John Lash

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Jorr Lundrem....Moxie put this vid on the 8th oct so some have all ready seen it but not enough imho, great interlink between John Lash and Juddy Wood this is my reply on That thread...



Hi moxie good thread I came across Judy Wood via a John Lear interview a few years ago, and Johns been saying the star wars weapons platforms have been orbiting since the 80/90's.
now going from there Judy Woods theory makes perfect sence. Most of the other interviews I heard with Judy, Veritas, blog radio etc. She always stipulated she would not speculate on the
on the who? and why? But keep to the scientific facts as she knew them. In this interview maybe because of John Lash's presence she joined in more with the speculation which I found interesting.

I think they were a little hard on Richard Gage who I think is genuine. Richards theory is plausible for the public to get there head around, and at least they have put it into millions of peoples reality, that things are not what they seem and 16 muslim terrorists with box cutters and minimal flight training is very implausible....Now most people in the alternate community could easily switch, to more exotic weaponry. If we believe in ET's , Space fleet, there is no problem imho.

Richard Gage also tries not to speculate on the who? and the why? all he knew is as an architect, the collapse of Towers & building 7 did not feel right, and if you follow his logic
their theory is perfectly sound.He is aware of Judy and her work ,but is not ready to go there, because the press would have a field day ridiculing him as 'Star Trek' dreamer etc.
As I said for me exotic weapons theory makes much more sence , as Judy says alot of truthers are debunking her, but thats because everywhere is infiltrated by service to selfe people,
as she said people in the petrol chemical buisiness, do not want free energy exposed.

The PTB are monitoring all this and are one step ahead of all of us. As they said Judges are scared of this subject so are presumably the FBI. The immiediate perportrators are Chainey
and the gang and as John Lash says the people controlling them, may have increased the magnitude of the attack...We would call them TPTB, that mysterious group, that we use
for most things, who we know must exist , but we are not 100% sure who they are, Rothchild Bankers, anciant Annunaki Bloodlines, ET's , A powerful cabel ?????

Judy an John make a lot of sense and I think they are probably right, but how you get this out into the general public without ridicule without more evidence or a major disclosure.
is a big headache for me. Thats why I would not 'slag off' Richards Gages effort for at least this is keeping it in the public eye. Steven Jones and the scientists may have more to answer
for their hostility towards Judy Wood. I feel the majority of us know all this adds up to divide and conquer by TPTB, so we must keep the pressure up as best we can by discussing it with who ever

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by grannyfranny100 (here)
Thanks for turning me on to Grok The Talk. The combination of Dr Judy Wood and John Lash was stunning and I have started listening to other first rate interviews, too.

Yeah, there are a lot of mindblowing interviews on Grok the Talk.
Thomas Malone and John Lash are planning more revieling sessions. LOL

[jorr lundstrom]

Kicking some stones. I came across these:

http://www.truthwinds.com/siterun_da...p?q=1252943675

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-b...7/12/21/p21997

http://800pg.co.cc/geeklog/staticpag...x.php?page=911

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Thanks Jorr Lundrem....Moxie put this vid on the 8th oct so some have all ready seen it but not enough imho, great interlink between John Lash and Juddy Wood this is my reply on That thread...



Hi moxie good thread I came across Judy Wood via a John Lear interview a few years ago, and Johns been saying the star wars weapons platforms have been orbiting since the 80/90's.
now going from there Judy Woods theory makes perfect sence. Most of the other interviews I heard with Judy, Veritas, blog radio etc. She always stipulated she would not speculate on the
on the who? and why? But keep to the scientific facts as she knew them. In this interview maybe because of John Lash's presence she joined in more with the speculation which I found interesting.

I think they were a little hard on Richard Gage who I think is genuine. Richards theory is plausible for the public to get there head around, and at least they have put it into millions of peoples reality, that things are not what they seem and 16 muslim terrorists with box cutters and minimal flight training is very implosible....Now most people in the alternate community could easily switch, to more exotic weaponry. If we believe in ET's , Space fleet, there is no problem imho.

Richard Gage also tries not to speculate on the who? and the why? all he knew is as an architect, the collapse of Towers & building 7 did not feel right, and if you follow his logic
their theory is perfectly sound.He is aware of Judy and her work ,but is not ready to go there, because the press would have a field day ridiculing him as 'Star Trek' dreamer etc.
As I said for me exotic weapons theory makes much more sence , as Judy says alot of truthers are debunking her, but thats because everywhere is infiltrated by service to selfe people,
as she said people in the petrol chemical buisiness, do not want free energy exposed.

The PTB are monitoring all this and are one step ahead of all of us. As they said Judges are scared of this subject so are presumably the FBI. The immiediate perportrators are Chainey
and the gang and as John Lash says the people controlling them, may have increased the magnitude of the attack...We would call them TPTB, that mysterious group, that we use
for most things, who we know must exist , but we are not 100% sure who they are, Rothchild Bankers, anciant Annunaki Bloodlines, ET's , A powerful cabel ?????

Judy an John make a lot of sense and I think they are probably right, but how you get this out into the general public without ridicule without more evidence or a major disclosure.
is a big headache for me. Thats why I would not 'slag off' Richards Gages effort for at least this is keeping it in the public eye. Steven Jones and the scientists may have more to answer
for their hostility towards Judy Wood. I feel the majority of us know all this adds up to divide and conquer by TPTB, so we must keep the pressure up as best we can by discussing it with who ever

Slagging of those that dont agree with her is something she has done in the past too. Besides which her hypothesis is not just weak; it is not supported by the evidence at all.

[thegodsmakethecircles]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hAV3dntJTeM

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

If he really thinks linking crop circles and 9/11 will help progress the truth movement or bring justice for the families - he is living on another planet. Wizards?! Really?! This is supposed to help 9/11 truth how exactly?

[kevlar]

Be difficult for circle makers to communicate "from England" in September as there were no circles made in UK after end of August as the harvest was coming to an end.

love kevlar

FWIW in my opinion Judy Wood is right.

[<8>]

Thanks for a great thread The One...

Here is Judy Wood - 9/11 Ten Years Later

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FuJFe7DMqJk

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FuJFe7DMqJk

September 11, 2011

Judy D. Wood is a former professor of mechanical engineering with research interests in experimental stress analysis, structural mechanics, optical methods, deformation analysis, and the materials characterization of biomaterials and composite materials. Dr. Wood started to question the events of 9/11 on that same day when what she saw and heard on television was contradictory and appeared to violate the laws of physics. Since that day she has used her knowledge of engineering mechanics to prove that the collapse of the World Trade Center twin towers could not have happened as the American public was told. She has written a lengthy book on the topic called, Where Did The Towers Go? Ten years have passed since the collapse of the World Trade Center. In this interview, we'll discuss what has changed since 9/11 and why it is taking so long to rebuild on"Ground Zero." Judy brings up evidence of directed energy weaponry used in the attack. She'll explain some of the technical specifics of how this is possible and why the information we've received is wrong. Later, we talk about strange anomalies related to the event and aftermath, including spontaneous combustion and toasted cars.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Every single little bit of "evidence" that she presents as "proof" of energy weapons can be accounted for by explosives without resorting to unprovable invisible lasers from space. Poor science in my opinion. Very poor. I keep meaning to write a rebut of her work but keep thinking its not worth it as I see the same mistakes posted here over and over again. But maybe that is exactly the reason I SHOULD write a rebut. I dont know....

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

anyone interested in a little back and forth? Anyway, Im off to bed now. Goodnight gang!

[kouby]

This is pure disinfo, just look how she attacks everyone in he truth movement. It's as obvious as it ever will be, don't get suckered into believing this crap.

[jorr lundstrom]

EYES WIDE OPEN wrote:

Slagging of those that dont agree with her is something she has done in the past too.
Besides which her hypothesis is not just weak; it is not supported by the evidence at all.

Wot evidence? Ive lost tracks on wots concidered evidence those days.

kouby wrote:

This is pure disinfo, just look how she attacks everyone in he truth movement.
It's as obvious as it ever will be, don't get suckered into believing this crap.

Do we all agree on that the so called "Truth movement" has got a
monopoly of wots true. How come? Is it just by calling itself the truth
movement or.........................? I just wonder as I really dont know.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
Besides which her hypothesis is not just weak; it is not supported by the evidence at all.

There must be two Dr. Judy Wood's working on 9/11 research.

The one I know of wrote a book called "Where Did the Towers Go?", which I recently finished reading. It is the finest compendium of evidence I have ever seen regarding what happened to the buildings and surrounds of the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001. It's a good read too.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I too am reading the book. Glad I didnt waste my money on it however. If you think its the "finest compendium of evidence you have ever seen regarding what happened to the buildings and surrounds of the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001" then I really think you should raise your game.

These are 2 websites that use science and observation without conjecture. They are really good and helped clarify many things for me.

Start here: http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/
and here: http://the911forum.freeforums.org/index.php

Every single little bit of "evidence" that she presents as "proof" of energy weapons can be accounted for without resorting to unprovable invisible lasers from space. Poor science in my opinion. Very poor. I keep meaning to write a rebut of her work but keep thinking its not worth it as I see the same mistakes posted here over and over again. But maybe that is exactly the reason I SHOULD write a rebut. I dont know....
I dont think she is a disinfo artist, I think her heart is in the right place but her science is all wrong and she has only been a hinderance to the truth. But yes, attacking others that dont agree with her does her no credit. She should address their points or their questions instead of attacking them.

[jorr lundstrom]

The guys who made this video are most interested in who did it

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RrdNaxgIJcs

[aviators]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
I keep meaning to write a rebut of her work but keep thinking its not worth it as I see the same mistakes posted here over and over again. But maybe that is exactly the reason I SHOULD write a rebut. I dont know....
I dont think she is a disinfo artist, I think her heart is in the right place but her science is all wrong and she has only been a hinderance to the truth. But yes, attacking others that dont agree with her does her no credit. She should address their points or their questions instead of attacking them.

A few questions that Judy has brought to light for sure.

1 Where did 110 story's of steel go? X 2 Steel doesn't burn or liquidfy unless super heated.

2 Why did metal cars become toasted far away from ground zero.

3 Why was there very little seismic signal recorded from the buildings hitting the ground ?

4 Why didn't any of the buildings rupture the fragile bathtub and flood Manhattan?

5 Why was a powerful hurricane only a few hundred miles off the coast of N.Y.
that day and almost nothing was reported on it.

So what does the truth movement have to say about these points?

I don't know Judy. I haven't even read her book. She has raised some good questions though.

Best Regards.....

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Answers to your questions:

1. The steel in the World Trade Center buildings did not turn to dust. The concrete in the buildings turned to dust. I came to this conclusion by simply looking at a few photos:
http://dart2.arc.nasa.gov/Deployment...ges/LER049.jpg
http://cavegrad.typepad.com/.a/6a012...cf28970c-800wi

2. They did not. They were moved after the event. The rusting of cars was probably from the sulfur from the thermite-composition that also is the cause of rusting and microspheres in WTC debris. The unburnt paper claim can be explained as most of the paper was also covered in dust, acting as a fire retardant. There was also much BURNED paper as well. Judy ignores this.

3. According to the King Dome-demolition article from her (incredibly disorganised site)
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam2.html

The 25 000 ton roof collapsed instantly on a certain point (pressure point) ..but in the case of WTC demolitions, nothing that heavy dropped on a certain point at one instant. This is why the King Dome showed a bigger spike.
Most of the material from the WTC towers were scattered on a wide area and the pieces that fell on other buildings “took the blows” so this is why the seismic spike was smaller.
Also remember that most of the WTC concrete ( not the steel, but concrete and similar materials) was turned to dust.

4. “The bathtub is the 9-block area of the World Trade Center site that is excavated down to bedrock and hard soils and ringed by the slurry wall. The bathtub was created to enable the building of the Twin Towers' foundations”
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/foundation.html

Also, take note the Derbis from the Towers did not destroy all the WTC buildings either, so it is not that “odd” that the debris did not destroy the “bathtub” ..and as stated above the bathtub was well supported by ridged materials.

5. Because weather happens on our planet. It was not reported because perhaps there was bigger news to report on 9/11.

Now some questions for Judy wood:

1) Has Dr Judy Wood ever tested the dust from ground zero? Indeed, has she done any experiments at all?

2) Why did two towers and Building 7 fall in a completely different manner if space beams were used for both?

3) Why does Judy Wood ignore all the testimony of BOMBS going off in the Buildings?

4) Was does Judy Wood spend more time discrediting AE911 than proving her own theory?

5) Why didn't these "beams" effect wtc 3, 4, 5, 6 and just 1,2, and 7?

6) Why weren't the cars 'Dustified' as she claims happened to the steel in the towers?

[aviators]

( Eyes Wide Open) Thanks for expanding and taking the time here.

From what I noticed in most of the pictures. There was a massive amount of dust. The dust expanded a great deal and had a tendency to stay airborne and travel with the wind currents. Lots of dust for sure. The heavy steel columns should essentially fall strait down. I haven't seen a skeleton plan showing all the steel support pieces but I am assuming there is a lot of beams and supports to carry the weight of those towers. 110 story's of steel beams and supports falling strait down should leave a mighty tall pile. The debris pile doesn't seem to fit the scale of those buildings. We really need to look at what a similar type of building
would do under similar controlled demolitions. If I remember correctly,,very little damage was done to the surrounding buildings.
Just my 2 cents.

The toasted cars I don't know. Automotive finishes are pretty tough. I would expect oxidation from unprotected bare metals.
Has anyone heard that some rescue workers were complaining about their steel toe shoes and other metal equipment having
issues? Just asking. Someone I think has reported on this. Could be diss info.

The King Dome is really a poor comparison to the twin towers. Again you really need to compare a similar structure.
I would expect a lot more mass out of a 110 story collapse. How tall was the the King Dome? That structure only supported one roof.

The bathtub may go down to bedrock but the walls may not be as strong especially with some of its upper structure gone.
A small hole or crack would have the Hudson coming in. Don't think there were any reports on water leaks. Not Sure?

I live in the north east and hurricane's are tracked days and weeks before they hit.They are watched carefully because they are unpredictable. If one made it a few hundred miles off the coast the news reports would be every hour.

Again Just my 2 cents. One thing for sure. We haven't been told the full story.

Question

If bombs were used in a controlled demolition that day. How many men and hours would it take to yield those results.
Just have to ask this because it must take hundreds of man hours to prep explosives and equipment. Wouldn't this be hard to hide from some of the other building maintenance crews. It shouldn't be hard to find some witnesses.
or at least someone to make a anonymous statement.

Best Regards.....

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by aviators (here)
( Eyes Wide Open) Thanks for expanding and taking the time here.

The King Dome is really a poor comparison to the twin towers. Again you really need to compare a similar structure.
I would expect a lot more mass out of a 110 story collapse. How tall was the the King Dome? That structure only supported one roof.


Best Regards.....

Regarding the Kingdome, I only use that as an example as that is what Judy Wood used in her argument regarding the difference in seismic spikes.Your coment that its not a similar structure is indeed correct. Therefore this means Judy should also use a similar structure when talking about seismic spikes. Using the kingdome is almost irrelevant to proving her point as it is so different from the towers. Also, remember that this is in relation to seismic spikes and not dust / steel. That was a seperate question. I will address your othjer points later.
Cheers.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by aviators (here)
( Eyes Wide Open) T
If bombs were used in a controlled demolition that day. How many men and hours would it take to yield those results.
Just have to ask this because it must take hundreds of man hours to prep explosives and equipment. Wouldn't this be hard to hide from some of the other building maintenance crews. It shouldn't be hard to find some witnesses.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rbhZCqNZP2U