pentagon missile

[toad]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by toad (here)

Posted by Dig (here)

Posted by toad (here)

Posted by Dig (here)
Believe it or not it would take less people to fire a Missile then you expect. a plane could not penatrate the first ring and into the second unless it was carrying explosives, the fuel is carried in the wings and would not cause a huge gaping hole, the fuel would burn intensely and nobody could be around it for awhile and yet people were everywhere immediately afterword and in suits . I could go on but I will not argue the point further, keeping it simple applies to the theory but not to the Goverment.

Perhaps the only reason we see pictures of people in suits there 'immediately afterward' is because the fire was so hot no one was around to take photos until the heat had subsided? Why would the gov't or whoever is pulling these strings want to execute an overly complex scheme when they could accomplish the same thing with less. Launching a missile at the Pentagon would require more people to be involved then say if someone just paid some terrorists to hijack a plane and smash into the Pentagon. The black soot from smoke and flames seems to emanate quite aways away in each direction and seems to have been hot enough to leave quite a bit of residue. Missiles explode and do not normally burn, and to say a plane such as the one that could have very well hit the Pentagon is incapable of creating a huge gaping hole is quite ignorant. Almost as if their is some kind of conclusive evidence to support such a claim. We're making lots of assumptions here, but given the nature of this incident and the evidence we have, assumptions are about all we're left with.

“Ignorance” as you would like to mention, is believing in what the media has told you, not accepting inconsistencies in the story, and we still having this discussion.

I never said I didn't accept inconsistencies in the story, there are holes in just about every story. The events of this day were massive, and impacted us all deeply. I would expect such inconsistencies. I've never said anything about the media, but just cause they are the media doesn't mean they lie all day about everything. I'm highly skeptical in nature, I could careless what the media is telling me, I make judgments based on the things I see and the evidence I have in front of me. I used to believe this very same missile theory along time ago, but over time and after countless hours debating theories of all shapes and sizes, I just don't see it anymore, it makes lil sense, and the evidence. what lil of it there is, suggests otherwise to me.

Posted by modwiz (here)
Reading this thread only reinforces the concept of the Earth vibrating into two different dimensions for me. There truly does seem to be two very distinct kinds of humans. Each has quite a few variables, but I can see a bifurcation area. The demonstration of people who can look at the damage at the Pentagon and see two very different scenes is just stunning to me.

We are all very different, past experiences, the knowledge we attain threw out life all plays into the objective nature of humanity. This very subject, affected us all in so many ways, it is no surprise many of us feel very deeply about certain things regarding it.

Oh yes they do.

Today, the 48th anniversary of the criminal killing of our 35th president and there still is not a single newperson in a 24 hour constant news cycle that will doubt the official single shooter, Warren report official version of the assassination and someone wants to think that the media does not lie all day, every day. It's their freakin' job and they would lose it if they didn't.

Caution: Rectal yoga being practiced by some posters.

I think we may be misunderstanding one another. They do not lie about everything. Just because they are the media does not mean their reports denote fabrications, sports/weather/etc... It is not so black in white. The media most likely is reporting what they are told. People lie, I'm not denying the fact that most things regarding foreign/domestic policy, political agendas..etc are most likely fabricated to serve ones own agenda. This is absolutely true.

[WhiteFeather]

An Airline Pilot With 30 Years of Service Stated It would have taken him 10 Times to Perform This Perfect Maneuver, striking The Pentagon With This Perfect Precision! The So-Called Pilot from The Pentagon Attack, couldn't even fly a small Cessna Plane, let alone a 757. Hope This Helps Your Investigation! PS Where was The Landing Gear, Engines, Seats, Wings and last not least Passengers??????

[Guaxini]

Question. if you type some site that does not exist on the web what happen? for example this one http://www.bushisaterrorist.com/ , it would appear something like this, "Oops! Google Chrome could not find www.bushisaterrorist.com" (i use google chrome)

wanna see something funny? ^^ type www.itanimulli.com, the site does not exist but he is redirected to other site. itanimulli is illuminati backwards. try it just for the fun :D

[NewFounderHome]

This 911 subject is interesting, let's start with the Pentagon. If we take a look at the specs of a Boeing 757 wing span http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757...f_200tech.html or even the height of the plane’s tail and then we ask ourselves why there isn’t any plane parts outside the building. There is a lot of structure in a wing and where not talking about the sheet metal, the tanks the wiring, the hydraulics and so much more. One question, where did they find the motors? Where did they find the landing gears? How do we make disappear all the mass material of all the structure? How do we make disappear Aluminum, steel, chrome, Inconel? We can apply these questions to the Pentagon and more sites of that sad, very sad day. But I invite everybody to answer, how do we make disappear a Boeing 757 with a wing span of 124 ft 10 in by 44 ft 6 in and melt or make disappear these materials.

[toad]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
An Airline Pilot With 30 Years of Service Stated It would have taken him 10 Times to Perform This Perfect Maneuver, striking The Pentagon With This Perfect Precision! The So-Called Pilot from The Pentagon Attack, couldn't even fly a small Cessna Plane, let alone a 757. Hope This Helps Your Investigation! PS Where was The Landing Gear, Engines, Seats, Wings and last not least Passengers??????

Apparently they were very lightly trained, with the dead set objective to smash a plane into the Pentagon. Freak actions occur daily that professionals could not reenact without numerous failures, this to me says lil about the events on that day.

If you actually seek pictures of that day there are quite a few of the remnants of those particular parts of that plane. I'm almost reluctant to even post them cause they will immediately be dismissed as fake or planted or whatever else. It seems as though certain folks(and I'm in no way speaking about anyone in this thread in particular) are dead set on believing certain theories,. and will stop at nothing to dismiss the official idea.

One thing I'd like to ask those who do not believe there were planes involved in not only the Pentagon crash, but all of them involved, and I can only assume if you think a missile hit the Pentagon I may as well assume you believe there were no planes involved what so ever. What happen to all the people aboard those planes?

[Guaxini]

Posted by toad (here)

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
An Airline Pilot With 30 Years of Service Stated It would have taken him 10 Times to Perform This Perfect Maneuver, striking The Pentagon With This Perfect Precision! The So-Called Pilot from The Pentagon Attack, couldn't even fly a small Cessna Plane, let alone a 757. Hope This Helps Your Investigation! PS Where was The Landing Gear, Engines, Seats, Wings and last not least Passengers??????

Apparently they were very lightly trained, with the dead set objective to smash a plane into the Pentagon. Freak actions occur daily that professionals could not reenact without numerous failures, this to me says lil about the events on that day.

If you actually seek pictures of that day there are quite a few of the remnants of those particular parts of that plane. I'm almost reluctant to even post them cause they will immediately be dismissed as fake or planted or whatever else. It seems as though certain folks(and I'm in no way speaking about anyone in this thread in particular) are dead set on believing certain theories,. and will stop at nothing to dismiss the official idea.

One thing I'd like to ask those who do not believe there were planes involved in not only the Pentagon crash, but all of them involved, and I can only assume if you think a missile hit the Pentagon I may as well assume you believe there were no planes involved what so ever. What happen to all the people aboard those planes?

no idea. where are the black boxes on the 93, or the one that crashed in to the pentagon?

[DouglasDanger]

Posted by toad (here)

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
An Airline Pilot With 30 Years of Service Stated It would have taken him 10 Times to Perform This Perfect Maneuver, striking The Pentagon With This Perfect Precision! The So-Called Pilot from The Pentagon Attack, couldn't even fly a small Cessna Plane, let alone a 757. Hope This Helps Your Investigation! PS Where was The Landing Gear, Engines, Seats, Wings and last not least Passengers??????

Apparently they were very lightly trained, with the dead set objective to smash a plane into the Pentagon. Freak actions occur daily that professionals could not reenact without numerous failures, this to me says lil about the events on that day.

If you actually seek pictures of that day there are quite a few of the remnants of those particular parts of that plane. I'm almost reluctant to even post them cause they will immediately be dismissed as fake or planted or whatever else. It seems as though certain folks(and I'm in no way speaking about anyone in this thread in particular) are dead set on believing certain theories,. and will stop at nothing to dismiss the official idea.

One thing I'd like to ask those who do not believe there were planes involved in not only the Pentagon crash, but all of them involved, and I can only assume if you think a missile hit the Pentagon I may as well assume you believe there were no planes involved what so ever. What happen to all the people aboard those planes?

grain of salt needed but think about this....
When there is a mock exercise running at the same time it is easy to asssume what happened.. plane one was on target,( tower 1) plane 2 had its terrorist flunkies chicken out and arrive at its destination fine ( intended for tower 2, remote plane intended for exercise diverted to take its place), plane three was shot down as the pilot terroist flunkie had no clue how to fly and the passengers where regaining control, (building 7 had no remote plane for it so they brought it down with the excuse of fire).. this leaves the last one for the pentagon, as witness have said, they heard and saw a big plane low over the rooftops but not on the same tragectery as what hit the pentagon, if you where to get a missile by so it does not turn up on radar ( where its fired from what etc) would you not, if your an intellegent villan, have something shadow it to confuse radar towers on what it actually was?
either way it is plausable that any one of the planes could have been shot out of the air over the ocean buy those running the exercizes and the remote opperated excercize planes put in thier place and rammed into the buildings... this would put the dead passengers at the bottom of the ocean never to be found.

[mosquito]

Posted by toad (here)
One thing I'd like to ask those who do not believe there were planes involved in not only the Pentagon crash, but all of them involved, and I can only assume if you think a missile hit the Pentagon I may as well assume you believe there were no planes involved what so ever. What happen to all the people aboard those planes?

Some faulty logic there friend Toad !!!

We know that planes hit WTC 1 & 2 because we've all seen the footage. The FBI has impounded all footage of what hit the pentagon. Why ? If it's in the "interests of national security" to impound said footage, why is it not also in the "interests of national security" to grab all the video footage of the WTC crashes ?

[Franny]

A few thoughts and questions for the plane-hitting-the-Pentagon theorizers:

A 125 foot wide plane shaped object hit a NY tower and made a plane shaped, thoʻ much larger, hole in the building and occurs again a short time later. Both objects captured on film looking like planes too.

How does a 125 foot wide plane shaped object hit a building and leave a 16-18 foot round hole? Captured on lots of film but not shown.

Not the best analogy but remember the shape board toys that so many little kids play with? It has a star shaped opening and only a star shaped piece fits into it, a circle shaped opening and only a circle shaped piece fits into it, a rectangular shaped opening and only a rectangle shaped piece fits into it etc...

What would be the shape and type of an object that could fly thruʻ the air and leave a 16-18 foot round hole in a building such as the Pentagon with itʻs heavy reinforcement?

Said planeʻs wings and engines, which are much harder than the nose of the plane, did not touch the recently heavily-reinforced Pentagon. Had they done so there would have been huge damage, explosions and fire on the outside, but there was none. The Pentagon fire originated on the inside.

How does the fuel in the wings magically dissipate and the wings and very hard engines vaporize and disappear without touching the wall just as the relatively soft nose of the plane hits and pierces the it?

The soft nose pierces the Pentagon but the much harder wings/engines canʻt? Or is the building is too hard so they vaporize into nothingness -- without having touched it?

There are still YT clips of Donald Rumsfeld saying that a missile hit the Pentagon, then correcting himself and saying plane. Oops, wondered about that one...

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by toad (here)

Posted by Dig (here)

Posted by toad (here)

Posted by Dig (here)
Believe it or not it would take less people to fire a Missile then you expect. a plane could not penatrate the first ring and into the second unless it was carrying explosives, the fuel is carried in the wings and would not cause a huge gaping hole, the fuel would burn intensely and nobody could be around it for awhile and yet people were everywhere immediately afterword and in suits . I could go on but I will not argue the point further, keeping it simple applies to the theory but not to the Goverment.

Perhaps the only reason we see pictures of people in suits there 'immediately afterward' is because the fire was so hot no one was around to take photos until the heat had subsided? Why would the gov't or whoever is pulling these strings want to execute an overly complex scheme when they could accomplish the same thing with less. Launching a missile at the Pentagon would require more people to be involved then say if someone just paid some terrorists to hijack a plane and smash into the Pentagon. The black soot from smoke and flames seems to emanate quite aways away in each direction and seems to have been hot enough to leave quite a bit of residue. Missiles explode and do not normally burn, and to say a plane such as the one that could have very well hit the Pentagon is incapable of creating a huge gaping hole is quite ignorant. Almost as if their is some kind of conclusive evidence to support such a claim. We're making lots of assumptions here, but given the nature of this incident and the evidence we have, assumptions are about all we're left with.

“Ignorance” as you would like to mention, is believing in what the media has told you, not accepting inconsistencies in the story, and we still having this discussion.

I never said I didn't accept inconsistencies in the story, there are holes in just about every story. The events of this day were massive, and impacted us all deeply. I would expect such inconsistencies. I've never said anything about the media, but just cause they are the media doesn't mean they lie all day about everything. I'm highly skeptical in nature, I could careless what the media is telling me, I make judgments based on the things I see and the evidence I have in front of me. I used to believe this very same missile theory along time ago, but over time and after countless hours debating theories of all shapes and sizes, I just don't see it anymore, it makes lil sense, and the evidence. what lil of it there is, suggests otherwise to me.

Posted by modwiz (here)
Reading this thread only reinforces the concept of the Earth vibrating into two different dimensions for me. There truly does seem to be two very distinct kinds of humans. Each has quite a few variables, but I can see a bifurcation area. The demonstration of people who can look at the damage at the Pentagon and see two very different scenes is just stunning to me.

We are all very different, past experiences, the knowledge we attain threw out life all plays into the objective nature of humanity. This very subject, affected us all in so many ways, it is no surprise many of us feel very deeply about certain things regarding it.

I think we are on the same page Toad. Another great post.
I agrre that the media is very poor. 90% is controled by a small group of people. However, to think they lie about EVERYTHING is just not true. They lie lots. yes. But not about EVERYTHING. Again, we agree.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
An Airline Pilot With 30 Years of Service Stated It would have taken him 10 Times to Perform This Perfect Maneuver, striking The Pentagon With This Perfect Precision! The So-Called Pilot from The Pentagon Attack, couldn't even fly a small Cessna Plane, let alone a 757. Hope This Helps Your Investigation! PS Where was The Landing Gear, Engines, Seats, Wings and last not least Passengers??????

programmed auto pilot may be the answer here.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by NewFounderHome (here)
This 911 subject is interesting, let's start with the Pentagon. If we take a look at the specs of a Boeing 757 wing span http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757...f_200tech.html or even the height of the plane’s tail and then we ask ourselves why there isn’t any plane parts outside the building. There is a lot of structure in a wing and where not talking about the sheet metal, the tanks the wiring, the hydraulics and so much more. One question, where did they find the motors? Where did they find the landing gears? How do we make disappear all the mass material of all the structure? How do we make disappear Aluminum, steel, chrome, Inconel? We can apply these questions to the Pentagon and more sites of that sad, very sad day. But I invite everybody to answer, how do we make disappear a Boeing 757 with a wing span of 124 ft 10 in by 44 ft 6 in and melt or make disappear these materials.

Please read the links I have already posted earlier in this thread. You may have missed them.
They show motors and wreckage and explain the distribution of debris.
There is not much point bringing up the same questions when the answers have already been posted in the thread. We will all end up going in circles.
Perhaps a better form of moving this forward would be to look at the links / answers I have provided and disscuss them rather than reapeting the same questions.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

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Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
An Airline Pilot With 30 Years of Service Stated It would have taken him 10 Times to Perform This Perfect Maneuver, striking The Pentagon With This Perfect Precision! The So-Called Pilot from The Pentagon Attack, couldn't even fly a small Cessna Plane, let alone a 757. Hope This Helps Your Investigation! PS Where was The Landing Gear, Engines, Seats, Wings and last not least Passengers??????

Apparently they were very lightly trained, with the dead set objective to smash a plane into the Pentagon. Freak actions occur daily that professionals could not reenact without numerous failures, this to me says lil about the events on that day.

If you actually seek pictures of that day there are quite a few of the remnants of those particular parts of that plane. I'm almost reluctant to even post them cause they will immediately be dismissed as fake or planted or whatever else. It seems as though certain folks(and I'm in no way speaking about anyone in this thread in particular) are dead set on believing certain theories,. and will stop at nothing to dismiss the official idea.
[QUOTE]

This is spot on. I found it hard to admit I had been wrong regarding the pentagon but at the end of the day, its about truth right? I spent alot of time defending the missile idea but eventually had to admit I was wrong. Being wrong is a good thing as it elevates one to a new level of understanding.
At all costs, we must avoide confirmation bias in our judgement. Its poor science.
Admitting a plane hit the pentagon does NOT mean that therfore you have to beilve the offfical story. People need to realise that.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by latte (here)
A few thoughts and questions for the plane-hitting-the-Pentagon theorizers:

A 125 foot wide plane shaped object hit a NY tower and made a plane shaped, thoʻ much larger, hole in the building and occurs again a short time later. Both objects captured on film looking like planes too.

How does a 125 foot wide plane shaped object hit a building and leave a 16-18 foot round hole? Captured on lots of film but not shown.

This is in correct information that had been repeated for years. I too bought into it for a while.

Please read this:

http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon.html#p7EPMc1_6
and click on the "false claims v 9/11 truth" at the top right.
The missile and hole too small ideas are compleatly destroyed using nothing but observations.
The site above is a 9/11 truth site.

[Earlybird]

dont need a weather man to tell which way the wind blows-my two year nailed it " I can see the dark with my eyes closed"

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by mariposafe (here)
I like to think of myself as an open, questioning person, so I'm prepared to examine the evidence once again and look at the links Eyes wide open has provided.

Many thanks for taking the time to discuss this rather than ignore it.

Posted by mariposafe (here)

I I'd appreciate hearing from an experienced air crash investigator as to the likelihood of the vapourisation of the entire fuselage following a forward impact.

Well, in an earlier thread on this topic with regards to ground resistance of the jet, another member went to a pilots forum and asked them what their thoughts were.... They seem sure that the jet could have indeed made this flight path.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/forum/...howtopic=14058

They seem sure regarding the ground effects but are dismissive of truthers which is a shame.
After reasercjing other areas ground effect is not really a problem at high speeds.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

This graphic of the flight path and crash is also interesting as it also covers the footage.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdj...ayer_embedded#!

[araucaria]

Posted by Guaxini (here)
no it wasn't a lie, it happened xD china back then had major investments in banks based in the twin towers, and the euro was gettin to big i mean BIGGER then the dollar or other currency to keep up..what im trying to say is that someone crash the world economy and it all happen in the USA. OOOUH and of course blame the middle east the muslins lol serious? for what? oil?! sorry, sorry to bring peace and democracy sorry.. LOL face it you can't handle it.. the european crusades had their end long time ago, but after many centuries they are back. USA crusade in the XXI century A.C .


PS- GOD BLESS AMERICA..

Erm, I think I was still spending francs in 2001. The Euro didn't come into currency until 1st Jan 2002 as I recall...

[modwiz]

I hope the OP will indulge me in what I believe is a relevant tangent to this topic. It is a link to the very brilliant website of Gilad Atzmon. He has some deep insight to certain kinds of people that I believe applies to this thread and topic.
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/jona...ra-trolls.html

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
An Airline Pilot With 30 Years of Service Stated It would have taken him 10 Times to Perform This Perfect Maneuver, striking The Pentagon With This Perfect Precision! The So-Called Pilot from The Pentagon Attack, couldn't even fly a small Cessna Plane, let alone a 757. Hope This Helps Your Investigation! PS Where was The Landing Gear, Engines, Seats, Wings and last not least Passengers??????

programmed auto pilot may be the answer here.

Google Home Run.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=384CCzUKHtA

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by modwiz (here)
I hope the OP will indulge me in what I believe is a relevant tangent to this topic. It is a link to the very brilliant website of Gilad Atzmon. He has some deep insight to certain kinds of people that I believe applies to this thread and topic.
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/jona...ra-trolls.html

Dont really like what modwiz is suggesting.
Not that he will read this as he has me on ignore.
I would prefer modwiz says what he means rather than just imply it and also clarify who that link it aimed at.

Besides which, its totally off topic. What has internet trolling got to do with this discussion? Unless different opinions = internet trolling in the eyes of some. We have all been civil to each other have we not? Confused.