EXACT DATE for the ascension according to the Maya. Not 12/21/12 and not 10/28/11!

[shadowstalker]

Posted by transiten (here)
Shadowstalker asked:

"Still no answer on the 1,44,000 ay? It may have something to do with the ascension issue but we will never know, that in itself in still speculation"

144 originates form the Fibonacci number system: 1+1=2, 2+1=3, 3+2=5, 5+3=8 and so on. The meaning of the symbology is another story.

True I wont debate that one ever...lol

[another bob]

Posted by Limor (here)
Please ignor the theatrical presentation and listen to what is being said:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HYy8CqwWi9M

~*&^~*&

Limor

Thank you, Friend -- a lot of resonance with that clip!

I'd take a slight issue with one point of the presentation, and I 've got a feeling Jack would agree with me upon further consideration, and that's the part about humans being alone and on our own in this developmental process.

In my experience, and that of many others, great help is always available to us, and in fact we are literally floating in a sea of Grace, even as we appear to be destroying ourselves and our habitat.

From the viewpoint of unity consciousness, Jack is right in that this help is not ultimately external to us, yet even the unity consciousness from which he speaks is only a partial and provisional realization (but a great evolutionary step forward, and a necessary one).

To my immediate point however, I'd offer that there are all sorts of non-human influences at play in this realm, chief among them being ourselves in our natural light being form. As beings of light, we're here to aid our human hosts in their evolutionary adventure by bringing them the taste of unconditional love, but once we get fused with the human host at the fetal stage, we conveniently start to forget ourselves and end up acting selfishly.

Few of us even remember ourselves and what we truly are until after the current episode ends. Nevertheless, this turns out to be exactly as it should be, for in this way Source (which is pure true love) gets to contrast and explore what in reality "it" is not. So, all is well no matter what, and when the costumes drop away and the lights come on, we will see that it couldn't have happened any other way, and we'll applaud each other for the show!

Blessings!

[The Truth Is In There]

granted, calleman's date of oct 28th was obviously wrong as that day was a complete non event. that doesn't mean that the basic idea of fractal time is wrong. i'm sure that when the "shift" happens it will be "in the blink of an eye" as it has been predicted and until then the shift is of course gradually and only noticable in hindsight. that doesn't mean that it can't happen earlier for certain people (as in fact it already has) but at some point in time it will happen for the majority of people, more or less instantaneously. if time is a fractal it's not possible otherwise.

the good thing is that there's always a new date to look forward to. the dutch researcher johan oldenkamp calculated the actual end date of the mayan calendar to be july 14th, 2012, based on certain singular events like the founding of the illuminati and 9/11. very compelling theory imo (http://pateo.nl/English/index.htm). if he's right we might have some major event on or around nov 24th as the 9th wave starts. that could probably be the internet going down (satellite failure due to a massive cme or something), the start of ww3, a collapse of the money system, major earth changes, you name it.

at any rate, what bill and some others talk about, all these problems on earth and what we need to be concerned about etc. that is all just part of the drama. there is nothing to be concerned about as everything outside is just a reflection of what is inside. as human consciousness changes the changes in the world will happen automatically and all everyone can or should do is trying to become a better person themselves and perhaps helping others to expand their awareness if they wish to. that's all it takes and worrying about anything won't help anyone. especially not about the economy. what's important is one's own state of mind, nothing else matters.

[nearing]

We don't know that exactly what Calleman was predicting from his research on the MC didn't happen. He never said there would be mass ascension or the earth would fall apart, etc. It was the end of an era of consciousness and the next day, the 29th was the beginning of another era of consciousness. Can anyone say that did not happen? I think not.

We may well be in a completely different Consciousness mode than we ever were before and by all accounts this new mode is a very beneficial one for human kind.

I know things have begun to feel better, lighter (less heavy) and more positive for me since then. Could that be the reason? Maybe.

[Limor Wolf]

Posted by another bob (here)

Thank you, Friend -- a lot of resonance with that clip!

I'd take a slight issue with one point of the presentation, and I 've got a feeling Jack would agree with me upon further consideration, and that's the part about humans being alone and on our own in this developmental process.

In my experience, and that of many others, great help is always available to us, and in fact we are literally floating in a sea of Grace, even as we appear to be destroying ourselves and our habitat.

From the viewpoint of unity consciousness, Jack is right in that this help is not ultimately external to us, yet even the unity consciousness from which he speaks is only a partial and provisional realization (but a great evolutionary step forward, and a necessary one).

To my immediate point however, I'd offer that there are all sorts of non-human influences at play in this realm, chief among them being ourselves in our natural light being form. As beings of light, we're here to aid our human hosts in their evolutionary adventure by bringing them the taste of unconditional love, but once we get fused with the human host at the fetal stage, we conveniently start to forget ourselves and end up acting selfishly.

Few of us even remember ourselves and what we truly are until after the current episode ends. Nevertheless, this turns out to be exactly as it should be, for in this way Source (which is pure true love) gets to contrast and explore what in reality "it" is not. So, all is well no matter what, and when the costumes drop away and the lights come on, we will see that it couldn't have happened any other way, and we'll applaud each other for the show!

Blessings!

Hello Bob!

lovely response.I agree with you on this slight correction (wouldn't know about Jack),we are receiving great help,I also believe that a lot of lifelines are thrown towords us,and we do not always extand our hands to reach it..

While in our human costumes,the most significant lesson we need to learn,in this current state of separation is SELF RESPONSIBILITY as well as CREATION instead of destruction,that is also I believe what the entity called Jack is trying to deliver. if we need to learn it on our own flesh and blood,than so be it.prophecies seem to be trapping us in delusion,but if one needs to pass through the belief that some are going to ascend and leave the others behind,while at the same time supporting the idea of unity,only to find out on 2013 that unity means advencing together as a collective,than this is as well a legitimate form of learning.and earth is one of the best schools for this purpose,so we've heard.
And as you said,Bob: "we will see that it couldn't have happened any other way..."
Ditto.

[mosquito]

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)
........

Oh look !!!!! You're still here - what a surprise.

Again I'll tell you - The Mayan Calendar completes its' long cycle on exactly the day the Mayan elders say it does - 21/12/2012. And the next day the cycle starts all over again.

If you want to continue predicting new dates for your personal ascension, go ahead, but stop trying to use native teachings to justify your beliefs.

[jorr lundstrom]

Limor wrote:

While in our human costumes,the most significant lesson we need to learn,in this current state of separation is SELF RESPONSIBILITY as well as CREATION instead of destruction,that is also I believe what the entity called Jack is trying to deliver. if we need to learn it on our own flesh and blood,than so be it.prophecies seem to be trapping us in delusion,but if one needs to pass through the belief that some are going to ascend and leave the others behind,while at the same time supporting the idea of unity,only to find out on 2013 that unity means advencing together as a collective,than this is as well a legitimate form of learning.and earth is one of the best schools for this purpose,so we've heard.

As I see it, one cannot be made responsible. Resposibility is always my own choice,

And if Im to take responsibility I can only take responsibility for myself, my own choices,

actions, reactions and wotsoever I might get into. I am then responsible for the total

world I experience and its up to me how to handle this world. So I better stay awake

and handle it as impeccable as Im able to. LOL Noone left to blame for anything. LOL

[lightning23]

[redlotus]

Posted by nearing (here)
We don't know that exactly what Calleman was predicting from his research on the MC didn't happen. He never said there would be mass ascension or the earth would fall apart, etc. It was the end of an era of consciousness and the next day, the 29th was the beginning of another era of consciousness. Can anyone say that did not happen? I think not.

We may well be in a completely different Consciousness mode than we ever were before and by all accounts this new mode is a very beneficial one for human kind.

I know things have begun to feel better, lighter (less heavy) and more positive for me since then. Could that be the reason? Maybe.

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I agree with all you said. We are vibrating at a higher consciousness level now.

It is easy to witness how those who still want to play mind-games, deception, greed, using others for their gain, are becoming incredibly transparent. We are all starting to laugh more and more, saying: "The emperor has no clothes!"
In fact, WE ALL ARE GETTING SUPER TRANSPARENT. Has anyone noticed? The tptb (the powers that were) are busy spying on everyone, following us, controlling all our data, moves, accounts, etc. but that is hilarious to me, because we ARE transparent anyhow.

NO MORE SECRETS - that is the NEW Consciousness. That does not mean we are turning into some hive, and all be the same, like robots, ("they" want us to become that). We are just getting lighter, more translucent, more energized, needing less sleep, less food, not getting sick... and eventually, we will be shining like stars once again!

I felt a tremendous Shift around November 2-5th in my vibrational make-up: it was a very strange, uncomfortable, bizarre 3 days for me. (maybe it was just me?) Ever since then I feel I am floating between this Reality and the next one...

[amym]

I believe we are in a new paradigm. I notice brighter colors, and more vivid experiences. It may not be noticeable for some...for me, my experience seems more alive.

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by nearing (here)
We don't know that exactly what Calleman was predicting from his research on the MC didn't happen. He never said there would be mass ascension or the earth would fall apart, etc. It was the end of an era of consciousness and the next day, the 29th was the beginning of another era of consciousness. Can anyone say that did not happen? I think not.

We may well be in a completely different Consciousness mode than we ever were before and by all accounts this new mode is a very beneficial one for human kind.

I know things have begun to feel better, lighter (less heavy) and more positive for me since then. Could that be the reason? Maybe.

the way i understood calleman is that he said time would disappear and we would live in the moment. he could have meant that metaphorically or literally. if he meant it literally then his date was wrong because it obviously hasn't happened yet and if he meant it metaphorically then his understanding of time is wrong. either way there's an error in his reasoning.

i don't know if you have read wilcock's "source field investigations" book yet but in it he describes pretty well how he thinks space/time and time/space work. imo what's going to happen at some point in "time" -in the blink of an eye- is that our perception of time will disappear -literally- because we'll have the full multidimensional abilities of our higher self while still in a physical body. what that means is that we'll be able to shift our consciousness in and out of this vehicle, while retaining full consciousness, simply by changing our perspective, and i guess you agree that in spirit state all exists now.

just imagine that the fractal spiral in the picture below is time. as we move closer to the center time is speeding up and at some point the acceleration becomes so fast that the illusion of time collapses and we realize that all exists now. i don't believe that happened on oct 28th or on 11/11/11 but rest assured that at some point it will.


http://image69.webshots.com/469/0/33...7VNHQwv_ph.jpg

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by mariposafe (here)

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)
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Oh look !!!!! You're still here - what a surprise.

Again I'll tell you - The Mayan Calendar completes its' long cycle on exactly the day the Mayan elders say it does - 21/12/2012. And the next day the cycle starts all over again.

If you want to continue predicting new dates for your personal ascension, go ahead, but stop trying to use native teachings to justify your beliefs.

i see you still haven't realized that we're not talking about the long count.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

there is nothing to be concerned about.

Charlie Vietch's satirical parody of the sleeping masses coms to mind!

I will say this straight, because it needs to be said: that was a pretty unintelligent statement. It reveals an unawareness of the basic distinction between the protocols of this level of reality (we're playing a game, but down here it does matter: otherwise what are we doing here?) -- and out-of-this-reality levels where the true "only-temporarily-important" nature of the game (and the fact that ULTIMATELY it doesn't matter) is clearly visible, as it is from the point of view of spectators of a ball game.

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Calleman

... is no longer credible.

[buckminster fuller]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

there is nothing to be concerned about.

Charlie Vietch's satirical parody of the sleeping masses coms to mind!

I will say this straight, because it needs to be said: that was a pretty unintelligent statement. It reveals an unawareness of the basic distinction between the protocols of this level of reality (we're playing a game, but down here it does matter: otherwise what are we doing here?) -- and out-of-this-reality levels where the true "only-temporarily-important" nature of the game (and the fact that ULTIMATELY it doesn't matter) is clearly visible, as it is from the point of view of spectators of a ball game.

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Calleman

... is no longer credible.

I'd like to ask a few simple questions on top of that statement:

How is our potential expressed if there is "nothing to be concerned about" ?
What meaning to life, to creation would it bring about ?
What's the room left for creativity, for co-creation if all is due and all is answered ?

[redlotus]

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Posted by nearing (here)
We don't know that exactly what Calleman was predicting from his research on the MC didn't happen. He never said there would be mass ascension or the earth would fall apart, etc. It was the end of an era of consciousness and the next day, the 29th was the beginning of another era of consciousness. Can anyone say that did not happen? I think not.

We may well be in a completely different Consciousness mode than we ever were before and by all accounts this new mode is a very beneficial one for human kind.

I know things have begun to feel better, lighter (less heavy) and more positive for me since then. Could that be the reason? Maybe.

the way i understood calleman is that he said time would disappear and we would live in the moment. he could have meant that metaphorically or literally. if he meant it literally then his date was wrong because it obviously hasn't happened yet and if he meant it metaphorically then his understanding of time is wrong. either way there's an error in his reasoning.

i don't know if you have read wilcock's "source field investigations" book yet but in it he describes pretty well how he thinks space/time and time/space work. imo what's going to happen at some point in "time" -in the blink of an eye- is that our perception of time will disappear -literally- because we'll have the full multidimensional abilities of our higher self while still in a physical body. what that means is that we'll be able to shift our consciousness in and out of this vehicle, while retaining full consciousness, simply by changing our perspective, and i guess you agree that in spirit state all exists now.

just imagine that the fractal spiral in the picture below is time. as we move closer to the center time is speeding up and at some point the acceleration becomes so fast that the illusion of time collapses and we realize that all exists now. i don't believe that happened on oct 28th or on 11/11/11 but rest assured that at some point it will.


http://image69.webshots.com/469/0/33...7VNHQwv_ph.jpg

You are right, I agree with your reasoning, and I felt that also about this October 28 date. However, the transformation may not happen in a blink of an eye, IMHO.
I feel that we are gently being adjusted, downloaded, or upgraded. All my life I never really cared about time, clocks, schedules, and defiantly tried to live 'outside' of this construct as much as possible.
However, as I got older, I did adjust as best as I could to manage my life here, yet, there is a part of me that DID NOT become a part of this matrix. That was evident to me this Nov 2-5, when suddenly my car battery died, (could not reset the car clock) and all my iPhone data disappeared all on the same day. I felt like I was suspended from linear time!

I could not tell what 'time' it was when away from home. Due to the daylight-time-change here, it was even hard to navigate it just by looking at Nature. I suddenly felt incredibly alone disconnected from this Reality during those strange days. (hard to describe it better here...)

Looking back, I am convinced that my Higher Self played a trick on me: giving me a short glimpse -a preview?- of living in NO-time. It is obvious, that I was not totally ready for it just yet, or I would have disappeared, who knows? Interestingly, that day (Nov 1-2) there was a 6.9 Earthquake 300 km from me, originating from a deep sea super volcano...

[lightseeker]

There is so much information on this site and many others regarding ascension. I will give you my two cents worth. I believe ascension to be a process wherein we make choices to raise our vibration and expand our conciousness to a higher level. I believe this to be a gradual process, and very unique to each individual. To many people who are not awake/aware it will be just another in hell. And I admit there are some sites such as Gerald O'Donnell's web site wherein he provides a profound insite with info. he receives from the ONENESS wherein ONENESS has made its presence known by directly taking hold of this period. AS I understand it, this is the last time around for everyone everywhere. Everyone will be aware and will be connected to ONENESS. This period according to Gerald O'Donnell will be a wake up for the entire universe/multiverse. This is another point of View, one which makes sense to me, The circle of incarnation comes to an end perminently (as does my poor spelling!! lol). At the end of the day since I have awakened over the last 5 years, I have come to understand that the ONE is within and always has been, there is not separation or duality. This is an illusion. This has been the most profound and wonderful revalation to me and one that I have and continue to experience every moment of my life. I do not have all the answers to this mystery , but is ascension makes us realize that we are all one and that oneness is always present within us, as far as I am concerned ascension has already happened, whether or not I remain here or enter another dimension etc. is irrelevant to me.

[NeverMind]

I'd like to ask a few simple questions on top of that statement:

How is our potential expressed if there is "nothing to be concerned about" ?
What meaning to life, to creation would it bring about ?
What's the room left for creativity, for co-creation if all is due and all is answered ?

This is the essential question, and I am continously surprised by the fact that people do not seem to ponder much about it.

I believe that all creativity - but also all the pain, and all the joy, along with every other sentiment - are a natural consequence of separation.
Without separation, there is no yearning; without yearning, there is no creativity (because none is needed - after all, creation is, in fact, simply making visible what already IS), there is no "goal", there is no pain and there is no joy - not as we understand it.
Possible "bliss" is not the same as joy.

N.B. Nothing of the above should be read as either "bad" or "good". It is what it is.
But the fact is, that the abolition of time, as well as other "barriers", renders yearning - the source of all creativity, of all pain, of all joy - obsolete.

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

there is nothing to be concerned about.

Charlie Vietch's satirical parody of the sleeping masses coms to mind!

I will say this straight, because it needs to be said: that was a pretty unintelligent statement. It reveals an unawareness of the basic distinction between the protocols of this level of reality (we're playing a game, but down here it does matter: otherwise what are we doing here?) -- and out-of-this-reality levels where the true "only-temporarily-important" nature of the game (and the fact that ULTIMATELY it doesn't matter) is clearly visible, as it is from the point of view of spectators of a ball game.

let me put it this way. it probably matters as long as you're unaware of the game. once you know that it's all just a game, that your physical body is just a "game piece", the game loses its significance. you realize a few things:
- that you can change the properties of the game by changing your perspective
- that everything outside is just a reflection of what is inside, which allows you to "manipulate" the game - by simply changing yourself you change your experience of the game
- ultimately "worrying", "being concerned about" etc. are all judgmental terms. you judge something as "bad" or "negative" and so, being a "good" person, you worry about it and want to change it.
however, once you realize that everything is an expression of the divine, that every thing and every one just IS (or rather IS BECOMING) you realize that there is no need for judgement and hence no need to worry.

please consider this. our human perspective at this point is limited. you don't see the complete picture so you're unaware of the reasons why certain things are happening, and so you judge them based on your limited perspective. if your perspective were unlimited you'd realize that everything happens for a reason and that with a limited perspective you're not in a position to make any judgements about events whose reasons are hidden from your current perspective.

so for me the end result is this - i know that everything people judge as "negative" is an equally valid expression of the creator and that i'm not in a position to judge the creator (ultimately, myself) because my perspective at this point is still limited. i ask myself this, "why should i worry about ANYTHING if i'm unaware of the reason why it happens?". i happen to know for a fact that worry and similar things create disharmony in me and i prefer the feeling of harmony and coherence, and so i choose not to worry because ultimately all this worrying does is create disharmony and chaos in myself and thus increases what i was worrying about in the first place because the outside is just a reflection of the inside (law of attraction etc.) makes sense?

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Calleman

... is no longer credible.

as mentioned in one of my previous posts, i agree, at least in terms of his date. his theory is nevertheless correct, imo.

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by buckminster fuller (here)
I'd like to ask a few simple questions on top of that statement:

How is our potential expressed if there is "nothing to be concerned about" ?
What meaning to life, to creation would it bring about ?
What's the room left for creativity, for co-creation if all is due and all is answered ?

i hope my previous post answers your questions. what really matters is "how does what i do/feel influence or change myself?"

what you need to realize is that the source is INSIDE and the reflection is OUTSIDE. so by worrying about the reflection you increase the "disharmony" inside which creates more to worry about outside.

when, on the other hand, you stop worrying and simply accept whatever happens as part of the divine plan you create harmony and coherence inside (the source) and subsequently the outside (the reflection) becomes more harmonious as well. the law of attraction expresses this.

have you noticed that certain "negative" things only happen in your life (repeatedly) until you learned a lesson? could that be the purpose of "negativity", to teach us something? is that a bad thing?

[greybeard]

David Icke more or less said stop playing the game.
Many of the "problems" of the world have been caused by people trying to fix it.
Gandhi through non-violence brought about positive change in India.
In essence we raise out personal vibration by letting go of anger, frustration, judging and negative emotions then we raise the vibration of all.
The actions that tend to fuel fear and frustration are diminished by raising of consciousness.
That is why David Icke, Marcel Messing and other say that what the so called "controllers" fear most is an awakening spiritually of the masses.
In a spiritually high vibration world selfish egoistic actions are not possible.
In the words of one sage " love all serve all"
"Be the change we want to see."
Chris
Namaste (I greet the God in you)