John Lash

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Posted by aviators (here)
( Eyes Wide Open) Thanks for expanding and taking the time here.

From what I noticed in most of the pictures. There was a massive amount of dust. The dust expanded a great deal and had a tendency to stay airborne and travel with the wind currents. Lots of dust for sure. The heavy steel columns should essentially fall strait down. I haven't seen a skeleton plan showing all the steel support pieces but I am assuming there is a lot of beams and supports to carry the weight of those towers. 110 story's of steel beams and supports falling strait down should leave a mighty tall pile..

Look at any areial photo of 9/11. The steel and debris fell outside the footprint of the towers. That is why its not high. Also, there is plenty of footage of the core columns still standing at the end of the collapse until they fall at the final moments. They do not turn to dust. Its right there on various videos for all to see.

[Muzz]

This is a subject I am invested in at the moment. Reading John Lash's book 'Not in His Image' was a definite eye opener. Highly recomended it.

What are archons?

In their ExopoliticsTV interviews Laura Eisenhower and Robert Stanley discuss Ancient Gnostic texts from Egypt,

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=frIhzLHHryA

“called the Nag Hammadi, describing two types of demonic alien beings that invaded earth long ago which they call the Archons. The first type of Archon looks like a reptile. The other type looks like a human embryo... which has the same shape and appearance as the 'sky fish' photos.”

Robert Stanley, author of Covert Encounters over Washington DC, has release a public statement about archons stating,

“It is time to expose the covert controllers of mankind. I assure you this is not speculation, a hoax, or the figment of peoples’ imagination. These parasitic creatures are real and they need to be dealt with immediately so mankind can evolve to the next level of existence.

“Although these parasites are not human, they feed off the negative energy/emotions of humans. It is unclear when these cosmic, amoeba-like creatures first came to earth, but we know they were discovered by shamans in altered states of consciousness long ago and have recently been photographed.
The reason everyone is not seeing them on a daily basis is because the creature's energy signature is beyond our normal, narrow range of vision within the electromagnetic spectrum. What scientist call "visible light."

The scientific approach to archons
Mr. Stanley maintains that humanity must now take a scientific approach to identifying archons and exterminating them in the human dimensional ecology. Mr. Stanley has released a series of photographs of archons that can be seen in the Slide show in this article.

Archons are intrapsychic mind-parasites

In discussing archness, author John Lash writes,

"Although archons do exist physically, the real danger they pose to humanity is not invasion of the planet but invasion of the mind.

"The archons are intrapsychic mind-parasites who access human consciousness through telepathy and simulation. They infect our imagination and use the power of make-believe for deception and confusion.


Truth movement - Modern shamans?

As Carlos Castaneda demonstrated, the shamans and exorcists have had the role in traditional societies of coping with and counter-acting the negative effects of archons and “demonic possession” in their traditional societies.In her ExopoliticsTV interview, Laura Magdalene Eisenhower sees whistleblowers in The Truth Movement as among those that are carrying out the role of exorcising the archons from modern day society.

“Our planet Earth (Gaia),“ Ms. Eisenhower states, “is now engaged in an exorcism of the archons, and we must participate with her in exorcising our archons as well.”

Read the whole article

[Muzz]

There is also this article on the subject.

Who Wrote The Reptilian Agenda? - The Origin of The Anunnaki Script by John Lash

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Yet another negative alien force... Sounds like an episode of Star Trek. Where does this all fit in with greys, reptilians and actual physical ETs? Is he trying to say that they are merely figments, manifestations of the archons??

[Dennis Jonathan]

John Lash is an eye opener - no doubt

[gittarpikk]

Hi all.. I have just had a very good video brought to my attention.. This one is GOOD... well documented and a lot of comments at the end has a lot to do with things we have heard of, but did not fully understand.. Its DEFINITELY worth your time..

The interviewer is Theo Chalmers who ask a lot of questions of Dr Judy Wood., I'm told it is the best interview yet....but I have not sen the previous ones

The material is from a physicist point of view.

enjoy

http://drjudywood.com/towers/

[ktlight]

FYI:
"Humans on Earth have been preoccupied with searching for other intelligent life that is organic in the universe. However, scientific research has presented evidence of life-like structures that arise from inorganic substances in space. To thrive on Earth intelligent inorganic life would not need, for example, air, and a variety of other vital organic features for life. The implications of this research are that apparently organically "dead" planets like Mars, Saturn, Jupiter, along with moons in this solar system could be inhabited by colonies of intelligent and inorganic life. Accordingly, some UFOs could in fact be spacecraft from colonies of neighbouring planets of Earth, and their moons. In other words, scientific research now supports the plausibility of various testimonies that have been made of such intelligent and apparently inorganic life in our solar system.

Indeed, the ancient Gnostics also warned of the existence of such inorganic entities that were observed to be jealous of humanity, and in the process, sought to use their technologies to manipulate, control, and enslave humanity.

Could extraterrestrial life be made of corkscrew-shaped particles of interstellar dust? The findings hint at the possibility that life beyond earth may not necessarily use carbon-based molecules as its building blocks. Life on Earth is organic. It is composed of organic molecules, which are simply the compounds of carbon, excluding carbonates and carbon dioxide. The idea that particles of inorganic dust may take on a life of their own is in itself, nothing short of alien, and goes beyond the silicon-based life forms favoured by some science fiction stories.

Now, an international team has discovered that under the right conditions, particles of inorganic dust can become organised into helical structures. These structures can then interact with each other in ways that are usually associated with organic compounds and life itself.

V. N. Tsytovich of the General Physics Institute, Russian Academy of Science, in Moscow, working with colleagues there, and at the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany, and the University of Sydney, Australia, has studied the behaviour of complex mixtures of inorganic materials in a plasma.

Plasma is essentially the fourth state of matter beyond solid, liquid and gas, in which electrons are torn from atoms leaving behind a miasma of charged particles.

Until now, physicists assumed that there could be little organisation in such a cloud of particles. However, Mr. Tsytovich and his colleagues demonstrated, using a computer model of molecular dynamics, that particles in a plasma can undergo self-organization as electronic charges become separated and the plasma becomes polarized. This effect results in microscopic strands of solid particles that twist into corkscrew shapes, or helical structures. These helical strands are themselves electronically charged and are attracted to each other.

Quite "bizarrely", not only do these helical strands interact in a counterintuitive way in which like can attract like, but they also undergo changes that are normally associated with biological molecules, such as DNA and proteins, say the researchers [Reference: New Journal of Physics, August 2007]. They can, for instance, divide, or bifurcate, to form two copies of the original structure. These new structures can also interact to induce changes in their neighbours and they can even evolve into yet more structures as less stable ones break down, leaving behind only the fittest structures in the plasma.

So, could helical clusters formed from interstellar dust be somehow alive? "These complex, self-organized plasma structures exhibit all the necessary properties to qualify them as candidates for inorganic living matter," says Tsytovich, "they are autonomous, they reproduce and they evolve"."

source to continue
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/new...07/21/213.html

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

Following the 'source to continue' this quote was interesting...

Interestingly, this Gnostic insight accords closely with the view of Jacques Vallee, who maintains that ET/cyborgs probably belong to the local planetary realm. Vallee also proposes that the Manipulative ET/UFO enigma is a “spiritual control system,” a phenomenon that “behaves like a conditioning process.” [Messengers of Deception].

[meat suit]

inorganic life may well be a good alternative to organic live. we are in the trouble that we are in coz as 'organics' we compete for resources
if one could incarnate into something like a stream of water or volume of air etc. life could well be interesting too...

in fact, isnt our lovely planet a being? (even if you removed all organic life from it???)

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Reposted question from other thread:

Posted by Phoenix (here)

Check this out, then prove to me it was explosives: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ms1uUZX_g2I

I really don't get how people belive Judy when she has done zero experiments to test her theory.
That is what science is.
Otherwise you just believe what she says on faith alone. How is what she says with zero practical proof or experiments to back her up better than what anyone else is saying in the 9/11 movement? (many of which DO have practical experiments to back them up)?
It just seems like people have read her ideas and decided they are true without bothering to look at the counter arguments.
Its like their mind is made up and then at that point they completely shut down to any further discussion of her ideas.
Also, why on earth people keep asking me to prove she is wrong is beyond me. Its up to her to prove she is right. And she has not.
Not a single experiment.
Her heart is in the right place but she has not shown any good evidence to support her space beams ideas.

[iceni tribe]

more Judy bashing EWO, youve been at her for two years now .

care to explain this.



can you see 500,000 tons of debris



care to explain why the seismic chart gives a reading of 0.9 on the richter scale for the plane inpact and only 2.3 for a half million ton building smashing into the ground.




notice the time on the clock , 15 minutes after the first collapse , but wait what do we see , is that fine dust being kicked up by the mans feet how could that have settled so quick.




can you see the 30 floors at the top moving away from the rest of the building



now where is that top piece again




how is it possible that 14 survived i stairwell B with half a million tons of rubble coming down on top of them.





EWO it is my humble opinion that you can look for evidence for thermite bringing down the towers until the cows come home , Steven Jones ( 1989 cold fushion debunker ) and Richard Gage are controlled .

fancy researching your hero's then be my guest

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dhMPlJ9C__Q

[Cidersomerset]

Great post iceni Tribe.....The interview is very good and exposes the murky world of everything about 9/11
the two scientists who were murdered and everything else stinks to high heaven and as Andrew said it
looks like the truth movement has been manipulated from day 0ne, and why would it have not been ?
as any intelligence agencies would have spies in any organisation.....The crop circles makers
spring to mind in another of Richard Halls brilliant investigative documentry on British intelligence funding
John Lundberg of circlemakers.....I'm going to post this interview on the Judy Wood thread I put up as
it fits in well......Steve.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by iceni tribe (here)
more Judy bashing EWO, youve been at her for two years now .

care to explain this.



can you see 500,000 tons of debris



care to explain why the seismic chart gives a reading of 0.9 on the richter scale for the plane inpact and only 2.3 for a half million ton building smashing into the ground.




notice the time on the clock , 15 minutes after the first collapse , but wait what do we see , is that fine dust being kicked up by the mans feet how could that have settled so quick.




can you see the 30 floors at the top moving away from the rest of the building



now where is that top piece again




how is it possible that 14 survived i stairwell B with half a million tons of rubble coming down on top of them.





EWO it is my humble opinion that you can look for evidence for thermite bringing down the towers until the cows come home , Steven Jones ( 1989 cold fushion debunker ) and Richard Gage are controlled .

fancy researching your hero's then be my guest

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dhMPlJ9C__Q

As its my birthday today, Im not going to spend ages answering all that now. But I will in the next few days. What I will say now is Richard Hall was wrong about his "orb footage": watch this. https://youtube.com/watch?v=ymf30rN4Mxo

Oh and that series of photos of the core column is just dust falling off the columns. Its not the columns turning to dust. I will answer the rest tomorrow.

[Delight]

I have followed Dr. Judy Wood's work for a couple of years. She is an expert concerning the behavior of materials under varying conditions. As a material's scientist, she used the research tool of examining evidence in pictures and videos and comparing the behavior evidenced in the pictorial evidence with known "behavior" of materials.

She noticed that the behavior of the material did not conform to the given story. For instance, the towers disintegrated from the top. The towers rise up into dust. This is shown here:


On and on the evidence piles up that the story does not match the evidence.

What I learned most of all from Dr. Judy Wood is that though I doubted the "reasons" given for the event at the time, I used a story given and it shaped what I was seeing laid out in plain view. I saw what I was told to see. Spooky Spooky that I only saw what I was told to see.

John Hutchinson is a source she used to observe materials when energy technology is applied. One can compare the behavior of materials there to the towers.

http://drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/

One of the other things that amazed me from Dr. Judy Wood's contribution is although a major hurricane Erin, was headed straight for NYC, it was not considered news worthy. And on 9/11 it suddenly changed course.

http://drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin1.html





Spooky, Spooky how even in the glaring light of information, people seem to prefer either being right over the opportunity to be more accurate, OR seem to promote and at least continue the lies for some other reason. Why are these voices not just booed out of town? Because they can pull in an expert witness too.

Spooky, Spooky how the arguments about "suspected" modalities divide the truth movement.

I am not a materials expert though. I will agree that I have a chance of being inaccurate myself. But at least I will never forget to doubt what I hear and look and see instead.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Judy may as well have said "I can fly. Not going to prove it with experiments. You just have to trust me." Please ask more of yourselves and be more discerning when you choose what to believe.


You say Hurricane Erin is suspicious and should be looked into. It already has been.

If you think a hurricane in the hurricane hotspot known as the North Atlantic is suspicious then I really dont know what to say, apart from that Erin was one of many hurricanes and tropical storms on and around 9/11.

Here they are -



Pick any year from this link and see how many hurricanes are prevolent every single year in the hotspot known as the North Atlantic...

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/index.html



Also the fact that Erin had lost speed and was reported to have done so is a fact before 9/11. Here's an article...



You use this still shot sequence to prove the spire turned to dust.



But notice how the top of the silo doesn't match up in terms of positioning.



Lining two of the stills of the silo up with each other gives us an interesting new take on this matter...







The spire falls displacing the dust that settled on it from the collapse. No mystery there.

from another angle:








Spot the tiny man in this picture standing on the debris that Judy says does not exist.




I mean, I could go on but life is short....

The fact is that every single bit of Judy's theories can be explained without the need for invisible space rays.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

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Posted by iceni tribe (here)
more Judy bashing EWO, youve been at her for two years now .

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
Reposted question from other thread:

Posted by Phoenix (here)

Check this out, then prove to me it was explosives: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ms1uUZX_g2I

I really don't get how people belive Judy when she has done zero experiments to test her theory.
That is what science is.
Otherwise you just believe what she says on faith alone. How is what she says with zero practical proof or experiments to back her up better than what anyone else is saying in the 9/11 movement? (many of which DO have practical experiments to back them up)?
It just seems like people have read her ideas and decided they are true without bothering to look at the counter arguments.
Its like their mind is made up and then at that point they completely shut down to any further discussion of her ideas.
Also, why on earth people keep asking me to prove she is wrong is beyond me. Its up to her to prove she is right. And she has not.
Not a single experiment.
Her heart is in the right place but she has not shown any good evidence to support her space beams ideas.

How is any of what I wrote above "Judy bashing" as you call it iceni?
Where do I call her a name?
I don't.
I ask a few very simple questions and apparently that is "Judy bashing" ?
You are of course welcome to believe anything you like but to accuse me of attacking Judy when I have just asked a few simple questions is unfair.
Are her ideas so weak that any questioning of them must be answered with such a defensive attitude rather than plain honesty?

What do you think to the answers I gave regarding your questions of the spire collapse and hurricane and debris? Do you think they are good or bad answers?

[Arrowwind]

The 9/11 Truth Movement has no account for 1400 toasted cars... that is a huge story they dont make a peep about

I do not see why thermite could not have been used.
Could not the buidling been wired for demolition and at the same time had an energy weapon hit it?
After all, how many times have they been able to practice on a building like this with an energy weapon?
Perhaps they decided to cover all their bases.

9/11 Truthers and Judy Wood would do better to team up for the Truthers can account for much
the Dr Woods does not discuss at all.

[iceni tribe]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)


You use this still shot sequence to prove the spire turned to dust.



But notice how the top of the silo doesn't match up in terms of positioning.



Lining two of the stills of the silo up with each other gives us an interesting new take on this matter...







The spire falls displacing the dust that settled on it from the collapse. No mystery there.

the spire falls displacing the dust that settled on it .........c'mon really !!!

i see the initial sharp image of the core column falling from right to left disappearing before my eyes.

try this one

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4

this image of yours looks mighty impressive.



i would be interested to know which building rubble we are actually looking at and where the photo was taken and was it taken by this man.




JOEL MEYEROWITZ

" the only photographer allowed unrestricted access to ground zero immediately following the attack":


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Meyerowitz



or was it from Oliver Stone's "Rubblefield" in LA

listen at 1 min 30 secs

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=T1hmntCeLoY

just exploring all possibilities , posting images of rubble without a definitive reference point is not helpful IMHO.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

from the other thread.

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
I note that my explanations for Judys evidence have been mostly ignored. Fingers in ears.



Look at this video. It clearly shows the spire falling straight down.
You can track the top of it. IT DOES NOT TURN TO DUST. IT FALLS STRAIGHT DOWN. or will you not believe your own eyes. watch it a few times.
From the 1 min mark:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI

This one is even clearer:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p0QQN8VlwUE

WATCH IT FALL. FROM ABOUT 2:45. THE SPIRE IS SOLD ALL THE WAY DOWN. YOU CAN EVEN SEE THE DUST FALL OFF IT. THIS DUST FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE IS WHAT CONFUSED JUDY. THIS FOOTAGE PROVES SHE IS WRONG. COMPLEATLY WRONG.

DUST IS DISPLACED. Are people seriously sugessting that no dust landed on the spire and the rest of New York was covered in dust?! That is what you have to believe if you think that no dust landed on the spire and think the spire simply vanished due to space lazers or DEW.

Here is a challenge. Present what you consider the top 3 best bits of evidence form Judy wood. I will try and explain them using logic. What do you think guys?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

As you seem to be suggesting that the rubble pile photo I posted is somehow staged, here is another: (note the HCV diggers at the bottom for scale)



I can find many more photos that prove the size and hight of the debris field if you want.