The case for Christ

[RedeZra]

sense the intelligence in nature

see how perfect everything is


who's intelligence is it ?


who is working day and night to uphold it all


we can call it Tao or God

it doesn't matter


but since it is intelligent it is not impersonal

so God or Tao is Being


not cold and emotional but calm and loving


The Being

in whom everything ceases and from whom everything arises


The Being is not only energy force or love but The Whole Being


don't depersonalise God ; )

[Fundy Gemini]

Thank you Xenos ♥

[Xenos]

If you have other question Fundy Gemini, i'll try to answer with the greatest honesty and my limited english lol

RedeZra, can you explain to how we can depersonalize "God" ? Are you a confessional person ? Muslim for exple ?

[shamanseeker]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
sense the intelligence in nature

see how perfect everything is


who's intelligence is it ?


who is working day and night to uphold it all


we can call it Tao or God

it doesn't matter


but since it is intelligent it is not impersonal

so God or Tao is Being


not cold and emotional but calm and loving


The Being

in whom everything ceases and from whom everything arises


The Being is not only energy force or love but The Whole Being


don't depersonalise God ; )

Hi RedeZra,

During the Golden Age, animals and humans lived in perfect harmony: they did not prey on one another; they did not eat each other's flesh in order to gain the energy they needed to survive.

Then, the same beings who brought the religions to the earth to control us set up the matrix and everything changed. The cruel, so-called laws of nature became the 'norm' and the distance between God (which I would call love) and us became enormous.

God is love and love is God. It is as simple as that. There is no doctrine, no dogma: that is all illusion.

Soon, another Golden Age is coming and the lion will lie down with the lamb again and nature will become love once more.

Best wishes

[RedeZra]

Posted by Xenos (here)
RedeZra, can you explain to how we can depersonalize "God" ?

when we view God as energy love source or whatever then we limit and depersonalise God according to our own misunderstandings

God is Aware ; )

[RedeZra]

Posted by shamanseeker (here)
God is love and love is God. It is as simple as that. There is no doctrine, no dogma: that is all illusion.

true God is love too


the Golden age will not come before the uprooting of evil

[Xenos]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Xenos (here)
RedeZra, can you explain to how we can depersonalize "God" ?

when we view God as energy love source or whatever then we limit and depersonalise God according to our own misunderstandings

God is Aware ; )

So... as i understand... it is a personalization of "God" which is the problem right now ? Saying that "God" is aware, it is not the same that saying that "God" is love ? Awareness and love aren't part, or some faces of what is "God" ?

I don't understand how we can depersonalize "the One"... everything IS The Source... so... it is much a religious point of view "of sacred stuff" which doesn't exist. As Buddha said, "nothing is sacred because everything it is". Religious people compartmentalizes "God"... "this is good", "this is wrong, bad ! Bad boy !"

[RedeZra]

Posted by Xenos (here)
So... as i understand... it is a personalization of "God" which is the problem right now ? Saying that "God" is aware, it is not the same that saying that "God" is love ?

love is a facet and an expression of being aware

[Xenos]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Xenos (here)
So... as i understand... it is a personalization of "God" which is the problem right now ? Saying that "God" is aware, it is not the same that saying that "God" is love ?

love is a facet and an expression of being aware

Love could be blind too as the proverb says

To love isn't to be aware... doesn't fit in the real world.

What do you think ?

[shamanseeker]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Xenos (here)
RedeZra, can you explain to how we can depersonalize "God" ?

when we view God as energy love source or whatever then we limit and depersonalise God according to our own misunderstandings

God is Aware ; )

Hi RedeZra,

I didn't say that God was not aware. Just because I say God is Love does not mean God is unaware.

I think we would all (including myself) do well to 'think' more with the heart and less with the mind.

Best wishes

[RedeZra]

Posted by Xenos (here)


To love isn't to be aware... doesn't fit in the real world.

our world is just a shadow of the real world ; )

[another bob]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
our world is just a shadow of the real world ; )

Greetings, Friend!

After some investigation, it appears that nobody has quite the same experience of this so-called "our world", much less anything even remotely approaching the "real world". The reason for this seems to be that (even in low-level psycho-physical realms this dense) experience itself is as endless as thought, and can be viewed moreover from any number of angles. How else to account for so many eyes, if not for the mere fact that there's simply so much to see?
Within the totality of the universal functioning, consciousness assumes a particular form to precisely fit each experience, and thus a unique viewer appears in order to experience the scene. However, as fades the scene, so too the viewer. The viewer was a only temporary expediency created by consciousness to experience itself in just that way, whatever it happened to be.
The only "problem" comes when we mistakenly assume that the temporary viewer is our actual identity, and the scene our "real" location. This case of mistaken identity is also called attachment, and is there at the root of our chronic dissatisfaction and restless head-banging. We believe ourselves to be implicated somehow by experience, and this belief spins itself into an increasingly tangled mess, until it seems that we're disturbed in one way or another just about all the time.
We've tied our fate to that of a fictional character, a creation, and so wring our hands at what may befall if the pole were to shift or mean aliens arrive, and so some pray to this or that Savior to intervene and get us out of the shadow world and into the light.

There is no greater mystery than this -
that being the Reality ourselves,
we seek to gain Reality.

We think that there is something binding
our reality and that it must be destroyed
before the reality is gained.

It is ridiculous!

A day will dawn when you will yourself
laugh at your effort.

That which is on the day of laughter
is also now.

~Ramana Maharshi


Blessings!

[Xenos]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Xenos (here)


To love isn't to be aware... doesn't fit in the real world.

our world is just a shadow of the real world ; )

I'm not "humano centric" RedeZra This world is not my border.

Just have love and we'll see how you can manage with beings, nasty ones Jacques Vallée and an other "ufolog" (don't remember, Cynthia Luce ?) show up that they can putt off your love... and yes, they can... they can destroy you in your inside... and control... so you have to know who you are. Truly, because when you are in the story... times are pretty hard.

So, theory are nice, but in the arena... you dance in a different way. If you try you'll understand... if you survive. No joke here.

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
our world is just a shadow of the real world ; )

Greetings, Friend!

After some investigation, it appears that nobody has quite the same experience of this so-called "our world", much less anything even remotely approaching the "real world". The reason for this seems to be that (even in low-level psycho-physical realms this dense) experience itself is as endless as thought, and can be viewed moreover from any number of angles. How else to account for so many eyes, if not for the mere fact that there's simply so much to see?
Within the totality of the universal functioning, consciousness assumes a particular form to precisely fit each experience, and thus a unique viewer appears in order to experience the scene. However, as fades the scene, so too the viewer. The viewer was a only temporary expediency created by consciousness to experience itself in just that way, whatever it happened to be.
The only "problem" comes when we mistakenly assume that the temporary viewer is our actual identity, and the scene our "real" location. This case of mistaken identity is also called attachment, and is there at the root of our chronic dissatisfaction and restless head-banging. We believe ourselves to be implicated somehow by experience, and this belief spins itself into an increasingly tangled mess, until it seems that we're disturbed in one way or another just about all the time.
We've tied our fate to that of a fictional character, a creation, and so wring our hands at what may befall if the pole were to shift or mean aliens arrive, and so some pray to this or that Savior to intervene and get us out of the shadow world and into the light.

There is no greater mystery than this -
that being the Reality ourselves,
we seek to gain Reality.

We think that there is something binding
our reality and that it must be destroyed
before the reality is gained.

It is ridiculous!

A day will dawn when you will yourself
laugh at your effort.

That which is on the day of laughter
is also now.

~Ramana Maharshi


Blessings!

Interesting, but maybe one another reason for why their is different way of seeing the "real world" is based on our awareness. We are all have the same potential, but we don't use it equally and we are not evolving at the same speed... and we don't have to forget that our path are different in present life and past life also. Some of us are very old... even in a body of a child... form doesn't matter.

[RedeZra]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
our world is just a shadow of the real world ; )

After some investigation, it appears that nobody has quite the same experience of this so-called "our world", much less anything even remotely approaching the "real world".

sure there are most likely many layers of illusion

some more refined and long lasting than others


it is hard to reach Heaven and even harder to achieve Reality

but Righteousness is the Royal road to both of them

Posted by Xenos
Just have love and we'll see how you can manage with beings, nasty ones

... they can destroy you in your inside... and control... so you have to know who you are.

So, theory are nice, but in the arena... you dance in a different way. If you try you'll understand... if you survive. No joke here.

i know from experience that the world is infested with ethereal evil entities

who can manifest and manipulate both matter and mind


i eat them for breakfast ; )

[another bob]

Posted by Xenos (here)
maybe one another reason for why their is different way of seeing the "real world" is based on our awareness. We are all have the same potential, but we don't use it equally and we are not evolving at the same speed... and we don't have to forget that our path are different in present life and past life also. Some of us are very old... even in a body of a child... form doesn't matter.

Greetings, Friend!

Thank you for your comments.

Form is just form, which is a child of emptiness. Emptiness is pure potential.

Although an intriguing concept, time is not applicable in reality. Hence, speedy or slow, old or young, does not have any enduring meaning except what the conditioned mind grants in fantasies of interpretation on perception.

Likewise, past lives, present lives, and future lives are all children of a barren woman.

Awareness is indivisble, since there is only Source. Nevertheless, there appears to be multiplicity. That is the game of Source, to examine experience from every angle. This is where we come in -- each one of us provides Source with a slightly different viewpoint, and so just to BE is enough, as far as Source is concerned. It really doesn't have to be any more complicated than that.

Blessings!

[Xenos]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Xenos
Just have love and we'll see how you can manage with beings, nasty ones

... they can destroy you in your inside... and control... so you have to know who you are.

So, theory are nice, but in the arena... you dance in a different way. If you try you'll understand... if you survive. No joke here.

i know from experience that the world is infested with ethereal evil entities

who can manifest and manipulate both matter and mind


i eat them for breakfast ; )

You eat them for breakfast ? On a big piece of arrogance or what ? Allow me to doubt on your words. Arrogance is not a matter in the World... and arrogance is a weapon that they can turn on you.

Most of the time they like to test you with words like yours... to play.

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by Xenos (here)
maybe one another reason for why their is different way of seeing the "real world" is based on our awareness. We are all have the same potential, but we don't use it equally and we are not evolving at the same speed... and we don't have to forget that our path are different in present life and past life also. Some of us are very old... even in a body of a child... form doesn't matter.

Greetings, Friend!

Thank you for your comments.

Form is just form, which is a child of emptiness. Emptiness is pure potential.

Although an intriguing concept, time is not applicable in reality. Hence, speedy or slow, old or young, does not have any enduring meaning except what the conditioned mind grants in fantasies of interpretation on perception.

Likewise, past lives, present lives, and future lives are all children of a barren woman.

Awareness is indivisble, since there is only Source. Nevertheless, there appears to be multiplicity. That is the game of Source, to examine experience from every angle. This is where we come in -- each one of us provides Source with a slightly different viewpoint, and so just to BE is enough, as far as Source is concerned. It really doesn't have to be any more complicated than that.

Blessings!

Right, i'm agree. But i would say Space and Time... Space is form don't you think ?

I don't think that The Source is playing... it is creating... revealing.

When you speak about "each one of us provides Source with a slightly different viewpoint" you mean human ?

After, it depend of what you want to be. Have a simple life or to enter in the World... because you can't have a life in your corner if you choose really The Source... it is pure denial or ignorance.. why ? Because The Source IS 1. That's why. So, how can you live in your corner with the whole Creation at your door ? Sounds weird.

[another bob]

Posted by Xenos (here)
Right, i'm agree. But i would say Space and Time... Space is form don't you think ?

Greetings, Friend!

From what I can tell, space and time are concepts. Form itself is a mental fabrication. How so? Space and time appear as thoughts in the mind of Source, hence you will hear the likes of the magnificent Huang Po elucidating the principle of One Mind. If you try to find anything outside of this One Mind, you cannot. Matter is mind energy vibrating at certain frequencies, and from the very no-beginning there is only this energy. This energy we can call Source, which takes all the forms and plays all the roles, but is only always Itself, which is why I say "play", in the same sense that a child playfully constructs their own dreamy universe. When tired of it all, the child takes a nap and the universe disappears. The Vedas call it the Sleep of God.

I don't think that The Source is playing... it is creating... revealing.

Realize that "creating", "revealing", "playing" are all words describing the same activity (which is unalloyed bliss beyond comprehension).

When you speak about "each one of us provides Source with a slightly different viewpoint" you mean human ?

In this context, but keep in mind not exclusively human. Humanity is but one drop of water in an infinite sea of being.

how can you live in your corner with the whole Creation at your door ?

There is no corner to creation -- if I have to say something, it's more like a circle without center or circumference.

Blessings!

[RedeZra]

Posted by Xenos (here)
You eat them for breakfast ? On a big piece of arrogance or what ? Allow me to doubt on your words. Arrogance is not a matter in the World... and arrogance is a weapon that they can turn on you.

Most of the time they like to test you with words like yours... to play.

doubt does not appease my appetite

and by the way it's not arrogance but confidence

[music]

Quoting the basic book-keeping of any sacred text to prove that your God is better than anyone else's God, or that your God is more likely to have historically existed, is a waste of time, and quite frankly, tiresome. The only point of any sacred text are the sublime moments when we reach those places that are common to us all. The moments when we see that we are one, and the only thing that matters is Love. Now, you can paint any face you like on to your God, that is fine by me, but it really is time to move beyond this childish game of my God is bigger than your God, like children in a schoolyard, appealing to a higher power to fight their battle for them.

I have had visions of Jesus, and "he" exists for me, but I have had visions and wondrous experiences with many avatars and aspects of divine consciousness, and the one thing that is common to all these energies is that they Love and cherish all of us, regardless of our faith or belief in them. The biblical "nobody comes unto the father but through me", as far as my seeing tells me, means "nobody approaches the divine until, like me, they realise that they are one with "God"."



Love and Blessings to you all

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by music (here)
Quoting the basic book-keeping of any sacred text to prove that your God is better than anyone else's God, or that your God is more likely to have historically existed, is a waste of time, and quite frankly, tiresome. The only point of any sacred text are the sublime moments when we reach those places that are common to us all. The moments when we see that we are one, and the only thing that matters is Love. Now, you can paint any face you like on to your God, that is fine by me, but it really is time to move beyond this childish game of my God is bigger than your God, like children in a schoolyard, appealing to a higher power to fight their battle for them.

I have had visions of Jesus, and "he" exists for me, but I have had visions and wondrous experiences with many avatars and aspects of divine consciousness, and the one thing that is common to all these energies is that they Love and cherish all of us, regardless of our faith or belief in them. The biblical "nobody comes unto the father but through me", as far as my seeing tells me, means "nobody approaches the divine until, like me, they realise that they are one with "God"."



Love and Blessings to you all

All of the texts are training wheels to get us to learn how to ride the bike ourselves.
But most never take the training wheels off.