on which parties are in control, and how their various agendas are playing out? I assume from your earlier statements you're not a believer that there is a monolithic PTB, but rather competing factions, some or all of which are not entirely 'bad.' So, how is it that you see these people? Where do you see the game playing out? What is it that you would like to share?


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    Sorry Lord Sidious - your understanding of TPTB is all wrong. Maybe you are thinking of other groups ruled by greed and stupidity but not the ones who make real decisions. I am afraid it isn't that black and white. If I told you some were ordinary people with families, who have no vested interest in control - that might shift how you see things. Might ?

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    @Bright Garlick,

    So what is your perspective on which parties are in control, and how their various agendas are playing out? I assume from your earlier statements you're not a believer that there is a monolithic PTB, but rather competing factions, some or all of which are not entirely 'bad.' So, how is it that you see these people? Where do you see the game playing out? What is it that you would like to share?
    There isn't a monolith, not yet.
    That is what a lot of the conflict we see is, the attempts by different factions to force control over the other factions.
    View it like a political party and all the crap that goes on in the backrooms over who gets to run the show and who makes the policy.
    They all want to be Napoleon, no one wants to be the ice cream guy.

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    Quote Posted by CurtisW (here)
    They all seem to have incredible wealth, power and control, much of it amassed through extraordinary means.
    I am afraid that this is naive thinking. Some but not all. Too much us and them thinking and 'alternative conditioning' encourages this attitude. Come with a don't know mind and you will understand better.
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    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    They are all working for the same master.
    They have differing views on how things should be run and they all want to run it for themselves.
    Same master no. One leader yes. Differing views yes. To run it for themselves - no. Some but not those with greatest control. Shared agreements.

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    Quote Posted by CurtisW (here)
    Here's where things start to get even more interesting. Why the seemingly mad scramble at this moment in time to consolidate power and be the top man? Surely this has gone on for centuries, but it seems like it's happening fast and dirty now. What do they think is coming? Are their masters the Aryans, and have they recently split town, as some have suggested, leaving their former proteges in charge?
    Maybe a desire by some to fulfill religious prophecies but those with real control ensure this does not happen. Top man no. Equal aliens, equal humans yes.

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    Curtis - they are always here. No inspection. Don't fear imagined disasters. Be awake to coming of age in the milky way ;-) .
    Last edited by ThePythonicCow; 4th October 2011 at 13:18. Reason: fix quote'ing; reduce nested quoting depth

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