Biblical Heretic Paul the Herodian and Edomite

[Unified Serenity]

Paul of Tarsus claimed to be an apostle turned Jesus' teachings around. There are some great papers online about what was really going on in the struggle to control the early "church". I am looking for one that deals with how Luke along with a few other Apostles was surreptitiously trying to warn people about Paul and calling him a liar. In my search for that paper, I came across these two videos that are quite interesting. I will keep looking for the info I originally was seeking, but wanted to share these for now.

You see, I think the problem with Christianity is the perverted message within it. We have Paul countering the very principles laid out by Jesus and the Tanach. Obviously, that message won't work with Jews, and those grafted in then find no reason to truly embrace the way of Jesus the ultimate Jew who obeyed the law, kept the feasts of the Lord, and commanded his followers to do the same. So, I offer these two interesting videos. I am sure most Christians will not appreciate this as it is hard to imagine that 95% of the New Testament is written by a wolf in sheep's clothing. By the way, Paul was from the tribe of Benjamin whom his father said is a ravening wolf.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IXeSikN4Ci0

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mpd4IAhrKoA

Oh, and I had never heard this about Bacon and Shakespeare and found this info online which I will have to be reading to find out more:

http://thelostsecretofwilliamshakesp...D_EVIDENCE.pdf

[Lord Sidious]

There is a book called Jesus, Prophet of Islam.
There is a lot of info about him in that book that I never saw in christian sources.

[RedeZra]

is there a problem with Paul ?


the Jews are under the intricate Jewish laws

not the Greeks not the Romans not any other nations not even Christians


Jesus who was a Jew of course observed the intricate Jewish laws

but the purpose of Jesus was to bring God to the gentiles

and every heart who will receive the Paraclete or Spirit of Truth

whom He would send to His Disciples and from there to the whole world after He ascended to heaven


"But I tell you the truth: it is expedient to you that I go: for if I go not, the Paraclete will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you." - John 16:7


those who recieve the Holy Spirit are not under Jewish laws

but convicted and guided by the Spirit Himself



it is possible to grieve and ignore this Spirit of Truth for He is gentle and not forceful

but those who delights in His counsel are under guardian Grace and not laborers under Jewish laws

[truth4me]

good find......

[Unified Serenity]

I think the video addresses all your points RedEzra. It raises some very interesting facts, and the sites I shared offer more very interesting insights as well.

[Unified Serenity]

Here is a very interesting interview with Dr. Scott Mcquate. He covers a lot of the topics many are interested in here at Avalon like Nibiru, Tiamat, Serpents, religious lies, Annunaki, Israel, Bankers, the plan of the elites, and what we are about to experience here on earth.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EqwWnAkg50M

[Seikou-Kishi]

Excellent video, Unified Serenity. Most interesting. I am surprised that you have not had a backlash from more sensitive people. I would only say that anybody who is Christian is surely loyal to the teacher and not to the teaching; if the teaching can be edited but you are loyal to the teacher, it is incumbent upon you to restore the original, not to entrench yourself in denial.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)
Excellent video, Unified Serenity. Most interesting. I am surprised that you have not had a backlash from more sensitive people. I would only say that anybody who is Christian is surely loyal to the teacher and not to the teaching; if the teaching can be edited but you are loyal to the teacher, it is incumbent upon you to restore the original, not to entrench yourself in denial.

Hi Seikou-Kishi,

Did you get to watch the videos? What was your impression of them? My post is not to cause pain or turmoil, but to examine a very important topic that is rarely addressed because is it so volitile and can get out of hand so fast. I like to stick to facts, original languages, known history, and I spend hours digging it up. Paul has always been a problem for me because he said the opposite of what Jesus said, and the more I have studied over the years, the worse it has become to now realize that just as the sons of Cain had to infiltrate the house of Judah and cause them (The Jews) much turmoil, so must they infiltrate the path of righteousness and cause the people to walk in error, and what better way to conquer a people than to make them think they are free? The elite have a plan, they are moving every day closer to it's fulfillment, and unless people wake up, prepare to not be overcome in fear when the time comes to choose whom they will serve, and trust me, there will be a choice, then for most it will be a very painful time.

Truth can be very simple for me. In the argument of is the bible even important, I won't engage therein. The bible has much truth and historical verification. I am not going to argue whether or not there is a God, if Jesus was the son of God or a prophet or even ever born. I am interested in signs and events we are now seeing. Were they foretold to us? Is there evidence of a systematic plan to carry out what is foretold? For me, we cover a lot of those topics within this forum about what is happening in government, science, pharma, and such. So, in looking at all that data, ancient history, peoples and what they say, we see parallels to the bible.

The church has had a major impact on the world, and for many here it has not been a good impact. I can say that about all world religions really. There's good and bad within them all. But, Christianity has been a dominant religion for eons now. How much of a bombshell is it if one of the key players within Christianity can be shown to be nothing more than one of the Elite Master Builders just like the elites of today who needed to take over Banking, Government, Media, Medicine, Food, Education ... if this Master Builder is nothing more than a liar who derailed the truth in it's infancy? For some to really read what the bible says. To really examine the passages, Jesus' words and the Apostles compared to Paul. The links I provided are easy to read, the vids are easy to watch. You may find that your problems are not with Jesus and his "religion", but with Paul and his elite agenda that negates the word of God.


In Revelation there are 12 Apostles spoken of as the foundations and Paul is not one of the 12. Paul has caused a lot of trouble with his twisting the true message of Jesus and the plan of God within the bible. Just look up who the twelve Apostles were that Jesus picked and the one replaced upon Judas' death. Paul never met Jesus, he did not get instructed by Jesus, he did not witness Jesus ministry, life, death, and resurrection, so he cannot be an Apostle. And yet, we are to simply take his word for it that he was chosen by Jesus to be the Apostle to the Gentiles despite Jesus choosing Peter earlier. For me, there is abundant evidence that Paul derailed the true message and has caused untold damage to be done in the name of Jesus / Yeshua.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I did. I considered them very compelling. I've even dug out a bible with the resolution to re-read it bearing the videos' insights in mind.

I am reminded that the classical image of a battle of good vs evil could never really happen, because 'evil' is deceptive and any such war would be asymmetric. Those on the 'good side' are simple, up-front and so expect everyone else to be the same, and that's exactly what the 'evil side' relies on, secrecy, deceit, and all their cloaks and daggers. When I look at the story of Paul (incidentally, Paulus is Latin for 'small', which strikes me as the same kind of neurotic and false humility with which the pope calls himself the 'the servant of the servants of God'), there does seem to be very much about him that, in political terms, we would call a fifth column: he started out as an enemy, had an apparent change of heart and then worked his way up through the ranks.

[58andfixed]

These are new to me Unified Serenity, and I suspect there will only be more resources yet to be published and produced about even more perspectives to do with falsehoods in Bibles and Organized Religion.

Two resources that did me well were:

1. "The Dawn of Conscience" by James Henry Breasted (1933)

http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/dawn.php

"How many modern clergymen, requested to preach before some convention of business men, have taken as text the quotation from the Book of Proverbs "Seest thou a man diligent in business, he shall stand before kings"?"

"It is not likely that any such clergyman ever prefaced his sermon with the observation that this text was taken by the Hebrew editor of Proverbs from a much older Egyptian book or moral wisdom."

"This discovery has added profound significance to the fact that civilized development in the countries surrounding Palestine was several thousand years earlier than that of the Hebrews."

"It is now quite evident that the ripe social and moral development of mankind in the Nile Valley, which is three thousand years older than that of the Hebrews, contributed essentially to the formation of the literature which we call the Old Testament."

*****

2. "The Oxford Companion to the Bible" by Bruce M. Metzger (Editor) & Michael D. Coogan (Editor)



http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/oxfo...ger/1100535353

"[700 entries] written by more than 250 scholars from some 20 nations and embracing a wide variety of perspectives, the Companion offers over seven hundred entries, ranging from brief identifications—who is Dives?"

"where is Pisgah?"

"—to extensive interpretive essays on topics such as the influence of the Bible on music or law."

*****

These are conservative approaches to do with the historical evidence for the mortal construction of Bibles.

Certainly I have added more to my library, for the chorus grows bigger, and different voices sing with different keys & tones.

- 58

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

My post is not to cause pain or turmoil, but to examine a very important topic that is rarely addressed because is it so volatile and can get out of hand so fast.

I like to stick to facts, original languages, known history, and I spend hours digging it up.

[HORIZONS]

In Paul you can see both the hard core Jewish zealot and the Mystic he became after his conversion. If you study the books attributed to him in chronological order you can see this progression being worked out in his life, and his own personal struggle with his human nature verses the spiritual/mystical ideologies - and identity - he strived towards. Remember: it is the Spirit of the message that gives life, not the letter.

[modwiz]

I am of the opinion that Paul was a lot more comfortable with the "Christianity' he was cultivating. There is a reason James, the brother of Jesus and Paul were at odds. Paul was being creative. I think Paul wanted considerable distance from Judaism because he was gay, and that was a death sentence in his old Pharisaic religion. Jesus had nothing to say about it. It clearly did not matter to him.

I went to seminary, Interfaith, school with a few gay men. I asked if they thought Paul was gay and the reply was, "If you have to ask?"

[HORIZONS]

Posted by modwiz (here)
I am of the opinion that Paul was a lot more comfortable with the "Christianity' he was cultivating. There is a reason James, the brother of Jesus and Paul were at odds. Paul was being creative. I think Paul wanted considerable distance from Judaism because he was gay, and that was a death sentence in his old Pharisaic religion. Jesus had nothing to say about it. It clearly did not matter to him.

I went to seminary, Interfaith, school with a few gay men. I asked if they thought Paul was gay and the reply was, "If you have to ask?"

Yes, I have heard this before too, I don't know if he was gay but he did distance himself from companionship with women - and advised others to do the same if they wanted to follow him into the deep things of his Spiritual understanding.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by HORIZONS (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
I am of the opinion that Paul was a lot more comfortable with the "Christianity' he was cultivating. There is a reason James, the brother of Jesus and Paul were at odds. Paul was being creative. I think Paul wanted considerable distance from Judaism because he was gay, and that was a death sentence in his old Pharisaic religion. Jesus had nothing to say about it. It clearly did not matter to him.

I went to seminary, Interfaith, school with a few gay men. I asked if they thought Paul was gay and the reply was, "If you have to ask?"

Yes, I have heard this before too, I don't know if he was gay but he did distance himself from companionship with women - and advised others to do the same if they wanted to follow him into the deep things of his Spiritual understanding.

Ok, so to get into deep spirituality, you distance yourself from those that bore you?
Ok.
That is like the jedi claiming to understand the force when all they studied was one side.

[eaglespirit]

...bringing Montalk's current update here, seems fitting:

http://montalk.net/notes/on-the-historicity-of-jesus

Therefore we must turn to the sayings, teachings, and parables that predate the writing of the New Testament. Scholars have given these a name: the “Q” source (Q for Quelle, German word for “source”, thus a generic title) which is a hypothesized document containing the original sayings of Jesus. Of course it’s ridiculous to think it had to be a document since it could just as well have been a secret oral tradition. In any case, the closest thing we have to the “Q” source is the Gospel of Thomas, which is a collection of the purported sayings of Jesus. There is some dispute over when it was written. Even if written later, the content indicates it is a setting down of an older oral tradition.

Over 80% of the Gospel of Thomas can be found distributed throughout the New Testament, but padded and deviated with the aforementioned artifices. The Gospel of Thomas contains all the meat and none of the dressing found in the New Testament. It is fundamentally subversive to the religious power structure, and it is of Gnostic disposition, including the 80% that are in the Bible. Thus the New Testament contains a Gnostic nucleus. The rest contains a mix of genuine wisdom from other sources and corruption with malicious intent.

The historical context and timing of these teachings, as well as their spiritual content and direction, says something about the role of the original Jesus Christ. It’s very similar to the role of other avatars such as Gautama Buddha. As I proposed in my Gnosis series, Jesus was an advanced soul who incarnated as a human in order to become a living vessel for a higher divine intelligence. There is a difference between Jesus the man and Christ the higher consciousness that became active in him, and can become active in us. The end goal of his legacy was for each of us to do likewise, and that is the basis of Gnostic belief. It was his intent that we follow in his example and succeed him, whereas the corrupted version of Christianity demands we remain in his shadow on our knees.

The Gnostics, more than any other sect in history, have suffered the greatest and harshest persecution by the Church. It is both ironic and expected that those who were closest to the original Christian teachings would become the greatest targets of those who hijacked the teachings. The greatest threat to any simulacrum is the original.

[CdnSirian]

I am not a biblical scholar, but did have some eye opening in a short course I took a few years ago, using the book by Bishop John Shelby Spong "Rescuing The Bible From Fundamentalism". It covers the various creation myths, which get recycled over and over again. Yet the most prolonged discussions in this class were focused on Paul and his re-working of Jesus' message. Noting that none of the New Testament books were written until over three hundred years after Jesus died.

Also noting that the Old Testament was also re-written many times by the Judaic priests, and the current version of the Old Testament was written around 200 A.D. Very provocative book.

Have not completed the 2 hr + footage above, will continue now and pray for no interruptions.

Oh, P.S., completely different story on the writing of the Bible in one of the Jordan Maxwell interviews with Kerry and Bill. Takes St. Paul, and all the others right out of the loop. So much data - so little time!

[HORIZONS]

There is a difference between Jesus the man and Christ the higher consciousness that became active in him, and can become active in us.

When Jesus said "Of my own self I can do nothing" he was speaking of his natural Adamic-consciousness: When he stated "I am the resurrection and the life", he was speaking of his Christ-consciousness. This is not a contradiction, but rather an understanding of who He really was.

Paul meant the same thing in the statement: "I can do all things through Christ."

[HORIZONS]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by HORIZONS (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
I am of the opinion that Paul was a lot more comfortable with the "Christianity' he was cultivating. There is a reason James, the brother of Jesus and Paul were at odds. Paul was being creative. I think Paul wanted considerable distance from Judaism because he was gay, and that was a death sentence in his old Pharisaic religion. Jesus had nothing to say about it. It clearly did not matter to him.

I went to seminary, Interfaith, school with a few gay men. I asked if they thought Paul was gay and the reply was, "If you have to ask?"

Yes, I have heard this before too, I don't know if he was gay but he did distance himself from companionship with women - and advised others to do the same if they wanted to follow him into the deep things of his Spiritual understanding.

Ok, so to get into deep spirituality, you distance yourself from those that bore you?
Ok.
That is like the jedi claiming to understand the force when all they studied was one side.

That was his viewpoint - not an absolute - as is most things.

advised others to do the same if they wanted to follow him into the deep things of his Spiritual understanding.

[Beren]

Sidious,

there is only one power and that is Creator.

Force is lower than power and is used in polarity as good Vs. bad.

P.S.
When you `re going to return/hand down that light sabre ?
Or do you use exclusively sheer force?

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Beren (here)
Sidious,

there is only one power and that is Creator.

Force is lower than power and is used in polarity as good Vs. bad.

P.S.
When you `re going to return/hand down that light sabre ?
Or do you use exclusively sheer force?

I was using that as an example.
And I keep the lightsabre handy at all times, just in case that little green communist surfaces again.