Hoaglands take on YU55 Nov 9th onwards...

[onawah]

Thanks math330. That's all I needed to know. So many other, more important things to think about than another "no threat" asteroid!

For anyone who may have missed it, there is a new thread that Calz started regarding the latest article from David Wilcock re Fulford's latest and so on at:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ock-.../page10

Posted by math330 (here)

Posted by eric charles (here)
I accidently closed my web browser and lost all the NASA JPL web pages LOL , not surprising with me so just bear and go check it out

Here, let me help you.
"Although classified as a potentially hazardous object, 2005 YU55 poses no threat of an Earth collision over at least the next 100 years. However, this will be the closest approach to date by an object this large that we know about in advance and an event of this type will not happen again until 2028 when asteroid (153814) 2001 WN5 will pass to within 0.6 lunar distances. "

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news171.html

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by the trojan (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
Trojan wrote

The arrogance involved in making this statement that these incarnated et are on your forum looking for info is laughable.

Personally, I wouldn't call that "adult conversation". I would call it name calling, baiting and insulting.

ok onawah ,As I said it depends on interpretation,you have suggested another way of stating what i typed.

There is a difference between using words to nurture shared understanding, and twisting words to insult in one breath, and deny you're doing so in the next breath.

We are seeking on this forum to grow our shared understanding. Abusive and abuse of rhetoric is counter-productive to that end.

May I recommend, the trojan, that you cease this digression, before you explore some of the "loopholes" (guidelines and their enforcement) of this forum?

[Truthseeker512]

Hoaxland speaks....

I wont be paying any attention to this body traveling through space either.
He makes my job easier sieving through the disinfo

An experience I shall share...

I was banned from hoaxlands fb page not long ago simply for posting my latest Bosnian Pyramid videos. He laughed at the mere suggestion of pyramids in Bosnia, took a really derogatory manor towards me as if i was a random fool forwarding a youtube vid and blocked me. Not for being offensive or disruptive, but because I was able to give cold, hard facts from first hand experience relating to the discoveries in Bosnia. Other ppl on his page were interested and asked questions, supported the info, gave thanks etc. I was not spamming or anything like that. Simply posting my vids once in a while. He didnt even enter into a mature debate or ask questions. Finally, he gave me one last egotistical sarcastic comment and blocked me.
Little did he know im a collaborator with SBRG, an academic research group or that Ive been working on-site closely with Dr Semir and lead archaeologist Dr Sara Acconci (who is also a good friend of mine), being involved with the excavations, energy research etc

This for me is all the proof I needed that he is a disinfo agent (tho there is plenty more, how about his support for Obama and how he would save the space programme for another?). Anyone who is asked to do a 2012 TV series about pyramids etc should be well up on the science being collected in Bosnia if they are genuinely passionate about discovering the secrets of pyramids, or at the very least, open to it. He clearly is not. He is merely jumping on a 2012 cashcow and has no interest in promoting an actual scientific discovery that CAN change the future of mankind. No, he is much more interested in filling ppls heads with BS, misdirecting good minds and wasting their time.


My advice for what its worth, dont believe a word that comes out of that mans mouth. He is not a genuine person on a mission for truth. He has an agenda and it involves $$$ signs.


Maybe one day when the pyramids are more widely known and there is some money to be had he will find a way of linking his magic number 19.47 in with their designs, but for now, its his duty to make sure noone hears about them.

[onawah]

I am beginning to wonder if Mr. Hoagland is suffering from beginning stages of dementia.

[KosmicKat]

Posted by eric charles (here)
this one for real is going to pass at 0.00022 AU from earth

Please don't panic. 0.00022 AU = more than 20,000 miles. Even in astronomical terms, that's plenty of room to miss us.

[sygh]

Posted by nearing (here)
I am with onawah in being skeptical about this 'rule of non-interference'. I have heard of the rule or law talked about as fact in many circles but have never heard of how it came to be: who made this rule, what happens if it's broken, etc.

We humans interfere every moment in the lives of other species. Why should it be any different with off planet species and us?

And we have examples of being very much interfered with! Didn't the Annunaki genetically manipulate in order to create homo sapiens? Doesn't look like they got punished. Indeed, they rule the planet.

Would it be too surprising, or shocking if I said, in part, they are us and we are them? Would it be unreasonable to say... there is more than just a distinct possibility we entered into earthly material, first as visitors, then into the inorganic, then the organic? And that entering into the material world, most especially the organic (that being "living matter") is actually the real meaning of going beyond the terms of "non-interference"?

As for the volunteers, they too risk getting stuck in the material because being human requires being born. Admittedly, there are some shortcuts, and there actually are some incarnates who would gladly take your place, or share a flat, if you let them.

The veil has been ripping for a few decades now. The real secrets have come out. Psychological secrets/Spiritual secrets. The akashic records. The secrets of our origin -and the secrets of that which we refer to as God as wisdom, as knowledge, as first and foremost -love.

Isn't it interesting though that a movie like the matrix was actually allowed to be released? Too bad about the pill part, and having to plug in, or that God was a computer interfaced with a man (sound familiar?).

Ben is not telling the whole story.

Who will actually claim to be responsible for bringing down the NWO?

[WhiteFeather]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The ETs (and other benevolent beings out there - and there are certainly many) -- cannot intervene overtly. This would break every rule and protocol. But there's a great deal they can do to support covertly, and I have certainty that they do.

This battle is ours to fight, and this is a foundation-stone of the process. We humans have to take care of Planet Earth on our own. And many are watching. It's the greatest show in this sector of the galaxy.

To assist us, many ETs (and other beings) are incarnating as humans --- and this doesn't violate any protocols at all. Some of them are new arrivals, while others have been here as long as a few thousand years. It's a kind of loophole in which the requirement/agreement that humans sort this out themselves isn't breached.

So this ads credence as to what Dolores Cannon states in her interview in The Convoluted Universe. Many starseeded souls/alien souls if you will,,, have incarnated here in a human body to assist/raise frequency's/learn/teach others here on Planet Earth as to not break the rules of intervention on an evolving civilization. I found this link of great insight. Thanks Again Bill.

Starseeds

[ROMANWKT]

I'm sorry WhiteFeather,

You have missed the point, the questions was who's rules and who's protocols, and where is it , who, where, what??

regards to you
roman

[Tony]

Everyone knows it was the mice!......or was it the cat in the old man's shed?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cPWnitDyIOw

[Bill Ryan]

proof

To anyone who would like proof of anything I present or suggest here: that's not possible.

I can't even prove to you that I exist. (Unless you were to meet me -- and even then I may be an illusion! )

This is the problem. I and many others (including quite a number of forum members) have had a wide range of unusual and highly significant experiences, both subjective and objective.

I saw an ET appear physically in my bedroom, back in 1984. Can I prove that? No. Even if I'd had the presence of mind to take a photo (rather than being frozen to the spot!) many would not have accepted even that as proof.

For four years, between 1991-1995, I was living with my girlfriend at the time, an exceptionally sensitive, aesthetic and intelligent person, tall, slim and beautiful, who two lifetimes ago had arrived from the Pleiades. (In other words, this was her second lifetime as a human on Earth.)

Can I prove that? No. Neither could she, if she'd ever felt the need to, to anyone who doubted her. But I spent many, many hours with her talking with her about it -- sometimes comforting her while tears streamed down her face -- and she had had even more hours of regression, bolstered with spontaneous, vivid memories. I was left in no doubt that this was real.

See my Freedom Central interview for my experiences with my girlfriend Angi, who was with me when the ET appeared. She, too, was not fully human. It would take thousands of words on many pages for me to tell that entire, complex story. There was no doubt about that, either.

And I have an inbox of many, many hundreds of long messages from readers and viewers who tell similar, deeply moving and intelligent stories.

For anyone who demands proof of anything I present, you may be in the wrong forum. Of course, everything stated is an opinion. Sometimes, in my opinion, something is a fact.

[jcocks]

You seem to draw those "not fully human" types towards you, don't you bill?

[derek]

Just putting this out there, Fulford has said he has had at least six attempts on his life. Including being poisoned when he went to the vatican (where he said he was shown free energy technology) and getting very sick. He has also said the people he is working with in the white dragon society HAVE been killed and/or attempted to be killed. He has also said that they have tried to completely slander his whole reputation by telling everyone that he is associating with that he is a crazy drug addict and not to be trusted. They have also tried (and succeded, in the United States and elsewhere in the western world) in banning many of his books, as well as many other things.

When I hear something along the lines of "if he was telling the truth he would be in the tokyo bay river right now"

I think of Bill Ryan, Richard Dolan, Bob Dean, Ralph Ring etc etc etc


Also, David has mentioned that he too has met someone that Ben is in contact with, and seemed to think they were legitimate. I have no doubt that Bill met one of his CIA witnessess, and he may have had brain damage (making him less supportive of the old military industrial complex and more willing to help others) but the question then comes to mind, what about all his OTHER CIA, NSA, MI6, Pentagon, Illuminati, Rothschild, etc etc etc witnessess?

He says hes in contact with Vincent Davignon the head of the Bildeberg Group, does he have brain damage?

Ben has also stated that he has personally heard audio of people like george bush senior, seen all kinds of documents, and that he has several incriminating documents, pictures etc to be released upon his death. Why exactly would they show him all of that, take all of that risk, just so he can write an obscure blog every week that most people don't actually take seriously anyway?

You think if this is what they wanted people to believe than the known popular disinfo assets (both knowing and unkowning) would be talking about it, instead of the exact opposite (fear porn). You would think they would do more to give him credibility too.


Also, there is ALOT of evidence to back up these claims compared to the standard whistleblower testimony (which is valuable and credible but rarely provides much evidence). Davids Chinas October Surprise articles document alot of that, as well as his most recent articles, and everything he has been writing since his original "Disclosure Endgame" article.

[Cartomancer]

Viking, I trust people like you more than Hoagland. There is something about this dude that I don't like and I can't quite put my finger on it. Some of the things he promotes make sense but I guess I always suspect everyone. This man seems to be part of a group of people that dominate the "strange" on the internet and TV. You've seen the seamy underside of this genre what do you think? Are there people out there in the alternative community that are owned and trying to impact what you believe about UFO's and other strange phenomena? As a funny aside check out the Red Ice Radio interview of Hoagland on their new "space wars" movie. The interview takes place in a bar and he seems a little tipsy. He makes sense thought its just funny to see this guy slightly looped instead of the serious nature he usually projects.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
Viking, I trust people like you more than Hoagland. There is something about this dude that I don't like and I can't quite put my finger on it. Some of the things he promotes make sense but I guess I always suspect everyone. This man seems to be part of a group of people that dominate the "strange" on the internet and TV. You've seen the seamy underside of this genre what do you think? Are there people out there in the alternative community that are owned and trying to impact what you believe about UFO's and other strange phenomena? As a funny aside check out the Red Ice Radio interview of Hoagland on their new "space wars" movie. The interview takes place in a bar and he seems a little tipsy. He makes sense thought its just funny to see this guy slightly looped instead of the serious nature he usually projects.

Richard Hoagland "used" to work for NASA...

Richard says that NASA has a drip, drip, drip approach to releasing information...

Perhaps Richard is the leaky faucet?

[derek]

Also, I have heard Ben predict several things such as the election of prime minister Nato Kan in Japan ( which he stated as fact before it ever happened), the 2008 economic crash, fukushima etc. Many of the things he has said can be verified to be true.

I am constantly seeing obscure data points line up with what Ben is saying. For example (just one that comes to mind), Ben has been saying that Rupurt Murdoch is ready to jump ship and change sides (presumably to save himself) and actually start reporting truth, and that the phone hacking scandal was created by the old world order to stop him.

Did you notice who actually called for an investigation in the phone hacking scandal?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...rporation.html

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by jcocks (here)
You seem to draw those "not fully human" types towards you, don't you bill?

Yes! And I'm not the only one.

[Bill Ryan]

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David Wilcock's sources include one person who I know for a fact has tried to provide Camelot with false information (and who told Kerry and myself, almost exactly two years ago at the end of 2009, that he was playing both sides). David glosses over this. It is a persisting bone of contention between us.

His sources also include Henry Deacon (real name Arthur Neumann), who on stage in the recent 2011 Awake and Aware conference stated that he had no evidence that HAARP caused earthquakes. (This is my paraphrase. Listen to the recording: it was at the start of the speakers' panel on the Saturday night.)

I called him on it, pointing out that I had from him in writing, soon after the 2008 Sechuan earthquake, a statement clearly saying precisely the opposite. ("An all-round handy-dandy tool", Henry had written, referring to HAARP. This was in response to a YouTube statement by Ben Fulford about HAARP, explaining that Fulford was broadly correct but had to some degree misunderstood how the earthquake-inducing technology worked. Henry, ever the detail-oriented engineer, had wanted to point out Fulford's error.)

When I challenged him on-stage, Henry was flustered -- and said that he could not remember having sent me that 2008 message. The panel discussion moved on.

David's source that I first mentioned above, also present at the conference, the next day accused me of "attacking" Henry (this was in a highly charged, eyeball-to-eyeball private conversation). There was a stand-off. His attitude was aggressive. I held my ground. Kerry took his position. The issue was not resolved.

Not all is plain sailing in the world of witness reliability, especially once they have been under various forms of potential influence.

[nomadguy]

19 hours 28 mins,

I am not a mathematician, however I thought it was fairly easy to see a few holes in numerical crossover's Hoagland had presented.
I agree the statistics look to be slightly convoluted. The whole business of theorizing on numbers that are rounded is not useful in my opinion.
This is a lot like what happened within the Climate scandal, ~soft numbers.

Also, I think a lot is lost in the language barriers we all have,
Style, delivery, and description are all very relative to how someone relates and attempts to deliver their information with as much effectiveness as possible. Or to gain maximum attraction. I notice this in particular to anyone whom has a book or a DVD to sell. I don't think it is at all possible for me personally, to not want to sell myself or my product in this type of situation. With that being said, I am gong to try to examine what each presenter's information has to see how much could be gained from analysis.

Personally I have a big problem with the effect that being in the spot light has on one's presentation.
Especially after going on tour, lets say and being cheered at and all that. Much is lost in the cheering and revelry. No offense to anyone, I can only imagine what I myself might be like in any of these presenters shoes. gnaaayay stage fright sheesh, especially with such odd topics.
Then, when you become salted from doing this and gained experience you have this showmanship. The showmanship I feel gets in the way of constructive thinking.

19 hours 28 mins

there does appear to be some strangeness to the elenin numerical values.
For example,

19 hours 28 mins = 1168 mins

1168 mins = 70080 seconds

70080 / 365 (or 1 Earth year) = 192

hmmm
I suppose my numbers are likely more convoluted.

The works of smart folks like, Nassim Haramein, David Wilcock and Richard Hoagland perhaps show us, a big picture, even if it is not perfect. Or maybe it has flaws or areas of obscurity. The fractal nature of the universe appears to be an undeniable factoid. It persists and persists through out all realms, spiritual to scientific. It is like we all keep stumbling over the truth and no matter how many times we get it wrong the truth is really presenting itself directly to us and this leaves an imprint. We're going to get it. Sooner than later ~I hope.

From what I have seen so far in this type of research is that the fabric of the universe is fractal and that this same fractal fabric is indeed intelligent and may be the root of our intelligence.

I am ever hopeful that more witful people will be able to look at this phenomena and be able to discover something that is both relevant and credible.

Carry on,
Cheers
C...


What I base as the "research" for this comment,
Nassim Haramein, David Wilcock, Dan Winter, Arthur M Young, Benoit Mandelbrot

[derek]

Some of his sources may questionable, Henry may have been absent minded. I wouldn't actually say that disregards the whole thing. Kerry had Heather and Deane, Bill had Serpo and Charles, that doesn't mean that nothing project camelot says is true.

I would say as far as your comment on Davids austrailian source that I'm SURE David has a very good response to all that, and would love to hear it.

Also, even if it is true that he is "playing both sides" it's possible he is just trying to control the flow of information or something similar, That doesn't actually mean that this whole scenario David is writing about is totally untrue IMO, and it doesn't mean he doesn't have many other sources saying the same thing.

[ROMANWKT]

H Bill

Like I had said before , I had read and watched everything that you and others had written, I have been trying very hard to get rid of dis-info in my life, and had written a few words about it here hoping it helps others to question everything, just as I have done here in this post, its just a question, and now I have the answer, which is an unwritten law or understanding beyond me, that's no problem I can deal with that once I know where people are coming from, I am not with all sincerity questioning your integrity, for If that was the case I would not be here anyway. Thank you for your answer, now its understood, even I cant substantiate about what I write, only with a bit of logic and intuition. All I have experience off is going to sleep and waking up, period.

My warmest Regards to you
roman