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    G'day Everyone,

    Please read the following email that I received yesterday from Elaine Hollingsworth, the Director of the Hippocrates Health Centre, located in Queensland, Australia. The emails title is as it was when recieved.


    MEDICAL INCOMPETENCE KILLED STEVE JOBS

    Dear Tony,

    It is as simple as that: One of the most brilliant minds of our century made a fatal mistake when choosing his doctor -- Dean Ornish, MD.

    Ornish, infamous for pushing heavy grain consumption and soy on his patients, and denying them healthful fats, has been thoroughly discredited for decades. The evidence is conclusive: heavy grain consumption causes hypertrophy of the pancreas, as well as severe tissue degeneration, and can lead to the pancreatic cancer that brought Jobs down at the age of 56. And soy, as all my readers know, is deadly for the thyroid gland.

    Don't let the Ornish diet bring you down, too, and please help others by forwarding this warning to your contacts. For free information on the dangers of grains, click here to read AGAINST THE GRAIN, Chapter 16 of my book, TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR HEALTH AND ESCAPE THE SICKNESS INDUSTRY.

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    By posting this letter, I am not attempting to pass judgement on Dean Ornish, MD. The internet is currently awash with links to sites that detail the relationship between Jobs and Ornish, and all (that I have visited) are unrelated to the accusations made in Elaine's letter. If you are interested in the possibility that the treatment administered my Ornish contributed to Jobs death, please do your own research.

    My primary incentive in posting this email is to highlight the dangers of soy products and a low consumption of fat in our diets. At least that is well established (though not known by most), rather than speculation. I offer the following on the subject of soy:

    There remains only one safe way in which to consume soy, and that is non-GMO soy sauce, where the phytotoxins present in soy are broken down during the fermentation process.

    I have friends who jumped onto the soy health kick many years ago, only to suffer undiagnosed thyroid damage and the resultant loss of weight control. For those of you who are not aware, the thyroid gland determines our basal metabolic rate, (BMR) which controls the rate at which fat is burned. The collapse of the thyroid results in a decreased BMR, and increased weight, for which gastric banding is becoming a commonplace treatment.

    Please do everything you can to get soy out of your diet. Be aware that most breads, which for almost everyone is a dietary staple, contain soy flour. That wasn't in bread when I was a kid, and neither was our current rate of obesity. Read the contents labelling on your packaged foodstuffs: Soy flour, soy lecithin, soy by-products; this stuff is everywhere!

    Making us all fat and sick makes big bucks for big pharma, and soy products are just one means of achieving this.

    Stay well, enjoy a moderate amount of healthy fats, and give soy the flick,

    Tony.
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    Fats are essential, but you need the right ones.
    I take a good quality fish oil, evening primrose and flaxseed oil myself.

    Soy - never did like the stuff myself,
    soy milk always made me bloated.
    It can also play with your estrogens,
    being a phytoestrogen.
    Those in the higher risk breast cancer group are also cautioned not to use it too much,
    as some cancers are hormanally driven.

    And most of the soy these days is GMO, so i stay away from it.
    It's real stuggle to get non- GMO soy sauce even.

    Not to mention the current radiation scares in Japan, where so many soy products come from.
    I would love to make my own Miso Soups, but im a bit wary of the ingredients.

    Interesting post, thanks.
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    Quote Posted by astrid (here)
    Fats are essential, but you need the right ones. I take a good quality fish oil, evening primrose and flaxseed oil myself.........It's a real stuggle to get non- GMO soy sauce even.
    G'day Astrid,

    Hey, I used to take Queensland hemp oil until I got busted at work for too much THC in the viens, and I wasn't even stoned! Now it's fish, flax and borage seed oils.

    As for non-GMO soy, point taken, and thank you! I'll go back and edit the post to read as such.

    Thanks for the input.
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    Steve Jobs had pancreatic cancer. Eventually the tumours grew so that his breathing became compromised. He had already lived much longer than most people with the same condition. His health had been dire for a long while and there comes a time when death is inevitable. Are you suggesting that a different diet would have saved him? With this type of cancer cures are rare and Jobs did well to survive it as long as he did. He was able to choose his own doctor and was obviously happy with the treatment he had received. After all he had lasted longer than any one would have predicted.

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    Well, I don't know if the Ornish diet was part of his protocol but it is a death diet.
    My understanding is that he used chemo.
    that being said, yes, I consider his teatment criminal neglect.

    He should have used enzyme therapy for pancreatic cancer along with
    mms1 and mms2. as well as the budwig protocol.. which is huge on fats
    that are properly treated for good assimilation in a compromised system.
    I would have thrown in lugols iodine for good measure.

    He may have been happy but that is the joy of the fool in regards to his medical care.
    Above and beyond, I suspect it was his enlightened spirit that carried
    him on as long as he did, not the treatment he received.
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    Coconut oil is another great fat source. I personally think one of the best! It contains lauric acid, which is a medium-chained fatty acid (MCFA) that is used for energy in the body instead of being stored as fat. Lauric acid is also a vital ingredient in mother's breast milk. The ratio of lauric acid to other MCFA's in breast milk is similar to that in coconut oil. Babies' immature immune systems are supported by the potent antimicrobial properties of this fatty acid.

    With regards to Steve Jobs..."There is no such entity as an 'incurable disease', there are only incurable states of consciousness" - Dr. Jewel Pookrum

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    On the contrary, Steve Jobs was given about 6 1/2 years longer than most pancreatic cancer patients due to the fact that he had extreme wealth and was able to obtain a new liver which is EXTREMELY rare for anyone with pancreatic cancer! Incompetence? No. Unethical? Perhaps...

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    I just wanted to add this video series, as I think it's appropriate due to the discussion of fats in the diet.

    Dr. Mercola Interviews Dr. Stephanie Seneff

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    Does anyone know "exactly" what his treatment was? I have heard several things from alternative to conventional therapies - I wonder which is it?
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    Quote Posted by Ellisa (here)
    Are you suggesting that a different diet would have saved him?
    I took the article in the opening post to be suggesting that it was a "different diet", namely Dean Ornish's recommendations, that was likely a key factor in his getting pancreatic cancer in the first place.
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    Quote Posted by Providence (here)
    I just wanted to add this video series, as I think it's appropriate due to the discussion of fats in the diet.

    Dr. Mercola Interviews Dr. Stephanie Seneff
    Thank-you very much, Providence, for posting that video.

    It gave me a new perspective on an inner ear disease (Meniere's) that I've been tussling with for decades. It just might be, for me, one or two of the most valuable items I've ever found on this forum.

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    hempseed oil,has a 3 to 1 ratio that the body does not need to adjust in any way before use,it is the only plant on this planet that provides this format

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    Evidently Steve Jobs was a vegetarian and raw food enthusiast. Even the name of his company (Apple) was because at the time he founded the company he was mostly eating fruit. Just the little reading I did his diet was very erratic and he at times would eat mostly one item. An example was he ate so many carrots during one period and little else that he turned slightly orange.

    I am not going to draw any conclusions with this information regarding his pancreatic cancer but I do know that a “balanced” diet is essential as in all factors in our life . . . balance is primary.

    Essential fatty acids and all other fats (in balance) are very important to proper function of our body systems. One fact I find fascinating and tragic is that when the medical industry starting insisting that we keep our bad cholesterol (LDL) around 100 and below that the rate of Alzheimer’s, dementia and other mental conditions shot up over 700%. This is because it is the “bad cholesterols” that feed and nourish the gray matter in our brains. Statin drugs that lower cholesterol are a multi-billion dollar for the pharmaceutical companies.

    Astrid, I agree that gmo soy bean products are one of the grains that is highly dangerous and causing many of our diseases today, but I have to disagree that Japan is where we are getting these soy products. The genetically mutated (modified) soy beans are largely grown in the United States. Japan’s agriculture is very labor intensive and they farm very little of their land. The Japanese do not need to use herbicides or modified soy bean seed because of these growing practices. They actually use (for the most part) old heirloom varieties and standard seed that have been passed down for many years. These soy beans or edamame are not dangerous and do not contain the phytoestrogen effects of gmo-soy beans. Of course now with the radiation and most of their agricultural land being in the area of the destroyed nuclear plant even this food source is dangerous. Also I have read many posts here on PA that if you ferment soy beans that they are then “safe” . . . . .this is not true with gmo soy beans . . . .you cannot alter the genetic structure of anything by fermenting it . . . “chemical” structure yes but not the “genetic” structure. A gmo soy bean will always be mutant no matter what you do to it.

    So did medical incompetence lead to Jobs death?? I don’t know . . .all we have is very circumstantial evidence from a very private brilliant individual. But the evidence we do have I would tend to lead towards a very eccentric diet of a very unconventional man could have contributed. It seems Steve Jobs did many things in his life full-tilt and to the extreme which created an incredibly brilliant industry and also could have contributed to his illness.

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    I was just wondering if any of you have given any thought that Steve Jobs may not have passed away? Steve was one of the riches guys in
    the world and it would be quite easy with his extensive health problems to fake his own death! I am not saying this is the case! But Steve
    had access to the Tptb And if he was not one of them, He most certainly had close ties with them!(just a random thought that is all!)

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    Guys, I can assure you, the diet did not kill him. Whatever is connected with cancer has an origin in our minds. The all external factors can influence up to 10% (in a case of severe intoxication etc) and please don't believe the statistics. I've studied it and I know that every statistic can be manipulated by will.
    From the "New Medicine " point of view, pancreas is an organ which depends of our satisfactions in our life. By my opinion Steve had some severe deceptions over his life before the cancer and this is what it cause it. The liver cancer after that is just a "added emotional shock" when you are totally afraid for your life and this is as I know, normal, logical consequence or if you want, normal development in this fiels, always when the person is not working in a resolution of his internal (many times they even know they have them) problems.

    GM soy is off course quite bad thing, but to provoke cancer, I would doubt it very much. we have to know that one of the most complex organisms in our planet is a human being. Not in a physical manner, but the power of mind is tremendous. And out of control or better said not in control yet. We are right now in a stage of evolution, where things are very out of balance. There are parts of our brain evolving more than the conscious mind can assimilate and the result is we are almost all very keen to do same very bad thing to ourselves (as a consequence of our belief system) and not so much good things. It would help a lot if we could raise our self estimate and starting to really love ourselves and as a consequence all others around us.

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    Steve Jobs had his consciousness transferred into a computer underneath Cupertino.

    They're only bodies.

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    I didn't read the whole thread. But I too found his story (as told on 60 minutes this week) about him initially refusing surgery and then 9 months having it and the cancer had spread.
    I guess what is missing is the real agenda behind 60 minutes in telling the story (fear mongering). If I had been looking after him I could tell you what was what. From the few facts mentioned, can't tell you anything (wasn't that their, BigPharms, point).

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    The story a friend told me is that he went the alternative medical route, but it did not work so he went to the mainstream medical treatment for help but it was to late - therefor he died because of this. This type of story could really turn people against all alternative medical options, and Steve would become a martyr for the AMA, and a witch hunt will ensue on all alternative practices. Media and PTB could really produce some serious fear, doubt and disbelief using a story like this. It's been done before, it can be done again, and I can see something like this being the start of a new campaign against alternative therapies.
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    Quote Posted by Ellisa (here)
    Steve Jobs had pancreatic cancer. Eventually the tumours grew so that his breathing became compromised. He had already lived much longer than most people with the same condition. His health had been dire for a long while and there comes a time when death is inevitable. Are you suggesting that a different diet would have saved him? With this type of cancer cures are rare and Jobs did well to survive it as long as he did. He was able to choose his own doctor and was obviously happy with the treatment he had received. After all he had lasted longer than any one would have predicted.
    Absolutley Jobs died from medical incompetence. Watch the movie called The Gereson Miracle... there they tell of two pancreatic cancer cures though the Gereson diet... Gereson therapy has been repressed in the USA. Jobs was a very ill advised man... such a shame.. I thought he was smarter... but obviously had no perception on health and how the human body works. If he did he would have taken his billions to the finest raw foods clinics to be found, mostly in Europe, that can provide other alternatives aside from diet as well.

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    On the contrary, Steve Jobs was given about 6 1/2 years longer than most pancreatic cancer patients due to the fact that he had extreme wealth and was able to obtain a new liver which is EXTREMELY rare for anyone with pancreatic cancer! Incompetence? No. Unethical? Perhaps...

    Absolute incompetance. Cancer is cured frequently in the right clinics, even pancreatic cancer, even stage 4 cancer. He was ill advised by people who probably didnt really know what they were doing. If you have not cured pacnreatic cancer you shouldn't be telling people how to do it. He should have gone to where this disease is cured.

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