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    Yes, I know what you all mean. When I "awakened" some years ago I thought it was terrible to question the world around me. Then, realizing this, I suddenly felt free to believe what ever I wanted because I saw through many of the lies we are fed. The reason I continue studying all the subjects we talk about on this forum is to prove to myself that I am free to think what I want.

    BUT - I am very cautious about what I say to others. It is easy to recognize which people you can talk to. I often wait for others to perhaps mention, say 2012, before I ask what they know, where they have read it and so on before I tell them about my interests. Many of my colleagues really tries to be as mainstream as possible and they often make fun about new age and conspiracies.

    Since a couple of years I also study alternative medicine. Even if this is quite known by many I can´t talk about this either with colleagues, friends or family sincethey are so biased about it.

    If the people around me knew all my interests - conspiracy theories, new age, alternative medicine and the fact I am a member of a secret society - they would think I am crazy...

    So - often I really have to bite my tongue because I want to talk to people about this but I realize they will not listen just because they are, as several has mentioned, too comfortable...

    The world wants to be fooled...
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    In Italy, they are always saying things will never change and complaining about corruption in politics so it's quite easy to start a conversation talking about things that will awaken them. I teach English to all ages, including adults and am surprised at the number of people who are open to the things I believe in. If someone is really religious though I tend to steer clear: you can discern quite easily who is open but I get to talk about reptilians to very few - not many people are ready for that

    I'm convinced that the universe is sending me people for lessons who are ready to wake up. The majority are interested! I usually start by telling them about the fact that our leaders are all related to royalty: that makes them sit up smartish and now they try to steer the conversation towards talking about these things: they become thirsty for this knowledge. A lady I teach give conversation lessons said to me this morning that every week she goes home and contemplates something I've told them. I don't push it. I'm don't act like a missionary or someone intent on converting but just naturally include it in the conversation with humour - this is very important, not to take yourself too seriously!

    I live in a little village with a lot of very conservative people who are not open-minded at all so when I started doing lessons at the library I didn't even attempt to say anything but to my surprise two of them last week started talking about conspiracy theories! So don't take things for granted or underestimate people either. The PTB and the trolls on this forum keep drumming into people that the sheep are dumb and stupid and it's in their interest that we believe that people don't want to wake up. Look at David Icke, it wasn't very long ago that he was speaking to one or two people at a time and look at how many people are going to his conferences now.
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    Default Re: hold your tongue awaken ones......hold your tongue....

    I began to experience stress as a result of the things I'd learned. I wanted so desperately for others to have the same knowledge. About finance/banks/economy, health and conventional medicine, controlled media, etc. Finally realized they want to remain in the deluded state and that it was not my responsibility. They have their own path. When the resonance of the truth strikes enough of us, the power of that morphic field will grow and capture a larger audience.

    But.........looking back through history, has the truth ever been in the spotlight?

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    Quote When I first awakened to see our world for what it is I went out "shouting it to the streets" so to speak. Without going into to much detail here--- after the street shouting--- a 37 day stint in our nice comfortable county jail taught me to hold my tongue in certain places AND around people, certain people like police chiefs and such. They don't like terms like Reptilians and N.W.O and chemtrails. They tend to like a steady boat with asleep passengers and avoid the cruises with heavy waves and fully awake passengers.
    If you don't mind my asking, WHY did you get put in jail for it? Is this the same as shouting fire in a crowded building? Or did you just sound too weird to the sleepers?

    My situation was a lighter version that taught me to watch what I say, too. Just tell them when they ask is a good rule to go by....and only what they can handle....
    I'm thinking that when our cosmic cousins disclose their presence over many cities,
    those who thought you were crazy will suddenly wet themselves...

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    Quote Posted by Gardener (here)
    They do know, yes!
    BUT, they don't want to change the status quo because they are COMFORTABLE. I have faith that when it gets too uncomfortable a LOT will awaken to the functional reality, and remember what you said.
    I am in agreement with you.
    I think part of the problem with revealing info to people is that they feel there is then an expectation to do something.
    But, as you say, they are in a comfort zone, even if it is not as comfortable as it was, they can say they are better off than someone in x nation, which is true but a copout.
    So, they would prefer to remain at rest, just like the laws of physics say.

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    The supervisor at my last employment was a shape-shifting reptile. I think everyone would appreciate being vindicated for feeling so. But I think you're right, a little caution is wise.

    Then again, if certain indiscretions ever do find out whats been going on, they may remember you and your crazy ideas.

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    Quote Posted by Black Panther (here)
    Quote Posted by buckminster fuller (here)
    hi truth4me, late yesterday, or was it early this morning, I was thinking about the same subject, but arrived to different conclusions :
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...and-our-truths
    Hi truth4me and buckminister fuller,

    I started a thread about the same subject too. At 14:05 in stead of 14:19
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...otions-Actions

    Talking about synchronisity...
    Just asked if the threads could be merged.
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    Quote Posted by Aurvandil (here)

    I am a member of a secret society - they would think I am crazy...



    The world wants to be fooled...
    AAA what secret sociaty?

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    Well when I open up my big mouth I get very animated and passionate, My partner says I look a little crazy! Lol!

    Its like being in the closet all over again, and being very careful of when you engage in conversation of issues that would turn peoples reality of the world they live in up side down! So those that dont want to believe, will go in to defense mode,,, but they still need to hear it! After all, once something is heard it can never be unheard? I would just suggest be ready to defend your ideas and be willing to listen to theirs and relate to whom your talking to and connect to them spiritually, then It will be easier for them to take it in.
    The Truth will find you out!

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    Hi truth4me, i think i can relate to your feelings.
    When i finaly woke up 5 or 6 years ago i was just the same, i wanted to tell everyone the truth i had just found out, and i wanted to tell them right away.
    Got into trouble with strangers family members really good old friends that unfortunatily don,t come around much anymore, but i didn,t have to go to jail.
    I was to watch what i said around people and who you said it to, but thats not my mo, so, i just keep dropping little hints hoping someone would get curious and ask me a few questions.

    My biggest personal problem is my 3 kids, who were brought up while i was still asleep at the wheel, so, they are very comfortable in there worker(slave), good consumer paradymn.
    I have a mountain of guilt on me over my kids growng up without the truth but quite frankly i did not know the truth myself, nor did my Father or my Grandfater.
    Anyway with my celtic wife helping me, and, who is on her own waking journey, we finally have the kids listening and asking questions about what is the truth, thank the universe for that.
    I guess i should admit they are not kids, they are all in thier late 30,s, but that doesn,t lesson my guilt for raisng them in the truth i knew at that time, instead of the real truth.
    Oh well, we do what we can with what we have, what else can we do?
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    Quote Posted by toothpick (here)
    Hi truth4me, i think i can relate to your feelings.
    When i finaly woke up 5 or 6 years ago i was just the same, i wanted to tell everyone the truth i had just found out, and i wanted to tell them right away.
    Got into trouble with strangers family members really good old friends that unfortunatily don,t come around much anymore, but i didn,t have to go to jail.
    I was to watch what i said around people and who you said it to, but thats not my mo, so, i just keep dropping little hints hoping someone would get curious and ask me a few questions.

    My biggest personal problem is my 3 kids, who were brought up while i was still asleep at the wheel, so, they are very comfortable in there worker(slave), good consumer paradymn.
    I have a mountain of guilt on me over my kids growng up without the truth but quite frankly i did not know the truth myself, nor did my Father or my Grandfater.
    Anyway with my celtic wife helping me, and, who is on her own waking journey, we finally have the kids listening and asking questions about what is the truth, thank the universe for that.
    I guess i should admit they are not kids, they are all in thier late 30,s, but that doesn,t lesson my guilt for raisng them in the truth i knew at that time, instead of the real truth.
    Oh well, we do what we can with what we have, what else can we do?
    I have 2 grown children ....my daughter took the rebel side of me listens yet continues in her ways,listens because she loves "her daddy"....my son , logical in the 3-d sense to a fault but he loves me till I say U.F.O or E.T. then he thinks"his old man is a nut job"....

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    Our global population is in the process of awakening. We are being forced to awaken for our own survival, benefit, longevity and consciousness. Forced is the operative word here. Who or what is forcing us and why? There exist factions on this planet and off this planet with varying agendas, some beneficial and others extremely harmful. The Controllers on this planet Earth, who stem from selected bloodlines, much prefer to kill, eradicate and maim as many useless eaters as possible and maintain a population of those they consider to be their selected few. They may or may not achieve this goal. From what I understand, these controlling groups are also controlled by off-planet groups whose main goal is to seize control of planet Earth.

    There are also off-planet groups who are here surrounding our Earth and its inhabitants to help us to help ourselves as we experience massive Universal changes and upliftments. Some of these groups are working to awaken the masses. We on this forum are products of their work. This awakening however, has drawbacks. After 9/11, tens of millions of sleepers were jarred and catapulted out of their slumber. I was one of those and I am sure that there are others reading this post who were a part of this. 9/11 was the brain-child of the Controllers, but could have been prevented by the benevolent off-planet groups. It wasn't. Why? Because of the massive awakening that it caused. I have heard through channeling sessions that there are other catastophic situations, our financial meltdown for one, that will force yet more sleeping people awake. Could these be prevented by these groups? Some of the catastrophes probably could be. Some of them have been. Some will be allowed to happen.

    How many of us have been lulled by the concept that states that these catastrophes are suppose to happen....so let them happen?

    This is the juncture where I see and identify a distinct problem for us/we, who are already awake and aware. Is it better my friends, to keep our mouths shut in order to not offend or force someone to awaken and by this, essentially usher in another catastrophe that brings massive harm and loss, or is it better to offend and deal with an occasional hovering helicopter over our homes and wake up the sleeping masses? I've had two former hovering helicopters and former police harassment and past attempts made on my life and people angry with me because I continue to tell them things that they don't want to hear or read or take within. I cannot enter a Federal building.

    We are at a point where the choices that we make or don't make will either allow for peace and prosperity and life and liberty or catastrophes and continued control and certain death and destruction.

    I am in no way suggesting violence or mayhem. I am suggesting that because we are so close to the time when massive Universal changes will cause upheaval, that we do away with attempting to be polite and allow people to awaken on their own, and that we simply tell it the way it is and the way that you understand it, whether or not their eyes glaze over. Some of what we say will penetrate the concrete. I happen to care about these people and I would rather leave this Earth knowing that I have made an attempt to help these to awaken than to politely sit with hands folded waiting for them to awaken on their own.
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    A million different minds, a million different messages. Intent is if fundamental, as is focus. It takes all kinds. It takes a village... to raise a child.

    The waitress at the bar, in the film "The Blues brothers" had it exactly right:

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    Absolutely true.

    Learned this too, and its not easy....who doesn't want to tell people the portion of truth that we hold? It is not always best to get people's minds in a bunch...let them reach the point where they are ready.

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    Quote Posted by Black Panther (here)

    I started a thread about the same subject too. At 14:05 in stead of 14:19
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...otions-Actions

    Talking about synchronisity...
    Quote Posted by buckminster fuller (here)
    should we ask mods to combine them then ?
    This thread seems to have caught a life ... I'll leave it unmerged, but post a link in the other two threads, suggesting readers come here.

    P.S. - The thread by buckminster fuller has already been deleted by Karelia, apparently at the request of buckminster fuller. So that just leaves Black Panther thread besides this one.
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    It is hard to communicate this information so people will listen. You really have to know what the consiciousness level of your audience is. Maybe posing socratic type questions to individuals you speak to. Examples might include "Do you think the world is really run the way most people believe it is?" or "If someone were to discover free energy, do you think the government would suppress the information?" Find out how a person generally responds to these kinds of questions and if possible provide them with some bit of informantion to make them think.
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    Years ago I was told that people can only accept a little bit of truth at a time.

    Joy was right.

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    Quote Posted by KosmicKat (here)
    First of all, respect the free will of the individual. Do not withhold your truth if asked. But do not offer it until asked.
    but, that's 'status quo' talk.

    I've realised I'm no longer a member of that camp. I don't want this state of affairs to be allowed to continue by my, or anyone else's, passive approval.

    There must be a way to act that comes somewhere between monk and cocaine crazed mercenary that fits the purpose for appropriate change.

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    Quote Posted by rmauersr (here)
    Years ago I was told that people can only accept a little bit of truth at a time.

    Joy was right.
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    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    Quote Posted by rmauersr (here)
    Years ago I was told that people can only accept a little bit of truth at a time.

    Joy was right.
    Even an elephant can be eaten, but only in bite sized chunks.
    And please maintain a sensible exercise program if you plan on doing that.

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