Are blue-eyed boys and girls more brilliant?.

[Teakai]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
They must have forgotten that India is the biggest "brilliant scientists" exporter...They also have forgotten that most of our state-of-the-art technology comes from Asia...

This is so ridiculous... It made me remember of an old "science" called Fisiognomony, which used to judge people by their body characteristics...Fisiognomony allowed us to predict if this one or the other were criminals just by looking at the shbape of their nose and ears...Of course, it´s proved to be wrong.

I honestly think someone should close this thread .

Why?
people who believe crazy stuff will believe it if the thread is closed. Wouldn't it be better to use this thread to reason and perhaps shine some kind of understanding on the lack of validity and reasoning behind holding certain ideas?

[Ellisa]

Before we blue-eyed geniuses get carried away perhaps we should, in the spirit of the anecdotal nature of the conclusions reached, look at the results of, for eg, school-leaving examinations. Here in Australia the leading scores are predominately those of students with Asian backgrounds, especially Chinese. They have brown eyes. It is racial stereotyping to suggest that they merely work hard and don't have so much involvement in extra-curricula activities, which contrasts with the image of a lazy, lay about surfer which is usually that of a blue-eyed blonde. Perhaps we should, in my opinion, admit that this research seems to verge on complete bunkum based as it is more on preconceived ideas and less on scientific fact!

Teakai has a good suggestion---that we examine how such a badly reasoned idea has gained hold! RMorgan has an even better idea though!

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Ellisa (here)
Before we blue-eyed geniuses get carried away perhaps we should, in the spirit of the anecdotal nature of the conclusions reached, look at the results of, for eg, school-leaving examinations. Here in Australia the leading scores are predominately those of students with Asian backgrounds, especially Chinese. They have brown eyes. It is racial stereotyping to suggest that they merely work hard and don't have so much involvement in extra-curricula activities, which contrasts with the image of a lazy, lay about surfer which is usually that of a blue-eyed blonde. Perhaps we should, in my opinion, admit that this research seems to verge on complete bunkum based as it is more on preconceived ideas and less on scientific fact!

Teakai has a good suggestion---that we examine how such a badly reasoned idea has gained hold! RMorgan has an even better idea though!

A lot of this is also down to work eithic too.
The chinese are far ahead of the ''aussie'' kids.

[from_Brzil]

Posted by Hamish (here)
I am blue eyed and you best believe I am not Brillaint. <------

Hehe... But, you do have a sense of humor.. ;-)

Abraço.

[moonchild]

FOFL!!!
And yet the Asians and their brown eyes are always tops in class....hmm I wonder!!!

[Curt]

Or we could deduce that this study may be about racial issues and not just a harmless bit of untested observation. Hardly seems worth the space it takes up.
I suspect ulterior motives.

This does seem to play to some pretty obvious racial biases. Anecdotally, some rather intelligent Asian peoples with brown eyes, presumably seem to be doing quite well in academia and in the professions. Even the problematic book "The Bell Curve" by Hernstein and Murray has Asian populations' (largely brown eyed) IQ's significantly higher than those of European extraction, (where blue eyes are perhaps most common.) But the whole 'science of intelligence' is pretty iffy anyway. Especially when you consider that IQ's of children from populations with lower IQ's, according to 'the data', when adopted by middle class families with high levels of education have been proven to increase by 5-10 points. This suggests that there is more going on than genetics and 'race' much less eye color. There's so much room for abuse with these sorts of studies.

[Curt]

Why? people who believe crazy stuff will believe it if the thread is closed. Wouldn't it be better to use this thread to reason and perhaps shine some kind of understanding on the lack of validity and reasoning behind holding certain ideas?

I agree totally. Why not see how much purchase this silly idea has in the marketplace of ideas...hash it out a bit....

[Tane Mahuta]

What about those who are blind?

Ray Charles, Stevie Ray Wonder!
Abdurrahman Wahid - former President of Indonesia (1940- )
Al Hibbler
Audre Lorde - Poet - Activist (1934 - 1992)
Blind Lemon Jefferson - (1893 - 1929) - Blues musician & singer
Blind Willie McTell - (1901 - 1959)
Brandon Jardine - was stabbed in the eyes by his parents with red hot pokers in 1991.
Clarence Carter - (born 1936)
David Blunkett - (born 1947) - British ex-cabinet minister
Denise Leigh - opera singer and winner of Channel 4's Operatunity
Dorothea Lange - Photographer (1895 - 1965)
Dr William Moon - inventor of Moon system of reading
Eamon de Valera - (1882 - 1975) - President of Ireland.
Eduard Degas - French painter
Ella Fitzgerald - (1917 - 1996) - jazz singer - went blind as a result of diabetes in her old age. Enrico Dandolo - (died 1205) - doge of Venice - blind from trauma.
Esmond Knight - British actor
Fritz Lang - (1890 - 1976) - nearly blind at the end of his life
Francisco Goya - (1746 - 1828) - painter - became blind and deaf in late life - painted blind(ed) subjects.
Frankie Armstrong - English folk singer and voice teacher - sight degraded in late teens onwards from glaucoma
George Shearing - (1919 - ) - jazz pianist.
Gilbert Montagn
Ginny Owens - Gospel singer - totally blind from age 2
Harilyn Rousso - Disability Rights Activist/Psychotherapist (1946-)
Henry Fawcett - UK Postmaster General - 19th Century
Homer - Greek poet said to have been blind.
Honor Daumier - (1808 - 1879) - French caricaturist - painter - and sculptor - blind later in life.
Isaac the Blind - (1160 - 1235) - French cabbalist (possibly blind from birth)
Isaac - biblical patriarch
James Joyce - (1882 - 1941) - writer - at times blind - underwent several operations
Jessica Callahan - singer - blind from retinopathy of prematurity
Jhamak Ghimire - Nepalese Poet and Writer (1980)
Joaquin Rodrigo - composer - from an illness at age three
Johann Sebastian Bach - (1685 - 1750) - became blind in later life.
John II of Aragon - (1397 - 1479) - able to see again after cataract surgery (couching) by Abiathar Crescas
John Wesley Powell - Explorer - Geologist (1834 - 1902)
Jose Feliciano - (born 1945) - blind from birth due to congenital glaucoma
Joshua Reynolds - (1723 -1792) - British painter - blind later in life.
Judi Chamberlin - Mental Patients' Liberation Activist (1944-)
King John the Blind of Bohemia - (1309 - 1346)
Mike May - (born 1954) - regained partial vision due to stem cell research.
Ronnie Milsap
Samson - Biblical character - blinded by the Philistines
St. Paul - Apostle
Stalebread Lacombe - Jazz musician - went blind in middle age
Surdas - a Hindu poet - saint and musician of India
Tim Cordes
Tom Wiggins (1849 -1908)
W.C. Handy - (1873 -1958) - Blues composer - went blind in middle age
Wilma Mankiller - Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation (1945-)
Zohar Sharon - blind pro golfer

Read more: http://www.disabled-world.com/artman...#ixzz1V5j7arWQ

TM

[Lord Sidious]

Éamon de Valera was almost blind, but wasn't born blind, so that is a bit of a moot point.
I won't forgive him for sending Míċeál Ó Coileáin, or Michael Collins to you non celts to london to sign that damn treaty that turned us against our own.

[Tane Mahuta]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Éamon de Valera was almost blind, but wasn't born blind, so that is a bit of a moot point.
I won't forgive him for sending Míċeál Ó Coileáin, or Michael Collins to you non celts to london to sign that damn treaty that turned us against our own.

What colour were his eyes, before he went blind?

TM

[Martin]

Well, I do think that Albert Einstein had brown eyes, so I guess there is still hope for people like me! But I generally doubt that the colour of the eyes have anything to do with intelligence. It just doesn't ring true to me, but maybe that's why I have brown eyes to begin with ... oh boy.


Martin

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Tane Mahuta (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Éamon de Valera was almost blind, but wasn't born blind, so that is a bit of a moot point.
I won't forgive him for sending Míċeál Ó Coileáin, or Michael Collins to you non celts to london to sign that damn treaty that turned us against our own.

What colour were his eyes, before he went blind?

TM

I don't know and can't find that info on the net.

[TigaHawk]

I think that trying to deem that someone is better than someone else purely becuase of cosmetic looks (Eye color, skin color, hair color, shape or size) is nothing more than a pathetic attempt at stirring trouble.


But for this particular topic, I will go ahead and say yes it is true, that everyone with blue eyes is extreamly smart. I only say this because when we are born, EVERYONES eyes are blue.

[modwiz]

There is no question that blue-eyed bleach blonds have a special kind of intellect.

[shamanseeker]

The people who decided that blue-eyed children are the intellectual descendents of the scientists who worked for Nazi Germany. My family are blond with blue eyes but I have taught Korean children who were far ahead of the other students at an International American school. I later taught them privately in their homes and saw how healthily they ate. I asked one of the fathers one day if this might have something to do with their high achievement and he kept nodding his head - yes, yes, yes, he repeated. The teachers at the school said that they were better because their parents were hard on them and they had to study too much. This was not true. I was in their homes and saw how sweet they are with their children - more kind and loving than in many homes in the west. Prejudice is a terrible thing!

[7 of 9]

I think that the green-eyed people are definitely the most intelligent and have incredible deductive skills!

[transiten]

Just a thought:

There are some blue eyed pple that are smarter than some brown eyed pple and there are some brown eyed pple that are smarter than some blue eyed ones. There are some African, Euopean, American women that are stronger than some Asian men, even stronger than some from their own race..

What's the mening and interest of this topic? Goodbye

[Agape]

Posted by shamanseeker (here)
The people who decided that blue-eyed children are the intellectual descendents of the scientists who worked for Nazi Germany. My family are blond with blue eyes but I have taught Korean children who were far ahead of the other students at an International American school. I later taught them privately in their homes and saw how healthily they ate. I asked one of the fathers one day if this might have something to do with their high achievement and he kept nodding his head - yes, yes, yes, he repeated. The teachers at the school said that they were better because their parents were hard on them and they had to study too much. This was not true. I was in their homes and saw how sweet they are with their children - more kind and loving than in many homes in the west. Prejudice is a terrible thing!

And I'd say : yes, yes and yes again..the whole topic may well have lots to do with upbringing.
Children reared with great love, empathy, interest , without being hurt and punished and regulated so heavily as it was once the habbit in Europe , no matter how smart they are, can become brilliant .
It's just normal to be ..unless ..and that's the case in many families ..you're discriminated on behalf of your gender, judged against your siblings and parents , your beauty and talent become part of some medieval contest for conformity.

I've been long in India and generally, I've never seen the kids there being beaten or yelled upon, they are allowed to do what they wish. Those from poor families sometimes work, help their parents, rise younger kids but they are happy .
I've seen how Chinese, Japanese or Tibetan people , most of them, treat their children..like little deities at times. They have faith in them .

You can spot a family where children are mistreated from long distance . Among these people who were not touched by 'western' psychology training ,
it becomes even more obvious where is the fault.
I've met hundreds of native families when I was in India and it was only once when a particular mum with two young kids came to my notice , I sat inside a little temple where they used to come but I saw them outside on few ocassions as well.
Immediately, this struck me as a lightening, the feeling of fear ..neurotic mum who commanded and controlled the children on every step.
When they went right it was wrong, when they went left it was wrong too. I knew the feeling so intimately from my own childhood , and I was miles away from being endangered by it but could be recognized immediately.

And all I know is that the hurts are so often passed from generation to generation, mothers -daughters, fathers- sons . It's so different when you loved and cherished than being hated for some pesky little reason, even from one single person in the universe who is, at that time your closest link to the world.

Why do I say that ..from what I've seen in western culture ..naturally blond hair and blue eyes are beautiful and cute . If you are cute, beautiful , lovable ..and evoke feelings of innocence and need of protection, there's far more probability that you'll be surrounded with love and protected from hurts .


Many kids are born with blond hair that later turn dark ..and vice versa. There's heredity in role of course , plus climatic conditions.


Brilliance truly has only to do with love and acceptance and with fitting to the flock you're meant to fly with ..