Free Energy?! No way in hell!

[Wade Frazier]

Well, Robert, you sure know how to stir up sh*t. I found myself laughing, in a good way, about how this thread has gone so far. It makes me think that I should get one of those negative visions written sooner than later, to center the thread on my intention for it, which Ilie once again articulated better than I can.

This fear of free energy thread is bringing appropriate stuff up for examination. For some of the responses, it seems that tongues are in cyber-cheeks, and for others I am not sure. The standard environmentalist cry of fear is well represented here, too:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose...ironmentalists

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level5

I talked about those kinds of reactions in my interviews with Scott:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/public.htm#interviews

Getting those fears on the table is fine, but I want to respond to Gardener’s excellent question on if the ZPF is divine in nature, how come the “bad guys” have technology that can tap it? This is going to be a wide-ranging post, but it will at least give the bones of my perspective. Again, it is just my perception, and Adam may have a different one, or Dennis, or Brian O (especially these days with his newly cosmic awareness), or Greer, and so on. My perception was developed through my wild journey. For starters, planets have likely been blown up, Alderaan-style, in the past. We have the ability to mess up our nest pretty well. However, even blowing up a planet is not much, on the galactic power scale; it is not even a tiny solar burp. Seth said long ago that physical reality is a kind of spiritual kindergarten, and that we are not given a pen to write in ink here, but more like in pencil (or crayons). When we can demonstrate our ability to master the lessons of physical reality, then we are given the opportunity for some real learning and responsibility, and will eventually be given good paper and ink instead of pencil, erasers, and scrap paper or Play-Doh. An alleged archangel told me long ago, not long after I got my clock cleaned in Ventura:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#mr

that I helped melt down Atlantis, and that I have been in a kind of penance ever since. When I heard that, it made sense. But, when I have read about the spiritual degeneracy that accompanied the fall of Atlantis, I sure hope that I have learned my lesson, because some of that late Atlantis stuff was spiritually sick. I want to live in this world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

not this one:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roadsblade

I have put plenty of autobiographical information on my thread, from my LA Days:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post319133

to how Godzilla’s minions act when they show up:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post305681

I had my mystical awakening long before I ever got mixed up in the FE biz:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#silva

and that voice in my head sure led me down the path, so some of what follows won’t be anything that I can prove to Gardener or anybody else, but it is what I think today, after my long years of being in this field, and my opinion could change tomorrow, but I doubt that it will be by much.

As I have stated in my interviews and elsewhere (and Adam alluded to the same thing his first interview with Scott http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/...gy-part-1.html ), the technology that the Big Boys have (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground ) is a crude imitation of the ET technology that they reverse-engineered. As I stated in an email to Bill, which he put as the intro to my interview (http://projectcamelot.org/wade_frazier.html), because of our primitive understanding of consciousness, in addition to not having our hearts in charge (that divine intention stuff), we really do not have the good stuff, not by ET standards. So, are the Big Boys tapping the ZPF with their technology? Yes. But how well? What are the side-effects? What about the weaponization of FE? My understanding is that while it seems like we have tapped unlimited power with those toys, it is more on the level of cavemen with their clubs, at the Federation standard. We are like Klingons under quarantine. Humanity is not going to be allowed to travel the stars with its warlike ways. We have to grow up, first, and cleaning up our nest is one of the prerequisites. Now, some of that is what my pals and others in the FE and exotic field have told me, some who I think know what they are talking about. Some is from my intuition from interacting with mystical material. But most of how I see things was a result of playing on the high road to FE and surviving the experience, and seeing how my fellow travelers fared.

It took many experiences to beat reality into my head regarding the FE milieu:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#why

and to come to my base understanding of the issue: the kind of world that we live in is directly proportional to how much each of us cares about it. It is really that simple. And when I saw FE inventors getting bought out/wiped out by the score, it was educational. When fellow travelers thought that they could sneak past them:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#traveler

and so on, or as I watched efforts collapse from within (sometimes with a little help from their Godzilla “friends”), I got a multi-faceted view of the conundrum. When I saw all of the inventor-itis, with the manifold delusions that accompanied their perspectives:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level6

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level7

and the many casualties:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level13

when I began hearing about the psychotronic aspects of FE (and how such equipment could be used for evil purposes – and the Big Boys are not going to “get away with it” – no matter how clever they think they are, because they answer to themselves in the end), and witnessed all the other mayhem around it, it began dawning on me that there was something deeper happening, even if I did not have that voice in my head that launched me on that path.

The fact that there are not many altruistic inventors (I heard rumors of some, but never met one yet with the goods), the fact that Godzilla rarely needs to roll out of bed to deal with FE upstarts, that most FE efforts end in self-inflicted bloodbaths, that the FE effect can be ephemeral (when it is not wiped out), led me to suspect that they were all related to the human heart, some directly, and others less so. Because not enough of us currently have the right stuff, we don’t get any FE right now, and all of those less-than-lofty behaviors are only symptomatic of our underlying malaise. Until we get our hearts in the right place, we are not going to get FE, from how easily FE efforts have been suppressed, to how the technology can seem rickety, to how most of the world does not know about it and does not care. I began to realize that we were not going to get this energy source until our intentions were sufficiently inspired, in more ways than one. Something a lot bigger is happening here, and it is a lot more than the nuts and bolts of making FE happen. The “bad guys” are not really bad guys, not in the Creator’s eyes:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#love

and we attracted them to us for this play that we are acting in. In very real ways, they are us. The worst of the worst is only a child at play in the Creator’s eyes. As the Infinite Spirit says, “We are one.”

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#age1

I am willing to be wrong about this, but the only people who will convincingly prove my folly to me are those who have played on the high road. I only know of a few who I would sit at their feet and hear what they have to say on the matter, and what you are reading is partly what I learned from them.

Thanks for the plug, Ol’ Roy!

OK Sandy, that was enough of nightmare scenarios from you, young lady. I want to see some future positive visions from you on that thread.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

On what are energy, mass and substance, the greatest physicists said that they don’t know:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#heisenberg

They said that science only describes measurements regarding them (or what we think is them), but what they ultimately are, they don’t know. When Dennis was in jail and while he was out before the “deal” was struck, I ended up doing a fair amount of research on the technologies we were pursuing, so I could help brief any expert witnesses. When I moved to Ohio, I spent months studying thermodynamics, the patents related to our technologies, and for something as simple as temperature, just try to find a definition that makes much sense. It apparently has not changed over the years:

http://www.temperatures.com/wit.html

I can’t remember off the top of my head, but one of the leading principles of thermodynamics, invented by those Europeans in the 19th century, was a bit of circular logic, and its “discoverer” of the principle made it clear that the circular nature of the reasoning was a key to the theory.

Like Mad Hatter said, the stuff goes in circles all the time. In evolution, survival of the fittest is a circular argument, admitted by its proponents, but they say that circularity is an important concept. The “skeptics” engage in circular reasoning all the time:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#friends

I see it with scientists and FE all the time:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#circular

So, I think that we can safely say that those things are part of the “all that is,” but that isn’t much help, either. As far as knowing what those things are, I don’t think we can get there from here. This entire dimension is ultimately illusory, and maybe that is part of the problem of trying to nail such Jell-O to the wall.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

OK Wade, I get that.

So without having an answer for what energy is can we say where it comes from? And I suspect that behind that question is hiding another one: "is it truly unlimited? can we have as much of it as we need at no expense of others?"

[58andfixed]

No such thing as a perpetual machine - right ?

What about electrons moving around in our theoretical atom ?

Are electrons running on Duracell batteries, gasoline, coal OR something else ?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sWVX_rGzzQU

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sWVX_rGzzQU

Just because reality can't be comprehended, understood or have a patent yet, doesn't make it any less real.

- 58

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Remember Seth II? Seth II said, as I recall, that their joy created universes. Yes, energy can be obtained by not having to harm anything else. I’ll bet that those people harmed nothing in their acquisition of energy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

Ilie, the source of the universe is a Creator that none of us can begin to comprehend, and true creators create with love. Love is the energy of creation. I ain’t talking in some New Agey, airy-fairy, way. The lesson that we are learning here is how to be creators, and that is done with love, and love has no limits. This much, I know. I don’t want to say that I have “faith” regarding it. I have experienced love working “miracles.” I don’t want to sound like some Course in Miracles guy, but love is it. It is all. And, until we become Level 19s:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level19

we are going to learn the responsible use of energy via technology. Heck, we have been learning the energy game for maybe two millions years:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

at least that today’s white science can tell. The lamb’s path is not just something that sounds nice. A loving approach is one with integrity (that world’s scarcest commodity again). Again, the lesson that I resisted the longest was that people with loving hearts (those who act with integrity) are so astonishingly rare. Only a loving approach has any hope of making FE happen. Again, I am not being an idealist, but the ultimate realist in this matter. The “we need to break some eggs to make that omelette” people are deeply deluded, and one of the main reasons such efforts have failed. The love issue and FE are joined at the hip in ways that you could spend your next ten lifetimes pursuing. FE is the practical side of the love issue. I totally get how the “let’s just love each other” talk can seem pretty empty-headed, but it really is the key. But that love has to first be given to ourselves. Even the dark pathers get that part. Their problem is that they got stuck with loving themselves and nothing else.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#love

With love, Ilie, we truly can have it all. What is love? That is really the big question, and everybody whom I really respected in the FE field was really pursuing that issue, not what we call “energy” so much:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#greatest

Intention is everything.

Going to bed now, young man.

Love,

Wade

[truthseekerdan]

WOW, just happened to read your post Wade, and I totally agree with you already...

Much Love & Wisdom

Dan

[nottelling]

This thread makes my brain hurt - in a good way

Free energy/the promise of a resource-based economy is something I am interested in, but haven't yet read up enough to have an informed opinion - this post can add nothing constructive to the conversation apart from a genuine and sincere thank you to all participants for such thought-provoking discourse.

I will devour all of the material in these 5 or 6 related threads.

[Simonm]

Wow, Thankyou all for your input. Im not going to pretend to underrstand what the hell your on about, but I have a lot to read up on and hopefully it won't be long before I DO understand more. Thanks

[Wade Frazier]

Hi to those new to the thread:

There probably is no quick education in this stuff. I made a summary of my Avalon posts, but it is a little out of date, but could be considered a good start:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/public.htm#avalon

Of note in recent activity, I made a few posts on what the Global Controllers look like when they show up, and if you play the free energy game at a high level, they will show up.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post305681

and some of my early experiences in the real world of LA that launched me on my journey:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post319133

This thread you are reading was intended to explore the fears that people have about free energy. Fear is the most common reaction to the idea of free energy, by far, from denial,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level0

to how the environmentalists can only see humanity's and the planet’s doom if FE happened:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose...ironmentalists

Other threads are dedicated to exploring the upside of FE:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum4/...A-Future-Earth

possible transition plans to FE:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lans-for-Earth

what would become obsolete in a FE-based world:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...by-Free-Energy

and the one that started it all:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Healed-Planet

which has become a bit long. All of this activity is only a prelude to an invitation-only conversation that I plan to begin, maybe in a sub-forum at Avalon, after I finish an essay that I have been researching for several years:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm

My friend Brian O’Leary died this past summer, and I was his biographer.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianbio.htm

I plan to write an essay about him this fall, hopefully before the movie Thrive comes out (which he makes an appearance in):

http://thrivemovement.com/

I also did a bunch of interviews this year, with three of them with Scott (and his partner Tom co-hosted two of them), whom I met at Avalon:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/public.htm#interviews

He also interviewed fellow FE traveler Adam Trombly:

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/...gy-part-1.html

who will also be on Thrive. Adam is getting into the habit of going on shows after I do:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radio.htm#intro

So, there is some action happening in the FE field, visibility-wise, that I have not seen in a while. Interesting times.

Happy reading,

Wade

[Gardener]

Ok just a small musing here, a couple of drops in the ocean, but may have some relevence.

When a person is in psychoanalysis or some other modality akin , and something 'comes up' from the unconscious, some complex starting to unravel and become conscious; following the integration into conscious awareness there is an influx of energy into the life of the individual. Energy which can be described as 'enthusiasm' or perhaps 'motivation', physical too. Could this be described under the heading of 'intent'. Holding a complex in place (in the unconscious and out of reach) is known to have a debilitating effect on energy.

I am beginning to get a picture of an energy which is to all 'intents' and purposes neutral but dependent on context therefore available to all or more accurately both polarities. In the context of for the sake of argument 'good or evil' or any permutation in between, the cost/benefit rebounding onto the 'utiliser of the energy' determining the balance. ( ref carmody's post on what are ramifications of taking 'free energy'). Can there be any other form of energy than consciousness?

Thread title....There no way in 'hell' (or unconscious) for free energy, but maybe in the other context there is, it give back.

[Gardener]

In the last couple of days whilst reflecting and reading Wade's essays, I have read many of them before, but this time there has been a rollercoaster of very polarised feelings, not at the writing, but a welling up out of nowhere. I have ridden them out as best I could, (only once did I throw a bucket accross the garden) Only to find a total opposite feeling pouring into and out of me. It was this that lead me to the above post on neutrality, balance, and context.

[amadeus]

Posted by Robert J. Niewiadomski (here)
Hi All

Don't kill me yet! Please...

This thread is intended for dropping off our baggage of fear free energy brings to the table. Feel free to describe as hellish scenarios as you could ever dream up in your worst nightmares...

Best wishes
Robert

P.S. This thread was inspired by Wade Frazier's post here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post330978

P.P.S
Maybe we could post some thoughts explaining source and mechanics of free energy fear here?

[edit Oct. 14th, 2011 20:40 GMT]
Dear Avalonians,
The title of this thread has been chosen purposefully. It is a hint
If you feel bad about this thread you should check this thread out
A Future Earth

This "negative" thread can't provide more energy for darkness to hinder propagation of free energy. Don't worry Raising our awareness of darkness don't makes more darkness if we just observe it without judgement (ie. blowing a fuse or cheering it)...

hello robert, very pleased to meet you
what underpins our authorities fear of free energy is structure and function
to provide free energy is to confess to the structure and function of our universe not being as believed for all time up to the Revelation of approx 150 years ago when it`s electrical nature and consequences manifested
put simple: it is the politics of god
because the now known structure removes our traditional belief in god and our history within that belief
thus presenting humanity with an awareness of themselves possessing potential for manifesting a different lifestyle, unimaginable to our intuitions who`s duty is to sustain order within society and who themselves are formed and sustained by the very beliefs that current "national security" information makes obsolete
no one in authority has been presented with a coherent agenda of implementations because the consequence have to date been beyond the manageable imagination of those who`s duty is to visualize

[Gardener]

You could very well be right Amadeus. Most here speak plainly so that they are understood, perhaps if you could say what you mean with more clarity and coherence, less verbosity, a little more punctuation it would be very much appreciated.

Welcome to the forum,

g

[amadeus]

Posted by Gardener (here)
You could very well be right Amadeus. Most here speak plainly so that they are understood, perhaps if you could say what you mean with more clarity and coherence, less verbosity, a little more punctuation it would be very much appreciated.

Welcome to the forum,

g

Oh

All societies are structured thus function upon original belief of the structure hence nature of god.
The structure of our universe, as now known, alters every belief we possessed in god
Free energy as in: how does it work, compels confession of the above by the same authorities that enforce gods will (law) within all societies.

[Gardener]

Ah yes! What gives life meaning now is very much different to our ancestors. I suppose it has to depend on how people interpret 'God' what God is. So in say fundamentalist christian or in abrahamic judeaism, a lot of beliefs might have to come under the hammer before there could be even a comprehension of what it might mean to have an infinite source of energy. Therefore maybe a good reason why many of the elite power brokers are members of said belief systems, even if only to retain this knowledge and power.

Have I understood you correctly?

[Wade Frazier]

Hey Robert:

Notice how this “fear” thread is getting all the action right now? Ah, this is normal and OK. It is a key part of the terrain.

Hi Gardener:

I apologize to your bucket. Yes, I get the roller coaster part, and that is why very few people can hang in there. What can come out of the other side of the process is wisdom, love and all of that good stuff. What my work is partly intended to do is shake people out of their belief in “the system.” The “system” is really not worth believing in. It is the old skins, and won’t hold the new wine. Almost everybody who encounters the FE situation gets stuck in one of the levels below Level 12:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level1

I am trying to help people get to Level 12 without risking/wasting their lives on inventor-itis, sneaking past Godzilla, becoming hopeless, and so on. My journey in this stuff began about when I learned to walk and memorized the books that my parents read to me:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#_edn4

so, I am familiar with about every reaction to my work that you can think of. It can be really painful to realize the state of the world and how far we seem to be from achieving what is necessary if the human journey is going to last much longer. But, if I, or somebody else, can get that choir formed, it may be the critical ingredient for catalyzing the change.

We will see.

Best,

Wade

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Have a look at this point of view:

We are gridlocked in an invisible web of interdependence. We are stuck in it because we depend on other people who provide us with food, clothing or housing. If we do some "soft" work we are at mercy of people doing some "hard" work. In the deepest of our hearts we unconsciously KNOW we are toast without other people in the sense of supporting our bodies in living conditions with some decent amenities. We believe that if abandoned we will die quickly. Add to this our selfishness projected onto others. In effect we believe other people are selfish too. We know that we would not share FE device with others if we are ever to get our hands on it. But what is the use of never depleting batteries if we can’t eat electricity? What life supporting tools we power with it? So if that hardworking people got those FE devices first for themselves they will no longer be forced to use our already worthless services. They will stop providing us with clothes, food, housing and keep it for their children and themselves. We will lost our creature comforts and die of cold and starvation. Even if we try and learn some practical skill it will take tools and time and while learning we will die of cold and starvation. We believe that all odds are against us. So better somebody nip in the bud this FE ideas or we will perish...

It is in all best interest we continue our business as usual! Or else...

[TargeT]

I planned on shocking public displays, leveraging everything I have learned from our exhaustive HollyWood &'PR firm bombardment; I think that concioisness on average has risen to a level that natural curiosity is all that needs to be sparked.

Humans experience emotion serially, fear must be pre-empted; I choose curiosity... But my work in this area has not moved beyond conceptualization unfortunately...

[amadeus]

All societies are structured thus function upon original belief of the structure hence nature of god.
The structure of our universe, as now known, alters every belief we possessed in god
Free energy as in: how does it work, compels confession of the above by the same authorities that enforce gods will (law) within all societies.

this same topic is the heart of disclosure
it is not so much that non human life exists, it is the environment (universe) we share that enables their communication and travel at near instant velocity over any distance that is the stumbling block.
the explanation of how they do it , as is the explanation of how free energy is distributed, by default, alters all beliefs of god hence threatens the structure of all our societies functions
it is not that god ceases to exist, it is that god becomes something as yet unimagined, in practical terms and application by our traditions
traditions structured to force the function of our believed correct application of gods will (universal laws)

[Gardener]

Sounds a bit like the level 8 'paranoid defeatest', and in some ways it is hard to argue with this in the current paradigm, there are a lot of assumptions though, that 'everyone' is selfish; that 'no one' would share; that it would take 'time' to learn new skills; these look like false premises. And what has 'to die alone' got to do with it? There are people who think this way anyway without the idea of FE, its who they are right now. Also there is a note of entitlement, expectation as a right.

Posted by Robert J. Niewiadomski (here)
Have a look at this point of view:

We are gridlocked in an invisible web of interdependence. We are stuck in it because we depend on other people who provide us with food, clothing or housing. If we do some "soft" work we are at mercy of people doing some "hard" work. In the deepest of our hearts we unconsciously KNOW we are toast without other people in the sense of supporting our bodies in living conditions with some decent amenities. We belive that we will die on our own. Add to this our selfishness projected onto others. In effect we believe other people are selfish too. We know that we would not share FE device with others if we are ever to get our hands on it. But what is the use of neverdepletting batteries if we can not eat electricity? What life supporting tools we power with it? So if that hardworking people got those FE devices first for themselves they will no longer be forced to use our already worthless services. They will stop providing us with clothes, food, housing and keep it for their children and themselves. We will loose our creature comforts and die of cold and starvation. Even if we try and learn some practical skill it will take tools and time and while learning we will die of cold and starvation. We believe that all odds are against us. So better somebody nip in the bud this FE ideas or we will perish...

It is in all best interest we continue our bussines as usual! Or else...