Free Energy?! No way in hell!

[amadeus]

yes i noticed your awareness wade and i am impressed
let me get into your flow and hopefully i may be useful
thanks for the background
will read before i post

[Wade Frazier]

Happy reading Amadeus. I am sure that you can make good contributions to the threads.

Best,

Wade

[Gardener]

Oh MAN, my life is in chaos, I spend so much time reflecting about what you guys are saying I am getting nothing done! How can I fit into what is left of my existence, all that is coming up here AND do the ironing; the cleaning; work the garden; feed the chickens; cook meals; stay up all night to listen to excellent interviews (here) o and work sometimes.

Life could be so much simpler!

I am not going to go there, but it is where I want to go sometimes especially when I feel the effects of age and gravity combined.

Ok rant over back to ironing.......................
g

Edit:This post is somewhat tongue in cheek but it is real for me and maybe it is so for others.

[amadeus]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
Happy reading Amadeus. I am sure that you can make good contributions to the threads.

Best,

Wade

you felt familiar and i complement your comprehensive awareness of topic (s)
i had already utilized off line your energetic prompts (this thread) and confirm material effects manifesting in the direction i am certain meet with your approval
very nice to know you directly
thank you

[amadeus]

Posted by amadeus (here)

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
Happy reading Amadeus. I am sure that you can make good contributions to the threads.

Best,

Wade

you felt familiar and i complement your comprehensive awareness of topic (s)
i had already utilized off line your energetic prompts (this thread) and confirm material effects manifesting in the direction i am certain meet with your approval
very nice to know you directly
thank you

oh

what i am utilizing is the archetype mara ( fear)
that was the prompt you provided

[CdnSirian]

Hi Gardener. Have appreciated all your posts. Nothing enlightening to say to this one except--I get it! The only thing I have learned how to do is to simply acknowledge "O.K., I don't want THIS, so what do I want?" And activate the imagination. Not easy all the time, but works. Love your garden!

[Ernie Nemeth]

Very eye-opening, indeed.
This thread is three times the length of the positive visions thread. Now I understand how my frustrations at no one contributing or expanding on my vision threads, or any of the other posts I have made, in an effort to start an intelligent conversation on this topic. I often make this mistake. I believe others can stay on track, remain open and feel the gist of a line of inquiry - even when it opposes their own views.
Sadly, this is not the case.
I have months ago voiced my negative thoughts in this regard without a single comment being offered in reply. My Joe Blow posts in particular were for the express intention of starting just this topic of conversation. I was met with stark silence and shock.

Beyond that, I can only say that I am far beyond the fear of FE. Just as I am beyond the fear of The Most High. I fear this world and where this world is heading. That's what I fear. And I fear that the ignorance of the masses will prevail - that I fear above all else.

Free Energy is not free unless we are free. And to understand what that means is to have developed an intimate connection to freedom itself. Before that can be achieved, a definition of freedom must be derived from personal searching, not by looking it up in a dictionary or by listening to someone else's notions about it.

Lastly, in this world there is no space left for silence. The human brain has been conditioned to question, seek, then answer - as if the answer was some place other than where the question was posed. Thoughts scurry around in our minds and fill every moment, every experience, every emotion. We have no space, no leeway, no way out. The answers we seek are in the silence, where the "I" dissolves and thoughts cease. There is only one relationship and it has no "I" in its perview. Understand but this and fear becomes impossible in any form.

Thank you.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

What will hapen if a mafia group (but not of government origin) will get its hand on FE technology? Will they be transformed by this technology in a positive way or will they abuse it for personal gain?

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Robert:

The people really running the show are not from the government. Government is just a tool that they use. The good stuff has been privatized, and is not in the hands of the world’s governments. One term that I have seen used for the Big Boys is “Highly Organized Crime.” They make the Mafia look like schoolboys. It does not look like they have been transformed by those technologies. I have heard “funny” stories, however, about how they have tried to subvert some of the ET technologies. The most advanced technologies are inherently benevolent, so the Big Boys have had a real problem making them work how they want them too. For instance, I once heard of one where a pilot can get into a certain cockpit, and in his hands is the power to vaporize a city. But what also comes with sitting in the cockpit is a loving awareness and some kind of instant enlightenment, so that the pilot acquires great power in the cockpit, but also he acquires the insight so that he would never use that power to harm anything. The Big Boys have tried all sorts of diabolical ways to overcome that failsafe, such as soul-erasure techniques to create the pilot who can use that technology as a weapon. I don’t think that they figured out how to do it yet.

The premise for Ender’s Game, where some children destroy a distant species but are deceived into thinking that they are playing a game, is not as fictional as some might think.

When Greer talks about the Big Boys, he won’t talk about a lot of what they do, because it would curl people’s hair to hear a fraction of it. The dark path is dark indeed, and they are running the show, although they are fractured these days.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#cabal

And they will not be defeated in battle, certainly not by the public. Love is the only antidote to the darkness, not battle. In our cowboy movie world, however, few want to hear that. But I am looking for those who do.

We will see.

Best,

Wade

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)

And they will not be defeated in battle, certainly not by the public. Love is the only antidote to the darkness, not battle. In our cowboy movie world, however, few want to hear that. But I am looking for those who do.

Well put Wade, the usual "Thank You" below an appreciated post was insufficient in this case.

Cheers,
Fred

[CdnSirian]

Myself and some associates were envisioning Heaven On Earth thirty years ago. We couldn't imagine what is progressing now, at that time, as far as FE goes--yet we strongly felt the outcome. Nor did we know the details of the controlled illusion we lived in, though we sensed it, and that it was all encompassing. Eventually, the internet arrived and information began to circulate. While we charged at windmills for a few years, we gained experience and knowledge, and we lost in some areas, financially, career-wise and the like.

I recall that the Canadian Nam Jal Rimpoche published a small book, calling for a quantum jump by humanity. I see this coming to pass, and now the "lost years" take on a different, new significance.

Thanks all, it's a delight and a privilege to commune.

(Wish I were more articulate and heart-felt sounding like many of you!).

[Wade Frazier]

Hi CdnSirian:

Yes, I think that we all have had “lost years” on this journey, but we were not as lost as it might have seemed. It is all part of the process. Waking up here is not easy.

Best,

Wade

[Elly]

I was wondering... with FE giving us the possibility to choose to live anywhere, how can the influx of people to a "desired area" such as a beachfront or a lakefront can be managed. Sometimes I feel I get it, and then other times, I feel like I just have no idea.

[CdnSirian]

Posted by Cara (here)
I was wondering... with FE giving us the possibility to choose to live anywhere, how can the influx of people to a "desired area" such as a beachfront or a lakefront can be managed. Sometimes I feel I get it, and then other times, I feel like I just have no idea.

Hi Cara. I think that with FE, the pressure will go off so many aspects of living that it will simply make sense, and be comfortable, to share the "good stuff". Beach fronts, mountain views and all that. The existential angst will lift. The 20th Century flashes before me - the depression of a Jean Paul Sartre, the suicide of a Spaulding Grey, the drinking to death of a Jack Kerouac - to reflect on a few--

"If dogs run free, then why not me.." Bob Dylan. I'll skip the Leonard Cohen and Lou Reed lines that are flipping through my brain.

Your comment inspired a a rampage of associations--thanks!--With FE, I think we'll be all we can be! I know, sounds silly.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Cara:

Like CdnSirian stated, the world will change very radically, and the thing that we have to be the most careful of is projecting our scarcity-based awareness onto the situation, and that scarcity-based perspective is baked so deeply that it is almost invisible, and that is why almost nobody on Earth today is even able to simply imagine abundance. All of today’s dominant ideologies are scarcity-based:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

and projecting their scarcity-based assumptions on onto FE one of the greatest pitfalls that I see with the “fear of FE” crowd:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level5

When you think of all the fearful outcomes, or everybody crowding onto the North Shore of Oahu or what have you, that is a very scarcity-based way of looking at it. When people talk of “good land,” if you think about what makes it “good,” it is almost always some energy/resource issue. With FE, the underlying assumptions simply evaporate. This is all part of the FE conundrum, and that is why threads like this:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...by-Free-Energy

are very good work, because they get people really thinking about how their world works, how energy scarcity shapes almost all aspects of our existences, and how energy abundance radically changes the game, in ways that can be hard to imagine. Population pressures are all about energy scarcity. There won’t be population pressures, or environmental pressures, in a world based on FE, especially if we are enlightened about it. And we probably can’t make FE happen unless we are enlightened, so what it takes to get there also ensures that we wisely handle it when it comes. That is a big reason why I advocate the lamb’s path.

Best,

Wade

[Elly]

I see how this will not be a problem when the perspective of all humanity changes from "self-serving" to "serving to the whole". But the transition phase worries me. It is doubtful that all individuals will switch at once from a scarcity-based paradigm to an abundance one. Wouldn't there be a period of conflicting views? I'm just presenting my fears here which are not the same as my heart's desires.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Cara,

I actually think that such a "switch" can happen , in a matter of days. I believe that human nature is inherently good and loving, and living in abundance will let that nature shine.

The skeptics will quickly understand that their way of living is not serving them. You'd have to be pretty stubborn not to see how Free Energy is improving conditions around you, and to still insist on paying for it

There will be no "conflicting views" because you would need two opposing forces to have conflict. Those following the Free Energy path will not oppose those that choose to wait a while longer. They'll eventually come around once they see the advantages for themselves.

[zebowho]

Exactly Ilie, the transition will take care of itself, conflicting views and all. No need for "us to worry". Abundance is for you, its for me which = Us! Plus, I believe once this happens, where we've hit or surpassed the 8-10k choir (simply hits a tipping point), the transition will happen so fast that there will be no time to "think about it".

Everyone will have their own "beach" Cara. Some will call it a mountain, some will call it a desert, a forest or even a swamp and a beach too. The point is once this is moving there will be no stopping it and conflicting views will be quickly righted by this simple equation:

Do you intend - or - Do you Not intend.

to have good health
to be happy
to have abundant/healthy food
to have peace
to have sadness
to have anger
to have peace for your family/community/country etc.
to share insights
to share interests
to give love
to give compassion
to lend integrity
to heal yourself/others, the planet
to provide for other life
to provide for those that don't have yet
etc, etc!

We have the power to create from our intentions and I'm increasingly seeing that happen closer to real time as every day passes and that True freedom to create instantly will be accessible to all once FE is ushered in. Creation will become as an everyday human capacity as breathing and requiring nothing more than intent+imagination.

:D, apologies Robert, I guess this post isn't quite in line with the thread title but I had to post.

Chad

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Cara:

This is the thread for dealing with fears of FE, so you are doing it in the right place. You are dealing with facets of the conundrum, but the hard part is not everybody wanting to live on the same beach. The hard part is right now, when almost nobody can even imagine that FE exists and, more importantly, what can come with it.

Again, I am doing what I can to fertilize the ground for FE. If I can get that choir going, it can shape how FE happens, as well as catalyzing its appearance. I am not kidding. As I have said many times, average people will believe that FE is possible when it is delivered to their homes:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

That is why rushing out to tell your family and friends is such a loser right now. They are all asleep. If you are awake to this stuff, you are less than one-in-a-thousand in the general population. If you find a family member or friend who actually listens to FE talk, it almost certainly will not be because they groove to the idea, but because it is you saying it. Once you walk out of the room, the TV is turned back to Dancing with the Stars or a sporting event. And that is where they are today. That is never easy to accept, but it is the reality of the world that we live in.

However, and this is a big however, once FE is delivered to their homes, it is going to be a huge mind-boggler, and with efforts like the one I am planning to mount, people are going to quickly grasp that it is one heck of a lot bigger than not paying the local utility company or international oil company for their energy. I am reminded of when the Wright brothers first flew. They were not only ignored for five years by the world’s media, they were actively ridiculed:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#wright

When they flew in Paris in 1908, in their first large public demonstration, there was a gasp of amazement from the crowd as the plane took off. Nobody had to convince those people of the reality of manned flight anymore. The world became a lot smaller with man-powered flight.

I give a nod to transition fears in my work, such as that global peacekeeping force of grandmothers:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#weapons

The fears are not all unfounded, but people are so conditioned to live in fear that any potential change to their lives is met with fear. But when you really think about it, it is always a scarcity-based reaction. I have written it many times at Avalon; people have all carved out their little niche of hell, and all they can see that Heaven on Earth could bring them is the loss of their niche. It is tempting to call such reactions stupid, and stupidity is certainly part of it, but it is the same stupidity that believes that the invasion of Iraq was to liberate them, and so on. It is a willful stupidity. People buy the BS because it feeds them. Once people can see that there is no need to believe the self-serving lies anymore, I highly doubt that they will want to. In the end, it comes down to what we think human nature is. I have a higher opinion of it than the neo-Malthusians do:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm

Maybe they are right, but to turn their backs on FE because of their fears about it is one the most short-sighted perspectives that I have ever encountered, especially coming from such educated and even thoughtful people. It took me many years to see that they were addicted to scarcity, and Fuller’s work helped me see it more clearly:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

Nobody can overestimate the impact of FE. The Big Boys know this well. That is why Dennis was offered a billion dollars to go away:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

and almost nobody on Earth can even believe that people could be made offers like that, much less turn them down, such are humanity’s puny conceptions these days.

The world will change so radically that I can barely imagine what it will do, and I have been living with its potential for about half of my life. What I do know is this: almost every objection to FE that I have ever heard of is obviously projecting scarcity-based fears onto a situation of abundance. It is like debating the virtues of the various brands of buggy whips in about 1900, before cars came to dominate. The entire buggy-whip conversation faded to oblivion. Almost all of the fear of FE talk, and even the fear of the transition talk, would quickly evaporate. Will there be problems of implementation? Sure there will be, but they will be fun problems to solve. Here is a way to imagine it, a very real way.

Imagine that there are a hundred people in a community. There is enough food-growing capability to sustain seventy people at a comfortable dietary intake, or the hundred can all live around the starvation level. Similarly, the local resources can provide enough building materials to house fifty of them comfortably, but the hundred are almost sleeping on top of each other. In that world of not enough, there are going to be many restrictions, both culturally and baked into their “laws.” There will be disputes over who gets how much food, how much living space each person gets, and so on.

Then imagine that suddenly, one day, the ability appeared so that the local food supply could feed a thousand people, and whatever they wanted to eat, and the ability to comfortably house a thousand people appeared. How long do you think people would fight over who got the most food or the nicest dwelling? Ten minutes? A whole hour?

That is one of the things that FE would make very clear in the opening minutes of its reality. The really big transformations would be a ways down the road, but they would quickly be seen as feasible. Right now, energy scarcity makes almost all Utopian dreams a pointless fantasy. All imagined Utopias until now have been based on shared austerity. No wonder nobody wanted to sign up for them, or they proved unworkable. But a Utopia based on abundance…who would not sign up for it? The self-flagellators?

Anyway, be careful of projecting scarcity-based assumptions onto an abundance-based situation. I see it all the time, and I see it as the equivalent of arguing about buggy whips in an impending age of space ships.

As Chad says, don’t be worried about there only being so much beach. The ways that we look at what is desirable will change dramatically. We can make our paradises and take them with us, if we want. I can see floating islands with perfect reefs for the best surfing waves, if the surfers need to do that, and so on. Many of today’s sports would disappear, because they are based on competing and winning, which have deep historical roots in a world of scarcity. Competing to become the ultimate winner will be seen as silly before long.

Gotta go to work now.

Best,

Wade

[ulli]

Maybe a hundred years ago people who weren't yet connected to an electricity grid
also voiced objections and fears of getting those lights turned on.
My dad was a young farmer in the north of Germany when he got fed up
feeding one cow at a time... holding a storm lantern in one hand and the pitch fork with the hay in the other...
walking in the dark, and there it gets dark in the winter at around 4 pm....
And then one day, when the last cables had been installed, and the big moment came
SWITCH ON
and everything was illumined. All the cows...visible at once.
My jaw dropped as he told us kids the story.