Free Energy?! No way in hell!

[noxon medem]

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On one occation
- my father said :

There is no such thing as a free lunch .

Never understood what he ment by that .
I have and give "free lunches" most days .
Around here that is The Way .
(what goes around , comes around )

A story
( ergo a fabrication , or a lie if you will .. : )

Yesterday the only thing I ate was an apple ,
free from my local nature , cultivated ...

By practical and energetic people wanting to do ....
- and plenty of clean spring water .....

Again , All Well .

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

It is not Heaven either... It is up to us if it will become. If we choose to shed our old skin of fear, it will. But i agree that i don't feel like being in hell. But we better ask others. Not so fortunate as we are...

[amadeus]

Posted by noxon medem (here)
- so

If there is a way ( here )
This is not hell .
( would be good to get that cleared up ..)

Free energy exists because of the structure and function of our universe. Now our awareness is focused on it`s actual structure previously unimagined processes are known to be in operation

Last year, when NASA's IBEX (Interstellar Boundary Explorer) spacecraft discovered a giant ribbon at the edge of the solar system, researchers were mystified. They called it a "shocking result" and puzzled over its origin. Now the mystery may have been solved.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...0/15jan_ibex2/

Russia in the 1990`s said this:

Current PlanetoPhysical alterations of the Earth are becoming irreversible. Strong evidence exists that these transformations are being caused by highly charged material and energetic non-uniformity's in anisotropic interstellar space which have broken into the interplanetary area of our Solar System. This "donation" of energy is producing hybrid processes and excited energy states in all planets, as well as the Sun.

http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/glo...ophysical.html

Los Alamos says denser plasma is entering our heliosphere

•Gravity was the focus of 20th century astronomy

•For the 21st century, it will be electromagnetism and plasmas in addition

•This forthcoming scientific revolution is presaged by the rapid pace of discoveries about our own star, the Sun, and its total plasma environment, and discoveries about the nature of the interstellar medium.

•In volume, 99.999% of all the observable matter in the universe exists in the plasma state. This had led to the coinage of the term "Plasma Universe."

http://plasmauniverse.info/nature.universe.html

The effect is increased charge within our atmosphere:

How would we describe a force, equal to 121 million billion billion billion billion newton, that drives each quanta of space-time and mediates each of the forces that holds the Universe together? The Gforce is omniscient in that it is enormously powerful and encompasses the entire physical Universe. The Gforce is non-material in nature, and yet gives rise to all physical existence. The Gforce produces the space-time (Aether) in which we live. Further evidence gathered from the neurosciences show that conductance is a direct measurement of emotions, and conductance is also shown to be a quality of the Aether. Thus there is a physics link to suggest the Aether is involved with certain aspects of mind, if not all aspects of mind.

http://www.16pi2.com/joomla/index.ph...=80&Itemid=100

Thus we are being naturally forced to confront our emotional issues regarding this topic and it`s consequences

[amadeus]

If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.

— Nikola Tesla

In 1963, Walter Cronkite in the national television evening news, commenting on Dr. Walter Russell's death, referred to him as "... the Leonardo da Vinci of our time

In less time than it takes to put it into words, I knew all there was to know of the CAUSE of all effect, for there was very little to know.

--Walter Russell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Russell

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Yzfgq1zv8jg

[amadeus]

it is manifesting naturally

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UsPrudLFGZk

as it must
the vortice is the prime archetype of our universe

All physical existences are weaved in vortical motion; nothing physical in nature is not vortical.

http://uvs-model.com/index.htm

[CdnSirian]

Posted by 1159 (here)
So called free energy still comes with a grave price. Imagine a similar scenario; 100 million brand new cars suddenly are given away-totally free- no tricks PLUS an unlimited supply of fuel forever! After one week, my guess is every road and highway would be gridlocked. The parralell is in fact very similar, but goes on to be even worse. Free energy means free unlimited electrcity. Now, if we did the same thing with electrcity as we did with the cars, we can only speculate on the explosion of electrical machines that would be used, with impunity. No-one would need to 'turn lights off' turn the heating down or regulate any energy expenditure. The environmental pollution backlash would be devastating.

It's the kid in a sweetshop when rich daddy is paying syndrome. How on earth you regulate the 'greed factor' Think about this carefully; no matter how wonderful the idea of 'free energy ' is, are we as a species responsible and mature enough to deal with the greed and excess that this would produce?

Hi 1159. You have presented a huge picture here, and my first response is to say perhaps human beings, once the fact of an easier future sinks in, could be capable of designing/converting public transit systems that people will actually prefer to use. In my city, if the transit system was halfway decent (and safer) I would never take my car to work. Also, just as an example, businesses might opt to provide shuttles from pick-up points for their own employees, these being armchair type of equipped mini-buses where people can read, work on their computers, and other wise function in productive manners. Or, property tax credits could be issued for car pooling, etc. etc. I would love some city designers to read your post and get off and running with inspiration, knowing that energy would not be a problem.

[CdnSirian]

Posted by jcocks (here)
While the energy field that we would tap into would not be infinite per se, for all intents and purposes it would be infinite due to the sheer amount of it available to draw from within the field. My gut tells me that there is that much energy there that we could draw all the energy we could ever need from the field and the effect would be so miniscule on the other side that it would consume more energy to replace that energy than to just let it be. The universe would not make that energy available if it were to endanger its' existance. Besides, what's not to say that we don't put energy back into the field unknowingly?

As for the "divine intention" bit - LIE, big fat f'in LIE. It's just shocking how big the lie is - it's massive. They even LIE to us about our own nature - tell us we're brutes, that we're not worthy.

LIE

And we believe it.

Once we stop believing the LIE - and that is coming - the transformation we will undergo will be massive. Much larger than mere free energy. We have no idea - because the lie extends beyond our own confines, beyond this little planet we call earth, beyond this little slice of reality we call the third dimension. It's so big. Yet it's unbelievably flimsy. All that needs to happen is for enough of us to truly, in our own hearts, stop believing the lie and peel back the conditioning, and it will literally fall away.

My belief is that there will be events that will soon occur that will expose a lot of this for all to see very easily - without the interferance of TPTW in the process, but it will still be up to all of us individually to decide if we want to acknowledge what is shown.

Hi jcocks. I agree the lie is so overwhelming it's hard to experience relief when it registers. The conditioning feels like layers of cement. I use EFT Emotional Freedom Technique (on youtube everywhere) and it helps lighten things up.

[amadeus]

Related:

While we experienced the effects of our solar systems immersion into the highly charged, magnetised, dusty plasma cloud named "fluffy", in the latter part of the 1800`s, a marked increase in humans contact with non human intelligence was observed as well as fluctuations of our sun, which the Carrington effect Solar Storm of 1859 was the most notable.
Tesla, Crowley, Steiner, Russell, Blavatsky, Jung are some of the high profile examples of the epidemic of esoteric experience rampant within the dominant Abrahamic technological cultures of the West.

THE 19TH CENTURY SPIRITUALIST
AND OCCULT REVIVAL
in England and Europe
http://blessedquietness.com/journal/...u/sprtrviv.htm

Germany progressed non human communication and translation further than other nations in the 1930`s to 1945.

In 1945 USA and UK were aware of the following.

1) The information being received was accurate in the nature of it`s physics but because the physics were unlike anything humans had imagined our universe was comprised of, awareness of these physics transformed what humans are.

Awareness made it impossible to accept previous human formed lifestyles and beliefs.

2) Awareness of any part of this information received prompted what became known as "non local conscious" to engage and awareness increased via synchronicity , expressed as instant knowing, following experience of related events.

In other words the person began to think, express , anticipate and expect differently.

3) Because the information originates from intelligences which experience the same environment as ourselves, in a manner that is unimaginable, we can not imagine the lifestyle that the information we receive forms.

Hence we can not know our future.

We can only know it is not what we once imagined.

To address this the following steps were taken .

The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) was utilized and expanded globally in the form of the CIA to locate and observe world wide, individuals receiving communication and expressing non local conscious (information they could not know)

Their information was given to The Armed Forces Security Agency (AFSA], later to be known as the NSA, for translation and projection of outcome.

By the late 60`s it was considered "safe" to plan a global communications system, accessible to all, which in it`self ,acted as the interface for incoming non human information and it`s expression including, the synchronization of non local conscious effects.that result.

This is the simple outline to the complex situation we are now within

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by amadeus (here)
The effect is increased charge within our atmosphere:

How would we describe a force, equal to 121 million billion billion billion billion newton, that drives each quanta of space-time and mediates each of the forces that holds the Universe together? The Gforce is omniscient in that it is enormously powerful and encompasses the entire physical Universe. The Gforce is non-material in nature, and yet gives rise to all physical existence. The Gforce produces the space-time (Aether) in which we live. Further evidence gathered from the neurosciences show that conductance is a direct measurement of emotions, and conductance is also shown to be a quality of the Aether. Thus there is a physics link to suggest the Aether is involved with certain aspects of mind, if not all aspects of mind.

http://www.16pi2.com/joomla/index.ph...=80&Itemid=100

Thus we are being naturally forced to confront our emotional issues regarding this topic and it`s consequences

The paper linked here, at www.16pi2.com, is essentially unreadable now, because the equations were in the form of images, but that website no longer has those images.

You can find a presentation of what I guess is the same theory, the Aether Physics Model, with equations still showing, at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Paper:A...mics_Institute

What I've seen in my first few minutes skimming this is setting of my "sounds dubious" alarms ... but I cannot honestly say I've made head nor tail of it yet.

In any case, the theory presented by the portion I quoted above seems to be an entirely different theory of fundamental physics.

[amadeus]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by amadeus (here)
The effect is increased charge within our atmosphere:

How would we describe a force, equal to 121 million billion billion billion billion newton, that drives each quanta of space-time and mediates each of the forces that holds the Universe together? The Gforce is omniscient in that it is enormously powerful and encompasses the entire physical Universe. The Gforce is non-material in nature, and yet gives rise to all physical existence. The Gforce produces the space-time (Aether) in which we live. Further evidence gathered from the neurosciences show that conductance is a direct measurement of emotions, and conductance is also shown to be a quality of the Aether. Thus there is a physics link to suggest the Aether is involved with certain aspects of mind, if not all aspects of mind.

http://www.16pi2.com/joomla/index.ph...=80&Itemid=100

Thus we are being naturally forced to confront our emotional issues regarding this topic and it`s consequences

The paper linked here, at www.16pi2.com, is essentially unreadable now, because the equations were in the form of images, but that website no longer has those images.

You can find a presentation of what I guess is the same theory, the Aether Physics Model, with equations still showing, at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Paper:A...mics_Institute

What I've seen in my first few minutes skimming this is setting of my "sounds dubious" alarms ... but I cannot honestly say I've made head nor tail of it yet.

In any case, the theory presented by the portion I quoted above seems to be an entirely different theory of fundamental physics.

Hi paul, link works fine for me

Why use the word dubious when you say you can not make head not tail of what you describe as dubious?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by amadeus (here)
Hi paul, link works fine for me

Oh - yes - the link works - but what is at that link is in good part unreadable, for lack of the equations. Just the Equation Numbers 1.1 through 1.9, and surrounding text, appear now.

Posted by amadeus (here)
Why use the word dubious when you say you can not make head not tail of what you describe as dubious?

Such is not an uncommon reaction for people. Some new fancy sounding theory is presented to them ... the specifics and details of the theory don't make sense ... but the claims (such as proving the existence of God, in the case of this theory) and manner of presenting the theory look dubious.

Clearly I am not making any grand claims of deep or worthy analysis of that theory ... I readily state that I just saw it and don't understand it. But my initial reaction (people do have initial reactions!) is quite skeptical.

Have you read and understood that theory? Do you recommend it? From what I can tell it is quite out of place with what else is in the above posts.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Please stop it right now guys Let us keep focused on topic Thank you
This thread is intended for discussing arguments against use of FE. Propositions
on how to deal with fear of FE fit here as well. But i have doubts about elaborating
on science behind FE in THIS thread. It is a little diluting and exhausting...

I think that somebody who is afraid of ghosts cares not about how a ghost "works" or how it can manifest itself in physical plane. She/he is afraid of WHAT a ghost can do to her/him. And does not argue if it is real. IT IS period. Same for FE.

I hope you agree with me... But if i am wrong (or proping another strawman) i will back off on the above statement. I really think we discuss some grave problem here...

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Robert:

What you did was very appropriate. The thread was really getting off track. I am glad that you and Paul said something. I don’t want to be the thread cop if I can avoid it. I also began a FE physics thread a while back.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post138564

FE physics is a fine subject, but it isn’t for everybody.

Best,

Wade

[sygh]

Posted by billyji (here)
Get rid of TPTW.

Isn't it also possible the PTB/W fear this as well? Have you ever purposely had a weapon in your house and wondered if you were able enough to use it on an intruder, should your family, or your own person be threatened? There's is always the possibility the intruder will take your weapon from you and use it against you. It seems to me now that the PTB are always the one's holding the hilt. The King is dead; long live the King.

[Mad Hatter]

Well to add to my original list of things that could potentially happen...

Zero point energy, anti gravity, frequency based medicine, matter from energy replicators etc. how about if we consider the current state of mind control tech.

This could swiftly be adjusted for Matrix style education. A direct dump of Encyclopedia Brittanica into your head in under 5 seconds!!

Think about it... might go a long way to overcoming the fear factor and if we started with this the rest would surely flow on automagically.

On the other side of the fear is all this potential and I refuse to believe the human spirit has been crushed to the extent that we have no dreamers left, well maybe one, but that one would like to remind the rest of you of an old old saying... 'The only thing to fear is fear itself'.

Ok maybe that is a little trite but like many others I have for a long time recognised that the problem has nothing to do with the availability of technology. The issue is the same one that sees children going to bed hungry at night. ie It is socio / political and sure it sucks.

What concerns me is how hard is it going to have to get for the masses before we see the end of the 'I'm alright jack' and NIMBY (Not In My Backyard) thinking.

PS How often will this message need repeating in all it's various forms ???

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KxlE7yCSHAM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KxlE7...eature=related

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sygh:

Almost TPTB’s entire bag is fear. Dark pathers dominate their ranks:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#serving

They are hooked on their “power,” and what is more powerful than FE, in their eyes? I think that they are addicted to power, and they fear losing that above all else. That is the peril of their approach. I actually feel sorry for them. They are stuck in one of the deepest, most seductive traps that exist. There are some “white hats” in their ranks too:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

But I have said I am not sure how white their hats really are. A lot of it is looking white in contrast to the black, when it is really a shade of gray, and probably a dark shade at that.

Yes, when your whole approach is fear-based, you have almost infinite opportunities for fear to grip you. It is a spiral that ends up crashing into the basement.

I hope that they are redeemed in the end, and if they do not learn to let go soon, they are going to find the ride is like riding the proverbial tiger, but it probably already feels like it to them, which is why so many of them “want out,” so to speak:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#cabal

It is part of the conundrum.

Best,

Wade

[amadeus]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by amadeus (here)
Hi paul, link works fine for me

Oh - yes - the link works - but what is at that link is in good part unreadable, for lack of the equations. Just the Equation Numbers 1.1 through 1.9, and surrounding text, appear now.

Posted by amadeus (here)
Why use the word dubious when you say you can not make head not tail of what you describe as dubious?

Such is not an uncommon reaction for people. Some new fancy sounding theory is presented to them ... the specifics and details of the theory don't make sense ... but the claims (such as proving the existence of God, in the case of this theory) and manner of presenting the theory look dubious.

Clearly I am not making any grand claims of deep or worthy analysis of that theory ... I readily state that I just saw it and don't understand it. But my initial reaction (people do have initial reactions!) is quite skeptical.

Have you read and understood that theory? Do you recommend it? From what I can tell it is quite out of place with what else is in the above posts.

oh
thanks for explaining, my reaction was the link of dubious and administrator = influence

nothing more

i do know the authors pretty well , some of "my guys" boffins, assisted it`s formation 2007 to 2010
if you open the site up at it`s beginning you discover it is a walk through of 21 st century physics/cosmology which our authorities wrestle to form into our way of lifestyle as we talk

Einstein on aether

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yH9vAIdMqng

[amadeus]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
Hi Robert:

What you did was very appropriate. The thread was really getting off track. I am glad that you and Paul said something. I don’t want to be the thread cop if I can avoid it. I also began a FE physics thread a while back.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post138564

FE physics is a fine subject, but it isn’t for everybody.

Best,

Wade

oh

i get your point i think
your thread is only concerned with the emotional reasons free energy can never be distributed

correct?

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Amadeus:

This thread has a long genesis. My work deals with many facets of the FE conundrum, and fear dominates them. In fact, fear is behind Levels 1 to 10, in one way or another:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level1

my initial Avalon thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Healed-Planet

was initially pulled in all sorts of directions, before it began to settle down with some focus. Eventually, Ilie created a more specialized thread on what would become obsolete in an FE-based world:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...by-Free-Energy

Then TelosianEmbrace created one just for positive visions:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum4/...A-Future-Earth

and then Robert created a couple more, devoted to transition plans to FE:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lans-for-Earth

and to deal with fears of FE, which is this thread.

They were all following my suggestions, and all have my blessings. There are many technical types at Avalon, and I started a thread so that they could discuss FE physics:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post138564

It can be a worthy discussion, and there is plenty of room for Einstein and his ether, Tesla, Bohm, and so on. Brian O’Leary tried to make FE scientifically respectable. I came from the activist side of the house that said, “I don’t care what the theories are, FE technology exists”:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

Brian seemed to think that we worked as a team:

http://newenergymovement.org/arpa_e_concept_paper.pdf

We were going to do more stuff, around my principles for making FE happen:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#pursuing

just before he died. FE physics is a highly worthy subject, but in my work, I will not get into it much further than you see Adam doing in Thrive:

http://thrivemovement.com/

A torus diagram is about all that the layperson needs to know about FE physics. The “ether” exists, and most FE devices are about tapping its infinite energy. While many make FE-physics-related comments at Avalon, nobody has picked up the ball yet with that FE physics thread.

Best,

Wade

[Gardener]

Hey Amadeus

It is a common occurence 'tactic' for important threads to be derailed, either with or without intent, trolling is a popular method which simply doesn't work here, so derailment is more favoured. So roll with it, we are merely keeping this train on the tracks. Your astute and knowedgable mind can surely contribute much, how about sharing what your fears or objections might be, or what you see could happen in a negative way surrounding the subject.

g

Posted by amadeus (here)

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
Hi Robert:

What you did was very appropriate. The thread was really getting off track. I am glad that you and Paul said something. I don’t want to be the thread cop if I can avoid it. I also began a FE physics thread a while back.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post138564

FE physics is a fine subject, but it isn’t for everybody.

Best,

Wade

oh

i get your point i think
your thread is only concerned with the emotional reasons free energy can never be distributed

correct?