~The Bob Dean Thread~

[Borden]

Yeah, I've watched hours of Bob Dean interviews too, and I'd love to believe him. He talks about some incredible things, and his kindly grandfather schtick is excellent. But that's all it is. My area of expertise is human behaviour and psychology, and I wish to God I could get suckered into this nice old man's routine too. But he makes me feel lonelier in what I know, angrier in what I believe, and thoroughly unhappy at this world full of liars with an angle. MOST of the people we here spend valuable hours of our lives giving the benefit of the doubt are liars and con-men. MOST.

Lying and deception are, for reasons muddled and boring, something I know about. When I watch people like him waffling their line ... I want to laugh, and I want to yell, 'how can you not see he is lying?' It's that obvious. Oooh, there are some big names around these parts who are pure comedy to me. I know how to spot a liar.

You want to believe. If you want to believe, and you don't have the intelligence or guile to recognise the market position you place yourself in ... then you probably deserve to be suckered into next week every time you click play on one of these interviews.

But if you want to believe in something more than the mainstream world tells you is your lot, your existence, the length and breadth of you ... then surely you will recognise that discernment is the most important tool you have in a world of liars, fantasists and opportunists. In fact it can elevate you beyond the dross of the names in this game, and into the real stuff. Isn't that what you want?

[Spellbound]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)

Posted by apokalypse (here)
how about Bob Dean and Alex Collier the same room have a good hour of discussion... that's interesting Pleiades meet Andromeda

That would be very interesting i must say! Gotta Love Uncle Alex and Uncle Bob. Would love to hear a new interview of Bob Dean, hopefully soon.

It's a shame the Awake & Awre 2011 videos aren't released (for free) for all to see.

Peace

Dave - Toronto

[Borden]

'awake and aware'. Oh my God. This game needs raising. You cannot be awake or aware if the riff-raff of shysters and blithering fantasists that are allowed your time are not called out. The term 'easy meat' springs to mind.

I want to be AWAKE AND AWARE, and I try my best. I'm sorry but it seems to me that so many of you are not even trying. I have listened to a waffling stoner who is the rudest, most inept and mind-wrenchingly annoying 'interviewer' I have EVER heard. I have watched hundreds of hours of interviews with 'whistle-blowers', and I have despaired at the marginalisation of people like myself who are aware that the mainstream version of this world is an evil fantasy ... but worse, I have despaired at the simpering, dribbling, cross-eyed acceptance of that marginalisation by people who frankly let the whole side down. How do any of you expect to be taken seriously when you big up every refereece to a billion and one aliens you've 'channeled', or 'information we have ... at this time'. God, that woman makes me want to rip my own brain out. Now, if I thought she had the wits I would swear she is a disinformation agent. Who better to discredit this sort of forum and this sort of movement?

WAKE UP!!!

Time is short. You live, you die. Are you going to be a sheep your whole life? Do you think that by believing in crystal wavers and galactic brotherhoods you're any less of a sheep?

There are things kept secret from us. There are truths about our species, and about space, and about inter-dimensional physics that are hidden from us by self-appointed arbiters of knowledge.

When people sit there believing what Bob Dean tells them ... well, let's just say the herd doesn't need too much looking after. Even the black sheep are utterly, utterly ineffectual.

[onawah]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, Borden, but inasmuch as you are apparently not finding the agreement you seek at Project Avalon, I wonder why you continue to post here. Why not go to another forum where you can get "into the real stuff", whatever you might consider that to be?

[Borden]

why, onawah? Would that make it a cosier place in which to be happily deluded?

The 'real stuff', by the way, is the sort of material that does not require one to be a credulous, hopeless wing nut to believe.

And I don't seek agreement. This is not, for me, a place for flakes to glad-hand each other's fascile egos. It is, or should be, something more. From what I remember reading that was Bill Ryan's intent. I am not a member of any Camelot forum, for instance. I am simply furious and disgusted at the willingness in here to believe whatever rubbish some new moron chooses to inflict upon us. I can see it, and I despair that others can't, that's all.

All I want is the game raised. Don't glad-hand each other's weaknesses. Be strong. Be discerning. Learn something worth learning. Don't listen to ridiculous con-men.

[onawah]

All that is still opinion, and a lot of name-calling, which is hardly convincing.
Where, exactly, is the "real stuff" in your opinion?
Where is the proof of your claims?

[Borden]

Proof? Really? Are you trying to be funny?

The proof of ... MY CLAIMS ... from someone who takes Bob Dean at his word.

Please.

Name-calling? And do I need to convince you? What would I need to convince you? Some ridiculous images of ten thousand mile long things in the orbit of Saturn?

With people like you as the counter-force ... the mainstream has not just won ... it owns planet Earth.

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Lock, stock and crystal-waving, galactic federation-quoting barrel

God help us all

[CdnSirian]

Posted by Borden (here)
'awake and aware'. Oh my God. This game needs raising. You cannot be awake or aware if the riff-raff of shysters and blithering fantasists that are allowed your time are not called out. The term 'easy meat' springs to mind.

I want to be AWAKE AND AWARE, and I try my best. I'm sorry but it seems to me that so many of you are not even trying. I have listened to a waffling stoner who is the rudest, most inept and mind-wrenchingly annoying 'interviewer' I have EVER heard. I have watched hundreds of hours of interviews with 'whistle-blowers', and I have despaired at the marginalisation of people like myself who are aware that the mainstream version of this world is an evil fantasy ... but worse, I have despaired at the simpering, dribbling, cross-eyed acceptance of that marginalisation by people who frankly let the whole side down. How do any of you expect to be taken seriously when you big up every refereece to a billion and one aliens you've 'channeled', or 'information we have ... at this time'. God, that woman makes me want to rip my own brain out. Now, if I thought she had the wits I would swear she is a disinformation agent. Who better to discredit this sort of forum and this sort of movement?

WAKE UP!!!

Time is short. You live, you die. Are you going to be a sheep your whole life? Do you think that by believing in crystal wavers and galactic brotherhoods you're any less of a sheep?

There are things kept secret from us. There are truths about our species, and about space, and about inter-dimensional physics that are hidden from us by self-appointed arbiters of knowledge.

When people sit there believing what Bob Dean tells them ... well, let's just say the herd doesn't need too much looking after. Even the black sheep are utterly, utterly ineffectual.

Whew!! Let me catch my breath...

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Posted by Borden (here)
why, onawah? Would that make it a cosier place in which to be happily deluded?

The 'real stuff', by the way, is the sort of material that does not require one to be a credulous, hopeless wing nut to believe.

And I don't seek agreement. This is not, for me, a place for flakes to glad-hand each other's fascile egos. It is, or should be, something more. From what I remember reading that was Bill Ryan's intent. I am not a member of any Camelot forum, for instance. I am simply furious and disgusted at the willingness in here to believe whatever rubbish some new moron chooses to inflict upon us. I can see it, and I despair that others can't, that's all.

All I want is the game raised. Because people like Bob Dean are a joke, and a stretch of my patience with those of a similarly truth-seeking bent. He is a con-man. His face and body language are hopelessly obvious to someone like me. His methods and spiel are even more depressingly blatant. Wake up.

Don't glad-hand each other's weaknesses. Be strong. Be discerning. Learn something worth learning. Don't listen to ridiculous con-men.

Borden, you're good!

[onawah]

CdnSirian, I would say you are easily impressed.
There is still nothing of substance from Borden.
Nothing of interest here for me.

[ThePythonicCow]

We recommend, when someone has a viewpoint that is sufficiently different from the main thrust of a thread that it becomes disruptive, then better, after stating their point, to continue on another thread if they want to discuss it further.

Sometimes the views held by different members here are sufficiently distinct that they don't all fit comfortably "in the same room".

[Etherios]

Posted by Paul (here)
We recommend, when someone has a viewpoint that is sufficiently different from the main thrust of a thread that it becomes disruptive, then better, after stating their point, to continue on another thread if they want to discuss it further.

Sometimes the views held by different members here are sufficiently distinct that they don't all fit comfortably "in the same room".

But i want ... (i think many more also want) ... to let Borden explain what he means. No proof not evidence ... i want to hear Borden lay out what he thinks/believes.

Noone is forcing anyone to believe or take for granted what Bob Dean says or what Icke says or who ever. But when someone has different opinion all together it proper to at least explain what he means.


So plz Borden make a post and tell us what you think. Not here as Paul will "slap" us and we will ruin this topic. So plz make a new one for all to read.

[araucaria]

I agree, any - substantive - input from you, Borden, would be worth hearing, but I would stress that it is thanks to the likes of Bob Dean that you can hope for a sympathetic ear, so quit the knocking and the wakeup calls (our alarm clocks went off some time ago actually) and just say your piece. I'm listening.

[GCS1103]

Bordon-
It appears that you feel those of us who admire and believe Bob Dean are being deluded in some way. That he is an old man and because of some type of "expertise" you have, you can tell that he is a "fake" and a "con man." Have you met Bob Dean and spent any time talking to him, or is your knowlege based solely on watching videos of him? I like to believe that I am able to ascertain when someone is not genuine and, having spent time with him at the Awake and Aware Conference this year I came away satisfied that he was geuine. Perhaps you could tell us what about him convinces you that he is a con man so that we can look for these tell-tale signs too.

[take]

Come on, here's room for everyone.

Personally, I love to listen to Robert's stories and would like to believe them, but (to me) they're more narratives than evidence at this point, cause there simply isn't much proof in those stories. Maybe things would be different if I knew him personally or something. But I don't. But I respect him.

[Borden]

GCS1103, I certainly wasn't suggesting that his age has any bearing on his authenticity, if that's what you meant. No, I haven't met him, but I have seen his video interviews. Whatever he has to say to a larger audience, shouldn't those interviews be how he does it? If I have to meet him to see that the spiel in the interviews is somehow misleading and suspect, then I think he's doing this all wrong. Not sure what your point is. Oh yes, I am. You're trying to suggest that in person he can more ably make you believe things. I'm sure he can. You, I mean. Not me.

I'll start a thread on this broader subject later, and I'm sorry to have thrown a spanner in the works of this one, OP. By the way, I was not saying anything unpleasant about Bob Dean other than I believe he is stringing people along and making things up. That's all. He seems charming apart from that. Which is the point, I suppose. But I think this is a subject worth talking about (not about Dean specifically), and as I said, I'll start a thread later.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
sufficiently different from the main thrust of a thread that it becomes disruptive,

Well ... whether or not posts disrupt a thread is ultimately determined by "the thread" (the others posting on the thread.)

Presently I am seeing a mix of comments to me via private communications. The majority would like to hear more of Borden's views; the minority expressing concerns of some sort relating to how those views are expressed or to their impact on this thread.

Divergent views are inevitable, and discussing them essential. My focus is on supporting healthy conversations (aka "threads" .)

My hunch is that this thread spawns a separate thread at some point ... but I'm not feeling too worried about it right now.

Posted by Borden (here)
But I think this is a subject worth talking about (not about Dean specifically), and as I said, I'll start a thread later.

Sounds good - thanks!

[Mutchie]

bob is very likeable and he is very credible

[Limor Wolf]

All the folowing comments were Originally posted by Borden:

"there are some big names around these parts who are pure comedy"

"'awake and aware'. Oh my God. This game needs raising"

"it seems to me that so many of you are not even trying"

"How do any of you expect to be taken seriously...God, that woman makes me want to rip my own brain out. Now, if I thought she had the wits I would swear she is a disinformation agent. "

"I am simply furious and disgusted at the willingness in here to believe whatever rubbish some new moron chooses to inflict upon us."

"people like Bob Dean are a joke...He is a con-man...Don't listen to ridiculous con-men. "

"Proof? Really? Are you trying to be funny?...With people like you as the counter-force ... the mainstream has not just won ... it owns planet Earth..God helps us all"

"You cannot be awake or aware if the riff-raff of shysters and blithering fantasists that are allowed your time are not called out. The term 'easy meat' springs to mind."

Shame.After reading Borden's view's wich I find quite a lot of common ground with,the term 'offensive' comes to mind. Using ridicule,arrogance,name calling,sarcasm and lack of appreciation for everyone who is not basicaly him,equalls losing the opportunity to air some important view's and even get some credit points for that.Borden,you sure have lost me.

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Makes sense.

[GCS1103]

Posted by Borden (here)
GCS1103, I certainly wasn't suggesting that his age has any bearing on his authenticity, if that's what you meant. No, I haven't met him, but I have seen his video interviews. Whatever he has to say to a larger audience, shouldn't those interviews be how he does it? If I have to meet him to see that the spiel in the interviews is somehow misleading and suspect, then I think he's doing this all wrong. Not sure what your point is. Oh yes, I am. You're trying to suggest that in person he can more ably make you believe things. I'm sure he can. You, I mean. Not me.

I'll start a thread on this broader subject later, and I'm sorry to have thrown a spanner in the works of this one, OP. By the way, I was not saying anything unpleasant about Bob Dean other than I believe he is stringing people along and making things up. That's all. He seems charming apart from that. Which is the point, I suppose. But I think this is a subject worth talking about (not about Dean specifically), and as I said, I'll start a thread later.

So far you haven't told us why you believe Bob Dean is a con man. To make a blanket statement like that about anyone, is libelous, to say the least. At least give us some proof of why you say that- not "just because you think he is". Am I missing something from one of your posts? This is a terrible statement to make about someone you don't know personally and, I am guessing, never will. Like you, I don't believe everyone that I listen to on videos, but I have yet to discover the secret you must have, about Bob Dean and his deception. How about ending the suspense and tell me how you know Bob is a con man?

[161803398]

Even though I have seen a UFO myself (a really strange one); I'm still not inclined to believe other people. Its not that I don't believe them. I just don't know anything for sure except that I saw one. However, here is a video from the recommendable video thread that I will post here to make a point. This guy is a lawyer. Lawyers are among the most unlikely people to say anything about UFOs because of their propensity to be highly conventional and probably more fearful than most people of ridicule. So I'm just saying that even though I can't say whether I believe or disbelieve what Bob Dean says, I can say that I don't know why on earth this lawyer in the video would speak at this conference unless there was something very strange going on. And he certainly wouldn't be giving people the advice he gives in this video.

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