Free Energy?! No way in hell!

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hi All

Don't kill me yet! Please...

This thread is intended for dropping off our baggage of fear free energy brings to the table. Feel free to describe as hellish scenarios as you could ever dream up in your worst nightmares...

Best wishes
Robert

P.S. This thread was inspired by Wade Frazier's post here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post330978

P.P.S
Maybe we could post some thoughts explaining source and mechanics of free energy fear here?

[edit Oct. 14th, 2011 20:40 GMT]
Dear Avalonians,
The title of this thread has been chosen purposefully. It is a hint
If you feel bad about this thread you should check this thread out
A Future Earth

This "negative" thread can't provide more energy for darkness to hinder propagation of free energy. Don't worry Raising our awareness of darkness don't makes more darkness if we just observe it without judgment (ie. blowing a fuse or cheering it)...

[edit Oct. 19th, 2011 12:40 GMT]
This thread is intended for discussing arguments against use of FE. Propositions
on how to deal with fear of FE fit here as well. But i have doubts about elaborating
on science behind FE in THIS thread. It is a little diluting and exhausting...

I think that somebody who is afraid of ghosts cares not about how a ghost "works" or how it can manifest itself in physical plane. She/he is afraid of WHAT a ghost can do to her/him. And does not argue if it is real. IT IS period. Same for FE.

I hope you agree with me... But if i am wrong (or proping another strawman) i will back off on the above statement. I really think we discuss some grave problem here...

If you want to discuss free energy physics, consider posting here:
Free Energy Physics (for members only, sorry )

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Robert,

I believe, the fear of free energy is mostly the fear of change and fear of loosing status (power and control over!). That is at least for some of the "upper" levels.

The "lower" levels (those with little power and control over), fear that free energy may be used as tool to further enslave them. They fear that free energy will be weaponized. Also, at this level, some of them fear their way of living life becoming obsolete. For example lawyers and stock brokers.

So free energy is perceived by almost anyone, as a threat to the status quo!

If free energy is somehow leaked to the public as a "FE Weapon" we will have a very short war on our hands. We will have powerful weapons, with virtually unlimited amo, but only a limited number of lives. So once we're done killing each other, the survivor will notice that he (yes, he ) cannot eat the weapon, so he will die of starvation. Mother Earth will sigh with relief that the "FE wars" are over and will restart all over again!

[Billy]

I cannot think of any fear/nightmare Scenarios if the right people bring free energy forward,

Free energy is already in the wrong hands and used for the wrong purposes by the greedy elites, It is being used for weapons, and not for the betterment of humanity, It is used for space travel but not for the betterment of humanity.

The fear is on the side of TPTW, they fear losing control and power. They would rather destroy the planet and humanity with oil and nuclear energy than share the technology to assist the planet and humanity. Only one answer. Get rid of TPTW then you get rid of the fear, and allow humanity to journey forward with the advanced technology that should have been up and running almost a 100yrs ago.

[Peter Kraai]

I really see a resource-based economy as the solution to develop our technology, I think we'd be able to jump ahead 10 years, as most technology is already invented, but not yet funded. what if you don't need funding ? free energy would become the main use of energy, and everyone would be allowed the same resources.. I say screw the economy, burn all the money ! ^^

[The One]

Why aren't we using free energy power?

Fact: Most ways we generate electricity are, at best 40% efficient.

Solution: Use a proven Magnetic Energy method and get over 100% efficiency, or even up to 1000% efficient!

Did you know that cars can operate on water with 100 miles per gallon? Or that you can pull Free Electricity right out of thin air with magnets? It’s true. Free Energy Power is real.

All you need for Free Energy power is a machine that outputs more energy than it consumes. There machines are called overunity. Machines like this have been around for the last 100 years. But for some reason and we all no why they have never really been utilized.

Most of these machines use a magnetic field to extract energy from the active environment around it. A huge misconception is the fact that empty space is empty. This is not true. Empty space is really full of pure energy. This energy can be tapped into from any place in the universe with a simple bar magnet.

Let me explain. Imagine you have two rooms connected with a door. In one room it is 90 degrees, and the other is 50 degrees. When the door is opened, the temperature with drop as the two rooms reach a balanced temperature This is the same concept with the magnet. It is extracting energy from the forth dimension Time and we can measure it in the third. Remember there are four dimensions, length, width, height, and time / space.



This is not some crazy concept. A noble prize was awarded in December 1957 to Tsung – Dao Lee and Chen Ning Yang for this fact. 50 years ago we knew we could get free energy power from this. But for some reason we still use fossil fuels. If we really want to use free energy power, we need to change our way at looking electricity. Take your normal tv remote control. Most people will tell you the battery is powering the remote. This is not true. What is actually happening is this.



The chemical energy in the battery is making a small dipole magnet. This magnet is pulling energy in from the active environment around it and powering the circuit. Here is the problem… All electrical circuits are deliberately set up to be in balance with the active environment. The current way drains the battery, because it consumes the charge. If you set the circuit up to be OUT of balance with the active environment, it will have a siphoning effect and pull energy from the 4th dimension.



This is how you get energy for free. You only use a little energy to get the dipole magnet then you extract all the energy you need plus some to return back to the source. The dipole magnet can be anything from a battery, generator, magnet, or motor. Most free energy machines you will ever hear about are doing something similar. Its just they are doing in a different way. Just look at how many different cars we have. Yet if you look at the big picture, they all do pretty much the same thing.


The only problem with free energy power is this. We will not see any commercial machines in near future. The people in control will never let that happen. It’s a $440 billion dollar a year industry. They will never let that go. SO what can we do? Well you can build your own. Free energy power is real and there is lots of research. You just need to do your homework and find out what type works best for your application.

[Gardener]

I have said this before on occasion, so I am sure others have said/felt it too.
"I am sure 'free energy' is possible, why would it not be with a planet full of quartz for starters, let alone what surrounds us in every conceivable place. So.... what is it in me that might remotely be construed as fear of it, well this thought is excercising me now and as yet I have no grounds to fear it; here are some obstacles which may affect my 'belief' that it may come about. Please understand I am using a little free association here just to get it out and try to understand why it isn't the hot topic of conversation for everyone on the planet given the situation with economic needs and ecological preservation.
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Some things which apply to me but may also apply to many others:
I am not remotely technically minded, have precious little knowledge of physics, have no ability in regard to constructing a device which would supply my energy needs. i.e. Someone else will have to do it, (someone elses resposibility)
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'Free' energy? Nothing is free, there no such thing, everything has a cost. (current paradigm) maybe the name itself restricts any confidence in it becoming a reality. Example 'if its free it can't be up to much' Another name may be more appealing....earth energy....eco supply....energy source supply..
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My thoughts also go to the black gold industry and their prevention of anyone aquiring the technology and what they will and have done to people in the pursuit of keeping it out of public domain. If I had the knowledge and ability to produce the device, I would be looking over my shoulder. This is not an irrational fear. I guess it may prevent some people from actually doing anything.
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People expect to pay..........Often the more the better it is!
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Sometimes bringing about a big change requires a big change, in order to bring it about; maybe a common adversity, or cataclysm, something which puts all the electricity out for a prolonged period.
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The collective psyche it seems is not equiped for a phase change, or new way of being.
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Perhaps if it were started and like a virus infected a couple more and they infected another eight and before long whole towns and cities had caught the bug..............
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I simply don't know, I am perplexed, and Socrates did say that perplexity is a good thing, it leads to deep questioning in a search for answers.

g

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his lateral cap...

The problem is a bit like the disclosure issue. How do you do it without freaking out the population. Yes sourcing energy from overunity devices represents an opportunity to siphon of abundant and apparently free energy. This will have an obvious and immediate impact on the current power generating industries. ie they will all eventually be out of work. The problem however is not restricted to just that industry.

The depth of the impact needs to be looked at in light of what happens when the inevitable paradigm shift in the current tightly controlled understanding of Physics filters out into other areas. What might happen if mankind where able to precursor engineer 4d reality itself. It really is all about manipulation of scalar electro-magnetic frequencies folks...

Having mastered releasing energy from matter (think atomic bomb) the real challenge has always been to master making matter from energy.

So for the non technically minded imagine a world where almost anything you could possibly need, including food, is made in a Startrek type replicator. Add to that the ability to live in a 25 year old meat suit for 1000+ years courtesy of frequency based medicine. How would you pass the time since almost all traditional jobs would be redundant??

I'm just not sure that 7 billion people could, almost overnight, take up navel contemplation or tiddlywinks to while away the time...

One last thought re siphoning energy from the time dimension... how can we be sure that our gain is not some other entities dimensional loss (eual and opposite reaction?) and since we have no real idea it could be another possible explanation / source for the apparent ruthless suppression of such info / tech by known and unkown quarters, no?

[Carmody]

The energy really isn't free, we are merely tickling, via oscillation or via sudden 'snap' (the medium is a dual direction toroidal overlay/spiral.. it is elastic, resonant, marginally unidirectional (asymmetric in energy realization in this plane) and polarized (due to the multi-axis components), and the basic frameworks is moved into into a polarization-agreeance.... that allows more of the base energies in the system..into geometric alignment with this expression of reality.

If you read that sentence, as convoluted as it is, it becomes plain that the 'energy' comes from somewhere.. not nowhere. The question is what does this drain/exchange/transfer do (actuate/action) on the 'other' side?

[Gardener]

I can not pretend to understand what you are explaining Carmody, however I think I get the gist of parts of it. Multi-density/hyperdimensional expressions sit well with me, so I can understand the cost to another expression may be too great for this expression to 'take' what it 'wants', and the ramifications may seriously unbalance the hyperdimenional eco-system. i.e. we don't know what we, in our primative form, are doing.

If something has a 'go to' then it must have a 'come from' (or is that polarised thinking). How about turning it around, what can another expression take from this one? We feed the moon (hyperdimensionally) Gurdjieff says, with negative emotional energy, where might this fit the cost gain scenario. The problem that I find emerging now in my thinking is that we are attempting to solve this 'free-energy' requirement in a mechanical way, outside of us.

Back to thinking......
g

[Wade Frazier]

Hi All:

I have a few minutes before I run off to work. I would like to pose one question today: where does any energy come from? Ultimately? It ain’t the sun, and it ain’t from radioactivity. Even white science comes up with some quasi-mystical Big Bang, where everything came from nothing in an instant. If it happened that way, where did the Big Bang come from? Our so-called laws of physics, even the understandings in the black science world, aren’t even beginning to account for the Creator. The “law” of energy never being created or destroyed arose from the musings of mathematical geniuses whose comprehension of the Creator was a bit shy of mastery.

My suspicion is that the ZPF is divine in nature, and until we manifest sufficient collective diving intention, we are not going to get any. That fact that the Big Boys have it, and we do not get any, is another manifestation of the lack of sufficient collective divine intention. Personal integrity is the world’s scarcest commodity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

which is simply another indicator that we have not been able to muster sufficient divine intention (AKA love). Once enough of us do, then the harmonic effects may kick in, and we get over the hump. One thing that I read once is that tapping the ZPF as a society is like Star Trek’s “warp speed” threshold for a civilization to be eligible for contact. When we truly tap the ZPF as a collective, all other civilizations that can tap it will become aware of us. There is a lot more on “the other side” of the ZPF than we can imagine. If our hearts are pure, all will be well.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Wade,

Your question "where does any energy comes from" always leads me back to these three questions that have not been answered (to my satisfaction anyway):

- what is energy?
- what is mass?
- what is "substance"?

During our school times these words get repeated over an over again, with some "quasi circular definitions" until we just stop asking what they are. (This happens with a lot of the so call "common sense laws" that we take for granted).

The best definition I have for energy at this time is: "Energy is all that is". And yes, in a sense energy is the Divine, but also what we would call the "mundane" (just a different manifestation of said "energy").

(If you are curious of how much of what we think we know goes unquestioned, I recommend the book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" by Robert M. Pirsig)

[zenith]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
where does any energy come from? Ultimately?

Within.

[Gardener]

A pure heart, ahhh, how can we be anywhere near knowing? Until the unconscious complexes which affect behaviour are cleared or at least made conscious? Until then do I know who I am? Do I know why I do things? Does what I want for the world concurr with what the world needs, or the divine knows it needs. Is my intent just me thinking I know in my wisest (cough cough) earthly way.

Each layer of this subject brings more and more questions deeper and deeper. What gives me hope is that each of us has a perspective through which each of us can contribute our collective thinking; the intent (call it what you will) seems to be in forming a collective pool of ........ of what, energy? Justness?
g

[jcocks]

While the energy field that we would tap into would not be infinite per se, for all intents and purposes it would be infinite due to the sheer amount of it available to draw from within the field. My gut tells me that there is that much energy there that we could draw all the energy we could ever need from the field and the effect would be so miniscule on the other side that it would consume more energy to replace that energy than to just let it be. The universe would not make that energy available if it were to endanger its' existance. Besides, what's not to say that we don't put energy back into the field unknowingly?

As for the "divine intention" bit - LIE, big fat f'in LIE. It's just shocking how big the lie is - it's massive. They even LIE to us about our own nature - tell us we're brutes, that we're not worthy.

LIE

And we believe it.

Once we stop believing the LIE - and that is coming - the transformation we will undergo will be massive. Much larger than mere free energy. We have no idea - because the lie extends beyond our own confines, beyond this little planet we call earth, beyond this little slice of reality we call the third dimension. It's so big. Yet it's unbelievably flimsy. All that needs to happen is for enough of us to truly, in our own hearts, stop believing the lie and peel back the conditioning, and it will literally fall away.

My belief is that there will be events that will soon occur that will expose a lot of this for all to see very easily - without the interferance of TPTW in the process, but it will still be up to all of us individually to decide if we want to acknowledge what is shown.

[Davidallany]

Very positive and true title, it's good to be positive. I love it.

Good job on the thread.

[Gardener]

Wade [....That fact that the Big Boys have it, and we do not get any, is another manifestation of the lack of sufficient collective divine intention.

But do they have it really, if ZPF is divine in nature? Or are we looking at a divine which has a duality which in effect would permit/accomodate evil on an equal basis to a pure heart. Or is this a value judgement. Or even if they do have access to it, will they in their self-important hubris destroy themselves. Kind of reminds me of the myth of the 'Ark of the covenant' only the pure could approach it.

I am struggling to keep up with the conversation on all the threads on this...........can any of them be combined, np if not.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Posted by Davidallany (here)
Greetings, the title of the thread works against the intended message and underminds it's power. (...)

David would you like to elaborate more on your statement?

This thread is a mental excersise. To help us better understand why we don't use FE on a daily basis yet. To pinpoint the cause of the earthly state of affairs.

The title was chosen purposefully. It is a hint

[scanner]

We've had free energy since the early 1900's Nikola Tesla. JP Morgan funded Tesla, Morgan found he could not meter the supply of energy, so Morgan broke Tesla .

https://youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=_kdg49YaI4Q

[Davidallany]

David would you like to elaborate more on your statement?

Yes sir.
I love you thread, very promising and thank you for the information. It seems I was in error.

Good job.

[1159]

So called free energy still comes with a grave price. Imagine a similar scenario; 100 million brand new cars suddenly are given away-totally free- no tricks PLUS an unlimited supply of fuel forever! After one week, my guess is every road and highway would be gridlocked. The parralell is in fact very similar, but goes on to be even worse. Free energy means free unlimited electrcity. Now, if we did the same thing with electrcity as we did with the cars, we can only speculate on the explosion of electrical machines that would be used, with impunity. No-one would need to 'turn lights off' turn the heating down or regulate any energy expenditure. The environmental pollution backlash would be devastating.

It's the kid in a sweetshop when rich daddy is paying syndrome. How on earth you regulate the 'greed factor' Think about this carefully; no matter how wonderful the idea of 'free energy ' is, are we as a species responsible and mature enough to deal with the greed and excess that this would produce?