Mission . . . Convert a Lifelong Meat Eater

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Chia...Another useful plant to grow:

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[HORIZONS]

The best way I personally know of for converting a meat eater is to have them to kill everything that they themselves eat. When I had to kill my own food I quit eating meat, but I can pull a carrot or pluck some fruit with no problem. There is something about an animal looking you in the eye in total fear, as it tries to get away from you screaming for its life, that has a powerful effect. Remember the movie Powder? Well I can attest that that works for all animals, not just deer. Make a connection to an animal - kill it - then try to eat it! If that doesn't work maybe ascension will, or being supper for ET

[WhiteFeather]

Blufire and Lord Sidious are both on the path to Vegetarianism hopefully. WoW.....Now That's Alright!!!!!

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
Chia seeds have an amazingly long shelf life when stored in their natural, dry state. Unlike flax seeds which have a highly impenetrable outer shell, requiring them to be ground into a meal that can turn rancid rather quickly, chia seeds can be stored and eaten just as they are for their full benefits.

I have no way to measure this, but I recall reading once something I suspect is accurate: chia seeds are better absorbed if cracked before consuming. I use an old burr coffee grinder on coarse setting on my chia seeds just before consuming them, if I can. It seems to crack each seed into 2 or 3 parts (chia seeds are already quite small to start with.)

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
Blufire and Lord Sidious are both on the path to Vegetarianism hopefully. WoW.....Now That's Alright!!!!!

I am happy with it, let me tell you.
I had someone eat chicken in front of me last night and I wasn't even tempted, even though I love chicken.

[WhiteFeather]

You go Me Lord, You Can Do It, and then you can evolve/metamorphosise into a new primitive alien like myself soon. This is where it starts. Look mom no meat!

[mahalall]

Sounds like a nice set up; a couple of thoughts arose

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kYMbK4pMYNo

celtic link: hazel nuts-quick growing fuel source for that wood burner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel

[Patrikas]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
Blufire and Lord Sidious are both on the path to Vegetarianism hopefully. WoW.....Now That's Alright!!!!!

I am happy with it, let me tell you.
I had someone eat chicken in front of me last night and I wasn't even tempted, even though I love chicken.

Nice to see your looking at Nuggets in a diffrent way .stay well

[blufire]

Horizons, I have released the life force from many animal’s physical body not only for my food but, as well as, to end their suffering.

I don’t think many even here on PA will understand what I am about to say.

My great grandmother who to me was a “mountain wise woman”, she was also called a “hedge witch”, many here would have called her a female “shaman”. Whatever you want to call her she by far was the most spiritual, gifted, wisdom filled, amazing woman I have ever met . . . . and I have yet to meet anyone who could do the things she did.

She was my teacher as well as my granny and I carry her with me always.

One of the most important life events she taught me was to “release an animal’s spirit”.

I will not go into details because it will disrespect and dishonor the depth of the meaning of such an event.

With the release of another’s soul comes with great responsibility

Granny taught me that with each soul you personally release you will carry its imprint always and even into your next realms.

So she carefully instructed me on the ritual that is involved so that the imprints I carry with me are beautiful and respectful and honoring.

Above all she taught me to first never personally fear death because that is the imprint that will reflect back into my own soul.

I can still remember her asking me, “youngun er ya afeerd of passn' inta the veil?

So yes . . .I have personally “killed” many animals.

And yes I have looked deeply into their eyes and melded with them

And it is not fear that I see.

And is with great respect humbleness and honor that I eat what remains after the soul is released.



Post Thought:

The even vaguely closest example to what I am talking about in the spiritual release of animals’ soul is in the movie Cold Mountain. Jude Law’s character in the movie comes across an ancient looking gypsy woman. She “kills” a young goat to feed and heal him. Watch it . . . . you will get somewhat of an understanding what I’m trying to say. This old woman reminded me very much of my granny.

[DNA]

I don't know Bluefire, apparently vegans are endowed with super powers, maybe it could help out with all that hard work.
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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vqqGZBRBLcM

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But beware,,,,,if you are caught commiting veganity violations,,,,the vegan police will come and take your vegan powers away.
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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8

[karelia]

My first question would be why do you want to be a vegetarian? I didn't see a reason in your original post.

I'm only a few years younger than you. I grew up in Northern Europe, Germany to be precise. In those days, it was normal for most families to live on vegetables and potatoes/grain from Monday to Thursday, fish on Friday, soup on Saturday, and meat roast with vegetables and potatoes on Sunday. The exception were those who worked physically hard; they would have meat perhaps three times a week.

When we came here to the US the first time, in late 1997, we were shocked at the sizes of meals in restaurants. One plate could easily feed a family of three in Europe, and us Europeans were by no means starving or undernourished.

I've been living the vegetarian way for a number of years. My daughter, at six months old, taught me to simply go by heart, and my heart then said no to meat, so I followed that path, at the time with no thinking about grocery stores, local foods, or the like. That worry came later, and I tried ever since to incorporate new learnings into my lifestyle, such as buying local, staying away from corporations, buying directly from farms, growing food on the balcony, etc.

More recently, I realised why I don't eat meat: I do not want to be responsible for any death, and each time I would eat meat, I would be responsible for an animal's death. But that's me. I have one take on it, and a hundred others will have a hundred other takes on it.

Which brings me to my initial question: why are you asking that question? Do you want to be vegetarian? If so, why? Is it a spiritual issue? Is it a practical one? If so, have you thought about drying beef into jerky? You can chew on it all winter long; it won't lose its flavor or potency.

[blufire]

Not yet my friend. The point of this thread is for you to convert me. . . . . .

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
Blufire and Lord Sidious are both on the path to Vegetarianism hopefully. WoW.....Now That's Alright!!!!!

[blufire]

karelia, You didn’t see a reason on why I want to maybe become a vegetarian because this is not the reason for my thread. The point or reason is for you to CONVERT to being a vegetarian.

I tried to carefully outline who I am (physically) and my lifestyle and my goals. The question I put to PA is how someone like me would be able to convert and maintain a vegetarian lifestyle.

It is interesting to me that if the highly charged emotional reasons for being vegan, vegetarian or raw food diet is removed the discussion pretty much stops. I’m curious why members who generally come into similar threads (jagman’s threads comes to mind) have not entered into the discussion or added valuable input.

I have entered a new phase or chapter in my life in where I am diligently trying to implement what I have learned on PA and in my own personal growth. This requires deep reorganizing of the foundation my entire way of life.

I have taken deep to heart many of Bill’s testimonials (and others) on what we have done as a species to our planet and our responsibility of doing our part to clean it up. It will take generations, but we have to start somewhere.

I cannot change entire corporations, governments or giant slow moving massive century old agendas. But I CAN start with ME and my immediate environment and responsibilities. I can carefully tear apart every seam of my last 52 years and make a new pattern that perhaps the next generations can successfully follow.

And so one of those very important seams is . . . . how do I responsibly feed myself and those who I am and will be responsible for.

Warning what I am about to say is going to raise a few hackles (I apologize . . . . again)

To me . . . basing being a vegetarian or vegan largely or solely on the idea that you cannot emotionally deal with the killing of animals is one dimensional, selfish and shallow.

I understand and respect those who are vegetarian because they feel healthier with this type of diet. Or those who eat a vegetarian diet for a period of time for cleansing and a “rebooting” of their body systems (surprise I AM one of these people)

In my quest to build a sustainable and healthy foundation for responsible eating I have to take into consideration some of these thoughts:

• How many miles has my food traveled??? Am I supporting (vicariously or directly) the massive fossil fuel depletion and all that encompasses using fossil fuels?
• How do I work within the boundaries or parameters of where I live and seasonal, continental and regional eating only? Which I feel is very important. We adapt to where we live. Our body systems align and balance with our latitude, longitude, weather, and seasons. I feel it is vital to our well being and health that we only eat what is capable of being grown or wild crafted within these my area and environment.
• Are we truly “evolved”, as a species, to the point where all of us or many of us are no longer omnivores?
• In covering all the possible scenarios what if I do not have electricity or ways to refrigerate or freeze food? Which this is already a fact in a very large portion of the world. How do I feed myself and those around me through the winter months without eating meat for proper nutrition and health? And within this same thought if one can only achieve higher levels of consciousness or higher frequency or travel or be allowed into the next dimensions if they are only vegan or vegetarian then MOST of the world population ain’t gonna make it. So how can this be Truth?

Thank you truly for everyone who has contributed I would really like to keep this rolling but it seems either very few or interested or perhaps befuddled with what to say within the framework I have put forth. We will see.

[Lettherebelight]

Don't worry, friend Blufire, our hackles don't raise so easily

It may surprise you to know that I, and probably a number of others here at Avalon, knew you were not really interested in becoming a vegetarian. And that's most likely the reason why certain members have not posted here, rather than an emotionally based reason. We had the good manners not to question your motives. I (we?) still wish you well in your endeavours!!

And, fwiw, I am a vegetarian for deep, spiritual reasons, not sentimental emotion. Let's not confuse the two.
If I was starving, I would do the needful. But I thank the Lord that I live in a place where this is not necessary (North Pole, desert, etc)

I, too, liked the characters of the movie, Cold Mountain, particularly Rene Zelleweger's.

Like i said earlier, Blufire, I admire what you are trying to do. I wish you every success.

[modwiz]

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
Don't worry, friend Blufire, our hackles don't raise so easily

It may surprise you to know that I, and probably a number of others here at Avalon, knew you were not really interested in becoming a vegetarian. And that's most likely the reason why certain members have not posted here, rather than an emotionally based reason. We had the good manners not to question your motives. I (we?) still wish you well in your endeavours!!

And, fwiw, I am a vegetarian for deep, spiritual reasons, not sentimental emotion. Let's not confuse the two.
If I was starving, I would do the needful. But I thank the Lord that I live in a place where this is not necessary (North Pole, desert, etc)

Like i said earlier, Blufire, I admire what you are trying to do. I wish you every success.

Amen to that.

[shamanseeker]

Dear Blufire,
I am sorry that you have little respect for vegetarians because they are highly-charged emotionally. I would suggest that we change the words 'highly-charged emotionally' with compassion. I do not believe any more in the Judaeo-Christian doctrine that we have 'dominion' over the Earth and have a God-given right to kill other species on the planet. I do not agree that they sacrifice themselves willingly for our good.
We could give all sorts of academic reasons as to why the Earth would be better off if we became vegetarians but you would be able to give equally adequate counter arguments to the contrary and I'm sure you were aware of that when you posted this thread.
I think a lot of people in the world are evolving to the stage where they don't want to kill and consume other species in order to survive. A lot of meat-eaters take umbrage at this and are equally emotional in their over-reaction to suggestions that we don't eat meat (I'm not talking about you here but others, especially hunters who in my opinion are also offended because for them it is a very macho thing to do and as such feel their 'manhood' is threatened). Things are starting to change now but in the past vegetarians came in for a lot of hack.
The point is, that this is not an academic argument but something that a lot of people are evolving towards - a life style in which they are not harming another species in order to survive. If someone wants to become a vegetarian, they will become one without worrying about the consequences.
Regards

[blufire]

One reason I do not like communicating through forums or avenues where we cannot see one another or “hear” each others emotion, and most importantly “feel” one another’s energy or spirit.

Lettherebelight, Modwiz and shamanseeker and others . . . . please read more thoroughly what I have passionately tried to say.

To judge that my motive was some how subversive or deceptive does raise my hackles a bit.

Did you really “hear” what I said?? Please look more deeply past the usual, superficial debate, disagreement or whatever reason we fall into when this topic comes up

I truly was trying to knock us out of the same unproductive rut.

Is vegan, vegetarian or raw food diet viable under the parameters I have posted??? I don’t know . . . . pragmatically I don’t think so . . . and it doesn’t look like we can even have a thought provoking, possible foundational reorganization and/or discusiion of those ideas.

Does this mean if we were to come to another additional way of thinking of the way we eat that you would have to embrace that way?? NO It is simply another option that may BEGIN to get us OUT OF THIS MESS.WE GLOBALLY HAVE CREATED.

I do respect and will value and will always validate people who choosen a vegetarian lifestyle if it is done with the same toward meat eaters. . . . . and of all who respond to this issue (imho) modwiz you come the closest to this.

We are supposedly a community filled with star people, indigos, crystals, rainbows, shaman, druids, hybrids, travelers, dimension jumpers, astral projecting, OBE’s, enlightened . . . . really???? AND I mean REALLY??? . . . . then why is it we sound just like EVERYBODY ELSE. I don’t see the difference . . . . .

Shamanseeker . . . can we at least explore new ways to approach this subject and feel I have tried to put forth some possibilities Can we at least as a more deep thinking group even TRY??? I don’t know it does not appear so.

Will we ever get past all the usual “academic pontification”, “Youtube throwing”, “cut and pasting”, “taking out of context drivel”?? I don’t know and it doesn’t’ appear so.

Please read again first my post #49 If you truly hear both what I have said and more importantly what I have not said (read between the lines and listen with your spirit) you will begin to somewhat get a clue of who I am. If you can’t understand what I have clearly “said” in this post then you are not at the place where you will ever hear me. And this in itself is a really big hint.

Then read post #53 is there any validity at all in my words and the direction I am taking my own life. Can you hear me at all . . . .

Can we ever get past as supposedly a wiser, deeper thinking, new path creating group, the same wore out, me me me, band wagon(s) . . . . I don’t know . . . . it doesn’t appear so . . . .and this truly and very deeply grieves me . . .

[Lord Sidious]

It is indeed very easy to mistake what one says and miss what one means in text on the net.
Been there, done that, president of the club.
Welcome to my nightmare.
Go away Alice.

[WhiteFeather]

Posted by karelia (here)
My first question would be why do you want to be a vegetarian? I didn't see a reason in your original post.

I'm only a few years younger than you. I grew up in Northern Europe, Germany to be precise. In those days, it was normal for most families to live on vegetables and potatoes/grain from Monday to Thursday, fish on Friday, soup on Saturday, and meat roast with vegetables and potatoes on Sunday. The exception were those who worked physically hard; they would have meat perhaps three times a week.

When we came here to the US the first time, in late 1997, we were shocked at the sizes of meals in restaurants. One plate could easily feed a family of three in Europe, and us Europeans were by no means starving or undernourished.

I've been living the vegetarian way for a number of years. My daughter, at six months old, taught me to simply go by heart, and my heart then said no to meat, so I followed that path, at the time with no thinking about grocery stores, local foods, or the like. That worry came later, and I tried ever since to incorporate new learnings into my lifestyle, such as buying local, staying away from corporations, buying directly from farms, growing food on the balcony, etc.

More recently, I realised why I don't eat meat: I do not want to be responsible for any death, and each time I would eat meat, I would be responsible for an animal's death. But that's me. I have one take on it, and a hundred others will have a hundred other takes on it.

Which brings me to my initial question: why are you asking that question? Do you want to be vegetarian? If so, why? Is it a spiritual issue? Is it a practical one? If so, have you thought about drying beef into jerky? You can chew on it all winter long; it won't lose its flavor or potency.

Great Post!...... Namaste.....My recent change to vegetarianism around 2 years ago, coincides with The Law Of One as Well, and thus i feel that it is enhancing/advancing my spiritual growth, if you will.

[shamanseeker]

Dear Blufire,

Why are you so upset? If people do not want to answer you the way you expect to be answered, there is probably a reason.

You wrote: "Shamanseeker . . . can we at least explore new ways to approach this subject and feel I have tried to put forth some possibilities Can we at least as a more deep thinking group even TRY??? I don’t know it does not appear so."

I explained why it is useless in my opinion to argue about this on an academic level. Because I write this, do think I am shallow thinking and with 'TRY' do you think I am unable to make an effort?

You wrote: "Will we ever get past all the usual “academic pontification”, “Youtube throwing”, “cut and pasting”, “taking out of context drivel”?? I don’t know and it doesn’t’ appear so."

Not only are you contradicting yourself here, I think you are the one who is getting a little too emotional, frustrated and confused not us and you are certainly sounding very patronizing. Perhaps, you should listen more to other people and not assume that they have lower I.Q.s than you do just because they disagree or decide to face questions differently.

You wrote: "Can we ever get past as supposedly a wiser, deeper thinking, new path creating group, the same wore out, me me me, band wagon(s) . . . . I don’t know . . . . it doesn’t appear so . . . .and this truly and very deeply grieves me . . ."

Do you think you are more intelligent than we are? Just because we do not know what you want us to write?