Hoaglands take on YU55 Nov 9th onwards...

[onawah]

Trojan wrote

The arrogance involved in making this statement that these incarnated et are on your forum looking for info is laughable.

Personally, I wouldn't call that "adult conversation". I would call it name calling, baiting and insulting.

It's often not so much what you are saying as how you say it.
You might have said, " Isn't is a bit egoistic to say that there are incarnated ETs looking for information on your forum?"

Although I personally think that's quite possible. As I understand it, ETs who incarnate here are subject to the same kinds of limitations inherent in 3D consciousness that humans are who have been here for a long time. They are not infallible or all knowing, though they may be better equipped to overcome those limitations. And we have experience and information that they are interested in, according to Bob Dean, Dr. Steven Greer and others who have had direct contact.

[Sidney]

Posted by Forevernyt (here)
It's like asking a girl to dance...sooner or later one of them is going to say yes.

If he keeps plugging away, one day, he'll get it right and we'll hear a big " SEE I TOLD YOU SO!"

But then, who will be listening?

Yup, or a big ol cry wolf, finally the big catastrophe (whatever it may be) will come, and we're all caught with our pants down.

[KosmicKat]

One of the few things I am absolutely certain of: the freewill of the individual is inviolable. That applies to every form of life capable of making a choice about their own path. How is this honored in practice? I can't say for certain. Only that it is.

[eric charles]

Holy **** , ive done more research on Asteroid 2005 yu55 , this one for real is going to pass at 0.00022 AU from earth , now im freaked out , totally freaked out , just go on nasa jpl website and look at it for yourself , but dont go look at it in the list of potential earth hitting objects cuz its not in the list ( are they trying to conceal it ) , it is listed undr asteroid 2005 yu55 in the asterooid list only , so if you look beween the lines , its coming close .

I accidently closed my web browser and lost all the NASA JPL web pages LOL , not surprising with me so just bear and go check it out

[Hervé]

Sorry, got side-tracked into perception...

Now, regarding this Blue Marble, I am on the side of Alex Collier (latest interview here: http://www.charlesfrith.com/2011/10/...ollier-by.html) in considering it as a "Free Zone" or a galactic "Port Franc" where one could find all sorts of interstellar space travellers... pirates, corsairs, filibusters, privateers, buccaneers, shipwrecked, castaways, merchants, navy, etc. and all the accompanying trades and barters going along with those.

This is validated, if there is any truth to it, by the "as below, so above" corrollary of a widespread cliché since, when one takes a good look at the different societies, economie, cultures, etc one finds on this Earth... well, it gives an idea of what's "out there" in space as well as "in there" in terms of dimensions...

All considered, me thinks we are doing fine after all! Just need to handle these control freaks.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by eric charles (here)
Holy **** , ive done more research on Asteroid 2005 yu55 , this one for real is going to pass at 0.00022 AU from earth , now im freaked out , totally freaked out , just go on nasa jpl website and look at it for yourself , but dont go look at it in the list of potential earth hitting objects cuz its not in the list ( are they trying to conceal it ) , it is listed undr asteroid 2005 yu55 in the asterooid list only , so if you look beween the lines , its coming close .

I accidently closed my web browser and lost all the NASA JPL web pages LOL , not surprising with me so just bear and go check it out

Well, you have one too many decimal points in there; it's looking like 0.0022 AU from Earth and 0.0016AU from our Moon...

[the trojan]

Posted by onawah (here)
Trojan wrote

The arrogance involved in making this statement that these incarnated et are on your forum looking for info is laughable.

Personally, I wouldn't call that "adult conversation". I would call it name calling, baiting and insulting.

It's often not so much what you are saying as how you say it.
You might have said, " Isn't is a bit egoistic to say that there are incarnated ETs looking for information on your forum?"

Although I personally think that's quite possible. As I understand it, ETs who incarnate here are subject to the same kinds of limitations inherent in 3D consciousness that humans are who have been here for a long time. They are not infallible or all knowing, though they may be better equipped to overcome those limitations. And we have experience and information that they are interested in, according to Bob Dean, Dr. Steven Greer and others who have had direct contact.

ok onawah ,As I said it depends on interpretation,you have suggested another way of stating what i typed.


Thanks for correcting my words for me.
I dont agree with you by the way,but I will try to understand you....

a.where is the namecalling? is it the suggestion of how arrogant the original statement sounds to me ?
b.where is the baiting? I cant see that one,unless you consider my whole post as a baiting tactic?
c.why is it insulting? because it made me laugh?

So now that I have learned my lesson from you on how to have an adult conversation ,may I ask you some questions regarding your post?

Although I personally think that's quite possible.
Is that just a feeling or do you base it on evidence?

As I understand it, ETs who incarnate here are subject to the same kinds of limitations inherent in 3D consciousness that humans are who have been here for a long time.
Is that just a feeling or do you base it on evidence?

They are not infallible or all knowing, though they may be better equipped to overcome those limitations.
What makes you think that they are better equipped,are they not only human?

And we have experience and information that they are interested in,
Why would an advanced race be interested in the human condition?

according to Bob Dean, Dr. Steven Greer and others who have had direct contact.
Again,we only have their word for this.

Is that okay Onawah,please feel free to interpret my questions as you wish.
Please do not interpret my questions as arrogant,cheeky,combative,or any other negative style.
I am being so honest with you and have no need or wish to challenge you ..
I am attempting to have a conversation via a forum..and it is proving difficult to have conversations on forums.

[13th Warrior]

This is kind of off topic but i was just thinking, what is the name of the Earth's Moon?

I've only ever heard earthlings call it "the moon" like it's the first moon ever created and all the other moons of planets in our solar system have names...

What do other off planet folks call the Earth Moon?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
Bill ... Precisely who would interject if the rules were broken??

(I'm not Bill and I'll wager he wouldn't answer this way .)

In my view, no one would interject. The orderings of the Universe are much different than that.

Each level (some would say "dimension" here, but I personally dislike that use of the word) of the dynamic, self-organizing Universe, naturally evolves those structures that are the most robust. This is true from the lowest level formation of sub-atomic particles from the ether (Paul LaViolette) to the formation of advanced galactic civilizations.

Intervening too obviously in this process at some lower level harms that level, causing it to form warped or weakened structures. A wise parent does not micromanage the affairs of his/her child, but let's the child learn, in those cases where the child can cope with the hard knocks. The same parent might, if the need arose, yank a child quite sharply out of the way of an oncoming truck.

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)
This is kind of off topic but i was just thinking, what is the name of the Earths Moon?

I've only ever heard earthlings call it "the moon" like it's the first moon ever created and all the other moons of planets in our solar system have names...

What do other off planet folks call the Earth Moon?

Are you one of these guest that Bill is talking about 13th warrior????

regards
roman

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
Bill ... Precisely who would interject if the rules were broken??

(I'm not Bill and I'll wager he wouldn't answer this way .)

In my view, no one would interject. The orderings of the Universe are much different than that.

Each level (some would say "dimension" here, but I personally dislike that use of the word) of the dynamic, self-organizing Universe, naturally evolves those structures that are the most robust. This is true from the lowest level formation of sub-atomic particles from the ether (Paul LaViolette) to the formation of advanced galactic civilizations.

Intervening too obviously in this process at some lower level harms that level, causing it to form warped or weakened structures. A wise parent does not micromanage the affairs of his/her child, but let's the child learn, in those cases where the child can cope with the hard knocks. The same parent might, if the need arose, yank a child quite sharply out of the way of an oncoming truck.

Thank you Paul for answering,

but where did you get such information from??
My regards to you
roman

isn't Paul LaViolette a physicist, and the coming waves his theory. the same theory as Loren Knight, does he profess to know a galactic authority as does Bob dean???

[ponda]

onawah said:

My questions have to do with how and why the ETs determine what is permissible re intervention and what is not.
Especially inasmuch as negatively oriented ETs have done so much harm, which presumably, by the same edicts, is not permissible.

My guess would be that the negative et's don't play by the same rules as the positives.The negs might interfere as much as they can get away with.Now just how much they can get away with might be decided by higher positives or some other unknown aspect of the bigger picture.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)
This is kind of off topic but i was just thinking, what is the name of the Earths Moon?

I've only ever heard earthlings call it "the moon" like it's the first moon ever created and all the other moons of planets in our solar system have names...

What do other off planet folks call the Earth Moon?

Are you one of these guest that Bill is talking about 13th warrior????

regards
roman

I've never been a guest of Bills' well, not in this lifetime anyway...

[DevilPigeon]

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)
This is kind of off topic but i was just thinking, what is the name of the Earth's Moon?

I've only ever heard earthlings call it "the moon" like it's the first moon ever created and all the other moons of planets in our solar system have names...

What do other off planet folks call the Earth Moon?

The official name of our moon is 'Raymond Luxury Yacht' (pronounced 'Throatwobbler Mangrove')

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)
This is kind of off topic but i was just thinking, what is the name of the Earths Moon?

I've only ever heard earthlings call it "the moon" like it's the first moon ever created and all the other moons of planets in our solar system have names...

What do other off planet folks call the Earth Moon?

Are you one of these guest that Bill is talking about 13th warrior????

regards
roman

I've never been a guest of Bills' well, not in this lifetime anyway...

Its when you said" I only heard earthling" you know, made me think, hehehe

regards
roman

[DevilPigeon]

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Whether this asteroid or whatever actually puts in an appearance of some kind I'm sure we'll find out soon enough... But the recent influx of bizarre/whacky theories in general, whilst entertaining to a degree has actually helped me to start to take all of them with a rather large pinch of salt. That's good, no longer do I blindly believe every piece of stuff posted without it filtering through my 'gut-instinct-o-meter' first.

I'm slowly coming to realise that whatever will be will be, and in fact the only sensible thing we can do if we want to take our world back from the usurpers that stole it many years ago, is to engage more and more in non-violent non-cooperation - exactly as David Icke & many others have been saying for years.

Maybe the fact that we seem to want to believe so readily in far-out Utopian saviour scenarios is due to the fact that the real world we live in is so messed up at the moment... Maybe it's a psychological/unconscious way of trying to bring equilibrium to our surroundings. Or to borrow a Star Wars line, "to bring balance to the force"

[math330]

Posted by eric charles (here)
I accidently closed my web browser and lost all the NASA JPL web pages LOL , not surprising with me so just bear and go check it out

Here, let me help you.
"Although classified as a potentially hazardous object, 2005 YU55 poses no threat of an Earth collision over at least the next 100 years. However, this will be the closest approach to date by an object this large that we know about in advance and an event of this type will not happen again until 2028 when asteroid (153814) 2001 WN5 will pass to within 0.6 lunar distances. "

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news171.html

[Unified Serenity]

Clicking Thanks doesn't seem good enough Bill. I really appreciate what you shared regarding sources. It is very important that sources be vetted properly before giving out information, but as you said it does appear to have a lot to do with ego. I wish what BF says were true, but it's always ringed hollow to me, and yes, we have to do the work on our own. Bill, I often throw cold water on some topics here because I see another side to things. We do need to stand up to the system, but how exactly do we do that when it appears to me the people are being orchestrated into a show tptw desire. What do you think we can do besides being the change personally we want to see?

Do you think there is a way to take apart the private banking cartel and regain our individual freedom AND responsibility? So many today look to the government which is controlled to a large extent by powerful corporations which are controlled by these very powerful families. I'd love to hear any ideas you have or have heard bantered about with others.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)

Thank you Paul for answering,

but where did you get such information from??

I don't actually know where it comes from . It seems to me more like it forms in my awareness, as I look about and take things in.

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
isn't Paul LaViolette a physicist, and the coming waves his theory. the same theory as Loren Knight, does he profess to know a galactic authority as does Bob dean???

LaViolette is, in part, a physicist, yes.

I was referring to LaViolette's Model G, providing a theory for the formation of matter and energy from the ether.

Whether LaViolette's galactic super wave theory is the same as Loren Knight I have no idea, not knowing what Loren said. I suspect it is not exactly the same, as LaViolette's super waves are strongly grounded in his Model G physics, which I have seen no one else present. But perhaps it is similar.

So far as I know, LaViolette does not profess to know any galactic authority, but there is much of LaViolette's writings that I've not read yet.

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Posted by nearing (here)
I am with onawah in being skeptical about this 'rule of non-interference'. I have heard of the rule or law talked about as fact in many circles but have never heard of how it came to be: who made this rule, what happens if it's broken, etc.

In my view, no one "made" the rule - there is not (for me) some uber-boss dictating the rules of the game.

Rather beings (of any level) that are nurtured under artificially favorable conditions become as "hot house plants", unaccustomed to the more harsh and diverse conditions "out there."

Thus higher beings (even parents, of their children) will choose to minimize involvement in the aspects of the beings they are nourishing, at least to the extent that the nourished beings are aware of and adapting to those same aspects themselves.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by nearing (here)
Actually I am inclined to think that this 'rule' doesn't exist at all and the story of its existence was created to explain away the fact that we do not get any help from other intelligent races.

I suspect that too sometimes, partially.

In other words I suspect both happen:

• Other more advanced galactic civilizations will choose to keep their involvement in us subtle, for that is necessary for our proper growth.
• Earthly powers will twist this lack of apparent involvement to their own purposes.