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    New Fulford Interview Transcript: Old World Order Nearing Defeat

    Written by David Wilcock
    Monday, 31 October 2011 19:07



    On October 13, 2011, Benjamin Fulford gave another revealing interview. As a public service, we have transcribed it and summarized the greater context we have been sharing here -- so these world-defining events will be easier to follow and document as we proceed.

    Transcript and Commentary by David Wilcock, New York Times best-selling author of "The Source Field Investigations"

    QUITE A REMARKABLE STORY

    I have carefully followed the Benjamin Fulford story since he first emerged on the Internet a few years ago -- and have interviewed him several times now myself. Our most recent interview appeared on September 16th, here at divinecosmos.com.

    It is quite a remarkable tale -- wherein a former Asia-Pacific bureau chief for Forbes Magazine stumbles into the dark world of international finance and control, and ends up becoming a key player in opposing it.

    Fulford discovered this quasi-governmental group had genocidal plans for humanity -- and were siphoning off massive amounts of money from the Japanese economy that could have been used to end poverty and environmental destruction.

    He was then contacted by positive Asian secret societies who have been resisting the Old World Order. Now, with an English-speaking Westerner they could trust, these people were able to get the truth out to the Western world.

    Since these early days, their alliance has grown dramatically -- to the point now that apparently 100 different countries are aligned in their efforts to overthrow the Old World Order and restore peace and prosperity to the people of this planet.

    It is not easy for these resistance groups to communicate publicly, due to the extensive use of murder, threats, bribery and blackmail by the Old World Order. As soon as anyone sticks their neck out, their head could easily get chopped off.

    Fulford claims to have survived multiple attempts on his life, and still lives to tell this amazing tale of international intrigue.


    FULFORD DOESN'T "DO" UFOs



    I don't wish to dishonor or discredit Fulford's work by bringing up the UFO subject. It is very clear that he wishes to steer clear of it in his own work. However, many people are very interested in this subject, and Fulford has touched on it occasionally.

    Fulford has no direct evidence that UFOs exist, and / or are piloted by extraterrestrials. He has never seen one, and it does not appear that he has intensively studied the available literature on the subject.

    In many ways, Fulford was essentially an "ordinary guy" working for Forbes as a financial journalist before he stumbled into this world. Clearly, there is so much to know and learn within his own area of concern that he doesn't have much time to read up on UFOs.

    However, Fulford has met with Pentagon sources who claim to have directly worked with gravity-shielding and stargate-type "portal" technology, and who wish to release it to humanity. Fulford has not seen any of this himself, but said he would love it if it were true.

    This was one of several ways in which the things Fulford heard fit together very neatly with what I'd already encountered from other insiders.

    Fulford did also hear that the Chinese were contacted by ETs in the 1940s who were mistreated by the United States government -- apparently in the Roswell crash.

    He was also told that this same ET group is apparently still assisting the Chinese -- and others -- to this very day. I have also had significant corroboration of this from my own 'insider' sources.


    CHILDHOOD'S END



    As a result of being a public figure discussing UFOs since 1996, including appearing in seven episodes of Ancient Aliens on History Channel, I have had numerous 'insiders' approach me who work within classified projects to share information.

    The conclusions I have made from this body of information are quite vast in scope. We are going through the very last days of our "isolation," thinking we're the only intelligent human life out there. This will all be changing sooner than we think.

    I have also been closely affiliated with Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan of Project Camelot, within the first few months of their development. My deep involvement with Project Camelot gave me potential access to every insider who approached them.

    Most of these whistleblowers were captured on videos that are free for everyone to watch -- but others could not go public. Some of the key insiders I am in contact with did not speak to Camelot at all.



    HENRY DEACON


    I have had over 100 hours of discussion with "Henry Deacon," a Camelot witness who worked within a world so highly classified it would almost have to be called a breakaway civilization, as Rich Dolan has termed it.

    The Deacon material was absolutely electrifying, and when I began reading it, I knew Kerry and Bill had found someone who was very genuine -- and plugged in at a very high level. There were many correlations with what I had heard, and never published, from others.

    At this level, you begin your day by driving to work at a military base somewhere. You sign in and go through three or four increasingly strict security checkpoints before arriving at what is called "The Corridor."

    You walk down a long, round hallway with an elevator at the end. To ordinary workers, it's just an elevator that will take you up one floor, albeit very slowly -- and there's a stairwell right next to it that does the same thing a lot faster, so why wait?

    However, if you are carrying the right identification, then when you step into this metallic, oversized elevator, insert your key into the lock and turn it, the door slowly closes behind you -- and when it opens, you've now traveled to an entirely different location.

    The elevator is literally a portal that uses an instantaneous means of travel to bring you to work -- which could be in another underground base on Earth, any one of over 200 large interstellar spacecraft, or a variety of different off-planet bases.



    QUITE AN AMAZING STORY


    Deacon encountered at least 43 different types of human beings at his job, each of whom had evolved on different worlds. The vast majority of them looked quite similar to you and me, though they could range from two and a half feet tall up to fifteen feet.

    The base Henry worked at was located on Mars, and of the 270,000 "personnel" who worked there, only 10,000 were born on or descended from people on Earth.

    His job was fairly boring, from a terrestrial perspective -- he was essentially a maintenance and problem-solving man for various forms of advanced equipment they were using there.

    He was kept tightly contained, never even got to walk the surface of the planet, and spent a lot of time playing ping-pong and watching television.

    He didn't interact with ETs much except in certain meetings, and there were strict guidelines: no idle chatter, no specific questions other than whatever was work-related. This is something you hear again and again with people who have met ETs in these fields.


    NOT A FLAKE



    I have spent well over 100 hours in conversation with Deacon over the years, and he finally came forward and revealed himself to the public at the Zurich conference in July 2009, during the second half of the late NASA astronaut Dr. Brian O'Leary's groundbreaking presentation on free energy.

    You can access the full two-hour-and-43-minute video of this presentation by scrolling to the bottom of this page:

    http://projectcamelot.org/zurich_10-12_July_2009.html



    It doesn't move as quickly as it could, since every statement is translated into German as we go. However, it is still worth watching.

    I jumped up on stage with Henry, by his request, when he finally decided to come forward. This exciting and unexpected moment begins at 57:51 in the following video:
    Henry has never sold products or attempted to profit from his story in any way, and went into hiding after this and a few other brief public appearances soon afterwards in 2009.


    WE CAN CREATE A NEW EARTH



    Henry's most significant statement about the new planet we can create with this knowledge begins at 1:20:22, after a standing ovation. This is followed by some dialogue I have with him about what it is like to meet human ETs, up until the 1:30:00 mark, where Dr. O'Leary continues his remarkable presentation on free energy.

    At 1:43:48, Dr. O'Leary asks me for my own take on why cold fusion experiments don't always work -- and ends up provoking an emotional revealing of my own personal experience of the untimely death of Dr. Eugene Mallove.

    Two months ago now, Henry finally flew out here to Los Angeles and made a few statements on stage at the Awake and Aware conference, during the panel discussion -- but did not go into any real detail about the jobs he used to have, as he is still very concerned about saying too much.

    Deacon is one of a very small number of people who were involved in this "breakaway civilization" but have still spoken publicly. Bob Dean is another example, and he also spoke at the Awake and Aware conference and has done free Camelot videos as well.

    The "good guys" in the Pentagon have told Fulford they want to release this "portal" technology for the benefit of humanity -- and I have heard the same thing as well.

    The changes still ahead of us are potentially very exciting -- bringing us directly into a Star Trek future, while most of us are still wondering if we will ever send rockets to the Moon again.


    EXTRATERRESTRIAL INTERVENTION


    One of the most intriguing turns in this whole story has been the apparent intervention of the ETs working with China, Russia, Brazil and India to help the "non-aligned nations" overthrow the Old World Order.

    This does not explicitly imply the ETs support China. It merely means they are doing what is best for everyone's health and well-being on Earth at this time.

    In my next update I will again cover all of this with links, but right for now this will just be a pre-emptive summary of what I covered in the "China's October Surprise" article series:
    CHINA'S OCTOBER SURPRISE, PART ONE: Disclosure and "The Event"

    CHINA'S OCTOBER SURPRISE, PART TWO: Earth's Quarantine Has Lifted

    CHINA'S OCTOBER SURPRISE, PART THREE: The Fight for Disclosure

    CHINA'S OCTOBER SURPRISE, PART FOUR: Live Radio Show!

    CHINA'S OCTOBER SURPRISE, PART FIVE: Disclosure War at Critical Mass

    CHINA'S OCTOBER SURPRISE, PART SIX: Official Government Disclosure Has Begun

    This new campaign began in October 2010 with a series of highly public, mysterious failures of equipment, and continued to be visible in various forms until mid-November. The war then went "deep black," affecting underground facilities in painful ways. See Parts One, Two and Three.

    The most visible sign of it was when HAARP was used in an attempt to repel some of these attacks -- which up until this time were only disabling and / or removing craft and war materiel that could be used to fake an "alien invasion".




    Massive bird and fish deaths were created in the areas where this defense technology was used, beginning around December 31st -- see Part Five -- and after a short time the use of HAARP had to be stopped, in order to avoid a mass public realization of what was occurring.


    A PLAN FOR DISCLOSURE



    Very soon after this stunning defeat, in January, Chinese officials then visited the US to discuss a plan for Disclosure -- so I was told.

    The actual meeting of Hu Jintao with Vice President Biden, and later President Obama, was well-documented and photographed.




    We don't publicly know exactly what they discussed, but apparently this was the key follow-up meeting in the aftermath of these surprising, ET-assisted military strikes.

    Most surprisingly, a human ET apparently showed up for the meeting, wearing a brown coat. Apparently Biden was quite shocked and delighted to meet this person, but all photographs of his animated greeting were completely sanitized by the media.

    See Part Six for more detail on this story.



    STEP BY STEP


    After this meeting, the insider "alphabet soup agencies" all then voted on and approved a formal, step-by-step Disclosure plan, which began to be implemented in February. I heard about all of this before it happened, and was excited to see what would develop.

    I was not told enough specifics to know exactly what would happen, but I got very precise time windows of when. Experience taught me to keep my mouth shut and not say anything publicly, as otherwise it could be much less dramatic than what I may have hoped for.

    The answer came almost down to the day of when I was told to expect it -- from two different well-connected insider sources. First, the FBI released a treasure-trove of new UFO-related documents on the Internet, including one that blatantly revealed the reality of the Roswell crash involving human ETs.

    Two weeks later the NSA did the same thing -- again, right on time with when I had been told the first "wave" of Disclosure would occur.

    I was then told this was a preliminary stage -- a "quiet, official Disclosure" to pave the way for a formal, openly-announced event later on. Once this bigger event happened, no one would wonder about it anymore -- it would be public and obvious at that point.

    This whole story is found in Part Six of "China's October Surprise."


    FUKUSHIMA



    Then, however, came Fukushima. I was warned about it in my dreams in advance -- in some detail -- and posted my concerns in an update detailing my recovery from a flu virus, entitled "Bouncing Back from Hack Attack."


    I don't brag about prophecy, but this was all posted two weeks before the event. My dreams described what would happen in symbolic terms, and led me to conclude, in writing, that the next big BP-type global event was about to occur.

    As this new interview reveals, Fulford had already openly predicted that such an attack against Japan could occur -- namely an earthquake that would then set off nuclear reactors. This is exactly what happened -- and it significantly added credibility to Fulford's testimony.

    Fulford had said this attack was a punishment to Japan for cutting off the flow of many billions of dollars that had been in place since exploitive no-bid reconstruction contracts were slapped on them after World War II.

    This financial cutoff began in 2008 -- and was one of the key factors that led to the financial paralysis of many key Old World Order companies in the "Lehman shock" later that year. These companies had cheated death for too long in the madcap world of derivatives trading.

    After Fukushima, the Prime Minister, Heizo Takenaka, apparently did give money to the Old World Order after he was threatened that an additional attack would occur, setting off the Mount Fuji volcano directly outside Tokyo, if he did not comply.

    This was covered in some detail in my most recent interview with Fulford.


    THE UNDERGROUND BASES



    The story of this extraterrestrial intervention against the Old World Order, and the progress towards Disclosure, seemed to go quiet after Fukushima for the next five months.

    However, this all changed on the day my book was released -- August 23, 2011. On this very day, the East Coast was rocked by the largest earthquake in a century -- and it had very unusual characteristics.

    The peculiar properties of this quake were all extremely consistent with what we see after an underground nuclear explosion.

    It was at a shallow depth, had no buildup but suddenly arrived at maximum intensity, it shook a very large area of the earth for its size, and had very few aftershocks. See Part One of "Disclosure Imminent", featuring my Fulford interview, for the details.




    This graphic compares the sudden onset of the DC quake in comparison to the seismic pattern of a more typical quake.


    This is, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future, the only tangible "proof" we will have to back up what the insiders are telling us occurred below ground. However, if a mass announcement is made, as Fulford is indicating, this may all come out in the open.

    I have since spoken with personnel who have visited the damage firsthand. I have no significant reason to doubt what they are telling me, based on the impeccable credibility and trust that has been built up with these people over time.

    These strikes have dealt critical, mortal blows to Majestic. It is as if the brains have been removed from the body. It is the greatest single surprise in this entire behind-the-scenes war, since the dawn of the UFO cover-up -- and it was still only the first volley.



    SYMBOLIC IMPORTANCE


    Interestingly, this earthquake also cracked the pyramidion on top of the Washington Monument. Symbolically, this represented the "cracking of the eye" of the Illuminati -- indicating their ever-increasingly-imminent downfall.




    The Colorado earthquake from barely a day earlier was apparently due to another very major underground facility being wiped out -- which was directly connected to the Denver airport.

    The facility near Washington, DC was where many government personnel and insiders planned on fleeing to in the event of an "emergency" -- such as the public revealing of their culpability in high crimes and misdemeanors.

    Apparently, many of them had lavish private quarters in this facility, complete with personal belongings -- all of which were wiped out.

    Similarly, the facility under the ground in Colorado was massive, and had a great deal of supplies. I've now had multiple points of confirmation from every key insider I know that these bases were indeed wiped out on August 22nd and 23rd.


    FULFORD CONFIRMS


    When the rumors first surfaced that underground facilities had been destroyed, I had no idea if it was true -- nor did the insiders. It seemed almost too good to be true that this had all happened on the same day the Source Field book came out.

    It also seemed hard to believe that such a massive strike could have occurred against Old World Order bases. Nonetheless, as time went on, various insiders I knew were briefed about what had happened -- and over a few weeks of time, the "big picture" came together.

    Fulford's own sources independently corroborated what I had heard. The stories are not exactly the same, as you will read in this interview, but there are many similarities between them -- and somewhere in there is likely to be the truth.

    I have since heard that no radiation was found in these bases, and the damage is consistent with a 20-fold increase in air pressure that occurred spontaneously.

    Later on, audio recordings were recovered from within the bases, revealing that for 24 hours prior to the "explosions," there were sounds of furniture sliding all over the floor and people yelling and screaming.

    It does appear that all the personnel in these bases were "portaled" to a safe location, along with the material they need to survive.


    SIX MORE BASES TAKEN OUT

    After the first two bases were cleared out, six additional bases were hit around the world. This information also did not appear right away, but took weeks to surface.

    Other reports had surfaced from various sources online, of questionable credibility, indicating the number had been anywhere from four to thirteen. No one else online had the figure of six that I had heard.


    MANY ADDITIONAL BASES HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT SINCE THEN


    I didn't find out until mid-October that at the very end of September, a surprisingly large number of additional bases were cleared out.

    I was asked not to give the number of how many were affected, but I do have it.

    I was very surprised and actually moved to tears when I heard this. The whole story is covered in Part Two of the "Disclosure Imminent?" series.

    At that moment, I really knew this was rapidly paving the way for some very positive changes in the world. I also felt badly for all the employees who are not being told of the imminent risks they face by continuing to work at these jobs.

    In each of these cases, all personnel and materials have been removed from the bases, but the facilities themselves are still intact -- there's just nothing left in them. No furniture, no supplies and no personnel -- just totally blank and empty rooms.

    Since information doesn't always come right away, there could very well have been even more bases taken out since the major attack at the end of September -- but we will have to find out in time.



    MASSIVE HIRING BINGE IN COLORADO


    I also had email come in from a woman in Colorado who is on an official, subscription-based job posting service. She was stunned, in the last week, to see a massive number of new job listings appear.

    I still have a huge body of data to sort through with this, but it would appear that there is a hiring frenzy going on for just about every position you could think of that would be necessary to run an underground facility in Colorado -- including waste management.

    The job descriptions describe challenges for the employee, like the ability to live and work for long periods of time alone, without sunlight -- not to mention a security clearance.

    This has become part of the "big picture" I now need to tie in. It is not direct "proof" or evidence of the destruction of an underground facility -- but the timing is extremely interesting in light of the information that is now surfacing from multiple sources.

    As tempting as the jobs sounded, our friend did not take the bait. The last thing she wants is to end up disappearing to wherever these people are going to on the other end of the portal -- though it is probably a harmless place.

    I do believe they will all be safely returned once this whole situation finally clears up for the good. Nonetheless, I was stunned at the sheer size and complexity of the list of suspicious new job postings that just appeared this past week in Colorado.


    WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?


    According to many credible whistleblowers who came forward in a mass, public event last year, the Old World Order has experienced ETs monitoring and even powering down their nuclear facilities ever since the original Trinity test.

    No overtly hostile actions were taken, but it seemed clear that they would be prevented from ever actually using nukes.

    It is unfortunate that so many people lived in fear of nuclear war for so long, given that very powerful ETs were protecting Earth and insuring this could never actually happen.

    However, the Old World Order were still allowed to perpetrate many elaborate disasters -- including, perhaps most notably, 9/11. This led them to believe they could do whatever they wanted and could not be stopped.

    This has all changed with the advent of China's October Surprise -- an ET-assisted military campaign that has now dealt critical blows to the Powers that Were, leaving them reeling in agony and unable to defend themselves with any real significance now.

    They may still be allowed to create additional small-scale problems for a while longer.

    It is important to remember that the ETs have a non-intervention policy. They are not just going to show up in our skies and do all the work for us.


    WE HAVE TO FINISH THE JOB OURSELVES



    I do believe the ETs are able to intervene up to a point where it becomes actually feasible for the Old World Order to be defeated -- and formally charged with their crimes against humanity.

    According to Fulford and other sources, just days before the destruction of the first two underground facilities, 57 countries met in international waters, off the coast of Monaco, to discuss the rebooting of the world's financial system.

    World leaders were shown photographs, video, maps and blueprints of underground facilities, and told that these were built so that if the Old World Order created a nuclear holocaust on the Earth's surface, they could live in this breakaway civilization underground.

    It was collectively decided, and agreed, that a new financial system would be introduced -- backed entirely by solid assets rather than creating zeroes in a computer.

    This will effectively destroy much of the corruption now plaguing the existing system, and significantly improve the quality of life for everyone on Earth.

    This is only a transitional stage to a system in which money will be completely needless. The difference from how things are now is almost unimaginable.

    The detail of explaining this future scenario credibly requires a whole new article -- which I have been working on.



    INTERESTING CONNECTIONS


    One of the main people responsible for this new international economic recovery plan, behind the scenes, has also been in contact with one of my own key insiders.

    I'd heard independent chatter about this plan for the last year and a half, and had no idea that this was the same thing Fulford had gotten involved in.

    I didn't even realize that Fulford and my source were talking about the same person and the same plan until I gave my source a detailed summary of what Fulford has been saying.

    I was told that the issue was so sensitive that he wouldn't have told me anything about it at all -- but since everything I told him was right on, I "already knew everything," and there was no harm in confirming that it was all true.

    The only discrepancy was that when my insider last heard about it, only 50 countries had signed on. Nonetheless, this was more than two weeks before the final meeting, so it all fit very nicely. According to Fulford, fully 100 countries have now agreed to it.

    THINGS ARE GETTING REALLY EXCITING NOW


    It is very exciting to see this story taking shape. I highly recommend reading my previous article posts in David's Blog, here on divinecosmos.com, if you want to chart the unfolding of this intriguing saga and follow up with the links.

    I'm still recovering from a nasty flu virus I caught in Arizona, which continued to drag me down when I spoke at the New Life Expo in New York, and almost completely lost my voice that Sunday.


    Since then, I've been forced to take it easy. My next large article is mostly complete, and will summarize the story up until now with links -- but this is a more involved research work.

    I continue to speak with the insiders when possible, and track Fulford's latest updates every Monday morning on his paid blog, benjaminfulford.net, which is well worth the cost of subscription to support this noble cause.

    At this point, given how sensitive things are, I consider every significant public statement Fulford makes to be worthy of documentation.




    I TRANSCRIBED THE NEW INTERVIEW


    I found out Monday morning that Fulford had given an interview with Sean David Morton, who had moderated the "Strange Universe" panel I just spoke on in New York.

    Since I can transcribe almost as fast as I can listen, I got my fingers working as I tuned in. I popped in my own comments in brackets, with my initials DW:, where appropriate.

    There have been three more updates from Fulford since he gave this interview, and I will highlight the most significant points -- but this is still pretty current stuff.

    What you are about to read may seem a lot more "mundane" than what I've been discussing -- but I have now given you the greater context through which I view everything I'm seeing, hearing and reading.


    INTRODUCTION TO BEN FULFORD

    Link to Fulford / Morton Interview
    http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/...32k-101311.mp3

    M: He’s sold over 500,000 non-fiction books written in Japanese. He has produced a comprehensive catalog in fields ranging from business to Yakuza gangsters to high finance to government corruption.

    He is now focused on exposing US manipulation of Japanese politics, media and education through a combination of bribes, murder, brainwashing, et cetera.

    His goal is to counter US propaganda and expose the Japanese people to the truth, so that they may free themselves from the colonial yoke and use their five trillion in overseas holdings to end world poverty and save the environment.

    He has worked in Japan for Knight-Ridder, the International Financing Review, the Nippon Kizai Shungun English edition, and the South China Morning Post before moving to Forbes Magazine, where he was the Asian bureau chief from 1998 to 2005.

    His investigative reports pursued scandals in the Japanese government and business world. After leaving Forbes Magazine, he wrote a series of books in Japanese, some of which became bestsellers, and began to be published on the Internet.

    In an effort to get more involved, he naturalized to Japan in 2007. As a Japanese citizen, he has now gained popularity on the Internet after he conducted interviews with the reclusive David Rockefeller in November, 2007.



    PLEASE WELCOME BENJAMIN FULFORD


    Please welcome my guest to the end of our Strange Universe, Mr. Benjamin Fulford. It is an honor to have you here, sir. Thank you very much.

    BF: Well, thanks for calling me on.

    M: Let’s just open up with this. Give me the big picture. Who currently, right now… there seems to be, and correct me if I’m wrong here, but there seems to be a war going on behind the scenes.

    Give me the big picture right now as to which factions and which groups are in control of where?


    THE VACUUM AT THE TOP OF THE INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL SYSTEM

    BF: OK. I think what’s happening is that there is a vacuum at the very top of the international financial system.

    What I mean by that is there is no agreement on the international financial treaties that govern the financial system right now.

    The Bretton Woods mandate for US, France and England expired in 1994, and there has been no consensus about what to do following that.



    OLD BANKING AND ROYAL FAMILIES CONTROLLED THE G5

    What you see is Europe and the United States, the G5, are controlled by a cabal of families that are what you could call the royal families and the old banking families.

    The names are well known. The Rothschilds, the Warburgs, names like Queen Elizabeth and Queen Beatrix (of the Netherlands).

    They have always controlled the issuing of money. They had a secret group they called the Committee of 300 or the Bilderburgers, or whatever, that directed the story the planet went by.

    They set up the Cold War as a way to boost the military industry.



    77 NON-ALIGNED NATIONS SET UP THEIR OWN SYSTEM

    They never controlled what was known as the non-aligned nations.

    That was a group of 77 countries, including China, India, Indonesia and Yugoslavia, that were angry that the promises made at Bretton Woods were not being kept.

    They set up a different system. They pooled together their gold and their treasures and they wanted to have a Marshall Plan to develop Asia and Africa and lift them out of poverty.



    KENNEDY AND SUKARNO’S EFFORTS WERE DEFEATED

    They gave the rights to this gold to President Kennedy, and asked him to carry it out.

    He issued dollars that were controlled by the US government, not by the privately-owned Federal Reserve Board.

    He was assassinated.

    Then, President Sukarno [of Indonesia], who was a signatory for the non-aligned nations, was driven out of office.



    BONDS WERE STOLEN BY THE OLD WORLD ORDER



    At that point they illegally took these bonds. This would be Kissinger, David Eisenhower [Rockefeller?], that whole cabal in the US.

    You can get a good list of their names by looking at people who are members of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg [meetings].

    If they’re on all three, you’re talking top people. OK?

    M: OK. Yes.


    THEY SET UP "TRADING PLATFORMS"




    BF: They set up these esoteric things called trading platforms.

    I was confused because I have been a financial journalist for a very long time and you never hear about such things.

    When I start talking to people at the BIS, who are right at the very tip-top, they start talking about these things called trading platforms.

    Further research showed that what they are is an illegal fraud. That’s the system they’ve been using to take government money and put it into the hands of private oligarchs.

    For example, the Kennedy bonds were supposed to be owned by the US government and under the control of Congress and the Treasury Department.

    Instead, David Eisenhower [Rockefeller?] has been using them for secret purposes that we are not aware of.

    There has been a long investigation into this issue by people who were trying to figure out what was going on ever since Kennedy was assassinated.



    THEY WERE TRYING TO SET UP A FASCIST WORLD GOVERNMENT

    The general consensus, what we’re seeing in the big picture, is that the fascists who lost WWII were trying to set up a fascist world government.

    This would be certain factions in Japan, in the US, in Italy and England and so on. They wanted a government controlled by them.

    They very nearly pulled it off. This is what everyone refers to as the New World Order.


    A NEW GROUP HAS CONTACTED FULFORD


    *super snip due to length*


    IT WILL BE THE BIGGEST NEWS IN THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF HISTORY

    Just remember. They don’t have money anymore. All they have is illusion. And that illusion is breaking up.

    At the end of the day, what’s going to happen is humanity is going to take over the process of deciding what they want to do next for the future from a small, inbred elite.

    That is going to be bigger than the fall of the Soviet Union. It’s going to be the biggest thing probably in thousands of years in our history. That’s how big it’s going to be.

    The implications are just so mind-boggling. Literally, we’re going to have the ability to live for thousands of years.

    We’re going to have all this SF technology that has been hidden from us. Free energy will allow us to live like rich people.

    This is all going to be realistically possible within our lifetimes, once we get rid of these control freak monsters who took over the top of the Western system.




    WHAT ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF UNDERGROUND BASES?

    M: I guess, last but not least: again, you have created a lot of controversy. The August 23rd earthquakes.

    I predicted there was going to be an alignment within five days of August 18th, and we were going to see something on the Appalachian plains, and the Appalachian quake.

    You believe that these are this war being extended to underground bases and facilities being cleared out.

    BF: What I heard from my direct sources, not stuff I heard on the Internet, was that there were two missiles in the underground system that were going to be used to set off some kind of terrorist event in New York and Washington.

    Instead, they were taken to the safe part of the underground system. They were blown up where they weren’t going to cause much human or material damage.

    I heard a lot of their warehouses, much of their stashes were blown up. And then, to confirm it, there was the seismographic evidence showing it was an underground explosion, and not an earthquake.

    And the epicenter coincided with known underground bases.

    M: Benjamin Fulford, thank you so much. I hope you are a regular contributor to the show. I respect your time and I understand that you have to go. Thank you. Can you come back?

    BF: If something important happens, I will contact you, but when there’s no news, there’s no news. There’s a lot of waiting with this.

    [END]


    THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS



    Fulford's most recent blog ends with new developments about how this financial system will be put in place:
    What is now going to happen is that the 100 countries that have so far joined the new system started in Monaco in August, are going to implement the new system in four stages, according to a White Dragon Society source.

    The US military and agencies will be involved in this process right from the beginning, he added. Efforts to intimidate generals by using corrupt institutions like the IRS to try to repossess their homes will backfire and lead to criminal prosecutions.

    The first step will be a lawsuit that will be filed before November 15th against the individuals and groups who abused the Federal Reserve Board system. This will lead to liens being placed against many of the largest financial institutions in the world, according to the filers. There will also be mass arrests.

    The other steps have yet to be disclosed. However, some basic truths are already known.

    First of all, all honest businessmen and bankers worldwide will have nothing to worry about.

    Second of all, the money created through derivatives fraud will be eliminated from the books, even if that means bankrupting many of the big Western financial institutions.

    Third, major historical financial injustices will be addressed and stolen monies and assets will be returned to their rightful owners. This will be good news for the vast majority of Western citizens as well as the inhabitants of long exploited regions like Africa.

    The international banking and payment settlements systems will remain in place after the reboot. This will mean the minimum possible disruption to legitimate business.

    However, as mentioned earlier, the international institutions set up and controlled by a small group of Western oligarchs after World War 2 will be totally revamped.


    ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT FULFORD QUOTE FROM OCTOBER 23RD

    Fulford's previous post from October 23rd was loaded with new information -- but one part really stood out the most, and obviously came in after he gave the above interview.

    Again, this data does not line up with what I'm hearing, in terms of the number of bases affected, but this seems to be due to how high the "need-to-know basis" is being kept on all of these things:

    The corporate media cartel is also falling apart. As mentioned earlier Rupert Murdoch’s Fox TV and other outlets have begun exposing information, such as the legal actions against attorney general Eric Holder, that other networks are withholding.

    Now it turns out the Sumner Redstone’s CBS network is interviewing a White Dragon Society member for an upcoming 60 minutes episode as part of an expose of the high-level fraud that has been taking place at the very tip-top of the global financial system (he will not be identified by the network as a White Dragon).

    The Pentagon is also continuing the process of making sure the elite cannot run and hide in any of their underground bases while the rest of humanity gets slaughtered.

    The big underground explosion near San Antonio Texas last week (reported by local press as an earthquake that made a “boom” sound) was a part of this process.

    The US is peppered with underground bases, but the two big ones in Virginia and Colorado have already been shut off to the elite.

    Another dozen have also been dealt with.

    The Pentagon has informed the elite that “if they go hide underground, then so will everybody else.” The last really big underground facility still under fascist control is in Norway.



    HAVE MASS ARRESTS ALREADY STARTED?


    One of the moderators sent me this comment, which came in on our previous entry. It's an intriguing place to end for now, until and unless I finish this out with more updates as we go.

    Author: Happystrings

    Comment:
    Hey Mods! Let David know this one.

    One of my patients just left my office. He works for MF Global. That’s a major player in the Commodities Markets. He told me the company went bankrupt this morning and that the feds were in his office all day.

    Agents from his company were looked off the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. He said that meant 40% of all the traders on the CME floor were bared from entering today and will probably be barred from doing so tomorrow.


    How long they are kept off the trading floor depends on what the Feds do and if they can find a buyer for their division.

    The bankruptcy occurred because their CEO or COO (or whatever) took the company’s debt ration from 6::1 to 40::1 by buying junk bonds, etc, especially from Europe.

    He will not be paid for at least 6 weeks while this is worked out. He was madder than a wet hen and said, “The Federal Reserve has to go.”

    I checked out the local financial news and it is not even in the newspapers yet. The crash seems to be beginning. Here we go!



    SIGNIFICANT NEW DREAM THIS SAME MORNING


    Before reading Fulford's latest post, or transcribing this interview, I had a significant new dream this morning that seems to support the idea that things could be changing fairly quickly. Here it is:

    - At the end there was a McDonald’s
    - It seemed to have radically changed its menu
    - Now you could order high-quality sushi – things like that

    - A middle-aged man came up to the cash register to make an order
    - He seemed to have broken down
    - He admitted he had worked for the Rothschilds at a high level
    - Now he no longer believed that what he had been doing was good
    - He was openly revealing secrets of the banking network to the people

    - The whole thing was pretty shocking
    - It was public and quite unexpected
    - People didn’t really know what to do – they were simply stunned



    THERE YOU HAVE IT


    I hope to interview Fulford soon and catch up with him. In the meantime I have other projects going on that require my attention, including finishing the article I'm already working on.

    These are exciting developments, to be sure -- and I look forward to the next step!


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    Quote it would appear that there is a hiring frenzy going on for just about every position you could think of that would be necessary to run an underground facility in Colorado -- including waste management.

    The job descriptions describe challenges for the employee, like the ability to live and work for long periods of time alone, without sunlight -- not to mention a security clearance.
    I wonder how this could be confirmed...
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    Quote Posted by nearing (here)
    Quote it would appear that there is a hiring frenzy going on for just about every position you could think of that would be necessary to run an underground facility in Colorado -- including waste management.

    The job descriptions describe challenges for the employee, like the ability to live and work for long periods of time alone, without sunlight -- not to mention a security clearance.
    I wonder how this could be confirmed...
    That should not be too hard ... most major newspapers are online (ie Denver) ...

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    Yes, but to know that is more than usual? Not sure.

    monster.com doesn't list any jobs in the Denver area that require one work without sunlight/shine when searching by keyword
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    "denver post help wanted ads sunlight security clearance" on yahoo search ...

    turned up:

    http://www.muninetguide.com/jobs/CO/...ecurity-guard/


    no idea

    I guess "proof" is a remarkably shifting morphing type of thang???

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    Default Re: DW next incarnation ... have at it

    OK, I'm "having at it"!
    Hopefully others are doing the same,especially Bill Ryan who has real access to insider info, so we can get to the bottom of this once and for all.

    This article from DW is mostly a rehashing of old material. He says he is working on a new and longer one that will provide links and presumably,, something more in the way of proof.
    To streamline this a bit, for those who are interested in knowing what is truth (if any) and what is fiction in this story, I have listed below references that DW has made in this particular article as to information sources.
    He alludes to numerous sources, both those held in common with Fulford, and other sources.
    So we are not just talking about a couple of sources, like the one CIA insider that Bill Ryan made reference to.

    I would like to know if Bill has any idea who these other sources might be.
    Bill, have you ever had a conversation with David about precisely who these other sources are and if so, do you feel qualified to speak as to their reliability?
    Would it be worth it to you to make some phone calls or other kinds of inquiries to make sure you are fully informed?
    Thanks for your input!


    Hopefully there will be much more to sift through once DW comes out with the article he is still working on.
    Meanwhile, we do have a little more to think about from this article.

    Here are the references DW made to his and Fulford's sources:

    Under the heading "Fukushima"
    Quote As this new interview reveals, Fulford had already openly predicted that such an attack against Japan could occur -- namely an earthquake that would then set off nuclear reactors. This is exactly what happened -- and it significantly added credibility to Fulford's testimony.
    OP: This does seem to be in Fulford's favor, unless it was common knowledge in the underground that this was in the works.

    This from the section headed "Underground Bases"
    Quote This is, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future, the only tangible "proof" we will have to back up what the insiders are telling us occurred below ground. However, if a mass announcement is made, as Fulford is indicating, this may all come out in the open.
    I have since spoken with personnel who have visited the damage firsthand. I have no significant reason to doubt what they are telling me, based on the impeccable credibility and trust that has been built up with these people over time.
    Under "Symbolic Importance"
    Quote Similarly, the facility under the ground in Colorado was massive, and had a great deal of supplies. I've now had multiple points of confirmation from every key insider I know that these bases were indeed wiped out on August 22nd and 23rd.
    Under "Fulford Confirms"
    Quote It also seemed hard to believe that such a massive strike could have occurred against Old World Order bases. Nonetheless, as time went on, various insiders I knew were briefed about what had happened -- and over a few weeks of time, the "big picture" came together.

    Fulford's own sources independently corroborated what I had heard. The stories are not exactly the same, as you will read in this interview, but there are many similarities between them -- and somewhere in there is likely to be the truth.
    Quote MASSIVE HIRING BINGE IN COLORADO

    I also had email come in from a woman in Colorado who is on an official, subscription-based job posting service. She was stunned, in the last week, to see a massive number of new job listings appear.
    I still have a huge body of data to sort through with this, but it would appear that there is a hiring frenzy going on for just about every position you could think of that would be necessary to run an underground facility in Colorado -- including waste management.
    The job descriptions describe challenges for the employee, like the ability to live and work for long periods of time alone, without sunlight -- not to mention a security clearance.
    This has become part of the "big picture" I now need to tie in. It is not direct "proof" or evidence of the destruction of an underground facility -- but the timing is extremely interesting in light of the information that is now surfacing from multiple sources.
    As tempting as the jobs sounded, our friend did not take the bait. The last thing she wants is to end up disappearing to wherever these people are going to on the other end of the portal -- though it is probably a harmless place.
    I do believe they will all be safely returned once this whole situation finally clears up for the good. Nonetheless, I was stunned at the sheer size and complexity of the list of suspicious new job postings that just appeared this past week in Colorado.
    OP: This info seems very suspect to me. If the bases have been disabled, blocked off, etc., why would they be hiring new personnel?

    Under "WE HAVE TO FINISH THE JOB OURSELVES"
    Quote According to Fulford and other sources, just days before the destruction of the first two underground facilities, 57 countries met in international waters, off the coast of Monaco, to discuss the rebooting of the world's financial system.
    Under "INTERESTING CONNECTIONS"
    Quote One of the main people responsible for this new international economic recovery plan, behind the scenes, has also been in contact with one of my own key insiders.
    I'd heard independent chatter about this plan for the last year and a half, and had no idea that this was the same thing Fulford had gotten involved in.
    I didn't even realize that Fulford and my source were talking about the same person and the same plan until I gave my source a detailed summary of what Fulford has been saying.
    Under "THINGS ARE GETTING REALLY EXCITING NOW"
    Quote My next large article is mostly complete, and will summarize the story up until now with links -- but this is a more involved research work.
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    It would be nice for a response from Bill Ryan, I would love to know how he resonates with Ben Fulford and David Wilcock on these Blog's (One Listed Below). I trust and value Bill's opinion immensely. Love to hear from you soon Bill. I Don't Mean To Put You On The Spot Bill, And I'm Truly Sorry If I Have. Again But We Would Love To Hear From You On This Touchy Subject.


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    Bill has made his position clear on Wilcock and Fulford several times recently ... once in part 2 of the DW underground base series and then in the latest thread on Fulford.

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    Correction ... it was the latest Hoagland thread:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ov-9th-onwards...
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    Yes, he did, but he really only mentioned knowing that a couple of their sources were unreliable.
    DW is claiming he has since had confirmation from numerous sources, and describes many of them as being very trusted and reliable sources.
    For example:
    Quote I have since spoken with personnel who have visited the damage firsthand. I have no significant reason to doubt what they are telling me, based on the impeccable credibility and trust that has been built up with these people over time.
    Quote I've now had multiple points of confirmation from every key insider I know that these bases were indeed wiped out on August 22nd and 23rd.
    Quote various insiders I knew were briefed about what had happened
    He describes his connection with Henry Deacon at rather great length and though he doesn't say that Deacon was a source of confirmation on this latest story, it seems to be implied.
    He does, however, say "every key insider I know" gave confirmation the bases were wiped out on 8/22 & 23.
    No doubt DW would not name Deacon directly as a recent source inasmuch as Deacon has apparently been warned to shut up by his controllers.
    We know that whistleblowers have to be very careful about how they say what they say, but that, if they are indirect enough, they can still safely divulge bits and pieces.
    But I would say that, judging from the way he has phrased the article, Deacon would have been one of the sources of confirmation.

    In any case, my questions don't really have to do with Fulford, but with DW, not all of whose sources are the same as Fulford's.
    Frankly, I wouldn't be paying attention to Fulford's stories at all if DW wasn't verifying some of that info due to confirmation from his own sources.
    If ALL of DW's sources are giving him disinfo, that would be pretty shocking, because he has made a lot of good connections over the years, many of them the same as Bill Ryan's, one would suppose, given DW's long history with PC, and his own claims to that effect.

    Quote Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
    Bill has made his position clear on Wilcock and Fulford several times recently ... once in part 2 of the DW underground base series and then in the latest thread on Fulford.

    ***

    Correction ... it was the latest Hoagland thread:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ov-9th-onwards...
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    Here are Bill's comments that mention the sources of info he considers suspect from that thread Calz mentioned:
    Quote Ben states that his sources include 'the CIA'. But Kerry and I know one of these 'CIA sources'. We met him, he has distant CIA connections, he has a degree of brain damage (with some memory loss) after a serious accident, and while he is a good man we found that his claims were not reliable: Jim Humble also knows him, and we learned from Jim that the accident he experienced was actually very different (different circumstances, different country) from the one he told us about.

    We know this is the same man. He asked us to put him in touch with Ben, and we made the introduction.

    Another source of Ben's is from 'The Vatican'. This is Leo Zagami. There was an embarrassing radio show a couple of years ago with Jeff Rense (either 1 September or 23 September 2009, I believe) in which Ben came on the air seeming to say that he had been in personal dialog with the Black Pope.

    Rense did a commendable job of radio journalism and pressed him continually for clarification. Eventually, Fulford admitted that he had merely received a visit from Leo Zagami. Rense sighed audibly in response. You could almost hear his audience cringing, all over the world, on live radio. It was an interesting moment.

    This was an important on-air instance of how Fulford had hyped his 'source' to deliberately give a false and exaggerated impression -- but Rense, after repeated questioning, caught him out.

    Another of Fulford's claimed sources is the 'British Royal Family'. I know nothing about this, but it's reasonable to suspect that this may be a low-level person such as an administrator, a driver, or even a cook (there are many hundreds of them working in what is quite a large support organization). These people sometimes hear things. But it's equally likely that he is being fed with deliberate misinformation (100% untrue) or disinformation (partly untrue), knowing exactly what he will do with what he is told.
    So we see from this that that DW's sources are not necessarily all the same as Fulford's, and Bill's assessment doesn't at all cover the numerous sources that DW is claiming have given him confirmation, not to mention that fact that DW said
    Quote "every key insider I know" gave confirmation the bases were wiped out on 8/22 & 23.


    This leaves a lot of territory that still needs to be explored, IMHO.
    Would anyone else like to hear from Bill on this?
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    Thanks for all this Calz.

    What I see while reading this is that the general outline is very credible. We have a corrupt worldwide banking system which enslaves the majority while lining the pockets of the few. No-one on this forum, I hope, can deny that, nor can they hopefully deny that we need to change it. The question only remains - how ?

    So many people come up with glib little statements like "we have the power", "it's up to us" etc etc etc. But how do they suppose that we, the ordinary people can actually effect such a massive change ? Do we all pop down to the village hall and have a meeting ? Do we simply have to go out and vote for a different politician ? Obviously not. We've been disempowered over millenia, and while it's true that we are now waking up to our true power, we would do well to remember that, in this reality, we're still the pawns. So systemic change has to be brought about by those who are in a position to do so.

    Reading the posts on Avalon, it can be seen that there are an awful lot of people who are concerned about what's going to happen to their savings, to their investments. If Avalonians are concerned, then think about the average person who remains blissfully unaware of what's going on. How will they react to the news that the world economy is about to collapse ? How would you, reading this, react if tomorrow all your precious dollars were suddenly worthless ? This is one more reason why the transition has to be brought about by those who are capable of doing the job, so as to have as little harmful impact on the majority.

    I'm not interested in personalities, egos, so I'm not going to take sides in a "Fulford-says-this-but-Bill Ryan-says-that" argument, all I know is that the scenario (the details are not so important at the moment) outlined by Wilcock/Fulford is not only highly plausible, it's also workable.

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    I am prepared to check things out to a degree, but if you believe fulfordnugget, then I have a bridge to sell you.
    Google cointelpro to see why I say that.

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    Is this what you are referring to?
    http://www.disclose.tv/forum/japan-n...se-t49329.html

    It's not Fulford's veracity re these stories that I'm concerned with, it's the reports from David Wilcock which he claims are from numerous other sources besides Fulford.
    In any case, DW's reports contradict Fulford's on at least one very important point, as in when he early on stated his sources said that nuclear weapons were not used in the DUMBs, but some kind of air pressure device.
    I am perfectly willing to discount Fulford's info, but DW claims to have received so much more info from so many other sources; "every insider he knows", he states, verified that the DUMBs were cleared out on 9/22 & 23 and what those other sources have said, and who they might be, is what I am interested in.
    Given the number of insiders that DW must know, surely this bears some looking into, and should not be neglected just because of the discrediting connection with Fulford.



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    Google cointelpro to see why I say that.

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Is this what you are referring to?
    http://www.disclose.tv/forum/japan-n...se-t49329.html

    It's not Fulford's veracity re these stories that I'm concerned with, it's the reports from David Wilcock which he claims are from numerous other sources besides Fulford.
    In any case, DW's reports contradict Fulford's on at least one very important point, as in when he early on stated his sources said that nuclear weapons were not used in the DUMBs, but some kind of air pressure device.
    I am perfectly willing to discount Fulford's info, but DW claims to have received so much more info from so many other sources; "every insider he knows", he states, verified that the DUMBs were cleared out on 9/22 & 23 and what those other sources have said, and who they might be, is what I am interested in.
    Given the number of insiders that DW must know, surely this bears some looking into, and should not be neglected just because of the discrediting connection with Fulford.



    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    I am prepared to check things out to a degree, but if you believe fulfordnugget, then I have a bridge to sell you.
    Google cointelpro to see why I say that.
    Excellent link, thanks for that.
    As for Len Horowitz, I like the guy.
    I have seen a bit of his stuff and he is genuine, in my opinion.
    Just remember that Wilcock is doing nothing other than repeating what people tell him, so it is hearsay.
    If you wanna torpedo someone like him easily, just tell him crap and get him to repeat it.
    Then, down the track, burn his source, then he looks like a nugget.
    This isn't complex stuff, but very effective.
    The best trick is to give out truly accurate info and then burn the source.

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    I like Horowitz too.
    Anyone who speaks out about the dangers of vaccines, particularly a doctor, is on the right track, and has courage.

    A lot of whistleblower info is hearsay, but that's the nature of the game, and a dangerous game it is.
    People are afraid to be quoted, so they don't allow themselves to be named and don't go public, but will let someone else divulge for them.
    DW probably won't be able to name his sources, but if someone who has access to the same sources can confirm the info, then it becomes more credible.
    The fact that DW says he has so many sources may make it less likely that anyone will get burned.
    And we'll all be a little bit closer to knowing the truth!
    And if it is true, then most likely, the dark hats are going to be too busy scrambling to get out of the spotlight, trying to save their own skins.
    All speculation, of course, but that's in the nature of the game, too.
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    Here are some of the reasons I beleive what David is saying is accurate

    1. There is an ENOURMOUS amount of data (both that David talks about and that I have found that David doesn't even seem to have time to write about) to support what David is saying compared to all other whistleblower testimony, and there has been on a consitent (ever increasing) basis since 2009 when he wrote his originial "Disclosure Endgame" article.

    2. David is a VERY strong and talented psychic. He predicted (among many many other things) The death of RFK Jr live on the radio hours before it was announced, 9/11, Michael Jacksons death, Princess Dianas death, Heavens gate suicide, 2000 bush/gore debacal, a terrorist attack involving a nuclear bomb in New York City which led to his phone being tapped by the FBI for YEARS after he told them about it (the exact day he thought it would happen was the day of the Monica Lewinski scandal), Fukushima (which he posted online before it happened) etc etc etc. He also gave hundreds of amazing psychic readings for years among many other things.

    3. All of the other known disinfo assets on the internet and the mainstream are all saying the EXACT opposite, and he reguarly gets "paid bloggers" writing the same obvious slander (and it is obvious) from the same IP adressess on his comments, youtube, email etc.

    4. The idea that Fulford is being fed total disinformation, has never been validated, and should just be disregarded as not relevent is TOTALLY rediculous. It is true that he is fed some degree of disinformation, it is also true that he is fed dates that don't happen to destroy his credibility and so that people will attack him. Most people in the alternative community DO NOT take Fulford seriously. Here is a a quote from what I wrote about this in another thread in response to Bills comment

    Quote Just putting this out there, Fulford has said he has had at least six attempts on his life. Including being poisoned when he went to the vatican (where he said he was shown free energy technology) and getting very sick. He has also said the people he is working with in the white dragon society HAVE been killed and/or attempted to be killed. He has also said that they have tried to completely slander his whole reputation by telling everyone that he is associating with that he is a crazy drug addict and not to be trusted. They have also tried (and succeded, in the United States and elsewhere in the western world) in banning many of his books, as well as many other things.

    When I hear something along the lines of "if he was telling the truth he would be in the tokyo bay river right now"

    I think of Bill Ryan, Richard Dolan, Bob Dean, Ralph Ring etc etc etc


    Also, David has mentioned that he too has met someone that Ben is in contact with, and seemed to think they were legitimate. I have no doubt that Bill met one of his CIA witnessess, and he may have had brain damage (making him less supportive of the old military industrial complex and more willing to help others) but the question then comes to mind, what about all his OTHER CIA, NSA, MI6, Pentagon, Illuminati, Rothschild, etc etc etc witnessess?

    He says hes in contact with Vincent Davignon the head of the Bildeberg Group, does he have brain damage?

    Ben has also stated that he has personally heard audio of people like george bush senior, seen all kinds of documents, and that he has several incriminating documents, pictures etc to be released upon his death. Why exactly would they show him all of that, take all of that risk, just so he can write an obscure blog every week that most people don't actually take seriously anyway?

    You think if this is what they wanted people to believe than the known popular disinfo assets (both knowing and unkowning) would be talking about it, instead of the exact opposite (fear porn). You would think they would do more to give him credibility too.

    Also, I have heard Ben predict several things such as the election of prime minister Nato Kan in Japan ( which he stated as fact before it ever happened), the 2008 economic crash, fukushima etc. Many of the things he has said can be verified to be true.

    I am constantly seeing obscure data points line up with what Ben is saying. For example (just one that comes to mind), Ben has been saying that Rupurt Murdoch is ready to jump ship and change sides (presumably to save himself) and actually start reporting truth, and that the phone hacking scandal was created by the old world order to stop him.

    Did you notice who actually called for an investigation in the phone hacking scandal?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...ing-reaches-us
    5. David sources do seem to be credible. He is in contact with about 15 people including Deacon and Peterson, (although he has said that this has significantly jumped since being on Ancient Aliens) including people that helped him "peer review" his new book full of classified science that any insider, including disinformants, would not want out. As well a lawyer in Washington DC who offered to get a forward and endorsments of his book from "former presidents".



    As well as much more.
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    Quote Posted by derek (here)
    Here are some of the reasons I beleive what David is saying is accurate

    -- snip --

    2. David is a VERY strong and talented psychic. He predicted (among many many other things) The death of RFK Jr live on the radio hours before it was announced...
    That was 5 June, 1968. David was born on 8 March, 1973.

    Quote Posted by derek (here)
    ...Michael Jacksons death, Princess Dianas death, Heavens gate sucide, 2000 bush/gore debacal, a terroist attack involivng a nuclear bomb in New York City which led to his phone being tapped by the FBI for YEARS after he told them about it (the exact day he thought it would happen was the day of the Monica Lewinski scandal), Fukushima (which he posted online before it happened) etc etc etc.
    Can you provide the references? Many thanks.

    David certainly has psychic ability, as do many others (self included). So I'm not at all skeptical about that. But you're making some quite strong claims here on his behalf -- at least one of which can't be correct.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by derek (here)
    Here are some of the reasons I beleive what David is saying is accurate

    -- snip --

    2. David is a VERY strong and talented psychic. He predicted (among many many other things) The death of RFK Jr live on the radio hours before it was announced...
    That was 5 June, 1968. David was born on 8 March, 1973.

    Quote Posted by derek (here)
    ...Michael Jacksons death, Princess Dianas death, Heavens gate sucide, 2000 bush/gore debacal, a terroist attack involivng a nuclear bomb in New York City which led to his phone being tapped by the FBI for YEARS after he told them about it (the exact day he thought it would happen was the day of the Monica Lewinski scandal), Fukushima (which he posted online before it happened) etc etc etc.
    Can you provide the references? Many thanks.

    David certainly has psychic ability, as do many others (self included). So I'm not at all skeptical about that. But you're making some quite strong claims here on his behalf -- at least one of which can't be correct.
    Sorry it was actually JFK Jr He announced this prophecy on the "Laura Lee" show

    http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-he...eath-of-jfk-jr

    You can find some of those prophecies I mentioned here

    http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-he...s-in-text-form

    I heard him mention the Clinton/nuclear debacal one more than one radio show, he mentions it here

    http://divinecosmos.com/component/content/37?task=view

    Fukushima is here

    http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/d...1-bouncingback

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    Bill

    As you know DW relies heavily on his dreams.

    Let's set aside "sources" for a bit and since we are now talking about psychic ability can you not address this???

    No ... of course ... dreams are not in the "provable" realm.

    Neither is Carol ... correct??? Has she not opened your mind to "possibilities"???

    No jab at all ... you say you are psychic as well ... DW has been documenting his dreams for many many years and I cannot help but believe that is more of a backdrop for his "beliefs" than sources. No doubt he places more belief in sources that have information to confirm his core belief.

    Cal

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